If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Who is this johnston guy? What round is he probably going to get picked

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=182224

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'd love to get Johnston sometime on the 2nd day.

Likewise, he would be a pretty good pickup.

[Chiefnj2]

IMHO, a 4-3 team will be better off with Harvey than Gholston. Gholston is a top 15 pick because of his workouts, not because of game film.

[El Jefe]

[QUOTE=Chiefnj2;4705503]IMHO, a 4-3 team will be better off with Harvey than Gholston. Gholston is a top 15 pick because of his workouts, not because of game film.[/QUOTE]

So his two sacks on Jake Long where he just destroyed Long really doesn't matter, I mean Jake long isn't very good right? Every one of his knocks have been posted in this thread about 10 times over. You can find negatives on any player out there. You act as if Gholston was some scrub who just went to the combine put up some good numbers and vaulted himself in the first round. If you didn't hear Gholstons name throughout the season then you either dont watch college football or dont listen to any talk radio. He isnt some flash in the pan.

[Chiefnj2]

[QUOTE=kcchiefsfanGoLJ;4705523]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

IMHO, a 4-3 team will be better off with Harvey than Gholston. Gholston is a top 15 pick because of his workouts, not because of game film.[/QUOTE]

So his two sacks on Jake Long where he just destroyed Long really doesn't matter, I mean Jake long isn't very good right? Every one of his knocks have been posted in this thread about 10 times over. You can find negatives on any player out there. You act as if Gholston was some scrub who just went to the combine put up some good numbers and vaulted himself in the first round. If you didn't hear Gholstons name throughout the season then you either dont watch college football or dont listen to any talk radio. He isnt some flash in the pan.

He had a great game against Long. No doubt about it. What about the last two championship games? The Illinois game? Other games where he disappeared against unknown players?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I want to know how Gholston's stock is elevated by those shitty teams he played against like Michigan and Wisconsin, where he had a combined 7 sacks.

Boy, those D-III programs really inflated his numbers.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I want to know how Gholston's stock is elevated by those shitty teams he played against like Michigan and Wisconsin, where he had a combined 7 sacks.

Boy, those D-III programs really inflated his numbers.

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[Chiefnj2]

newerascouting questions his consistency:

Additional Comments: Visually, there isn’t a doubt that Gholston is the most impressive player in the draft. He’s built incredibly strong and is a fast, pass rushing force. Dig a little deeper, though, and you find a player who is somewhat one-dimensional. During his final season, Gholston only registered 15.5 tackles for a loss with eight coming in two games (Wisconsin, Michigan). Gholston needs to become more consistent. He’ll struggle against the run and doesn’t always pursue when the play is far away. He’s shown the ability to be either a 4-3 end or a 3-4 rush linebacker. He’s fast off the snap and agile. He’s also shown the ability to drop back in coverage, but it shouldn’t be considered too much of an asset.

[Chiefnj2]

The Sporting News' breakdown of Gholston when the college season ended and before workouts:

War Room analysis
Against the run: Shows flashes of being a solid run stuffer, but is inconsistent and gets swallowed up by big blockers. Struggles to maintain leverage on the corner; seems to only want to rush upfield. Takes plays off. Must get stronger. Grade: 6.0

Pass rush: Has NFL speed. Gets upfield in a hurry to disrupt the pocket. Shows a variety of pass-rush moves that rely on agility, but will not be able to bull rush many NFL linemen. Grade: 8.0

Initial quickness: When focused, shows explosive quickness off the snap; is inconsistent, though. When opponents run at him play after play, seems to slow down by the fourth quarter. After initial move, tends to go half-speed. Grade: 7.5

Run/pass recognition: Seems locked in on pass rush, and is slow to react to runs. Rarely moves well laterally to chase plays, laboring down the line unless ballcarrier comes back to him. Even when keying on the run, struggles to help much and will blow containment assignments. Grade: 6.0

Pursuit/tackling: Is biggest area of concern. Is slow in pursuit, and does not hustle to the opposite sideline. When focused, was a dominant college player; however, he often disappeared in games. Is a good tackler when playing hard, but is inconsistent. Grade: 6.0

Bottom line: Gholston could fit in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme and has the size and speed to be productive at defensive end, defensive tackle or rush linebacker. A dynamic athlete, Gholston can dominate some games and disappear totally in others. Many NFL teams will be wary of his inconsistent effort and focus. He is sure to wow GMs and coaches in pre-draft workouts, so some team surely will draft him much higher than his on-field production warrants. Gholston should be used only as a pass-rush specialist for a year or two as he develops

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So, which player will The Sporting News select to go in the first round this year who won't even be drafted?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

And any scouting report that says Vernon Gholston could play D-Tackle should be burned and then pissed on.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Is it possible that most people want to go for Chris Long because they feel he's simply better? Just curious.

That seems to be the word from a lot of analysis. Now before I get the "those draft experts don't know shit" common blast, I will say that I would take their word over any BB poster.

It mean it is their job to research this stuff 24 - 7.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I don't have any tape to form my own opinion on. I watch a lot of college football to. But Ohio State is not one of the teams I enjoy watching, so I usually watch another game instead. And I am cool with you OTW58.

Being in the Columbus area, O$U was on the tube every game (have Direct TV) and Gholston did hide at times in games....

Originally Posted by suds79

Is it possible that most people want to go for Chris Long because they feel he's simply better? Just curious.

That seems to be the word from a lot of analysis. Now before I get the "those draft experts don't know shit" common blast, I will say that I would take their word over any BB poster.

It mean it is their job to research this stuff 24 - 7.

Exactly, and most of the time they are former players.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Being in the Columbus area, O$U was on the tube every game (have Direct TV) and Gholston did hide at times in games....

Well what do you know.

So did Jared Allen, yet everyone thinks he's the greatest ****ing player to ever wear a pair of cleats.

I'd be willing to bet that if you had tape of each of Chris Long's games, there would be some that he was gameplanned for and didn't have a great game, or just flat out had a down game.

It happens.

Some of you guys are acting like he's a lazy ass Ryan Sims type.