Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation?

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Ironically, we didn't have anyone talented taking snaps behind that line under center.

Better than bad does not equal good.

well, Trent Green was pretty good, but when he had to start playing behind a weak line, he also turned to shit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

well, Trent Green was pretty good, but when he had to start playing behind a weak line, he also turned to shit.

So what does THAT tell you, Doomy?

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So what does THAT tell you, Doomy?

that the line is equally as important, if not more important than the QB?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

that the line is equally as important, if not more important than the QB?

Tell that to Ben Rothlisberger.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tell that to Ben Rothlisberger.

Well, Ben Roethlisberger basically IS a lineman, so he doesn't really need anyone to block for him.

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

that the line is equally as important, if not more important than the QB?

Every aspect of the game is critical; football is the ultimate team sport.

But you can't claim that anything is more important than the QB. Say this aloud: "I'd rather have Willie Roaf than Peyton Manning." Did you hear how that sounded?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Every aspect of the game is critical; football is the ultimate team sport.

But you can't claim that anything is more important than the QB. Say this aloud: "I'd rather have Willie Roaf than Peyton Manning." Did you hear how that sounded?

reeruned?

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

reeruned?

Terribly.

**RealSNR** · 02-10-2009, 06:34 PM

I think a lot of the Thigpen supporters out there are also for drafting a QB in the 1st. It'd be interesting to take a poll.

Really, I want to see the guy succeed. I really do. The thing is, he's going to have to succeed like all the other 6th and 7th rounders who are successful in this league: prove it.

Just because we draft a QB doesn't mean Thigpen is not going to get another shot. Tell that to the Chargers fans who didn't want to draft Philip Rivers. And Brees was a friggin 2ND rounder. More like a 1st, actually, because he was the 2nd QB taken overall in that draft.

Thigpen will have plenty of chances to show improvement this offseason. If he's good enough, he'll start. And guess what? If he DOESN'T do that well but still shows improvement, he's GOING to be kept on the roster in some fashion. I mean, geez, what else do the Chiefs have to look foward to beyond Sanchez/Stafford? Quinn Grey? Brokie Croyle?

And if he shows no improvement whatsoever at all... well, I mean, that's tough, isn't it? He was a 7th round pick for a reason, and most of those guys just don't have what it takes to play in the NFL. 7th rounders have to work a LOT harder than 1st rounders to get noticed, and if the work isn't shown by Thigpen, why would he show it another time?

Yeah, I know. It's one offseason. But Thigpen's going to have to step away from local KC sports radio, call up his buddy Tony Gonzalez, and start throwing some passes. He's going to have to get in touch with Todd Haley and whoever our new QB coach is, and he's going to have to run a LOT of drills. He only has a few months before training camp, and if he's not looking fresh enough from the start, he's going to lose the starting job he had very quickly. And if he doesn't show more in preseason, then he's going to lose his job with the team.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Every aspect of the game is critical; football is the ultimate team sport.

But you can't claim that anything is more important than the QB. Say this aloud: "I'd rather have Willie Roaf than Peyton Manning." Did you hear how that sounded?

No, I'm just ****ing around. Obviously a guy like Peyton Manning is an exception.

Look, if Pioli thinks either of these guys is Manning, Brady, Brees, or a few other guys, then of course take him. I don't think ANYONE on this board would argue otherwise, at least I hope not. But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

But, if any QB in any year grades out to be a possible top 5 NFL QB, you do whatever you have to to get him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen refer to Pro Bowl quarterbacks as "average".

Your "standards" just don't make any sense.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen refer to Pro Bowl quarterbacks as "average".

Your "standards" just don't make any sense.

And you're the only person I have ever seen refer to Joey Harrnington as average.

I'm sorry, when I envision a franchise QB for this team, I envision them being much better than any of those 3 guys.

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

No, I'm just ****ing around. Obviously a guy like Peyton Manning is an exception.

Look, if Pioli thinks either of these guys is Manning, Brady, Brees, or a few other guys, then of course take him. I don't think ANYONE on this board would argue otherwise, at least I hope not. But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

But, if any QB in any year grades out to be a possible top 5 NFL QB, you do whatever you have to to get him.

We're in agreement.

My stance, though, is that it's far past time for this organization to take the risk.

Stafford and Sanchez might end up being only serviceable, and this would suck for a #3 overall pick. But, and here's the beauty, they might wildly exceed even high expectations.

You have to take that chance.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

well, Trent Green was pretty good, but when he had to start playing behind a weak line, he also turned to shit.

He was also in his mid-30's, for **** sake.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He was also in his mid-30's, for **** sake.

Yeah? I was just answering about a good QB who played behind a shit line.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1544792	I think a lot of the Thigpen supporters out there are also for drafting a QB in the 1st. It'd be interesting to take a poll. Really, I want to see the guy succeed. I really do. The thing is, he's going to have to succeed like all the other 6th and 7th rounders who are successful in this league: prove it. Just because we draft a QB doesn't mean Thigpen is not going to get another shot. Tell that to the Chargers fans who didn't want to draft Philip Rivers. And Brees was a friggin 2ND rounder. More like a 1st, actually, because he was the 2nd QB taken overall in that draft. Thigpen will have plenty of chances to show improvement this offseason. If he's good enough, he'll start. And guess what? If he DOESN'T do that well but still shows improvement, he's GOING to be kept on the roster in some fashion. I mean, geez, what else do the Chiefs have to look foward to beyond Sanchez/Stafford? Quinn Grey? Brokie Croyle? And if he shows no improvement whatsoever at all... well, I mean, that's tough, isn't it? He was a 7th round pick for a reason, and most of those guys just don't have what it takes to play in the NFL. 7th rounders have to work a LOT harder than 1st rounders to get noticed, and if the work isn't shown by Thigpen, why would he show it another time? Yeah, I know. It's one offseason. But Thigpen's going to have to step away from local KC sports radio, call up his buddy Tony Gonzalez, and start throwing some passes. He's going to have to get in touch with Todd Haley and whoever our new QB coach is, and he's going to have to run a LOT of drills. He only has a few months before training camp, and if he's not looking fresh enough from the start, he's going to lose the starting job he had very quickly. And if he doesn't show more in preseason, then he's going to lose his job with the team.
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