Chiefs I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley - Page 6

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-22-2011, 07:23 AM

I like Haley. I don't like his offensive coordinator. I wonder if he can get a good offensive coordinator that he can work with.

I think Cassel is a decent QB that has a crappy line, a limited running game, and has had five OC's in four years.

Not exactly the winning formulat for a QB.

I expect that Cassel will be back next year. I think the Chiefs will quit as they go down the stretch. It is one thing to continue to play hard when you weren't expected to do anything.

But, they won the division last year. Then, they went 0-3 and lost three of their best young players. Only to come back to lead the division.... to then lose three straight games and the starting QB.

I expect them to play hard Sunday Night because it is a Prime Time game.... but after that, I will not be surprised to see them start to play a little less hard each week.

If that happens, Haley is gone. I still expect Cassel to be here.

GloryDayz · 11-22-2011, 07:26 AM

Clark got to the office early this morning in Fiji and is looking into alternatives to make his team better...

**the Talking Can** · 11-22-2011, 07:58 AM

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Clark got to the office early this morning in Fiji and is looking into alternatives to make his team better...

with giant transvestites?

**The Bad Guy** · 11-22-2011, 07:27 AM

I don't want another hotshot flavor of the minute coordinator.

Rob Ryan might be different though. Has ties to Pioli. He's been successful more than 3 months.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-22-2011, 07:28 AM

The responsibility of the HC is to hire a capable staff. Haley needs to go simply based on the fact that he can't get along with anyone offensively.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-22-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The responsibility of the HC is to hire a capable staff. Haley needs to go simply based on the fact that he can't get along with anyone offensively.

This is a great point.

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The responsibility of the HC is to hire a capable staff. Haley needs to go simply based on the fact that he can't get along with anyone offensively.

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-22-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.

Haley ran off Weis, a competent coordinator. Haley couldn't work with Gailey. I don't think that Gailey had any ties to Pioli, though I could be wrong.

Haley has picked a yes man to be his coordinator. That doesn't seem like Pioli's handpicked guy.

I think Haley has to grow up a little and be confident enough to work with other competent coaches.

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Haley ran off Weis, a competent coordinator. Haley couldn't work with Gailey. I don't think that Gailey had any ties to Pioli, though I could be wrong.

Haley has picked a yes man to be his coordinator. That doesn't seem like Pioli's handpicked guy.

I think Haley has to grow up a little and be confident enough to work with other competent coaches.

Weis LEFT. How many times does that have to be said? Weis went to coach his son and look how that turned out.

Haley should have never had to work with Gailey AT ALL. The whole coaching staff should have been gone, period. Clark Hunt asked Haley to give Gailey a chance and he did. Haley should have told Hunt no and been done with it. As it is, Haley takes the bullet for Hunt's loyalty to stupidity.

I think Haley needs to be fired.

That way we can bring in Josh McDaniels to hold Cassel's hand AGAIN and he can fail, AGAIN.

Chiefnj2 · 11-22-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Weis LEFT. How many times does that have to be said? Weis went to coach his son and look how that turned out.

Haley should have never had to work with Gailey AT ALL. The whole coaching staff should have been gone, period. Clark Hunt asked Haley to give Gailey a chance and he did. Haley should have told Hunt no and been done with it. As it is, Haley takes the bullet for Hunt's loyalty to stupidity.

I think Haley needs to be fired.

That way we can bring in Josh McDaniels to hold Cassel's hand AGAIN and he can fail, AGAIN.

Weis' son is an undergrad waterboy on the team. Weis isn't coaching him. Weis and Haley couldn't co-exist because they both have brash, f you personalities.

dallaschiefsfan · 11-22-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The offensive "staff" has Pioli's fingerprints all over it.

Don't get me wrong, Haley shouldn't be "excused".

I think the whole lot of them need to go.

This. Pioli wants his head coach to fit a certain role on the team. If Haley began coaching as an "OC-first" head coach, things might have been different.

Some HC's are game-planners/managers (think Marty). Others are coordinators that hire other coaches that excel as planners/managers (think McCarthy). Still others are team-assemblers that manage the pieces, but are generally hands off (think Vermeil). Each type has won championships.

It seems to me that Pioli wants Haley to be the first type...because that seems to fit the Parcells/Belichick mold. This is wrong-headed. Haley should be calling plays with a staff that can competently game-plan and manage. If Mellinger is correct, I hope last night is the beginning of the end of Muir as OC.

IMO, the biggest cause for Haley's deficiencies in his first year while calling the plays was that he was also expected to game plan/manage the team as well...with a below-average QB while also installing a post-Gailey offense. This entire approach to what a HC should do has never played to Haley's strengths, IMO.

htismaqe · 11-22-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

This. Pioli wants his head coach to fit a certain role on the team. If Haley began coaching as an "OC-first" head coach, things might have been different.

Some HC's are game-planners/managers (think Marty). Others are coordinators that hire other coaches that excel as planners/managers (think McCarthy). Still others are team-assemblers that manage the pieces, but are generally hands off (think Vermeil). Each type has won championships.

It seems to me that Pioli wants Haley to be the first type...because that seems to fit the Parcells/Belichick mold. This is wrong-headed. Haley should be calling plays with a staff that can competently game-plan and manage. If Mellinger is correct, I hope last night is the beginning of the end of Muir as OC.

IMO, the biggest cause for Haley's deficiencies in his first year while calling the plays was that he was also expected to game plan/manage the team as well...with a below-average QB while also installing a post-Gailey offense. This entire approach to what a HC should do has never played to Haley's strengths, IMO.

I honestly think last year's "success" was more about Weis' HEAD COACHING experience than about Weis' playcalling "genious".

dallaschiefsfan · 11-22-2011, 09:19 AM

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I honestly think last year's "success" was more about Weis' HEAD COACHING experience than about Weis' playcalling "genious".

Probably. Or the fact that Haley had some competent game planning/managing coordinators that worked well together. Personally, I don't think we see a dropoff with Haley as OC. But we lose any advantage we have with Haley as OC if he's expected to game plan the whole team. That's simply not his strength. He played the role ADEQUATELY last year and was exposed in the playoffs (not that Cassell wasn't a huge part of that as well).

This team needs a solid group of planners/managers on the coaching staff (not Muir types!) that allow Haley to lead from his strengths as OC and motivator. If Haley truly has 100% control of coach hiring, then that's on him. I suspect Pioli has more control than what's reported.

memyselfI · 11-22-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The responsibility of the HC is to hire a capable staff. Haley needs to go simply based on the fact that he can't get along with anyone offensively.

I'm not sure there are any good ones out there who would want to work with him. I agree with you.

Deberg_1990 · 11-22-2011, 07:38 AM

I actually thought Haley was coaching last night better than he has in alot of games this year, meaning he was back to his old agressive ways. Isnt that what alot of fans liked about him? Alot of critisism of him this season was that he has gone soft. Mellinger was saying that he took over playcalling duties last night as well.

11-22-2011, 07:23 AM	#1
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	I like Haley. I don't like his offensive coordinator. I wonder if he can get a good offensive coordinator that he can work with. I think Cassel is a decent QB that has a crappy line, a limited running game, and has had five OC's in four years. Not exactly the winning formulat for a QB. I expect that Cassel will be back next year. I think the Chiefs will quit as they go down the stretch. It is one thing to continue to play hard when you weren't expected to do anything. But, they won the division last year. Then, they went 0-3 and lost three of their best young players. Only to come back to lead the division.... to then lose three straight games and the starting QB. I expect them to play hard Sunday Night because it is a Prime Time game.... but after that, I will not be surprised to see them start to play a little less hard each week. If that happens, Haley is gone. I still expect Cassel to be here. __________________ A bad day at the gym is better than a good day on the Couch.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $104454	I actually thought Haley was coaching last night better than he has in alot of games this year, meaning he was back to his old agressive ways. Isnt that what alot of fans liked about him? Alot of critisism of him this season was that he has gone soft. Mellinger was saying that he took over playcalling duties last night as well.
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