Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!!

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Take off the doom and gloom glasses.

You REALLY think this team is going to go 13 of the next 15 seasons with a losing record?

No. Not with the way the NFL is run in contrast with the way it was run during those years. It would be almost impossible now.

But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive.

You get way too worked up I've noticed.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by bobbything

No. Not with the way the NFL is run in contrast with the way it was run during those years. It would be almost impossible now.

But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive.

You get way too worked up I've noticed.

Because people around here would rather talk out of their ass, and base everything they say on hate, than be rational about the situation.

I can't wait for Clark to clean house either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to manipulate or ignore facts to try to make shallow points about why they should be fired.

Objective posters are a dying breed around here...

And BTW, I'm not calling you out. Talking in generalities.



EDIT: Here's an example. The Nap Harris was cut thread.

Almost every comment is something to the effect of "well, that was a waste of $12M"

We all knew that LAST year.

And the funny thing? Is it not a waste of $12M had he been KEPT on the roster?

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

EDIT: Here's an example. The Nap Harris was cut thread.

Almost every comment is something to the effect of "well, that was a waste of $12M"

We all knew that LAST year.

And the funny thing? Is it not a waste of $12M had he been KEPT on the roster?

To be fair... there was only 1 post that said that. It was by a first time poster who just signed on this month.

The rest of them were making fun of the signing... basically agreeing with your opinion that Nap Harris was a horrible FA pick-up.

Originally Posted by RedBull

great signing

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

What a great signing

Originally Posted by ottawa_chiefs_fan

I seem to recall posts extolling Herm as being a great evaluator of talent???

Originally Posted by triple

another awesome free agent move by Carl

Originally Posted by arc

Replacement punter while our MVP is hurt?

Stuff along these lines.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by bobbything

No. Not with the way the NFL is run in contrast with the way it was run during those years. It would be almost impossible now.

But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive.

You get way too worked up I've noticed.

2 to 3 years is probably a pretty good estimate, Mr. bobbything. I suppose it all depends on how well and how quickly our drafts work out. Based on Herm's first draft (2006), it's not looking all that fantastic, to be honest. The best we can hope for from that class is that Pollard and Page will get better (and Hali, I guess). Croyle looks like he's just not able to withstand the punishment that comes during a complete season.

The 2007 draft looks a lot better, by comparison. Tank, Turk, Bowe, Kolby, Taylor, etc. I just don't know how well those guys would fair on other teams.

FAX

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by FAX

2 to 3 years is probably a pretty good estimate, Mr. bobbything. I suppose it all depends on how well and how quickly our drafts work out. Based on Herm's first draft (2006), it's not looking all that fantastic, to be honest. The best we can hope for from that class is that Pollard and Page will get better (and Hali, I guess). Croyle looks like he's just not able to withstand the punishment that comes during a complete season.

The 2007 draft looks a lot better, by comparison. Tank, Turk, Bowe, Kolby, Taylor, etc. I just don't know how well those guys would fair on other teams.

FAX

Here's the thing. A lot of us think there is a specific timeline as to when a team should improve and be a contender. That thinking always can get you into trouble.

The main focus should always be on the progression of your team. It could take 5 years to build a football team or maybe 3? truth is, we don't know. But what we do know is there is no progression going on here. I like the youth movement but all of us know the coaching stinks and I have a feeling that stunts the development and growth of some of our younger players.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RedBull

But what we do know is there is no progression going on here.

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

Okay so how is going to step up on our coaching staff and provide leadership for this young players?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Okay so how is going to step up on our coaching staff and provide leadership for this young players?

Do you mean who?

That's the job of the position coaches.

It sure appears to me that David Gibbs has done a helluva job and Krumie's done well with with Tank & Turk, not to mention Dorsey & Johnson.

This team needs experience and more youth.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

Relax man.

Im looking at the big picture here. Im not specifically talking about players in general. Im talking about the way were going as a team. Yeah these guys like Flowers, Carr, Albert have tons of potential. But the bottomline is, the Chiefs are getting worse ever since Herm took over.

you need to look at the wins and losses. The Chiefs went from a solid 10-6 team to a 9-7 team to a 4-12 and now to a.......? who knows? but this team sure as looks worse then last year. And I do see them finishing with a worse record then last year.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Relax man.

Im looking at the big picture here. Im not specifically talking about players in general. Im talking about the way were going as a team. Yeah these guys like Flowers, Carr, Albert have tons of potential. But the bottomline is, the Chiefs are getting worse ever since Herm took over.

you need to look at the wins and losses. The Chiefs went from a solid 10-6 team to a 9-7 team to a 4-12 and now to a.......? who knows? but this team sure as looks worse then last year. And I do see them finishing with a worse record then last year.

The biggest disappointment, and what finally ruined me on Herm, was this defense. The defense is what he was supposed to be all about. Our D sucks ass! And it isn't the rookie corners. It's the mish-mash D line and sloppy LB play. Gunther took over coaching the LB's this year....so much said for him.

I agree 100%. This team has done nothing but get worse each year under Herm. The plays are the same, the players are the same, the coach is the same, the results are the same.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The biggest disappointment, and what finally ruined me on Herm, was this defense. The defense is what he was supposed to be all about. Our D sucks ass! And it isn't the rookie corners. It's the mish-mash D line and sloppy LB play. Gunther took over coaching the LB's this year....so much said for him.

I agree 100%. This team has done nothing but get worse each year under Herm. The plays are the same, the players are the same, the coach is the same, the results are the same.

Im with you on that. I thought he'd at least turn the defense around? it has been quite the contrary. It's too much cover 2..dropping guys back all the time doesnt help your defense. they play such a soft style. even despite the fact they change players doesnt make a difference? the philosophy is poor and the playcalling is arguably the worst ive seen in years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RedBull

you need to look at the wins and losses.

You're out of your ****ing mind.

Originally Posted by RedBull

The Chiefs went from a solid 10-6 team to a 9-7 team to a 4-12 and now to a.......? who knows? but this team sure as looks worse then last year. And I do see them finishing with a worse record then last year.

Again, are you ****ING KIDDING ME???????

This 10-6 team you speak of didn't do jackshit. The starting QB AND the all-world left tackle weren't on the squad the year the Chiefs went 9-7.

Do you think they'd win even 7 games under Vermiel? I mean, most of his seasons were losers: 6-10, 8-8, 7-9. When did THOSE teams improve? Oh yeah. They didn't.

What you "need to look at" is player development. The Chiefs are essentially an expansion franchise. "You need to look at" personnel and player development. Not wins and losses. That's ludicrous.

Especially when the team is starting 10 ROOKIES.

JFC.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're out of your ****ing mind.



Again, are you ****ING KIDDING ME???????

This 10-6 team you speak of didn't do jackshit. The starting QB AND the all-world left tackle weren't on the squad the year the Chiefs went 9-7.

Do you think they'd win even 7 games under Vermiel? I mean, most of his seasons were losers: 6-10, 8-8, 7-9. When did THOSE teams improve? Oh yeah. They didn't.

What you "need to look at" is player development. The Chiefs are essentially an expansion franchise. "You need to look at" personnel and player development. Not wins and losses. That's ludicrous.

Especially when the team is starting 10 ROOKIES.

JFC.

QFT

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're out of your ****ing mind.



Again, are you ****ING KIDDING ME???????

This 10-6 team you speak of didn't do jackshit. The starting QB AND the all-world left tackle weren't on the squad the year the Chiefs went 9-7.

Do you think they'd win even 7 games under Vermiel? I mean, most of his seasons were losers: 6-10, 8-8, 7-9. When did THOSE teams improve? Oh yeah. They didn't.

What you "need to look at" is player development. The Chiefs are essentially an expansion franchise. "You need to look at" personnel and player development. Not wins and losses. That's ludicrous.

Especially when the team is starting 10 ROOKIES.

JFC.

That 10-6 team was a good team. The reason they didn't make the playoffs that year is because the AFC was an incredibly competitve conference that year. that 10-6 team even though they didn't make the playoffs was just as good as a playoff team. Even despite not accomplish the main goal.

Ok so you're gonna say the starting Qb wasn't on that 9-7 team. Fine. I'll turn around and say Damon Huard played just as well as Trent Green when he was hurt if not better. Ok Roaf wasn't there and that a bit.

Do I think this team would win 7 games under Vermeil. absolutely. I'll take a Dick Vermeil squad over a Herm Edwards squad anyday. Ok Vermeil may not have won the bowl, but at least his teams executed, were disciplined and played an exciting brand of football. Ok Vermeil would not give you 13-3 seasons ever year, but at least his teams made progress. They went from 6-10, to 8-8 to 13-3. In 3 seasons he went from 6-10 to 13-3. I'll give the man some credit and I do miss him over this ass clown.

You need to look at player development yes you are right. And we had very good player development under Vermeil. that's all in part because he knows and has good understanding on how to work and deal with players. thats what makes him a good coach.

Ok this team has a lot of rookies fine. but all I want to get at is, these rookies aren't going to flourish properly when the coaching staff in front of them stinks. player development and good coaching have a lot to do with the progress of a player. They go hand in hand.

You don't look at the wins and losses? I'd love for you to tell that to some NFL teams. they'd laugh in your face.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

Let preface my post here by first saying that, like you, Warpath, jsp, and others, that I agree that the premise of this thread is absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

However, with better coaching, at least along the D-Line, I think we would see a little more cosistency from Tank and Turk, rather than just flashes, and that that we would see more flashes from Dorsey.

I do think that Gibbs is doing a pretty damn good job with the secondary, but the coaching everywhere else on the defense leaves a lot to be desired.

As to Kawika, yes, he was far from being one of the best players on this team, and he isn't ever going to be a great LB, but he did produce far more consistently for a team with a better staff.