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ChiefsFanatic · 09:36 AM

I think I need to hire a lawyer for my 16 year old son who got a speeding ticket for going 34 in a 20 school zone.

It is a church school that he didn't realize was a school, and on the description on the ticket, the officer clocked him before he was even 10 feet into the school zone. And he was sitting there waiting for a high school kid, because high school had just let out. I have literally driven down this road over 50,000 times in my life, at all times of day and year, and have never seen cop checking speed in this school zone.

The cop could have seen how nervous my son was, and been understanding about his lack of knowledge of the school, but he wasn't.

So, I need to hire a lawyer, and thought I would ask here first.

If you are not a lawyer, maybe you could recommend someone.

Thanks,

ChiefsFanatic

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-09-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Yes there was a sign, and my dumbass kid should have seen it, and slowed down. I do not dispute that in the least.

I think it was just a revenue grab, and not actual policing to make anything safer.

So, he wasn't speeding?

Again, is there any personal responsibility in your household, at all?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-09-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

My point is that, although he did speed in a school zone, it is not a public school, it is a church that happens to have a "school" but only looks like a church, and my son didn't realize that he was speeding.

You know, I've never heard so many excuses from someone claiming that they weren't making excuses.

You're pathetic.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-09-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Wow. Please don't send them my posts. Please.

You're on a public forum and you're not only insulting the Blue Springs Police, you're justifying speeding in a school zone by stating that it's "really not a school" and "he's just a kid", etc.

Then, someone with connections to the Blue Springs police force posts and you suddenly become a jellyfish.

JFC.

You really need to shut the **** up.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 10-09-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by God Of Thunder

fortuntely, im not a cop......but there is a lot of threatening tone when he calls all of BSPD 'dicks' and a few of my family works for them. Cops serve our country and deserve respect for putting their lives in danger for the small pay they recieve.

Have I sped? Yep. Have I been ticketed? Yep. Have I payed those tickets or have I asked my relatives to take care of them? I ****ing payed them......it was MY fault, and I need to own up to it.

Don't get me wrong man, I'm really not a cop hater. Overworked, under appreciated, and underpaid. I just really sensed a threatening tone in your post, and thought you were a cop as well. I hate that combination. I don't think him calling them dicks would constitute a threat but that's just my opinion. I don't really know. He was definitely venting. As far as cops not getting tickets, lol, we all know that's true. You seem like a pretty good guy, I apologize for flying off the handle. Abuse of power on any level is a strong issue for me. Particularly by folks we trust to protect and serve us.

God of Thunder · 10-09-2009, 11:23 PM

Hey man, no hard feelings, I sent him a PM saying that I would in no-way send them anything he had written. I understand that he was venting as was I when I was 'in my eyes' protecting some of my family members who serve with the police force.

**banyon** · 10-09-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

I've been pulled over for not signaling when i changed lanes. my drivers ed teacher said signaling was a courtesy.

my sister got a $50 ticker for having a tail light out...when she was turning into the auto parts store to replace the tail light.

Sedated, your driver's ed teacher was a moron:

(Kansas)

Chapter 8: Automobiles And Other Vehicles
Article 15: Uniform Act Regulating Traffic; Rules Of The Road
Statute 8-1548: Turning movements and required signals. (a) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety, nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided.
(b) A signal of intention to turn or move right or left when required shall be given continuously during not less than the last one hundred (100) feet traveled by the vehicle before turning.
(c) No person shall stop or suddenly decrease the speed of a vehicle without first giving an appropriate signal, in the manner provided herein, to the driver of any vehicle immediately to the rear when there is opportunity to give such signal.

(d) The signals required on vehicles by subsection (b) of K.S.A. 8-1549 shall not be flashed on one side only on a disabled vehicle, flashed as a courtesy or "do pass" signal to operators of other vehicles approaching from the rear, nor be flashed on one side only of a parked vehicle except as may be necessary for compliance with this section.

History: L. 1974, ch. 33, § 8-1548; July 1.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 10-09-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by God Of Thunder

Hey man, no hard feelings, I sent him a PM saying that I would in no-way send them anything he had written. I understand that he was venting as was I when I was 'in my eyes' protecting some of my family members who serve with the police force.

And that's totally understandable too. I would probably do the same thing in your situation. I just didn't want to see the guy get any real life grief for venting about it online. I'm glad it all worked itself out, and hopefully his kid will gain some positive lessons and experience from the whole thing.

JohninGpt · 10-09-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're on a public forum and you're not only insulting the Blue Springs Police, you're justifying speeding in a school zone by stating that it's "really not a school" and "he's just a kid", etc.

Then, someone with connections to the Blue Springs police force posts and you suddenly become a jellyfish.

JFC.

You really need to shut the **** up.

Eh, my kids won't be driving for a couple more years, but when they do, I know my insurance will probably double, and any ticket they get will further kill my rates. If I can schmooze them a fine, but avoid getting my rates jacked? It's a win/win.

**banyon** · 10-09-2009, 11:37 PM

I'm not a MO licensed Atty, which is what you would need, but it basically comes down to 2 choices, financial and moral.

As many in this thread have suggested, there is a moral concern with preventing escalating behavior and what lesson "getting out of this ticket" sends to your son. Does it make him think in 3 years you'll bail him out of a DUi? a 2nd DUI? That's on you, and i can't pretend to tell you how to handle that.

On the legal side, it's a petty ticket. I never dealt with Amending/diverting Blue Springs municipal courts tickets, but patteeu in the thread earlier was correct, that some KC area jurisdictions (particularly in Johnson county) have 2 sets of rules 1 for those with attys and one for those without. If Blue Springs is like that then you may want to investigate that. Many jurisdictions will not divert or amend on school zone tickets some will just charge you double.

If they will amend or divert, it comes down to a financial calculation between the projected expense of the diversion/amendment and the amount your kids insurance rates will go up for the next few years should he receive the ticket. Best to ask your car insurance agent a hypothetical about that. They are usually helpful in answering that. Some policies have a 1 ticket forgiveness, some do not.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-09-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JohninGpt

Eh, my kids won't be driving for a couple more years, but when they do, I know my insurance will probably double, and any ticket they get will further kill my rates. If I can schmooze them a fine, but avoid getting my rates jacked? It's a win/win.

I look at it like this: First off, my rates are gonna get jacked. No doubt. They'll probably be horrible while they're under my policy. I'm expecting that.

But secondly, it's part of life. Everyone gets a speeding ticket, especially when they're young. Fortunately, I haven't had a moving violation in more than 17 years (which means I'll get one tomorrow!) but I've plenty of parking tickets in Los Angeles, which add up really quickly at $55 dollars a pop.

The bottom line is that there is NO WAY I'd come into this forum to bitch about a ticket, let alone insult and bash the Los Angeles Police Department in any way shape or form. It takes a special kind of man and/or woman to be a police officer (just as it does to be a firefighter) and I'm a not going to insult or take one of these people to task because I or a family member got a justified traffic ticket.

That's just immature and asinine.

JohninGpt · 10-09-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I look at it like this: First off, my rates are gonna get jacked. No doubt. They'll probably be horrible while they're under my policy. I'm expecting that.

But secondly, it's part of life. Everyone gets a speeding ticket, especially when they're young. Fortunately, I haven't had a moving violation in more than 17 years (which means I'll get one tomorrow!) but I've plenty of parking tickets in Los Angeles, which add up really quickly at $55 dollars a pop.

The bottom line is that there is NO WAY I'd come into this forum to bitch about a ticket, let alone insult and bash the Los Angeles Police Department in any way shape or form. It takes a special kind of man and/or woman to be a police officer (just as it does to be a firefighter) and I'm a not going to insult or take one of these people to task because I or a family member got a justified traffic ticket.

That's just immature and asinine.

You're right, I wouldn't bring it to this forum.
But I would do everything else I could to salvage my insurance rates. BTW my kids WILL pay their own goddam fines.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-09-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohninGpt

You're right, I wouldn't bring it to this forum.
But I would do everything else I could to salvage my insurance rates. BTW my kids WILL pay their own goddam fines.

It is such a corrupt system.

Either you're going to pay an attorney a few bucks, in which he'll "spiff" the judge in order to get the violation reduced for 4 times the amount of the ticket, or you pay the insurance company a higher rate because the driver is deemed "at risk".

Either way, you're out the dough.

JohninGpt · 10-10-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It is such a corrupt system.

Either you're going to pay an attorney a few bucks, in which he'll "spiff" the judge in order to get the violation reduced for 4 times the amount of the ticket, or you pay the insurance company a higher rate because the driver is deemed "at risk".

Either way, you're out the dough.

Yup, it's a matter of which costs more.
Kids do screw up. All we can do is try to correct them and make them decent citizens, without screwing ourselves in the process.

Chief Pote · 10-10-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

sorry...

erm.

its paid.

as in

Have I paid those tickets

or

I ****ing paid them

[/grammar nazi]

yur funny.

Chief Pote · 10-10-2009, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I think I need to hire a lawyer for my 16 year old son who got a speeding ticket for going 34 in a 20 school zone.

It is a church school that he didn't realize was a school, and on the description on the ticket, the officer clocked him before he was even 10 feet into the school zone. And he was sitting there waiting for a high school kid, because high school had just let out. I have literally driven down this road over 50,000 times in my life, at all times of day and year, and have never seen cop checking speed in this school zone.

The cop could have seen how nervous my son was, and been understanding about his lack of knowledge of the school, but he wasn't.

We live in Blue Springs, so you know the cop was a dickhead. (And if you are a Blue Springs cop reading this, eff off you f**cking c**k***ker, you know you are a dick)

So, I need to hire a lawyer, and thought I would ask here first.

If you are not a lawyer, maybe you could recommend someone.

Thanks,

ChiefsFanatic

Let this be a lesson to you.....keep your private life private.

10-09-2009, 03:19 PM
ChiefsFanatic DeadPunisher Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Blue Springs, MO. 64014 Casino cash: $179205	Are there any actual lawyers on ChiefsPlanet? I think I need to hire a lawyer for my 16 year old son who got a speeding ticket for going 34 in a 20 school zone. It is a church school that he didn't realize was a school, and on the description on the ticket, the officer clocked him before he was even 10 feet into the school zone. And he was sitting there waiting for a high school kid, because high school had just let out. I have literally driven down this road over 50,000 times in my life, at all times of day and year, and have never seen cop checking speed in this school zone. The cop could have seen how nervous my son was, and been understanding about his lack of knowledge of the school, but he wasn't. So, I need to hire a lawyer, and thought I would ask here first. If you are not a lawyer, maybe you could recommend someone. Thanks, ChiefsFanatic Last edited by ChiefsFanatic; 10-14-2009 at 09:36 AM..
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10-09-2009, 11:23 PM	#110
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10-09-2009, 11:37 PM	#114
banyon Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hermosa, SD Casino cash: $10176551	I'm not a MO licensed Atty, which is what you would need, but it basically comes down to 2 choices, financial and moral. As many in this thread have suggested, there is a moral concern with preventing escalating behavior and what lesson "getting out of this ticket" sends to your son. Does it make him think in 3 years you'll bail him out of a DUi? a 2nd DUI? That's on you, and i can't pretend to tell you how to handle that. On the legal side, it's a petty ticket. I never dealt with Amending/diverting Blue Springs municipal courts tickets, but patteeu in the thread earlier was correct, that some KC area jurisdictions (particularly in Johnson county) have 2 sets of rules 1 for those with attys and one for those without. If Blue Springs is like that then you may want to investigate that. Many jurisdictions will not divert or amend on school zone tickets some will just charge you double. If they will amend or divert, it comes down to a financial calculation between the projected expense of the diversion/amendment and the amount your kids insurance rates will go up for the next few years should he receive the ticket. Best to ask your car insurance agent a hypothetical about that. They are usually helpful in answering that. Some policies have a 1 ticket forgiveness, some do not. __________________ “When war breaks out people say: 'It won't last, it's too stupid.' And war is certainly too stupid, but that doesn't prevent It from lasting.” ~Albert Camus, The Plague.
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