Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 9

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:03 PM

But one thing though. A lot of people shit on this "spread" thing, but aren't a lot of other teams basically running a variation of that? New England, Arizona, New Orleans, and even Indy at times?

This is just a question. No need to call me reeruned, or anything like that.

Basileus777 · 02-10-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

how do we actually know that thigpen cant? our offensive line was horrible, any one would be skittish when taking a THREE step drop and having defenders in your face before setting up

You don't risk our future on "we don't know." Even if we draft a QB Thigpen will still be on the roster, and maybe he can become something. But you don't skip over a potential franchise QB because a late round pick might somehow become a good NFL quarterback when you have little reason to believe he will do so.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

What about Thigpen's successes can you separate from the scheme? His mobility, I suppose. But beyond that... it just seems to me that he is completely a product of the scheme. I fear his terrible accuracy wouldn't take him far in a drop back system.

He's the white Vince Young.

He was great in college when he didn't need to read a defense, and the scheme masked all his flaws, but once he hit the pros' it was obvious he's not capable of running a pro style offense.

Making one read and pulling the ball down and running if it's not there isn;t going to get you far in this league.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Why can't he improve?

I posted this last week to your query but you didn't respond:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=115

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The problem is Zach that he can't play under center. Do you remember the Raider game? The Atlanta game?

They put him in the spread so that he could better read the defenses. He did a pretty good job of reading the defense in the first half of most of his starts but after halftime, the defenses adjusted and shut him down. The Chiefs lost like 6 or 7 games when they were leading at halftime because of this.

They also had trouble scoring in goal line situations (again, with Thigpen behind center). Part of this was because the right side of the offensive line (the power side) was complete and utter trash but the other part of the equation is that the defenses knew what was coming because Thigpen couldn't read them well enough to throw the ball on the goal line (nor does he possess the accuracy).

I don't think the Chiefs should dump him but it's going to take him years of practice to learn how to read and react under center and quite frankly, it may never happen.

That's not a guy I want starting for my football team.

**SAUTO** · 02-10-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

The pro-Thigpen argument in this thread basically boils down to that it's possible that Thigpen might improve, so we should put our entire future on his shoulders. Oh, and math sucks, screw the odds.

so a rookie will come in right off and blow away the league? he won't need to improve? it's possible that he wont either

|Zach| · 02-10-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

You don't risk our future on "we don't know." Even if we draft a QB Thigpen will still be on the roster, and maybe he can become something. But you don't skip over a potential franchise QB because a late round pick might somehow become a good NFL quarterback when you have little reason to believe he will do so.

And drafting someone like Sanchez isn't risking our future?

It was great seeing Leinart play for the Cards in the Superbowl.

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

how do we actually know that thigpen cant? our offensive line was horrible, any one would be skittish when taking a THREE step drop and having defenders in your face before setting up

I reference the abomination that was the first Raider game and the Falcon game.

The_Doctor10 · 02-10-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Same could be said for the "anti-Thigpen" crowd too, I would guess.

This

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

And drafting someone like Sanchez isn't risking our future?

It was great seeing Leinart play for the Cards in the Superbowl.

You are aware that Sanchez and Leinart are nothing alike right?

And the Leinart thing has been covered a million times it's to bad you failed to notice.

**The Franchise** · 02-10-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so a rookie will come in right off and blow away the league? he won't need to improve? it's possible that he wont either

No...but he'll at least know how to run a pro-style offense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

But one thing though. A lot of people shit on this "spread" thing, but aren't a lot of other teams basically running a variation of that? New England, Arizona, New Orleans, and even Indy at times?

This is just a question. No need to call me reeruned, or anything like that.

Everyone runs their offense in a spread from time to time. Three wideouts, shotgun, etc.

The difference is that those teams can also run their offense effectively with their QB under center. Why? Because the QB's that you mention (Warner, Brady, Brees & Manning) know how to read a defense.

Thigpen was horrendous under center against the Raiders, Falcons and Panthers. Furthermore, the Chiefs couldn't score in goal line situations when Thigpen was under center.

He's just not capable of running a Pro-Style offense at this time. Will he ever be capable? That's hard to say. But I wouldn't bank MY franchise on that risk.

|Zach| · 02-10-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I posted this last week to your query but you didn't respond:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=115

I don't think there is any reason that giving decent coaching and an offseason\traning camp Thigpen couldn't have success in a system made for him by our new coach...even under center.

Nobody had success behind that line under center...even Huard who has shown he can do some good things at QB.

The_Doctor10 · 02-10-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I reference the abomination that was the first Raider game and the Falcon game.

You mean the Falcon game where he was making his first NFL start?

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You are aware that Sanchez and Leinart are nothing alike right?

And the Leinart thing has been covered a million times it's to bad you failed to notice.

This is the best post in this thread.

Jumping down someone else's throat for failing to notice something that's been covered a million times.

Gold.

|Zach| · 02-10-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You are aware that Sanchez and Leinart are nothing alike right?

And the Leinart thing has been covered a million times it's to bad you failed to notice.

They are not alike...Leinart looked more impressive out of college.

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doomy3 Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $3133539	But one thing though. A lot of people shit on this "spread" thing, but aren't a lot of other teams basically running a variation of that? New England, Arizona, New Orleans, and even Indy at times? This is just a question. No need to call me reeruned, or anything like that.
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