Should the Patteeu Memorial Political Forum be permanently closed?

[TLO]

A good clean fun thread for a hot June day.

Please vote and discuss.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I completely agree.

(But even if I disagreed I would acknowledge that you've thought about it and would be willing to listen to your rationale.)

I think that it's an intentional strategy to claim that "the other side" is trying to destroy the country, because that creates an urgency not to solve problems but to choose a side and always vote for it to keep "the other side" from doing so.

The real revolution in this country is when people choose to kick out all of the incumbents and start fresh with candidates who are not part of the two major party structures.

I don't think any of us believe that the people in this country who tend to vote Republican are trying to turn the nation into a religious theocracy. And I don't think any of us really believe that the people in this country who tend to vote Democrat are trying to turn the nation into a socialist wasteland. Those are political talking points that are designed intentionally to scare and disgust people.

Vote third party. Vote out incumbents. Let's have a real revolution.

I thought we were closer to that several years ago... there seemed to not just be less divisive talk, but more discussion around the common enemy of corruption and so forth.

I think that's why Obama's campaign worked, despite sounding extremely salesman-ly about it... and then we tired of that and though shit, what if we don't even elect a politician this time?!? And now it's significantly worse.

We could really use moderates who rely more on experts around them than propping up their own ideals solely for the sake of "owning the libs" or undoing what was just done.... but, they would absolutely get eaten alive by both sides in this climate.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

you can just read, shake your head, and move on. It is possible.

You know, you're right. I apologize. My conditioning kicked in and I made a poor choice.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Well over half of the reports we have to deal with, and a vast majority of them that involve people being complete dickheads to each other, come from DC. It's obnoxious, and we aren't really able to just ignore it.

Why do you have to deal with it?

The disclaimer for the DC Forum is clear:

Where we revolt against the first amendment and combine the most divisive of subjects church and state. Enter and participate at your own peril. This forum is hardly moderated on any level so please be aware going in. You're going to be offended. By someone. Repeatedly. Your choice to ent

Anyone who enters and has a problem should learn how to read.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Adding nothing to the conversation yet being provocative. Perfect example of what derails threads.

I suggested a price/month for DC privileges, and you say this?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

you are correct, to a certain point.

there ARE people in DC willing to have adult conversations, you just have to ignore 50% or more of the echo-chamber/my-tribe-is-righteous-your-tribe-is-evil nonsense.

Yet that 50% only exists because.... ?

I mean, it's not any reasonable person wants to rip up the Constitution and we can talk "slippery slope of cancel culture" and all that, but there are some pretty clear lines that get crossed in terms of batshit crazy conspiracies and existing only to call each other pedos, etc.... just like the Lounge.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That's the danger. If one takes a peek into that forum, there's a lot of passion in there.

The downside is that it's an embarrassment to the site. It's mostly people posting misinformation, and in many cases knowingly so. It's just ... weird.

I think my other concern is something that I was thinking about the other day. I briefly wandered in there to see if there was anything interesting, and I'm struck be the extreme amount of negativity. Everyone posting in there is convinced that the world is ending, and I think they feed off of each other to an unhealthy degree. To some extent, ye reap what ye sow, and having constant expectations that the world is ending does not help a person succeed. Are we doing people a disservice by giving them a place where they can talk about their negative worldviews and find willing conversation partners? I wish we instead had a place where people could talk about finding solutions to the world's problems and positive innovations that are happening.

Who made any of you punks the arbiters of truth?

As if any of you are qualified to arbitrarily assign a label of "misinformation?"

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I thought we were closer to that several years ago... there seemed to not just be less divisive talk, but more discussion around the common enemy of corruption and so forth.

I think that's why Obama's campaign worked, despite sounding extremely salesman-ly about it... and then we tired of that and though shit, what if we don't even elect a politician this time?!? And now it's significantly worse.

We could really use moderates who rely more on experts around them than propping up their own ideals solely for the sake of "owning the libs" or undoing what was just done.... but, they would absolutely get eaten alive by both sides in this climate.

There was some short-lived "science party" about ten years ago that I was really excited about. Their platform was something like, "we'll promote policies that are based on research that proves that they're effective toward addressing our common societal goals." They were around for one election or maybe two, but no one voted for them because the major political parties convinced people that it was "wasting a vote" and that "you have to vote for (party A) to keep (party B) out of power".

I really don't understand how people don't see through that ruse. It's so obvious.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

you can just read, shake your head, and move on. It is possible.

They must control everything...moving on is not an option for someone with a propensity for authoritarianism...and an intrinsic narcissistic belief that world revolves around them.

There is no room in this stunted reality for dissent and questioning...they already know all there is to know. Anything that contradicts this illusion is now "misinformation". They like all-encompassing labels and stereotypes...really streamlines having to rely on facts.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Who made any of you punks the arbiters of truth?

As if any of you are qualified to arbitrarily assign a label of "misinformation?"

What are your goals for the world, and what do you think my goals are? I reach a hand across the gap of perspectives to find common ground, and then we can proceed from there.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Why do you have to deal with it?

The disclaimer for the DC Forum is clear:

Anyone who enters and has a problem should learn how to read.

Mostly real life crossover and having a shred of human decency... we aren't going to just have a blanket "it's okay to look up people IRL and post their shit in DC, just not the Lounge".

And that's not crazy uncommon, either. There really aren't many non-negotiable items in DC, but besides the pedo ridiculousness that DC got carried away with, I'd really hope people could agree no one should be ****ed with off the board or relentlessly followed around by weirdos across forums, etc. Yet, it happens and it's a big reason why nuking DC gets brought up.

[Vladimir_Kyrilytch]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

What are your goals for the world, and what do you think my goals are? I reach a hand across the gap of perspectives to find common ground, and then we can proceed from there.

There is no common ground to find with communists. They want all property to be nationalized and the former property holders get shot in the back of the head. Mass graves ensue.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

There was some short-lived "science party" about ten years ago that I was really excited about. Their platform was something like, "we'll promote policies that are based on research that proves that they're effective toward addressing our common societal goals." They were around for one election or maybe two, but no one voted for them because the major political parties convinced people that it was "wasting a vote" and that "you have to vote for (party A) to keep (party B) out of power".

I really don't understand how people don't see through that ruse. It's so obvious.

Ah, they must be why one party suddenly started treating science as the bad guy.... don't listen to them, they just want to take away your freedoms!

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Ah, they must be why one party suddenly started treating science as the bad guy.... don't listen to them, they just want to take away your freedoms!

Ok, Flat-Earther

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

I suggested a price/month for DC privileges, and you say this?

I was referring to your post #204 taking a passive aggressive jab at Ops

Your price idea while interesting has failed in my experience in another forum long ago. I used to hang out for years in a hunting forum and it was a blast 24/7. After a few years, the administrator decided to charge a nominal fee to enter the forum. It was cheap like $20.00/year. It was suggested it would keep the riff riff out and clean things up for the serious folks. I paid for the first year because I really enjoyed the forum and learned quite a bit about numerous issues however I quickly found that many of the best posters refused to stay because they simply didn't believe in needing to subscribe to an Internet forum. Suddenly the forum wasn't as fun or busy as it once was and soon enough, there would only be a handful of posts a day. Maybe one dozen tops. It grew stagnant and I left after a few months. A handful of folks found other forums and a few started a FB group but I never did find a hunting/outdoors forum that ever replaced original forum that was as fun and high octane.

[TLO]

That yes/no margin is getting awfully close.