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Old 02-10-2009, 05:52 PM   #1
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Did you happen to turn games off at halftime?

You want a gamer?

Ben Roethlisberger is a gamer.

He finds a way to WIN.

Need a 90 yard scoring drive with 2:30 left on the clock to win the Super Bowl? With broken ribs?

THAT'S a gamer.

Tyler Thigpen is a parlor trick, who needs a gimmick offense to have any success whatsoever. But only in the 1st half of games.
Why can't he improve?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:53 PM   #2
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Why can't he improve?
Why should we expect it? Why should we pass over drafting a QB for him?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:54 PM   #3
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Why should we expect it?
Becuase he has had none of the support system other QBs get...

The whole offense he was a part of changed in the middle of the season...no training camp as a main part of the offense.

Had a suspect line and running game but still made things happen.

Young players improve.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:56 PM   #4
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Becuase he has had none of the support system other QBs get...

The whole offense he was a part of changed in the middle of the season...no training camp as a main part of the offense.

Had a suspect line and running game but still made things happen.

Young players improve.
So you're advocating passing on a QB BECAUSE of Thigpen?

You need to get you cat scanned.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM   #5
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So you're advocating passing on a QB BECAUSE of Thigpen?

You need to get you cat scanned.
In the 1st round? Sure...I am not that impressed with this batch of QBs.

I am not an armchair draft expert like all you folks though. Whatever the Chiefs decide is fine with me.

But if our guy is Thigpen I would look forward to it.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:57 PM   #6
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Becuase he has had none of the support system other QBs get...

The whole offense he was a part of changed in the middle of the season...no training camp as a main part of the offense.

Had a suspect line and running game but still made things happen.

Young players improve.
Dude....the whole offense changed BECAUSE OF HIM. It changed because he proved that he couldn't run a normal offense. Quit using that as an excuse for him.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM   #7
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Becuase he has had none of the support system other QBs get...

The whole offense he was a part of changed in the middle of the season...no training camp as a main part of the offense.

Had a suspect line and running game but still made things happen.

Young players improve.
No support system? They changed the entire offense just so he could run it. What the hell else do you want them to do?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:59 PM   #8
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Why can't he improve?
Because he's limited to operating in a gimmick offense.

Can he improve if we stay with the Pistol? Sure.

That would be career suicide for Haley and Pioli, but for sake of conversation.

Can he improve if he's expected to play in a pro style offense?

Over time, possibly, but very doubtful.

Even QB's who played in a pro style offense struggle making the transition to the pros. History and his talent level shows he has a very minimal chance of being a successful pro QB.

Is Tyler Thigpen capable of winning a SB?

I don't think so, and I don't know how anyone could answer yes to that question.

And that's the goal here. To win a championship.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:04 PM   #9
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Why can't he improve?
I posted this last week to your query but you didn't respond:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=115

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The problem is Zach that he can't play under center. Do you remember the Raider game? The Atlanta game?

They put him in the spread so that he could better read the defenses. He did a pretty good job of reading the defense in the first half of most of his starts but after halftime, the defenses adjusted and shut him down. The Chiefs lost like 6 or 7 games when they were leading at halftime because of this.

They also had trouble scoring in goal line situations (again, with Thigpen behind center). Part of this was because the right side of the offensive line (the power side) was complete and utter trash but the other part of the equation is that the defenses knew what was coming because Thigpen couldn't read them well enough to throw the ball on the goal line (nor does he possess the accuracy).

I don't think the Chiefs should dump him but it's going to take him years of practice to learn how to read and react under center and quite frankly, it may never happen.

That's not a guy I want starting for my football team.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:07 PM   #10
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I posted this last week to your query but you didn't respond:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=115
I don't think there is any reason that giving decent coaching and an offseason\traning camp Thigpen couldn't have success in a system made for him by our new coach...even under center.

Nobody had success behind that line under center...even Huard who has shown he can do some good things at QB.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:08 PM   #11
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I don't think there is any reason that giving decent coaching and an offseason\traning camp Thigpen couldn't have success in a system made for him by our new coach...even under center.

Nobody had success behind that line under center...even Huard who has shown he can do some good things at QB.
That's untrue. Huard had a career game against the Broncos while under center.

Again, Thigpen may improve someday and have the ability to play under center.

But would you be willing to stake your reputation (and your franchise) on Tyler Thigpen if you were Haley, Pioli or Hunt?

I don't think so.
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That's untrue. Huard had a career game against the Broncos while under center.
Again, Thigpen may improve someday and have the ability to play under center.

But would you be willing to stake your reputation (and your franchise) on Tyler Thigpen if you were Haley, Pioli or Hunt?

I don't think so.
really 21-28 160 yards 1td= career game come on dane
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I don't think there is any reason that giving decent coaching and an offseason\traning camp Thigpen couldn't have success in a system made for him by our new coach...even under center.

Nobody had success behind that line under center...even Huard who has shown he can do some good things at QB.
Ironically, we didn't have anyone talented taking snaps behind that line under center.

Better than bad does not equal good.
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Ironically, we didn't have anyone talented taking snaps behind that line under center.

Better than bad does not equal good.
well, Trent Green was pretty good, but when he had to start playing behind a weak line, he also turned to shit.
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well, Trent Green was pretty good, but when he had to start playing behind a weak line, he also turned to shit.
So what does THAT tell you, Doomy?
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