Devil's advocate-Chiefs shouldn't have signed Cassel & should've waited & signed Vick

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs offense in the last 7 games of the year improved greatly and was performing in the top half the league using Gailey's modified spread offense. This offense used a running QB who threw primarily short, quick passes and the QB lead the league in rushing for his position.

This offense would have been perfect for Michael Vick, who led the league in QB rushing several times. Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker, but Gailey's offense which relied on easy decision making, mostly short passes and the QB running the ball would have fit Vick perfectly. And this offense is more suited to the Chiefs current offensive line which has and will struggle. The Chiefs could have allowed Thigpen and Vick to compete but obviously Thigpen would have the job for at least the first 6 games.

This would have also allowed the Chiefs to use their draft differently to fill many gaping holes and obvious lack of depth with the offensive line, linebacker, a pass rusher, TE and wide receiver.

The Chiefs could have stuck with the 4-3 and tried to overhaul their defense with Curry, Everette Brown or Ray Malaugua (Brown & Malaugua were both available in the 2nd round), or Michael Johnson (available in the 3rd round).

Or they could have mixed that in with trying to revamp their offensive line with the many players that were available or with a TE like Jared Cook who was available in the 3rd round who would have complimented our big TE, Cottam.

Instead we are stuck with watching a young QB play behind a weak offensive line and throw to receivers that drop many passes or can't stay healthy with out the best pass catching option from last year. And the only significant improvement to one of the worst defenses in the league was to the defensive line and a couple of old linebackers.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

wow. reading comprehension must be difficult. I said they shouldn't have done this and should have done this.

I know that in reality they will do none of it. I am looking at a hypothetical situation. lighten up a little.

Here's the deal. Almost everyone thinks Vick could be a great wild cat QB. I think he could have been great in the spread that Gailey ran last year. He would have been ideal for it. They patterned the offense around Thigpen's strengths and made it work with this weaknesses. Those strengths and weaknesses line up pretty close with Vicks. But Vick probably has more potential.

I also think that chiefs fan quickly forget how good the defense was in 2007. The offense SUCKED and the chiefs defense was still almost in the top 10. Look it up. Look at the offensive stats and defensive stats.

The chiefs should have tried to get their defense back to the 2007 form and then build on that. Instead they just blew the whole thing up and now the team is years away.

I think if the chiefs would have drafted a few defensive players that fit the 4-3 and a few o-lineman and picked up Vick, and kept the offense and defense the same, that the Chiefs would be much closer to being in the playoffs than they are now.

Sadly, reading comprehension is very easy for me. I wish that I hadn't understood your post. Had I not understood it, I'd not have felt subjected to such utter stupidity.

[Over-Head]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Are you forgetting that the spread offense we ran... which Thigpen did well in... still only netted us 2 wins?

If we waited on Vick, we would have essentially wasted the season. The first (very important) season for the new GM, Coach, and coaching staff.....

But your still gonna suck, so whats all the flap?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Over-Head

But your still gonna suck, so whats all the flap?

No, that would be YOU.

For as long as Alzheimers Davis lives.



Which will be forever.

[Noss]

How long have you been an Al Davis fan?

[DaFace]

Threads like this make baby Jesus cry.

[LaChapelle]

Antifreeze is a hell of a slushy flavor.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Over-Head

But your still gonna suck, so whats all the flap?

You have a point there, Mr. Over-Head. I'm honestly not sure that the Chiefs Nation is prepared for the embarrassing, out-of-control, humbling fiasco history will record as the Chiefs' 2009 season. We will, undoubtedly, be flat-out awful ... which, of course, means that sweeping the Faiders won't be considered by anybody as much of an achievement.

By the way, what do you think the odds are that you guys will go after Vick? I think it's a good fit, personally.

FAX

[RustShack]

Pioli and Haley were planning on moving to the 3-4 long before the draft.

[T-post Tom]

[salame]

omg

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by salame

omg

Who's fighting with who? I might wanna' get involved.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Threads like this make baby Jesus cry.

Threads like this are why his Dad gives people ass cancer...

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Dude, that's exactly what is the WCO. Short passes mixed in with a few medium and long passes. But a lot of short passes. Spreading the ball around to all skill positions, especially TEs and RBs/FBs (Kimble Anders ring a bell?). And as I recall, Steve Young, Steve Bono, and even Joe Montana were pretty good scramblers. All in the WCO.

You have to be able to read a defense and make good decisions to run the west coast offense.

Gailey's offense was much easier to make decisions and obviously the QB ran alot. The QB does not run very often in the west coast offense. He may scramble to throw, but that is not by design that the QB has any substantial rushing yardage. There is a huge difference between Gailey's offense and the west coast offense.

And no matter what anyone says on here about Gailey's offense last year, no one really knows how that would play out long term if the Chiefs would have stuck with it. It was successful last season.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You have to be able to read a defense and make good decisions to run the west coast offense.

Gailey's offense was much easier to make decisions and obviously the QB ran alot. The QB does not run very often in the west coast offense. He may scramble to throw, but that is not by design that the QB has any substantial rushing yardage. There is a huge difference between Gailey's offense and the west coast offense.

And no matter what anyone says on here about Gailey's offense last year, no one really knows how that would play out long term if the Chiefs would have stuck with it. It was successful last season.

Even Gailey's offense is designed to put the ball in the air in the passing game.
The fact remains that your QB has to make reads and attempt to make quick decisions to get the ball to recievers.

Running was the result of a breakdown in protection and/or a failure to make the necessary read.

It still remains that QBs that win SBs are pocket passers.

Steve Young couldn't get over that hump until he learned to use his legs to buy time rather than to to tuck and run.

Bringing Vick in does nothing to make this team better in the long term, and short term fixes can suck balls.

Vick is a suckass QB who happens to be a great athlete.

And this idea of yours sucks ass as much as Vick does, and you are a ****ing idiot of epic proportions for even thinking it.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Threads like this are why his Dad gives people ass cancer...

hey... what else are we going to talk about on a Chiefs BB??? how the chiefs are gonna win 4-5 games this year if things work out well???

what could have been seems more interesting to me. maybe not realistic in the sense that it could ever happen with Pioli running the show, but interesting.

If Herm were still here it might could have happened. We know that Herm probably would have stuck with Thigpen and his role model, Tony Dungy, has reached out to Vick.

Herm might have brought in Vick to back up Thiggy in Gailey's offense. Herm probably would have picked Curry with the 1st pick. And I'm guessing he would have gone after Everette Brown with the 2nd pick because we would still be in the 4-3 and the pass rush would be a priority. He probably would have more faith in a small DE like Brown because of the success of Freeney with Dungy and Colts. We would still have Tony G.

What might have been could be interesting...