NFL Draft If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5 - Page 9

CanadaKC · 04-21-2008, 10:25 PM

I can't see Jake Long dropping to us...Dorsey and Chris Long will be gone...all the other OT's are a reach with this pick...Edwards is apparantly in love with the guy...I can see it coming...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:27 AM

So, which player will The Sporting News select to go in the first round this year who won't even be drafted?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

He only asked for something pointing out he took plays off... or something along those lines, I'm not going to look it up again.

And I really don't care that I go out on a limb by myself or a with a limited few. I just don't appreciate being refered to as a "dumbass" or something along those lines for having my own opinion.

A dumbass is someone who says that Gholston lacks a motor when it's considered one of his greatest strengths and the same friggin' argument has been made 10 times on here in the last two days.

bkkcoh · 04-24-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What potential?

The guy had 14 sacks in a better conference than Chris Long, and he's a much better athlete.

This isn't like we are drafting Mike Mamula.

You can't just try and draft Tamba Hali every time and expect to build a championship team. When you are drafting early you need to draft difference makers, and that's something Gholston is and Long will never be.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Im thinking you want gholston at #5, who else would you rather have if we don't pick him

I like the potential he offers

The potential was what Sure-Oz's comments, not mine.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:36 AM

And any scouting report that says Vernon Gholston could play D-Tackle should be burned and then pissed on.

Coogs · 04-24-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A dumbass is someone who says that Gholston lacks a motor when it's considered one of his greatest strengths and the same friggin' argument has been made 10 times on here in the last two days.

As I was saying.

I made a point yesterday that some of the talking heads on TV said if you watch the tape of Gholston... he disappears. And for taking their word for it, I was tossed into the dumbass group.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:37 AM

Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Chiefnj2 · 04-24-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A dumbass is someone who says that Gholston lacks a motor when it's considered one of his greatest strengths and the same friggin' argument has been made 10 times on here in the last two days.

You were provided the multiple sources that you said didn't exist. It's time to

and STFD.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

As I was saying.

I made a point yesterday that some of the talking heads on TV said if you watch the tape of Gholston... he disappears. And for taking their word for it, I was tossed into the dumbass group.

You gotta consider your sources. Merril Hoge shouldn't be trusted to start an electric weed-eater, let alone give draft advice.

It's the same thing with TSN. When your source says that a guy who is 265 could play DT, they need to have their head examined.

It's like trusting Athan for draft advice (completely homer-filled mock), or Adam Teicher. Look at that mock Teicher made today. If that doesn't speak to a complete lack of understanding of what the purpose of the draft is, I don't know what does.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-24-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

As I was saying.

I made a point yesterday that some of the talking heads on TV said if you watch the tape of Gholston... he disappears. And for taking their word for it, I was tossed into the dumbass group.

Not saying it's right, but probably because you formed your opinion on what some TV talking head said, instead of forming your own opinion.

Regardless, your good by me. Opinions is what makes this place go.

suds79 · 04-24-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Is it possible that most people want to go for Chris Long because they feel he's simply better? Just curious.

That seems to be the word from a lot of analysis. Now before I get the "those draft experts don't know shit" common blast, I will say that I would take their word over any BB poster.

It mean it is their job to research this stuff 24 - 7.

Coogs · 04-24-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not saying it's right, but probably because you formed your opinion on what some TV talking head said, instead of forming your own opinion.

I don't have any tape to form my own opinion on. I watch a lot of college football too. But Ohio State is not one of the teams I enjoy watching, so I usually watch another game instead. And I am cool with you OTW58.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You were provided the multiple sources that you said didn't exist. It's time to

and STFD.

Look, you ignorant c*nt. If you want to put your stock in a scouting report that says that Gholston could play D-Tackle, well I suggest you might as well have unprotected sex with a bisexual heroin-addicted Botswanan prostitute.

Scott Wright >> Direckshun>>> Mel Kiper >>> A drooling reerun >>>> The Sporting News.

Sure-Oz · 04-24-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around.

I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect.

Chris Long seems to be more of a finished product and ready to go where as gholston is a freak and could get tons better, or regress....if its up to me i would rather go with gholston first

JBucc · 04-24-2008, 11:44 AM

I think Gholston would be great as a 3-4 pass rusher where he could bull rush the QB, run downhill. But I haven't seen many moves from him to think he'll be a great 4-3 DE. When I watch him he's very stiff and just relies completely on his speed to run by someone, no spins, no rips or sidesteps. Doesn't use his hands very well. He's not a Dwight Freeney or Osi Umenyiora type player with a good set of moves to get by someone to go along with speed.

bkkcoh · 04-24-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I don't have any tape to form my own opinion on. I watch a lot of college football to. But Ohio State is not one of the teams I enjoy watching, so I usually watch another game instead. And I am cool with you OTW58.

Being in the Columbus area, O$U was on the tube every game (have Direct TV) and Gholston did hide at times in games....

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Originally Posted by suds79

Is it possible that most people want to go for Chris Long because they feel he's simply better? Just curious.

That seems to be the word from a lot of analysis. Now before I get the "those draft experts don't know shit" common blast, I will say that I would take their word over any BB poster.

It mean it is their job to research this stuff 24 - 7.

Exactly, and most of the time they are former players.

04-21-2008, 10:25 PM
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04-24-2008, 11:27 AM	#121
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	So, which player will The Sporting News select to go in the first round this year who won't even be drafted? __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-24-2008, 11:36 AM	#124
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	And any scouting report that says Vernon Gholston could play D-Tackle should be burned and then pissed on. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-24-2008, 11:37 AM	#126
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Chris Long is the safe pick; Gholston is the kind of guy you build an entire defense around. I'm not surprised that most people on here want to go with the safe, low-risk prospect. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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04-24-2008, 11:44 AM	#134
JBucc MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Casino cash: $10004952	I think Gholston would be great as a 3-4 pass rusher where he could bull rush the QB, run downhill. But I haven't seen many moves from him to think he'll be a great 4-3 DE. When I watch him he's very stiff and just relies completely on his speed to run by someone, no spins, no rips or sidesteps. Doesn't use his hands very well. He's not a Dwight Freeney or Osi Umenyiora type player with a good set of moves to get by someone to go along with speed.
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