Steve mcnair is dead

[SLAG]

Onecell right now but they say murder/suicide

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[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Committing adultery among other things = piece of shit person.

Please. People cheat all the time. Most aren't proud of it, but it does not make them a POS person. People sometimes make bad decisions. He certainly did not deserve to die.

[Quiet Storm]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Dane, there are men who spend hours and hours with their kids bullying them, belittling them, humiliating them, abusing them. That is a horrible father. They may never be gone or distracted but their sheer presence is of no use to their kids.

One who is gone all the time or is away and busy with things that are benefiting the family are not necessarily horrible fathers IF the time they spend with the kids is quality time when they are there.

I don't see where McNair has ever been accused of being anything but a good father and that is why this is so shocking. When he was busy with his career or charity is not when he got in trouble.

Bottom line, Whitlock doesn't have kids does he? So I don't really take his view as very credible on this topic until he does.

I read the majority of this thread and I felt compelled to just say that I believe your stance and ideas on this topic are way off. You said that you feel bad for McNair's children. Of course, they just lost their loving father to some crazy biitch whose number one goal in life 'was to be famous.' Some article stated that if SM was not traveling with this bat shit dame, he was with with his kids, or traveling with his kids. I think it's a sin if Steve is remembered this way when so many other athletes get away with it. I am not condoning adultery. Handle the divorce first. However she took the law into her own hands.

She might escape jail but she won't escape hell.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Oh Bahaiis are quite staunch in their faith. I'm not a Bahaii myself, but all the ones I have known are very nice.

http://www.bahai.org/faq/facts/bahai_faith

I agree. Check it out, folks. It's worth a look.

[stevieray]

McNair might've been a great Dad, but he put his kids at risk with his actions...

If she was capable of this, who is to say she wouldn't have killed his family if they were around when she went off the deep end?

[ClevelandBronco]

Of course there's this problem:

"Bernard Lewis states that the Muslim laity and Islamic authorities have always had great difficulty in accommodating post-Islamic monotheistic religions such as the Bahá'í Faith, since the followers of such religions cannot be dismissed either as benighted heathens, like the polytheists of Asia and the animists of Africa, nor as outdated precursors, like the Jews and Christians. Moreover, their very existence presents a challenge to the Islamic doctrine of the perfection and finality of Muhammad's revelation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_Faith

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Uh, yeah. This.

As a whole, I'd agree with Whit.

These days kids are lucky to have one decent parent...

[FAX]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Of course there's this problem:

"Bernard Lewis states that the Muslim laity and Islamic authorities have always had great difficulty in accommodating post-Islamic monotheistic religions such as the Bahá'í Faith, since the followers of such religions cannot be dismissed either as benighted heathens, like the polytheists of Asia and the animists of Africa, nor as outdated precursors, like the Jews and Christians. Moreover, their very existence presents a challenge to the Islamic doctrine of the perfection and finality of Muhammad's revelation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_Faith

Yeah. My understanding (which is admittedly limited in this area) is that the Bahai faith is subject to a few current fatwas (sp?) and is even outlawed in some Arab states. It's a shame, too, since they essentially believe that all religions are based on common principles and the "oneness" of humanity. It's actually a very appealing faith in many ways.

FAX

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Rausch

... These days kids are lucky to have one decent parent...

I couldn't agree more. I just think Whitlock selected the wrong poster boy for this particular cause and in this particular case, though. What a mess.

FAX

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by FAX

I couldn't agree more. I just think Whitlock selected the wrong poster boy for this particular cause and in this particular case, though. What a mess.

FAX

I don't know enough about McNair to argue it either way.

I do know there's a difference between a one time mistake and an affair. Doing something once is a mistake, doing it 100x is a lack of character...

[Ultra Peanut]

Every time I see this thread, it surprises me. I'm like, "Oh my God, WHAT?!" and then it's all, "Right. "

[cdcox]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4313821

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A Tennessee state medical examiner says preliminary testing suggests the deaths of former NFL quarterback Steve McNair and girlfriend Sahel Kazemi were a murder-suicide, The (Nashville) Tennessean reported Wednesday.

Feng Li, an assistant medical examiner who conducted the autopsies, said he will wait for the investigation to be closed before he completes the death certificate. However, he said the initial results point towards that conclusion.

"The results were very consistent in supporting our decision," Li said, according to the report.

Gunshot residue and ballistics testing were also consistent with a ruling of murder-suicide, Li said, according to the report.

"With the lab tests to be obtained combined with the autopsy findings, we will put a final opinion on the death certificate," Li said, according to the report.

McNair and Kazemi were found shot to death Saturday. Tennessee's state medical examiner had said investigators had been hesitant to conclude that Kazemi killed the three-time Pro Bowl quarterback and herself because she didn't appear to have a motive, but that murder-suicide is the most likely scenario.

Police have already ruled McNair's death a homicide.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

"Bernard Lewis states that the Muslim laity and Islamic authorities have always had great difficulty in accommodating post-Islamic monotheistic religions such as the Bahá'í Faith,

That's because it flies into the face of one of the most pivotal muslim teachings, that Muhammad was the LAST of the major prophets and the FINISHER of the word of God. Abraham, Noah (I think), Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad are all major Muslim prophets with Muhammad completing God's message to mankind.

[the Talking Can]

reporting right now that she shot him while he was asleep

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

reporting right now that she shot him while he was asleep

Also that she was suicidal and talking about it for 5-7 days before the murder. She shot him twice in the head and then twice in the chest when he was asleep. He had no chance to fight back or know what was about to happen...

[Kerberos]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

reporting right now that she shot him while he was asleep

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4313821

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Former NFL star Steve McNair was shot dead in his sleep last week by a 20-year-old girlfriend distraught about mounting financial problems and her belief that he was seeing someone else, police said Wednesday.

Investigators may never know why Kazemi shot McNair four times as he dozed on a sofa early Saturday before turning the gun on herself, Police Chief Ronal Serpas said


But interviews with friends revealed that she was making payments on two cars, her rent was doubling and she suspected the married McNair was having a second affair with another young woman.

She told a friend on Friday that "My life is a ball of s--- and I should end it," Serpas said.

Police earlier had labeled McNair's death a homicide, but waited for further tests and the revelations about Kazemi's personal problems before concluding that she pulled the trigger in a condominium McNair rented with a friend

We do know that she was clearly sending a message during the last five to seven days of her life that things were going bad quickly," Serpas said, though there was no indication she told anyone she planned to harm McNair.

Serpas said detectives learned that Kazemi recently found out about another young woman she thought McNair was romantically involved with and had even followed that woman home, though she did not confront her.

Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep when he was killed because there were no defensive wounds. After shooting McNair in the head, Kazemi apparently shot him twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head and then shooting herself. The gun was found underneath her.

She sat next to his body and tried to position herself to fall into his lap when she died. She did, but her body slid to the floor and ended up at McNair's feet, Serpas said. The gun was found underneath her.

Kazemi's family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with him.

But associate Mike Mu, who has worked with McNair's charitable association for years, said McNair's wife, Mechelle McNair, "didn't know who this girl is." No records of divorce proceedings have surfaced.

Two days before the shooting, police stopped Kazemi driving the Cadillac Escalade sport utility vehicle that McNair had given her for her birthday in May.

According to an arrest affidavit, Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and alcohol on her breath. She refused a breath test and told an officer "she was not drunk, she was high." She was charged with DUI. McNair was with her but not charged. He later made her bail.

Serpas said that even though both her name and McNair's were on the Cadillac's title, she was apparently responsible for making payments. She was also making payments on another car after she couldn't sell it.