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Old 10-13-2008, 06:31 PM  
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So are you willing to give Herm and Carl a "Do over" ?
Just curious....

Maybe if the Chiefs had drafted a decent QB like Ryan, things might be different.

Look at how quickly Atlanta and Miami have turned things around.

Can Herm and Carl learn from their mistakes?? Would you be down with that, or reject it?
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:11 PM   #91
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There's going to be alot of weird defenses when Ryan is brought up because when we discussed him even acknowledge he'd likely go before us there still a good majority that didn't want him even if he fell so they look kinda stupid right now.
No, Jeff. They don't look stupid.

You keep glossing over a simple set of facts.

Matt Ryan has looked decent because:

He has a solid OL, strong running game, WR that can get open, and a coaching staff that hasn't handcuffed him.

He would have had NONE of those things in KC, and it would have been reeruned to spend that pick/money on a guy your setting up to fail from Day One.

Your argument about ruining other draft picks is reeruned - bad coaching isn't going to ruin a DT. Or even a CB. Those guys can get by on instincts alone if need be.

It is absolutely neccessary for a rookie QB to have solid coaching from the day they enter the league. Show me the last rookie QB to perform well in spite of shitty coaching...
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:11 PM   #92
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Regardless the dude wouldnt be worth a shit by the time Herm and Curl got done developing him...

Its better for Ryan this way... At least now he has a chance, with us = zero chance of surviving... At least he wont be mentally reeruned when his playing career is over... More than I can say for Herm and Curl...
So why are we fans of this team? I think that's the real question if we really believe they'll just **** everything up and ruin all the players what are we doing?
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:11 PM   #93
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Why would Denver want him?




Nevermind. I don't what to have to explain the subtle attempt at humor all night. Just forget I tried and move on please.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:11 PM   #94
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I think that was all smokescreen if he had fallen the Chiefs were going to try to move out with say Baltimore.

Most of this fanbase didn't want a QB either, it's kinda sad.
Well the fanbase has been so brainwashed about he crusty savy proven vet QB that we have always pranced through arrowhead...

They cant see past 9-7 and noise in the playoffs....

Your right is it very sad......
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:12 PM   #95
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Nevermind. I don't what to have to explain the subtle attempt at humor all night. Just forget I tried and move on please.
Crap, I sorry, I missed that humor...

Please forgive...
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:13 PM   #96
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Before the draft the Chiefs went to see the guy workout in person and seemed to like him alot.

I wish they would have tried harder to move up when the Rams passed on him.


Move up to where?

We would have had to trade WITH the Rams to get ahead of Atlanta.

And as pointed out, the compensation would have been ridiculous.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:13 PM   #97
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No, Jeff. They don't look stupid.

You keep glossing over a simple set of facts.

Matt Ryan has looked decent because:

He has a solid OL, strong running game, WR that can get open, and a coaching staff that hasn't handcuffed him.

He would have had NONE of those things in KC, and it would have been reeruned to spend that pick/money on a guy your setting up to fail from Day One.

Your argument about ruining other draft picks is reeruned - bad coaching isn't going to ruin a DT. Or even a CB. Those guys can get by on instincts alone if need be.

It is absolutely neccessary for a rookie QB to have solid coaching from the day they enter the league. Show me the last rookie QB to perform well in spite of shitty coaching...
This goes way way deeper than that, coaching doesn't change a guys mentality. Matt Ryan has something that is rare, he doesn't remotely look like a guy who's started 6 games. That goes way deeper than anything surrounding him..

Also the Falcons won 3 games last year and sometimes these arguments make it sound like he's on a team with alot of talent so he just steps in and is fine. This is Atlanta...they have 1 good WR and a RB, and a bunch of no name lineman.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:14 PM   #98
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So why are we fans of this team? I think that's the real question if we really believe they'll just **** everything up and ruin all the players what are we doing?
I think we are fans of this team for several reasons... Mostly because this is what we have grown up with...

Second, we are fans of this team because we want to know what it is like to be free from the bonds of mediocrity, stupidity and Carl. We have suffered enough, the day Carl and Herm are removed, it will feel like we have won the superbowl or even better...

I dont want to give up my fanhood, I want to be there when it all goes down and we can rejoice in freedom...
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:15 PM   #99
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So why are we fans of this team? I think that's the real question if we really believe they'll just **** everything up and ruin all the players what are we doing?
Who said anything about ruining ALL the players?

I'm not worried about the other positions, I'm worried about the QB position.

No OL + no running game + WR's that can't get open + Herm/Dick Curl = FAILURE.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:16 PM   #100
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Exactly.

And again, RYAN WASN'T AVAILABLE TO US.

Why is that so hard for people to comprehend?
I guess somebody wanted to trade up.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:16 PM   #101
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This goes way way deeper than that, coaching doesn't change a guys mentality. Matt Ryan has something that is rare, he doesn't remotely look like a guy who's started 6 games. That goes way deeper than anything surrounding him..

Also the Falcons won 3 games last year and sometimes these arguments make it sound like he's on a team with alot of talent so he just steps in and is fine. This is Atlanta...they have 1 good WR and a RB, and a bunch of no name lineman.
This is practically almost the same team as last year, except with a few additions and subtractions, and they already have matched their total win mark in 6 games already.

Why is that? Is it maybe that they have a solid coaching staff?
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Who said anything about ruining ALL the players?

I'm not worried about the other positions, I'm worried about the QB position.

No OL + no running game + WR's that can't get open + Herm/Dick Curl = FAILURE.
Does this mean if no one is fired after this year we shouldn't take a QB?
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:16 PM   #103
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No OL + no running game + WR's that can't get open + Herm/Dick Curl = FAILURE.
QFT, regardless of whom is behind center, this recipe is shit, complete hammered dog shit!
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Does this mean if no one is fired after this year we shouldn't take a QB?
That is exactly what it means Mecca.... You cant take a talented QB in the first round and surround him with total incompatence and expect him to succeed, let alone physically survive in the NFL...
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That is exactly what it means Mecca.... You cant take a talented QB in the first round and surround him with total incompatence and expect him to succeed, let alone physically survive in the NFL...
I should apparently start drinking....and drinking heavily.
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