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Old 02-17-2013, 02:39 AM  
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Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?
We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread.

I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins.

He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years.

58.9% comp | 7,920 yards pass | 40 passing TDs | 29 INTS | 1,447 rush yards | 22 rushing TDs |

Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:57 PM   #391
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Dane's just pissy because he's never been able to debate with me. He's a classic case of arguing the poster, not the post.

He just can't let go.
Debating you is like debating a child.

Your statements in this thread support your stupidity.
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Old 11-30-2015, 08:58 PM   #392
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:04 PM   #393
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Cam Newton has generated 27 TDs in 11 games this year.

Only Tom Brady and Carson Palmer have more, and their teams are not surprisingly 19-3.

And yet people still doubt him.
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:17 PM   #394
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I do. All day long.

Cam Newton is a more physically gifted version of Vince Young or a little bit taller Tim Tebow without the leadership skills and positive mores. Questionable pass accuracy, me first attitude, bad real time decision making, questionable leadership skills. His pysical skills translated extremely well to the college level, but running through guys from the QB position isn't going to happen in the NFL. Last guy who was effective at that was Steve Young, and he also had exceptional accuracy in the pass.

Personally, I think he (Newton) has already hit his ceiling.
Hmmm?...

2011:
4,051 yards
60%
QBR: 56.2

2012:
3,869 yards
57.7%
QBR: 57.6

2013:
3,379 yards
61.7%
QBR: 61.1

2014:
3,127 yards
58.5%
QBR: 54.4

2015:
2,466 yards (on pace for 3,500)
57.2%
QBR: 58.5

102 TDs
63 Ints

Newton has had one winning season to this point. Two wild card exits from the playoffs. Yards have fallen off and he's still not very accurate. Still throws a lot of interceptions.

Every season, he seems to be bumping his head against the same ceiling.

The main difference in 2015? This dude:



Absolutely killing it.

As well as Mike Shula being promoted to offensive coordinator. He's doing a great job in terms of making the most out of what he has. And Sean McDermott has turned into one of the best DC's in the league. (Surprising that Reid didn't make a push to get him into KC after having him in Philly as his DC there after Johnson.)

Johnathan Stewart and Greg Olsen are having great seasons as well.
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People don't realize how bad the Panthers teams around him have been though.

His 2012 team lost to the Chiefs. The BRADY QUINN Chiefs.
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Old 11-30-2015, 09:20 PM   #396
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Gee wiz, Sac. He's sure lucky his receivers are making him look good by putting up huge stats.
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He's also a known liar, so there's that.
You're a known moron that can't afford an Apple Watch yet views 3x3 NFL streams on a CRT.

Who's the real winner?
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365 days without a regular season loss.

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You're a known moron that can't afford an Apple Watch yet views 3x3 NFL streams on a CRT.

Who's the real winner?
Well you're the millionaire so clearly you.

This is your world, Dane. We're all just living in it.
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Not true.

Loved Kuechly. Blew me away his freshman year when I was watching a game primarily to see Mark Herzlich and here was this freshman that was absolutely everywhere on the field.

And, for the record, I wanted the Chiefs to draft Cam in 2011. In fact, I remember getting shit for it from a couple of people.
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He threw a ton of INTs in his first few years despite not throwing a particularly large volume of passes. Completion percentage has always been extremely low.

More than that, watching him in the games he just never wowed me.
His back to back 400 yard games to start his rookie season didn't wow you? You're hard to impress then especially being a Chiefs fan.
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Newton is doing this without Benjamin. His best WR. That's impressive.
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His back to back 400 yard games to start his rookie season didn't wow you? You're hard to impress then especially being a Chiefs fan.
Pass yards don't impress me much; they never did.
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