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**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Either way, Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

Really? Are you kidding me?

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. How many of those teams even had a Pro Bowl tackle, let alone a "franchise" guy?

And how many of those teams had a great pass rusher?

Coach · 08-17-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Are you kidding me?

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. How many of those teams even had a Pro Bowl tackle, let alone a "franchise" guy?

And how many of those teams had a great pass rusher?

Super Bowl XXXIV - Rams - Orlando Pace - Won
Super Bowl XXXV - Ravens - Jonathan Ogden - Won
Super Bowl XXXVI - Patriots - Matt Light - Won. Note: Rams - Orlando Pace also played.
Super Bowl XXXVII - Raiders/Bucs - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XXXIX - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XL - Seahawks - Walter Jones - Lost.
Super Bowl XLI - Colts/Bears - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XLII - Patriots - Matt Light - Lost.
Super Bowl XLIII - Steelers/Cards - Max Starks.

Now some guys you may disagree that they are a "Franchise" LT, but the fact that the Patriots have kept Matt Light all that time, tells me that they value the guy.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Super Bowl XXXIV - Rams - Orlando Pace - Won
Super Bowl XXXV - Ravens - Jonathan Ogden - Won
Super Bowl XXXVI - Patriots - Matt Light - Won. Note: Rams - Orlando Pace also played.
Super Bowl XXXVII - Raiders/Bucs - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XXXIX - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XL - Seahawks - Walter Jones - Lost.
Super Bowl XLI - Colts/Bears - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XLII - Patriots - Matt Light - Lost.
Super Bowl XLIII - Steelers/Cards - Max Starks.

Now some guys you may disagree that they are a "Franchise" LT, but the fact that the Patriots have kept Matt Light all that time, tells me that they value the guy.

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

The Patriots didn't build their team or offensive line around Matt Light.

RedThat · 08-17-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

Coach · 08-17-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

The Patriots didn't build their team or offensive line around Matt Light.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess Jonathan Odgen isn't considered a "Franchise" LT in your own words?

Oh, and check your facts. Matt Light was a 2nd rounder, 48th pick overall.

Coogs · 08-17-2009, 08:57 PM

In the long run, I am a Chiefs fan. The team will be rebuilt, and IMO be rebuilt to championship form in the near future. That required CP and his cronies being shipped out. And that required the likes of an empty stadium that only comes from a 2-14 type team. To quote Herm... "It'll be OK!"

sedated · 08-17-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

Coach · 08-17-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

May I remind you that Jordan Black was once our starting LT, and our offense was considered one of the worst offense in the NFL?

I-65 is open for oncoming traffic.

May I also remind you that Damion McGinatosh was once the LT of this team, and he got abused more than a hooker got abused from her pimp?

First I think Albert is really good. He had one penalty last year. How many sacks has he allowed last year? 2? And he was only a rookie.

RedThat · 08-17-2009, 08:41 PM

So far I have to admit, Minnesota has got the best end out of the deal.

The way I see it,

Charles=slipping on depth chart, no good

Morgan=slipping on depth chart, also no good

Our hope so far is Albert. Played well his first season. Can he be a probowler? thats the key, if he can do that, this trade will workout for both sides. If not, then Minny wins this deal. I like Albert and I think he is gonna need 3 years to develop. it takes time for LTs to come in and develop into really good players. So I think only time will tell. But I think Albert has a way to go before we can label him as a future probowl LT.

*Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if alot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations. Shouldn't be that way. It should be the opposite. I wish they treated it like the real world where youre at your job and the managers of the company have the authority to decide what they want to do with you. If you don't like your position within the company, or whatever it is? Too bad..We own you, and if you don't like it theres the door!

It sucks. We witness it all the time. Gonzo was an example. We had two really good pieces in place, and got rid of them because they wanted out. So now were forced to build over again! Oh well.

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

*Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if alot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations. Shouldn't be that way. It should be the opposite. I wish they treated it like the real world where youre at your job and the managers of the company have the authority to decide what they want to do with you. If you don't like your position within the company, or whatever it is? Too bad..We own you, and if you don't like it theres the door!

I think we can blame Herm. We all know he got himself quite a bit of power over personnel moves, and pushed for the trade so he could have his "one glorious draft". His possible saving grace. Look how that turned out. Most of his players aren't doing so well.

Also, the league creates the players authority. Teams have let it be known that if a player is a workplace cancer, they do not care as long as it gives them a chance at a Superbowl. How many fields of work do you know of that don't care about bad references on your work history?

ClevelandBronco · 08-18-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

...Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if a lot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations...

Jay Cutler.

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 08:45 PM

Personally, I think the most important pieces for the Chiefs to add in next years draft will be a STUD pass rushing OLB and a stud NT.

Next, a legit #2 WR.

Followed by Olineman and LB's for everyone!

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-17-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Personally, I think the most important pieces for the Chiefs to add in next years draft will be a STUD pass rushing OLB and a stud NT.

Next, a legit #2 WR.

Followed by Olineman and LB's for everyone!

They're going to need to add those guys anyway and in any order possible. There are just far too many holes on this team for them to compete for a playoff spot and won't until they have them filled.

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 09:01 PM

A decent LT will suffice. Doesn't need to be all world. We all know defense wins championships, and a stud DE is the most important part of a stud defense. I'm done arguing, not wasting my time.

aturnis · 08-17-2009, 09:02 PM

More than 2 I believe.

08-17-2009, 08:57 PM	#6
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2275651	In the long run, I am a Chiefs fan. The team will be rebuilt, and IMO be rebuilt to championship form in the near future. That required CP and his cronies being shipped out. And that required the likes of an empty stadium that only comes from a 2-14 type team. To quote Herm... "It'll be OK!"
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08-17-2009, 08:41 PM	#9
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	So far I have to admit, Minnesota has got the best end out of the deal. The way I see it, Charles=slipping on depth chart, no good Morgan=slipping on depth chart, also no good Our hope so far is Albert. Played well his first season. Can he be a probowler? thats the key, if he can do that, this trade will workout for both sides. If not, then Minny wins this deal. I like Albert and I think he is gonna need 3 years to develop. it takes time for LTs to come in and develop into really good players. So I think only time will tell. But I think Albert has a way to go before we can label him as a future probowl LT. *Can we blame Carl for this move? Absolutely not. Unfair to Carl. Allen wanted to leave, what else could Carl do? This is the thing that really bothers me about professional sports, it seems as if alot of times players have more authority and control over managers in organizations. Shouldn't be that way. It should be the opposite. I wish they treated it like the real world where youre at your job and the managers of the company have the authority to decide what they want to do with you. If you don't like your position within the company, or whatever it is? Too bad..We own you, and if you don't like it theres the door! It sucks. We witness it all the time. Gonzo was an example. We had two really good pieces in place, and got rid of them because they wanted out. So now were forced to build over again! Oh well.
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08-17-2009, 08:45 PM	#12
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	Personally, I think the most important pieces for the Chiefs to add in next years draft will be a STUD pass rushing OLB and a stud NT. Next, a legit #2 WR. Followed by Olineman and LB's for everyone!
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08-17-2009, 09:01 PM	#14
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	A decent LT will suffice. Doesn't need to be all world. We all know defense wins championships, and a stud DE is the most important part of a stud defense. I'm done arguing, not wasting my time.
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08-17-2009, 09:02 PM	#15
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	More than 2 I believe.
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