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Old 09-27-2023, 09:13 AM  
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Old 09-28-2023, 12:52 PM   #271
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If Brett Veach had Belichick's drafts the last 5 years, every single person on this forum would want him fired, and we wouldn't be sitting here with 2 rings.

Pat and Andy would've been great enough to probably get 1, but you aren't getting 2 with that drafting combined with all the turnover we've had over those 5 years.
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Old 09-28-2023, 12:53 PM   #272
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Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to fault him for not trading sooner when he earned a king's ransom for when he did trade him.

And again, it's easy to laugh about now, but Russ was largely known as a perennial Pro Bowl caliber QB.

The Seahawks traded him off, found promise in Geno, and got better.

Just a fantastic move by Schneider, aided of course by a great coaching staff.

In the coach/GM combo, the Seahawks are in my top four in the league, alongside the 49ers, Chiefs, and Steelers.
The Seahawks got better because they finally dropped their dead weight at QB. And they KNEW he was dead weight. Hence why they'd tried to dump him in 2018 and a few times since. Again, give them credit for the fleecing. Nice move. But they also wasted 5 YEARS on a QB they'd already decided wasn't in their long term plans but couldn't pull the trigger to get off the roster.
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Old 09-28-2023, 12:55 PM   #273
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No, he has not. I don't care what he did 10 years ago.

You're allowing Belichick the HC, especially the last 7-8 years or so, distract you from how bad he's been at his other job.

Make no mistake about it, they are 2 different jobs.

He's just proof that a great HC can keep a bad GM from getting fired for a very long time.
He's had a few draft hits, so it's not totally barren, but it's not been great.
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“Definitely they tried to, a couple of times, tried to see what was out there,’’ Wilson said, per ESPN’s Jeff Legwold. “It’s part of the business, being a professional and everything else … I believe in my talents, of who I am, I feel I’m one of the best in the world.”


Yeah, I'm sorry, but if a GM wastes THAT long on a QB they really don't believe in, that's just poor management.
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Old 09-28-2023, 12:56 PM   #275
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The Seahawks got better because they finally dropped their dead weight at QB. And they KNEW he was dead weight. Hence why they'd tried to dump him in 2018 and a few times since. Again, give them credit for the fleecing. Nice move. But they also wasted 5 YEARS on a QB they'd already decided wasn't in their long term plans but couldn't pull the trigger to get off the roster.
None of that is wrong, but for the record they did win a Super Bowl, built a few Super Bowl competitive teams around him, and maybe they stuck with him a year longer than they should have.

I just can't fault him given what they were able to accomplish. I thought that John Dorsey was as good at GM as Veach is now, and he had Alex Smith for his entire run.
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The Seahawks got better because they finally dropped their dead weight at QB. And they KNEW he was dead weight. Hence why they'd tried to dump him in 2018 and a few times since. Again, give them credit for the fleecing. Nice move. But they also wasted 5 YEARS on a QB they'd already decided wasn't in their long term plans but couldn't pull the trigger to get off the roster.
4k and 40 td's isn't dead weight. Come on bro.

They were sniffing around cause the dude is a weird psycho, but when he was in his prime he was a really good QB.
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He's had a few draft hits, so it's not totally barren, but it's not been great.
What would you call 2 hits out of 13 1st/2nd/3rd round picks?

You call that fired. Because that's what happening to any GM who does that that isn't also a great HC.
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That happened a decade ago. Great team, not trying to discredit it. But again, we're talking about GMs stepping in around that relative timeframe where Dorsey quit, and the names that keep popping up have a shoddy at best track record in that timeframe.
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That happened a decade ago. Great team, not trying to discredit it. But again, we're talking about GMs stepping in around that relative timeframe where Dorsey quit, and the names that keep popping up have a shoddy at best track record in that timeframe.
People are having a really hard time understanding that part.
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And I honestly can't even believe we're still hearing John Dorseys name in these discussions. He has a great eye for talent. Undeniable. That makes him a great scout, not a great GM. There's a reason why he's been relegated to advisory roles and can't get hired to run the show anymore.
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No, he has not. I don't care what he did 10 years ago.

You're allowing Belichick the HC, especially the last 7-8 years or so, distract you from how bad he's been at his other job.

Make no mistake about it, they are 2 different jobs.

He's just proof that a great HC can keep a bad GM from getting fired for a very long time.
The only other person in this league who has pulled good corners out of his ass is Bill. Time and time again he does it. Speaking of...his first rd corner this year is a goddamn stud.

Uche, Barmore, Dugger. All very good players who are ascending. His FA's like Judon are very good. I also like Hunter Henry a ton, but again his QB sucks.

This league is filled with good teams that aren't good bc of their QB. The Patriots are one of them.

He's not a bottom 5 GM. I can name others who are far worse
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It's like you're totally incapable of separating Belichick the HC from the GM. Yes, Belichick the HC makes up for Belichcik the GM, it doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible GM.

You won't even acknowledge the terrible drafts because it competlely shits on your reeruned ****ing argument.
Weird. I could have sworn I included designations for BelichickHC and BelichickGM for that very reason..

And I’m not acknowledging the drafts because my point has always been that the strength of the dynasty was in the HC-QB combo. You bring BelichickGM over here and I bet you his drafts instantly start looking better thanks to Reid and Mahomes.

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Yea, we'd totally have the same success if we drafted like the Pats the last few years.

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Our entire haul from the Tyreek trade would've been completely ****ing wasted on mediocre to trash prospects.
Same number of All-Pros and Pro Bowls. Wow. Checkmate, atheists.

Maybe BelichickGM wouldn’t have even traded Tyreek. Didja ever think of that?

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I think he's overrated at both, so I won't comment much on it.

Dude got lucky he had Brady and had a good build from Pete Carroll when he took over.
Come on, dude. They had a 20-year dynasty. You cannot attribute that kind of success to Carroll and Brady lol

Unless you think Brady is just that much better than P Manning, Marino, Brees, Rodgers, etc.
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The only other person in this league who has pulled good corners out of his ass is Bill. Time and time again he does it. Speaking of...his first rd corner this year is a goddamn stud.

Uche, Barmore, Dugger. All very good players who are ascending. His FA's like Judon are very good. I also like Hunter Henry a ton, but again his QB sucks.

This league is filled with good teams that aren't good bc of their QB. The Patriots are one of them.

He's not a bottom 5 GM. I can name others who are far worse
What. Dugger is very good. That's about it. Uche and Barmore have been rotational players at best for multiple seasons up to this point. That's fine for second rounders but doesn't make them very good.
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The only other person in this league who has pulled good corners out of his ass is Bill. Time and time again he does it. Speaking of...his first rd corner this year is a goddamn stud.

Uche, Barmore, Dugger. All very good players who are ascending. His FA's like Judon are very good. I also like Hunter Henry a ton, but again his QB sucks.

This league is filled with good teams that aren't good bc of their QB. The Patriots are one of them.

He's not a bottom 5 GM. I can name others who are far worse
I've posted the last few drafts.

I've explained that he let Jacobi Meyers walk while paying JuJu similar money knowing his knee is ****ed.

I posted the tweet showing that he had 13 day 1 & 2 picks between 2018 to 2020, and he hit on ****ing TWO.

You name 3 good players, and you think that disproves all this other shit?

Who drafted that QB you keep using as an excuse Run?
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Hell, Mike Danna and Josh Uche have nearly identical production.
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