What would you do ?

[ROYC75]

Let me back it up here, I've always suspected that the backside of neighbors house had a sewer line or even the main sewer line coming across into my lateral line. Years ago, they allowed landowners with multiple houses together to share the same lateral line. Now I have the proof, his line does tie into mine, matter of fact, it's right up under the deck of my house.

Backing up to 3 years ago, I had to replace about 80% of my lateral line from the bottom of my circle drive to the main city sewer line. That cost me $ 7500.00 and I didn't replace it all because I didn't want to dig up my blacktop drive at the time.


My neighbor has turned into a childish dick ever since his dog followed my dog back to our property and our other dog killed it. To add insult to injury, he slipped on the wet grass and broke his collar bone.

So my question is, do I make him pony up $3750.00 or have him put in his own sewer line, approx. 130 feet ? I would be willing to bet that 130 feet will cost him at least $10K to put in !

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

Wow, this place never fails to amaze me. Let me see if I can clear some of the nonsense up here?

We have a perimeter fence around our property. Our Lab didn't have his collar on and wandered across the property line. So, by the time I had walked down to the end of the driveway (at the edge of the house to see what was going on), he was 15 feet across the property line doing what dogs do, licking and sniffing each other's ass's. I commanded him to come back across to my side, as he came back, the neighbor's pain in the ass Yorkie decided to follow him. Having artificial knees, I could not run to the property line fast enough to stop what was about to happen next. My grandson's Pit was there with his shock collar on, as soon as their dog entered 6' inside of our property, it was too late. It had been raining some prior to this time and the neighbor slipped as he tried to run downhill to catch his dog before crossing. He slipped and did a Charlie Brown flop on his back, landing in a way to break his collar bone. I got citated for not having my Lab on a leach, yet he was not citated for the same thing. But he took all of this personal, took the time to give the grandkids a hard time. Telling them, I'm going to kill all of your dogs. Even making threats towards the kid's friends. I had to call the police on him several times about it and even spoke to the Co. Attorney about his threats, causing fear within them. Even after I apologized to him the next day, expressing my sorrow for his dog and his personal injury that was sustained on his property turned into an ass. Nothing worked, he kept on starring at us as we took our pets out on a leash, video us, making threats, playing loud music all day (which I didn't care, we like the same music) even after hours outside. He even started playing the same song all day long, for 16 hrs out of the day! Sad part is, we always got along up to this point, I used to mow his yard for him. He retired as a prison guard, was having some medical issues and a couple of weeks prior to this dog incident, he apologized for being a " asshole " about treat us and anybody around us. I told him then not to think twice about it, that I knew something was up with his demeanor. But this incident flipped him out, he put No Trespassing signs on the trees, paid for a survey crew to mark his property and has put up a fence between us, all within his rights. Please keep in mind, this whole time he had acted like an ass (over medication & emotional duress) I never engaged in his comments and told the kids to not comment. (This attitude of his has gone on for 5 months now and I'm about to send it into orbit).

Keep in mind when we both bought our houses, me in 1998 and he in 2010 , we were not aware of the current sewer line issues or how it was installed back in the 1930's.

Which brings us to date, he dug up a section of my yard to cut into a sewer tile that runs under my deck, to get to my sewer line. (FYI, there is only 10-12 feet between our houses) This line connects between my house and a clean out trap I had installed about 6' from my house. So his line is within 2, maybe 3 feet off the corner of my house! Then it runs about 60' out to the end of my driveway where we put in a cleanout trap and the new line starts, 90' to the city sewer main.

Years ago back in the 30's when both of these houses were built, the same guy that owned the old tobacco warehouse across the street had our houses built to help house the people that worked there (plus the many more on this street). They were boarding houses back in the day, reason they were built side by side, so close on the same sewer line. Building codes were so much different then than now and all of this old tile is giving way! I feel it's just a matter of time before the section between what we did and the house gives in under my blacktop drive.

I need to do something about this scenario with a 1-time, somewhat friend that has turned into a dickhead over pets!

Since I have not approached him yet, I'm leaning towards just letting him put his own line in. But I was wondering if there was another option here for him, cuz we are going to have to revisit this sewer line again. So I was thinking about getting him to own up to 50% of the maintenance is only fair.

[stumppy]

I'd just consider yourself lucky that YOUR dog is still alive and move on. Bonus if you haven't caught a broken collar bone lawsuit.

[Kman34]

If someones dog killed my dog and then I got hurt to boot.. THEN.. asks for $3700... I'm not paying for jack shit..


We had the same situation at the City of Liberty MO.. Lateral line run behind neighbors houses with each house connected to it. The City took responsibility for it because it was technically part of our sewer system.

I ran a new 8"main with manholes and made the service connections paid for by the City of Liberty because the old lateral was failing. Easements had to be obtained to do the work because the old lateral was so close to the houses and the new line had to go just inside property lines.

Easement acquisition was tricky because some homeowners said they didn't have any problems so why do the work and mess up their yard. I explained that it was just a matter if time before it failed and backed shit up in their houses. Had Video of the pipe to prove it.

I know this because I head the Utilities Constuction division for the City..

[Chief Roundup]

Dude you should be lucky that dude didn't kill your dog or have it put down legally.
I would imagine that those sewer lines would be grandfathered since you both came after they were in the ground.

It kind of sounds like you are one of "those" neighbors that so many talk about on here.

[Balto]

Since sewage lines are property of the home/land owner should there have been something in the title when you purchased the home? If not, shouldn’t this be considered illegal and really no different than say him tapping into your power lines or water lines?

Guess you might have to show proof that he knew of this for legal action but now that you know of this you need to have him put in his own line because if you ever sell your home and don’t disclose this you could be screwed.

I see no option for you but have him put in his own line

[srvy]

Originally Posted by stumppy

I'd just consider yourself lucky that YOUR dog is still alive and move on. Bonus if you haven't caught a broken collar bone lawsuit.

A broken collar bone is a drop in the bucket compared to removal that neighbors line then him running a new line then waiting on the city to approve his connection to city sewer.


I would run it by the neighbor if he refuses tell him you will have a plumber cut his lateral and stub off. then send him the bill.

[WhawhaWhat]

YWBTA

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Dude you should be lucky that dude didn't kill your dog or have it put down legally.
I would imagine that those sewer lines would be grandfathered since you both came after they were in the ground.

It kind of sounds like you are one of "those" neighbors that so many talk about on here.

There is no grandfathering on a landowners lateral encroaching from his property onto another property owners property and tieing into the neighbor's private property lateral. Unless a legal document is possessed that approved and signed by each party. That pertains to the original ownership and should show up as a red flag by the title company in a change of ownership.

[Bwana]

Bird Bombs.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Balto

Since sewage lines are property of the home/land owner should there have been something in the title when you purchased the home? If not, shouldn’t this be considered illegal and really no different than say him tapping into your power lines or water lines?

Guess you might have to show proof that he knew of this for legal action but now that you know of this you need to have him put in his own line because if you ever sell your home and don’t disclose this you could be screwed.

I see no option for you but have him put in his own line

Agree

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by srvy

There is no grandfathering on a landowners lateral encroaching from his property onto another property owners property and tieing into the neighbor's private property lateral. Unless a legal document is possessed that approved and signed by each party. That pertains to the original ownership and should show up as a red flag by the title company in a change of ownership.

Right and since it was not brought up both have agreed to those conditions or the problem is woth the original person whom did not disclose.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Give him a Mark Davis Bowlcut.

[TribalElder]

Wow,

You killed this guys dog and now want to ask for a random $3750

This is next level scumbag shit, I'm impressed

[srvy]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

Wow,

You killed this guys dog and now want to ask for a random $3750

This is next level scumbag shit, I'm impressed

He didnt kill the dog. The dog wasn't contained got out went into another property into the domain of his dog protecting his property. CONTAIN YOUR DOG!

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Right and since it was not brought up both have agreed to those conditions or the problem is woth the original person whom did not disclose.

I hope you are not a lawyer. Somewhere when property was sold and and title reports were searched it would have showed up that an agreement had been made. Hand shakes by former owners don't hold up if there is no document to be found on this. Especially if they are now not on this earth any longer. The Title Company would have redflagged this if there was documentation.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Let's get back to this dog killing.

What kind of dog was yours that killed his and what kind was his dog?

P_tb_ll

Can you solve the puzzle?? Just a guess anyhow