Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the 3rd pick?

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's a LB...

You could literally go sign a guy for half the price.

Who?

Again who do you pick if both QB's are gone? I know you've said CB. OK. How does that have more value to this team?

Curry had 15 tackles behind the line. 3 TD's from int's. over 100 tackles. He's a solid tackler and a big hitter. He is stout against the run. So they didnt rush the passer with him. We cant get everything with one pick or even one draft. Lewis doesnt rush the passer either and he does pretty OK.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by melbar

Who?

Again who do you pick if both QB's are gone? I know you've said CB. OK. How does that have more value to this team?

Curry had 15 tackles behind the line. 3 TD's from int's. over 100 tackles. He's a solid tackler and a big hitter. He is stout against the run. So they didnt rush the passer with him. We cant get everything with one pick or even one draft. Lewis doesnt rush the passer either and he does pretty OK.

The CB position is more valuable than the LB position....

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The CB position is more valuable than the LB position....

We have 2 solid young CB's and 1 average LB. Especially if we go 3-4 we have to have solid LB play. I dont recall dominant CB play running the Steelers D. It was great LB play. But I dont think CB isnt valuable. I think we need solid if not spectacular players all over the field.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by melbar

We have 2 solid young CB's and 1 average LB. Especially if we go 3-4 we have to have solid LB play. I dont recall dominant CB play running the Steelers D. It was great LB play. But I dont think CB isnt valuable. I think we need solid if not spectacular players all over the field.

That is NOT HOW YOU DRAFT, how many of those great Steelers LB's were high draft picks..oh yea Lawrence Timmons was taken like 20th none of the other ones were first round picks by them..

The LB position is filled in the middle rounds, or even UDFA the Steelers and Ravens are examples of this, they are not examples that you take non rushers in the top 10.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That is NOT HOW YOU DRAFT, how many of those great Steelers LB's were high draft picks..oh yea Lawrence Timmons was taken like 20th none of the other ones were first round picks by them..

The LB position is filled in the middle rounds, or even UDFA the Steelers and Ravens are examples of this, they are not examples that you take non rushers in the top 10.

Not how who drafts? You? Draft Potential over productivity because of position? Hello Gholston! Thats worked out well!

Who cares when they were drafted?! A great player is a great player. Scouts missed them. You think teams wouldnt love to pick them higher if they coulod go back? Ray was a late first rounder. Merriman went top ten. Again just because Brady was a 6th rounder you dont wait late and pass up a guy if he's the best guy available.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by melbar

Not how who drafts? You? Draft Potential over productivity because of position? Hello Gholston! Thats worked out well!

Who cares when they were drafted?! A great player is a great player. Scouts missed them. You think teams wouldnt love to pick them higher if they coulod go back? Ray was a late first rounder. Merriman went top ten. Again just because Brady was a 6th rounder you dont wait late and pass up a guy if he's the best guy available.

God this argument blows, you don't overrdraft players either, I always despised when people say things like "oh we'd have taken him earlier if we knew he was this good"

No you wouldn't have dolt, now instead of just getting him you got another player too, that is why you know what draft value is.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

God this argument blows, you don't overrdraft players either, I always despised when people say things like "oh we'd have taken him earlier if we knew he was this good"

No you wouldn't have dolt, now instead of just getting him you got another player too, that is why you know what draft value is.

Was this an argument? Cause I missed it. Your reaching.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by melbar

Not how who drafts? You? Draft Potential over productivity because of position? Hello Gholston! Thats worked out well!

Who cares when they were drafted?! A great player is a great player. Scouts missed them. You think teams wouldnt love to pick them higher if they coulod go back? Ray was a late first rounder. Merriman went top ten. Again just because Brady was a 6th rounder you dont wait late and pass up a guy if he's the best guy available.

So, you failed to answer my question earlier: Are you stating that Aaron Curry is the second coming of Ray Lewis, as you suggested?

Furthermore, are you judging Gholston after one season? That's all he gets? One season?

And one more thing: Merriman wasn't top ten. He was chosen at #12.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you failed to answer my question earlier: Are you stating that Aaron Curry is the second coming of Ray Lewis, as you suggested?

Furthermore, are you judging Gholston after one season? That's all he gets? One season?

And one more thing: Merriman wasn't top ten. He was chosen at #12.

As I've said repeadedly, I'm not saying he's Lewis, but he does have a lot of the same skill set. I bring up Ray because he is an exceptional LB who doesnt rush the passer.

Gholston was heralded as the second coming on this board last (particularly Mecca) year even though he hadnt reached his "potential" and he had Motivation problems. His new coach brought up the same issues this year. I hope he finds the motivation to succeed I really do, but I dont think that a player that cant get motivated to play is worthy of a high pick and thusfar that evaluation has been correct.

My bad on Merriman. He's still pretty valuable to his team. They werent the same without him.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by melbar

We have 2 solid young CB's and 1 average LB. Especially if we go 3-4 we have to have solid LB play. I dont recall dominant CB play running the Steelers D. It was great LB play. But I dont think CB isnt valuable. I think we need solid if not spectacular players all over the field.

Poor CB's don't get noticed as much when you run the zone blitz right. Put a ton of pressure on the QB with confusing blitzes and have your CB's or LB's step in the throwing lanes.

3-4 will make poor CB's average and average CB's good. They only have to cover for a few seconds unlike our old Cover-2 which put a ton of pressure on the corners and cover LB's because we could never get pressure on the QB because we were sitting back letting the O dictate what happened.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by melbar

Who?

Again who do you pick if both QB's are gone? I know you've said CB. OK. How does that have more value to this team?

Curry had 15 tackles behind the line. 3 TD's from int's. over 100 tackles. He's a solid tackler and a big hitter. He is stout against the run. So they didnt rush the passer with him. We cant get everything with one pick or even one draft. Lewis doesnt rush the passer either and he does pretty OK.

Curry played in the ACC.

'Nuff said.

[lazepoo]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Who said Curry was the perfect prospect...

Its just a mindset in the fanbase... Some want defense and 9-7, others want a QB and a chance to win a superbowl...

I'm not sure how you think it's as cut and dried as that... you can't win without a solid team on both sides of the ball, and you don't have to look any further than our own teams in the last 20 years (Marty's D in the 90s or Vermiel's Offense). Obviously a franchise QB is an important piece of the puzzle, but this single-minded QB Kool-Aid that has you thinking the Chiefs will be SB bound once they draft one is as bad as the "True Fan" nonsense.

Originally Posted by melbar

Who?

Again who do you pick if both QB's are gone? I know you've said CB. OK. How does that have more value to this team?

Curry had 15 tackles behind the line. 3 TD's from int's. over 100 tackles. He's a solid tackler and a big hitter. He is stout against the run. So they didnt rush the passer with him. We cant get everything with one pick or even one draft. Lewis doesnt rush the passer either and he does pretty OK.

Is there anyone else in the draft with Curry's skill set? I've heard talk that this year's draft is full of rush backers, so if we're in a 3-4 and Curry is the only guy around that can do what he does, is his value increased as a result?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by lazepoo

I'm not sure how you think it's as cut and dried as that... you can't win without a solid team on both sides of the ball, and you don't have to look any further than our own teams in the last 20 years (Marty's D in the 90s or Vermiel's Offense). Obviously a franchise QB is an important piece of the puzzle, but this single-minded QB Kool-Aid that has you thinking the Chiefs will be SB bound once they draft one is as bad as the "True Fan" nonsense.



Is there anyone else in the draft with Curry's skill set? I've heard talk that this year's draft is full of rush backers, so if we're in a 3-4 and Curry is the only guy around that can do what he does, is his value increased as a result?

Linebackers are the RB's of defense they're a dime a dozen unless they have pass rush ability, think of it that way.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Linebackers are the RB's of defense they're a dime a dozen unless they have pass rush ability, think of it that way.

Our dime a dozen LB's have really served us well havent they?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by melbar

Our dime a dozen LB's have really served us well havent they?

Using the Chiefs to form an opinion is dense, that's like saying you don't watch the rest of the NFL and see how top level teams are built...

Because the Chiefs couldn't do something right doesn't mean you do it the complete opposite way either because that then makes you a reaching reerun.