Chiefs I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. - Page 7

Chris Meck · 03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

bdeg · 03-06-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Justin Tuck bounced around too and hes a good player. Your making up excuses for Mcbride you can't cover up medicority. Mcbride sucks, Hali sucks, Tyler sucks, The whole D-line sucks. This is like when the fans said the only reason Gunther sucked was because he didn't have his own coaches

Did I ever say Turk made a good 4-3 end? No, I said he shouldn't be playing there. Justin Tuck has natural skills and speed and didn't need to learn as much. Turk has never been given a chance to learn his natural position. But a 3-4 end is a lot closer to it than a 4-3 end, so I expect improvement.

RustShack · 03-06-2009, 01:42 PM

You can draft NT's... they don't have to come through FA. To say we can't switch to a 3-4 because we haven't signed a NT yet when FA isn't over and the draft hasn't started is hooey.

Hydrae · 03-06-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

have you got laid yet?

Obviously not, he is wound tight and taking it out on anyone on the board with a different opinion than his own. Some day he may learn post coital relaxation but not yet.

htismaqe · 03-06-2009, 01:46 PM

Everybody sucks! Everybody sucks! Everybody sucks!

Wow, this is easy. Doesn't take any thought at all.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Everybody sucks! Everybody sucks! Everybody sucks!

Finally, insight.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I don't exactly consider you "sane."

You going to take my bet or not?

I already responded.

I don't consider you to be anything but a whiny a$$ed pencil necked geek.

I am not going to say I am always right, but I have a feeling that my opinion is based on far more real life experience.

Frankly, I find your opinion on football to be as credible as any tips on sex you might want to post. I am pretty sure I have far more experience and skill in both areas.

DeepSouth · 03-06-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

Obviously not, he is wound tight and taking it out on anyone on the board with a different opinion than his own. Some day he may learn post coital relaxation but not yet.

Maybe he finally picked one of those chicks and the one he picked ended up having a bigger dick than his ?

**Smed1065** · 03-06-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Maybe he finally picked one of those chicks and the one he picked ended up having a bigger dick than his ?

Yes, but he did not know it was just her clit and ran off!

**Skip Towne** · 03-06-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Wow, someone who I think is clueless, who has obviously never played or coached football, thinks that I am the dumbest fan on this board.

Oh, however will I sleep tonight.

Claythan, like many others on this board, is a self appointed expert.

FAX · 03-06-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

I think Pioli & Haley see that this was a 2-14 team last year. They're going to be afraid to run the system they believe in because of picks in the past. That's just my guess. ...

Very truthy, Mr. suds79. Very, very truthy.

FAX

EyePod · 03-06-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

He was also at LDE. That's generally the run stopping DE (at least more than the LDE). I'm not saying he's any good, but you can't just look at sacks....

milkman · 03-07-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Everybody sucks! Everybody sucks! Everybody sucks!

Wow, this is easy. Doesn't take any thought at all.

You suck.

milkman · 03-07-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Justin Tuck bounced around too and hes a good player. Your making up excuses for Mcbride you can't cover up medicority. Mcbride sucks, Hali sucks, Tyler sucks, The whole D-line sucks. This is like when the fans said the only reason Gunther sucked was because he didn't have his own coaches

Actually, Tuck struggled quite a bit for his first two seasons while he was bouncing around, and fans considerd him a disappointment.

He, as many players do, got it by the start of his third season.

milkman · 03-07-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

He ran a similar 40 time to Suggs. Oh, AND he ran the 20 yard shuttle in 4.31 seconds. That is a stout time in that drill. It shows his quickness and initial burst.

Suggs and Hali is a perfect example of the reason that you can't put too much into the combines.

Everyone knew that Hali lacked speed, so his 40 time wasn't surprising.

Suggs, on the other hand, ran a disappointing time, given that he was seen as a player that was faster than his 40 time suggested.

Who knows why he ran it so slow, but on the football field he is faster than Hali.

Hali has a quick initial burst, but lacks closing speed.

As LDE against a normally less athletic RT (relative to LT), that initial burst is a weapon, and with Allen flushing QBs his direction, it allowed him to make plays as a pass rusher.

But against the more athletic LT, who has the quicker footwork to effectively neutralize Hali's initial burst, he was useless.

Putting him at OLB, regardless of side, will effectively neutralize that initial burst as well.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-07-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Suggs and Hali is a perfect example of the reason that you can't put too much into the combines.

Everyone knew that Hali lacked speed, so his 40 time wasn't surprising.

Suggs, on the other hand, ran a disappointing time, given that he was seen as a player that was faster than his 40 time suggested.

Who knows why he ran it so slow, but on the football field he is faster than Hali.

Hali has a quick initial burst, but lacks closing speed.

As LDE against a normally less athletic RT (relative to LT), that initial burst is a weapon, and with Allen flushing QBs his direction, it allowed him to make plays as a pass rusher.

But against the more athletic LT, who has the quicker footwork to effectively neutralize Hali's initial burst, he was useless.

Putting him at OLB, regardless of side, will effectively neutralize that initial burst as well.

Hali was good in coverage on zone blitzes. He has a good vertical, he has good initial burst, and most of the time he will be rushing the passer, not dropping back into coverage.

Most 3-4 defenses are played more like 5-2 defenses. Which is WHY I think drafting Curry is what will make this work.

With DJ and Curry, the Chiefs will have two very fast, very athletic linebackers that can cover sideline to sideline. The one difference is that Curry actually defeats blocks and tackles well. DJ will have to defeat fewer blocks in this scheme BECAUSE the defensive line isn't trying to rush upfield, just trying to tie up blockers.

The other part of the new scheme is that it will allow Pollard to drop down into the box more, again, a good fit for him.

I know that I am in the minority as far as Hali goes. I am cool with that. If I am right, then great. If I am wrong, I am going to catch it from EVERYONE.

Thems the breaks.

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1425090	I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. I really don't think we're going to a 3-4. I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him. We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot. We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky. We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for. We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby. I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any. I think people are grasping at straws.
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