Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 41

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Brady and Johnson make 2 people. Manning/Manning/Ben are 3 people. Even if you only credit that way, it's still only 3-2 in winners, which is still a pretty even split.

As for Tom ****ing Brady, isn't his being on the list really the point? I don't think Thigpen will ever be Brady, but I don't think Sanchez will, either. Do you?

I would like to know where we are going to find all these other players, you know, to actually field a football team, when we have to spend 5 picks a year on quarterbacks in the middle rounds in order to ensure the same quantitative amount of success as drafting one in the first round.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

2004: # of QBs: 17
QBs taken out of the first round: 14
Successful QBs taken out of the first round: 1, if you count Matt Schaub.

2005: # of QBs: 14
QBs taken out of the first round: 11
Successful QBs taken out of the first round: 1, if you count Matt Cassel.

2006: # of QBs: 12
QBs taken out of the first round: 9
Successful QBs taken out of the first round: 0

2007: # of QBs: 11
QBs taken out of the first round: 9
Successful QBs taken out of the first round: 2, if you count Edwards and Thigpen.

So BEST case scenario (Assuming you think guys like Thigpen are considered successful) is:

# of QBs: 54
QBs taken out of the first round: 43
Successful QBs taken out of the first round: 0 - 4.

At worst, 0%

At best, 9.3%

Where do you find this stuff. I actually want to look at the names of the QBs drafted. I know Bulger was a 4th, seems like there were a few others in the 2000-2004, but I don't know what years.

And also, there seems to be different grading scales.

In a thread in the draft forum, Joey Harrington was considered an average NFL QB, and not considered a bust, even though he was the #3 pick, so if that is the standard for average, I want to find the rest of these QBs.

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I have a feeling the reply will be that Brady, as the 6th round aberration, is the exception that proves the rule, that franchise quarterbacks have won 7 of the last 8 superbowls, with Johnson being the odd dog out.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Brady and Johnson make 2 people. Manning/Manning/Ben are 3 people. Even if you only credit that way, it's still only 3-2 in winners, which is still a pretty even split.

As for Tom ****ing Brady, isn't his being on the list really the point? I don't think Thigpen will ever be Brady, but I don't think Sanchez will, either. Do you?

Pigpen's upside, his ceiling, is probably competent backup.

The ceiling for both Stafford and Sanchez is considerably higher. Will they be HOFers? No clue. But, yes, they both have that type of *potential*.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Kyle Orton and Derek Anderson were also in 2005.

I guess you missed the part where we were talking about successful QB's taken outside the 1st round.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Kyle Orton and Derek Anderson were also in 2005.

Yeah, and they suck. Hence not showing them as successes.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:40 PM

what % of NFL teams have a first round pick at starting QB compared to other rounds.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Where do you find this stuff. I actually want to look at the names of the QBs drafted. I know Bulger was a 4th, seems like there were a few others in the 2000-2004, but I don't know what years.

And also, there seems to be different grading scales.

In a thread in the draft forum, Joey Harrington was considered an average NFL QB, and not considered a bust, even though he was the #3 pick, so if that is the standard for average, I want to find the rest of these QBs.

Bulger was a 6th, # 168 in 2000.

He and Brady are the 2 successful QB's outside the 1st round of the 2000 draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Where do you find this stuff. I actually want to look at the names of the QBs drafted. I know Bulger was a 4th, seems like there were a few others in the 2000-2004, but I don't know what years.

And also, there seems to be different grading scales.

In a thread in the draft forum, Joey Harrington was considered an average NFL QB, and not considered a bust, even though he was the #3 pick, so if that is the standard for average, I want to find the rest of these QBs.

It's some kind of dictionary with a name that sounds like it was made up by those Islander people that kind of look like Chinamen.

Willfredia?
Honowaidia?

Wikipedia....I was way off

PastorMikH · 02-10-2009, 11:42 PM

Here's my thoughts on Thigpen...

I like what I see with his competitive nature - I loved watching Green take off down field and nail someone for the ball carrier, yeah it's hard on QBs and no it isn't a good idea, but it shows a desire to win - I see this with Thigpen, he's got heart.

I also like Thigpen's ability to make things happen with his legs. He's got enough speed to gain some yards if he has to scramble.

He appears to be tough - at least tough enough to last the rest of the season behind this line.

I think he put up some pretty impressive stats for a 2nd year QB seeing his first real field time this year.

I think he's rough and needs work - especially his footwork. On multiple step drops he tends to throw off his back foot instead of stepping into the pass, sending the ball high. But I think some work on mechanics and more work at reading Ds could really make a difference.

I'm not necesarily saying I think Thigpen SHOULD be our starter, I've posted numerous times that I'm for drafting/signing some QBs and making him compete for the job.

I also, as I've stated before, am not impressed with Stafford or Sanchez. If Bradford were there at the 3rd pick, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'd lobbying for him in threads from the time he declared until the time he was picked. Why, because I really believe he has what it takes to make a stud Pro QB - arm, intelligence, accuracy, ability to read Ds and adjust, etc. Sanchez started one year and I read that even his coach thinks he needs another year in college. Stafford put up some numbers, but I've also read where he really didn't play at his full potential - read one commentator that said with the talent he had around him his numbers should have been much higher. I really don't want to draft a 70 million dollar qb that may or may not make it when we could quite possibly trade down and get him for a third to half that amount and get another draft pick to boot. We could also pass on them, and nab a couple of QBs off the next tier level and see which ones pan out.

I guess my responding question to the "Anti-Thigpen" crowd is...

Do you really, really like either Stafford or Sanches and think that player is who we need, or are do you just want a first round draft pick QB so bad that you will take one of these two 'cause they are the best that's available?

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

what % of NFL teams have a first round pick at starting QB compared to other rounds.

You're probably going to have to do this Google thing yourself.

All the cool kids are using it.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's some kind of dictionary with a name that sounds like it was made up by those Islander people that kind of look like Chinamen.

Willfredia?
Honowaidia?

Wikipedia....I was way off

to be honest, I don't use that often. Just type in 2000 QBs, etc?

keg in kc · 02-10-2009, 11:43 PM

drafthistory.com is a good resource

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

to be honest, I don't use that often. Just type in 2000 QBs, etc?

2000 NFL Draft.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

what % of NFL teams have a first round pick at starting QB compared to other rounds.

That's kind of pointless.

We have a 7th starting.

Doesn't mean he's any good.

The Raiders have a 1st overall starting.

Doesn't mean he's any good either.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

drafthistory.com is a good resource

perfect. thanks man. Rep to you.

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PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9905087	Here's my thoughts on Thigpen... I like what I see with his competitive nature - I loved watching Green take off down field and nail someone for the ball carrier, yeah it's hard on QBs and no it isn't a good idea, but it shows a desire to win - I see this with Thigpen, he's got heart. I also like Thigpen's ability to make things happen with his legs. He's got enough speed to gain some yards if he has to scramble. He appears to be tough - at least tough enough to last the rest of the season behind this line. I think he put up some pretty impressive stats for a 2nd year QB seeing his first real field time this year. I think he's rough and needs work - especially his footwork. On multiple step drops he tends to throw off his back foot instead of stepping into the pass, sending the ball high. But I think some work on mechanics and more work at reading Ds could really make a difference. I'm not necesarily saying I think Thigpen SHOULD be our starter, I've posted numerous times that I'm for drafting/signing some QBs and making him compete for the job. I also, as I've stated before, am not impressed with Stafford or Sanchez. If Bradford were there at the 3rd pick, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'd lobbying for him in threads from the time he declared until the time he was picked. Why, because I really believe he has what it takes to make a stud Pro QB - arm, intelligence, accuracy, ability to read Ds and adjust, etc. Sanchez started one year and I read that even his coach thinks he needs another year in college. Stafford put up some numbers, but I've also read where he really didn't play at his full potential - read one commentator that said with the talent he had around him his numbers should have been much higher. I really don't want to draft a 70 million dollar qb that may or may not make it when we could quite possibly trade down and get him for a third to half that amount and get another draft pick to boot. We could also pass on them, and nab a couple of QBs off the next tier level and see which ones pan out. I guess my responding question to the "Anti-Thigpen" crowd is... Do you really, really like either Stafford or Sanches and think that player is who we need, or are do you just want a first round draft pick QB so bad that you will take one of these two 'cause they are the best that's available? __________________
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