Chiefs ESPN gave us a B draft grade. Does that make the pessimist happier? - Page 13

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:12 PM

You said Samuel...and anyone who thought they had illusions of playing Milloy and Harrison together always made me laugh.

I think playing 2 strong safeties who run at speeds that need a sun dial would have done wonders for their defense.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dimitroff was the Patriots DIRECTOR of scouting and look at how he conducted his first offseason:

Franchise QB
Franchise LT
Get a RB to protect the QB

next year

Pass Catching Red Zone threat to help QBs development

Offense is set.

So what do we do?

Penetrating DT
Ball hawking safety
pass rusher
road grader

Nowhere in there did I see Dimitroff needing to completely revamp their scouting department, or taking a pure Patriot approach to drafting. He also didn't scrap what talent he had on D to put a square peg into a round hole and then spent an entire draft burning picks to fit the scheme when the value was elsewhere.

That scouting department excuse is just CYA for Pioli.

He also didn't shoehorn them into a 3-4 or some variation of it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's easy to see why you're upset. You narrowed this entire draft down to one player and we didn't take him.

I get it, I really do. I just can't bring myself to get all worked up about it.

Seriously dude. Wow.

Look at the list of picks I drew up that we could have made

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Everette Brown
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Lawrence Sidbury or Andre Brown
5. Jamon Meredith
6. Coye Francies
7. AQ Shipley
7. Dannell Ellerbe
7. Darry Beckwith

If you think it boils down to just one pick, you're either uninformed, or just being overtly dishonest.

**HemiEd** · 04-26-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm much more worried about stopping the run. We were awful against the run and it was simply overshadowed by our record-setting futility at rushing the passer.

Stopping the run is by far the most important thing for a defense.

Yep, and it didn't matter whether Gunther was upstairs, downstairs, or coaching line backers, they just kept getting worse at it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-26-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm much more worried about stopping the run. We were awful against the run and it was simply overshadowed by our record-setting futility at rushing the passer.

Stopping the run is by far the most important thing for a defense.

That's okay, no one runs anymore.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:15 PM

No one who is really pissed is pissed because of one pick, it's a culmination of consistently taking bad value round after round.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You just keep changing the parameters to suit your will, so trying to talk rationally about this with you is just a waste of time.

I'm not changing any parameters. They had 3 guys who made the 2001 Pro Bowl. They had about 10 guys who would were Pro Bowlers starting on that team. It's dishonest to talk about that 2001 team as totally bereft of talent. It was anything but.

Just Passin' By · 04-26-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed.

The money is what it is, regardless of who was available. It was not a draft where a team could get elite players at positions that would suit you.

Titty Meat · 04-26-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, it's not. You don't give a solid player more money than James Harrison.

This draft sucked and every team who drafted in the top 10 will be paying more to solid players then James Harrison. That's not Piolis fault its the NFL's they should model there draft like the NBA's.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:17 PM

I want someone to tell me why I should be happy when the only value pick the Chiefs made was Donald Washington, all of the rest of the guys they took were shit value for their draft slots.

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Seriously dude. Wow.

Look at the list of picks I drew up that we could have made

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Everette Brown
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Lawrence Sidbury or Andre Brown
5. Jamon Meredith
6. Coye Francies
7. AQ Shipley
7. Dannell Ellerbe
7. Darry Beckwith

If you think it boils down to just one pick, you're either uninformed, or just being overtly dishonest.

You said "If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed."

It all hinges on that pick. Unless you're going to sit here and tell me that you had someone on your list, OTHER THAN SANCHEZ, that's worth 25-30 million guaranteed.

ChiefRon · 04-26-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Seriously dude. Wow.

Look at the list of picks I drew up that we could have made

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Everette Brown
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Lawrence Sidbury or Andre Brown
5. Jamon Meredith
6. Coye Francies
7. AQ Shipley
7. Dannell Ellerbe
7. Darry Beckwith

If you think it boils down to just one pick, you're either uninformed, or just being overtly dishonest.

Wow. That list is depressing...

ChiefsCountry · 04-26-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I want someone to tell me why I should be happy when the only value pick the Chiefs made was Donald Washington, all of the rest of the guys they took were shit value for their draft slots.

7th round running back wasnt too bad.

ChiefRon · 04-26-2009, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dimitroff was the Patriots DIRECTOR of scouting and look at how he conducted his first offseason:

Franchise QB
Franchise LT
Get a RB to protect the QB

next year

Pass Catching Red Zone threat to help QBs development

Offense is set.

So what do we do?

Penetrating DT
Ball hawking safety
pass rusher
road grader

Nowhere in there did I see Dimitroff needing to completely revamp their scouting department, or taking a pure Patriot approach to drafting. He also didn't scrap what talent he had on D to put a square peg into a round hole and then spent an entire draft burning picks to fit the scheme when the value was elsewhere.

That scouting department excuse is just CYA for Pioli.

Well, that's a good point. I really like what the Falcons are doing.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

7th round running back wasnt too bad.

And that guy has a million carries and there were higher rated RBs available.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	You said Samuel...and anyone who thought they had illusions of playing Milloy and Harrison together always made me laugh. I think playing 2 strong safeties who run at speeds that need a sun dial would have done wonders for their defense.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	No one who is really pissed is pissed because of one pick, it's a culmination of consistently taking bad value round after round.
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04-26-2009, 09:17 PM	#190
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-772950	I want someone to tell me why I should be happy when the only value pick the Chiefs made was Donald Washington, all of the rest of the guys they took were shit value for their draft slots.
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