Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 29

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

duncan_idaho · 12-31-2014, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

There wasn't a better option than Alex, and one has yet to present itself imo. Hate that ****ing contract though...

Better? In terms of individual play? Probably not.

Better in terms of value and performance? I think you can make a good case for trading for Carson Palmer instead (lower draft pick cost, even if you bump it up to convince the Raiders to do it) or signing a Kyle Orton/Jason Campbell/Ryan Fitzpatrick type, instead.

You might get slightly lesser performance from the QB, but the lower cost in picks/salary adds quite a bit of value.

rabblerouser · 12-31-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Better? In terms of individual play? Probably not.

Better in terms of value and performance? I think you can make a good case for trading for Carson Palmer instead (lower draft pick cost, even if you bump it up to convince the Raiders to do it) or signing a Kyle Orton/Jason Campbell/Ryan Fitzpatrick type, instead.

You might get slightly lesser performance from the QB, but the lower cost in picks/salary adds quite a bit of value.

No.

None of those guys is even close to Smith in production or intangibles. Orton would have been the closest, but he tried to retire last year, retired this year...and I don't think he would have came back here anyway.

Something tells me he has less than stellar memories of his time in KC.

Call it a hunch.

And now I know why they call you 'Claynus.' It's because you post some truly stupid shit.

TheUte · 12-31-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Better? In terms of individual play? Probably not.

Better in terms of value and performance? I think you can make a good case for trading for Carson Palmer instead (lower draft pick cost, even if you bump it up to convince the Raiders to do it) or signing a Kyle Orton/Jason Campbell/Ryan Fitzpatrick type, instead.

You might get slightly lesser performance from the QB, but the lower cost in picks/salary adds quite a bit of value.

Yeah, I still don't get the trade. Chiefs could have signed him after Cryners cut him and been able to keep the 2 picks.

If you want to blame some one for the contract blame the Bear and Cutler, that screwed up the market for middle tier QB's.

Teams are paying way to much for QBs as a percentage of the total salary cap.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

No.

None of those guys is even close to Smith in production or intangibles. Orton would have been the closest, but he tried to retire last year, retired this year...and I don't think he would have came back here anyway.

Something tells me he has less than stellar memories of his time in KC.

Call it a hunch.

And now I know why they call you 'Claynus.' It's because you post some truly stupid shit.

Uhh...You missed on that one. Duncan is plugged in and very respected around here. He just shares an avatar with Claynus.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Better? In terms of individual play? Probably not.

Better in terms of value and performance? I think you can make a good case for trading for Carson Palmer instead (lower draft pick cost, even if you bump it up to convince the Raiders to do it) or signing a Kyle Orton/Jason Campbell/Ryan Fitzpatrick type, instead.

You might get slightly lesser performance from the QB, but the lower cost in picks/salary adds quite a bit of value.

Orton is the only one I could get behind, but he was clearly done and looking for an out. Alex can man that role until we find the right guy versus any old guy.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Just discovered something I hate more than the Alex is teh debbil brigade, . . . agreeing with Hootie.

**** all y'all in the ear.

I think I'm getting an ulcer.

Heh. Get used too it. You're pretty much spot on the same level as him regarding this topic. Consistently. YSN. Try and befriend him!

duncan_idaho · 12-31-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

No.

None of those guys is even close to Smith in production or intangibles. Orton would have been the closest, but he tried to retire last year, retired this year...and I don't think he would have came back here anyway.

Something tells me he has less than stellar memories of his time in KC.

Call it a hunch.

And now I know why they call you 'Claynus.' It's because you post some truly stupid shit.

You're incorrect about the production. Go look at the numbers of each of the guys I listed. Palmer was having a tremendous year before getting hurt and out-performing Smith in most of the key areas. Orton and Fitzpatrick also had very strong seasons. Fitz was a little better than Alex Smith (With a better 1-2 punch in Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins than Bowe and Kelce). Orton was a little worse (with Sammy Watkins and very little else around him).

"Intangibles" is the most overrated/overused buzzphrase in sports. The guys the media talk about having great intangibles or being great clubhouse guys rarely are (Mike Moustakas is a great example of this, actually). So I pay no real attention to the concept of "intangibles."

Oh, and no one calls me "Claynus," Your and idiot. Go look at the name next to my posts again.

Reerun_KC · 12-31-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

This, on offense.

On defense we worked miracles this year with scrubs and b/u players.

In no way can this season be blamed on the D.

We added ZERO talent in the passing game and allowed the O line to go to $#it this year...

This true. Teams shoved their dick down Sutton's throat running the ball. No need to pass.

See Oakland on Thursday night.

Reerun_KC · 12-31-2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Reid is either schizo, completely ****ing incompetent...or he is part of the fix. That SF game was so maddening - all you have to do is RUN THE BALL.

ASK FOR A MEASUREMENT.

CHALLENGE THE SPOT.

Reid was complicit in allowing SF to crawl back into that game.

**** Fat Andy.

All of this is Alex's fault. Reid gets a pass.

duncan_idaho · 12-31-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUte

Yeah, I still don't get the trade. Chiefs could have signed him after Cryners cut him and been able to keep the 2 picks.

If you want to blame some one for the contract blame the Bear and Cutler, that screwed up the market for middle tier QB's.

Teams are paying way to much for QBs as a percentage of the total salary cap.

I don't blame the Bears and Cutler. I blame the people who made the move. Not blaming them just because others did something stupid just doesn't cut it for me.

Marc Trestman didn't hold a gun to the heads of either Andy Reid or John Dorsey.

It was their choice to overpay to acquire Alex Smith and then their choice again to overpay Alex Smith in a contract extension.

rabblerouser · 12-31-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You're incorrect about the production. Go look at the numbers of each of the guys I listed. Palmer was having a tremendous year before getting hurt and out-performing Smith in most of the key areas. Orton and Fitzpatrick also had very strong seasons. Fitz was a little better than Alex Smith (With a better 1-2 punch in Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins than Bowe and Kelce). Orton was a little worse (with Sammy Watkins and very little else around him).

"Intangibles" is the most overrated/overused buzzphrase in sports. The guys the media talk about having great intangibles or being great clubhouse guys rarely are (Mike Moustakas is a great example of this, actually). So I pay no real attention to the concept of "intangibles."

Oh, and no one calls me "Claynus," Your and idiot. Go look at the name next to my posts again.

Palmer has Larry Fitzgerald and an Oline, and calling Johnson and Hopkins a 'better 1-2 punch than Bowe and Kelce' is like saying Montana was slightly better than Boomer Esiason in the 80s. Fitz had a WAY better supporting cast around him, and still wound up with the same record as Smith. Orton had those numbers BECAUSE they had no running game, and he retired rather than be Buffalo's starter and HE NEVER WOULD HAVE COME BACK HERE ANYWAY.

I don't care what your name is to me. You're Claynus 2 to me.

duncan_idaho · 12-31-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

Orton is the only one I could get behind, but he was clearly done and looking for an out. Alex can man that role until we find the right guy versus any old guy.

That's funny, because Orton has actually been the least successful of those guys.

Just go look at the stats here. I know I was surprised at how effective Fitz and Palmer were. And it's not like either one of those guys was given the keys to a Porsche offensively (though Fitzpatrick got the equivalent of a Dodge Charger).

rabblerouser · 12-31-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

All of this is Alex's fault. Reid gets a pass.

I've noticed.

rabblerouser · 12-31-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That's funny, because Orton has actually been the least successful of those guys.

Just go look at the stats here. I know I was surprised at how effective Fitz and Palmer were. And it's not like either one of those guys was given the keys to a Porsche offensively (though Fitzpatrick got the equivalent of a Dodge Charger).

Yet...

ORTON NEVER WOULD HAVE RESIGNED HERE.

TheUte · 12-31-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't blame the Bears and Cutler. I blame the people who made the move. Not blaming them just because others did something stupid just doesn't cut it for me.

Marc Trestman didn't hold a gun to the heads of either Andy Reid or John Dorsey.

It was their choice to overpay to acquire Alex Smith and then their choice again to overpay Alex Smith in a contract extension.

But can't you see how they would have over reacted to the signing of Cutler.

****, who gives Cutler 100 million bucks. That changed market for all most any starting QB.

I do agree with you though. I guess I'm just trying to understand why it happened.

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cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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