Chiefs Top 10: Regrettable NFL Offseason Decisions - Page 12

Pneuma · 08-26-2009, 02:11 PM

No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for.

Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law.

The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html

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While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.

WilliamTheIrish · 08-27-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly as I called it just after the trade.

The excuses have already started.

Everyone is getting them ready early, that way when we go 3-13 all the blame is deflected away from the supposed franchise QB.

I noticed this very phenom in the Sanchez' vs Ravens thread. When Sanchez threw that wrongway pick/td the excuse I heard was: "Well... the Ravens will do that to a lot of teams this season".

The excuses for the franchise QB in NY from CP have started too.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-27-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

I noticed this very phenom in the Sanchez' vs Ravens thread. When Sanchez threw that wrongway pick/td the excuse I heard was: "Well... the Ravens will do that to a lot of teams this season".

The excuses for the franchise QB in NY from CP have started too.

And what's wrong with that comment?

I don't care who it is, I expect a rookie to struggle a bit in his 2nd preseason game against the best defense in the league, on the road.

All we heard about the Cassel deal is how he had more experience, and would be better suited to play with limited weapons and behind a bad OL. How we'd ruin a draft pick at QB. Cassel's a veteran, has experience, so on, and so forth.

Sorry, but people did it to themselves claiming that Cassel is a franchise QB without the risk of a draft pick.

Can't have it both ways.

veist · 08-27-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And what's wrong with that comment?

I don't care who it is, I expect a rookie to struggle a bit in his 2nd preseason game against the best defense in the league, on the road.

All we heard about the Cassel deal is how he had more experience, and would be better suited to play with limited weapons and behind a bad OL. How we'd ruin a draft pick at QB. Cassel's a veteran, has experience, so on, and so forth.

Sorry, but people did it to themselves claiming that Cassel is a franchise QB without the risk of a draft pick.

Can't have it both ways.

Someone actually made that claim? lol

Chief Faithful · 08-27-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

Personally, I don't really care who did the trade etc. I just care about what I saw of the player while he was playing football. You have a pair of eyes. Use them. Stop playing "the greater guru I'm parroting knows better than the guru you are parroting." How could anyone question the great Super Bowl coach Dick Vermeil for cutting undrafted OG Ryan Lilja.... unless you actually watched Lilja and noticed he was extremely good. If I came here to Chiefs Planet and told everyone here the Chiefs were really stupid to cut Lilja the day they did, how many responses would have told me that Vermeil "knows better than you!!!" ??????

Cassel is not going to escape sacks like Big Ben and he does not have a "gun" beyond about 25 yards for a "zipped" pass. Cutler can zip it 45 yards - Jamarcus about 55. If the defense knows the QB has a limited ability to zip a ball down the field, the strategy then becomes to bait him to try, which, as the "play by play" from last year suggests, he didn't... because not every NFL team had that figured out properly. They will eventually.

n0ob, you picked a bad example. It is obvious you were not here the day Lilja was cut.

TFG · 08-27-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

n0ob, you picked a bad example. It is obvious you were not here the day Lilja was cut.

Glad to hear there were those questioning the cut. Figures that the K-State kid would have some fans watching... even if some were scouts from the Colts...

chiefzilla1501 · 08-27-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

Pats with starting QB = 16 wins
Pats with backup QB = 11 wins, no playoffs

Matt Cassel was a backup at USC for a reason. The reason is that he really does not have a strong arm. Cassel floats anything more than 25 yards or so. Good thing the Chiefs don't have any "deep threats" because they would be "decoys." Cassel is smart, has a reasonably quick release, and is better than most NFL backup QBs. The way to stop Cassel is to play tight, safeties up, jump routes, and dare him to throw it deep, because he can't zip a deep ball. Even the Raiders will eventually figure it out...

I don't get the segway.

You're comparing Cassel to a hall-of-fame QB and arguably the best QB of his generation. And you're implying that he's backup material because he won a "measley" 11 games and didn't win all 16 games?

Pretty harsh stuff for a guy making his first ever starts in the NFL.

I've seen nothing that leads me to believe Cassel throws a lousy deep ball. He has to work on his accuracy, but the arm strength is fine. The deep ball is by far the most overrated element of a player's game. Can Cassel zip a 50 yarder? No. Can he zip a 20-yarder? Yes.

Even Peyton and Brees throw good not great deep balls.

**SAUTO** · 08-27-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't get the segway.

You're comparing Cassel to a hall-of-fame QB and arguably the best QB of his generation. And you're implying that he's backup material because he won a "measley" 11 games and didn't win all 16 games?

Pretty harsh stuff for a guy making his first ever starts in the NFL.

I've seen nothing that leads me to believe Cassel throws a lousy deep ball. He has to work on his accuracy, but the arm strength is fine. The deep ball is by far the most overrated element of a player's game. Can Cassel zip a 50 yarder? No. Can he zip a 20-yarder? Yes.

Even Peyton and Brees throw good not great deep balls.

to me it's also funny when people bash him for sitting behind 2 heisman winners in college.

TFG · 08-27-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't get the segway.

You're comparing Cassel to a hall-of-fame QB and arguably the best QB of his generation. And you're implying that he's backup material because he won a "measley" 11 games and didn't win all 16 games?

Pretty harsh stuff for a guy making his first ever starts in the NFL.

I've seen nothing that leads me to believe Cassel throws a lousy deep ball. He has to work on his accuracy, but the arm strength is fine. The deep ball is by far the most overrated element of a player's game. Can Cassel zip a 50 yarder? No. Can he zip a 20-yarder? Yes.

Even Peyton and Brees throw good not great deep balls.

I love that "he won" 11 games. Nobody else on the Pats mattered at all. Those 11 wins were 100% Cassel.

Brees' arm has gotten stronger since his first few years in SD, but he doesn't have a good deep ball. Brees has about 30-35 yards of range on zipped balls. Brees is super smart, accurate, and throws 50 times a game. He isn't a HOF caliber QB and never will be, and he is overrated because he puts up "big numbers" by throwing 50 times a game and stat parrots and fantasy people love him because of that. Truth be told, good defenses that press Brees really handle the Saints no matter how many yards and scores the Saints get in the meaningless Q4 against prevent. Cassel's "ceiling" is lower, and Brees is about 10 years ahead in net starting experience spotting four at Purdue. Peyton throws excellent deep balls. Peyton is a HOF QB. Brees is a wannabe who only impresses with stats other than wins.

The deep ball is not the most overrated part of the game. Fear of the deep ball causes the D to keep the safeties back, away from the LOS. If the opposing D loses that fear, watch it. For a great example, look at the Titan loss to SD in the playoffs two years ago. SD had nobody on D more than 5 yards off the LOS, because they had no fear of the Titan downfield passing attack, because there was no reason to fear it... and down went the Titans.

To have a ground game in the NFL, the defense must first fear the pass and defend the pass by not stacking the LOS...

Titty Meat · 08-27-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

Pats with starting QB = 16 wins
Pats with backup QB = 11 wins, no playoffs

Matt Cassel was a backup at USC for a reason. The reason is that he really does not have a strong arm. Cassel floats anything more than 25 yards or so. Good thing the Chiefs don't have any "deep threats" because they would be "decoys." Cassel is smart, has a reasonably quick release, and is better than most NFL backup QBs. The way to stop Cassel is to play tight, safeties up, jump routes, and dare him to throw it deep, because he can't zip a deep ball. Even the Raiders will eventually figure it out...

WTF. Comparing the 2007 Patriots to the 2008 Patriots is apple to oranges. Did you watch any of the Patriots games? Cassel wasn't the reason they lost most of those games so shut your cum dump.

KChiefs1 · 08-27-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

1 and 1a the chiefs don't draft sanchez

We'll be able to tell pretty quickly on this one.

Cassel or Sanchez?

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-27-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

WTF. Comparing the 2007 Patriots to the 2008 Patriots is apple to oranges. Did you watch any of the Patriots games? Cassel wasn't the reason they lost most of those games so shut your cum dump.

Brady is clearly better and everyone knows that, but you are right it is a HORRIBLE comparison. That team wasn't going 16-0 again.

TFG · 08-27-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Brady is clearly better and everyone knows that, but you are right it is a HORRIBLE comparison. That team wasn't going 16-0 again.

Ah yes, the "you can't say anything bad about our team" deal. Got it. Still waiting for a clip of a deep throw by Cassel that isn't a floater...

The opportunity cost of Cassel and converting to the 3-4 given the personnel on the roster and hence spending 1st and 3rd on 3-4 DLs is a pretty sorry score so far. Scott Pioli has had his first offseaon, and the Chiefs still have a sorry OL and a lame pass rush. The season may prove me wrong, but I'd give Pioli a flat "F" so far. Oh, but you have Matt Cassel to enjoy the fruits of that OL. Sanchez has better pass protection and a better set of skill players, but don't let that stop the "QB and only the QB wins the game crowd" from comparing the two. Craig Krenzel started off 3-0 for da Bears... a lock for the HOF for sure...

**SAUTO** · 08-27-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

Ah yes, the "you can't say anything bad about our team" deal. Got it. Still waiting for a clip of a deep throw by Cassel that isn't a floater...

The opportunity cost of Cassel and converting to the 3-4 given the personnel on the roster and hence spending 1st and 3rd on 3-4 DLs is a pretty sorry score so far. Scott Pioli has had his first offseaon, and the Chiefs still have a sorry OL and a lame pass rush. The season may prove me wrong, but I'd give Pioli a flat "F" so far. Oh, but you have Matt Cassel to enjoy the fruits of that OL. Sanchez has better pass protection and a better set of skill players, but don't let that stop the "QB and only the QB wins the game crowd" from comparing the two. Craig Krenzel started off 3-0 for da Bears... a lock for the HOF for sure...

the thigpen and cassel bashers are the ones who act like "the qb and only the qb wins the game"

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-27-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

Ah yes, the "you can't say anything bad about our team" deal. Got it. Still waiting for a clip of a deep throw by Cassel that isn't a floater...

The opportunity cost of Cassel and converting to the 3-4 given the personnel on the roster and hence spending 1st and 3rd on 3-4 DLs is a pretty sorry score so far. Scott Pioli has had his first offseaon, and the Chiefs still have a sorry OL and a lame pass rush. The season may prove me wrong, but I'd give Pioli a flat "F" so far. Oh, but you have Matt Cassel to enjoy the fruits of that OL. Sanchez has better pass protection and a better set of skill players, but don't let that stop the "QB and only the QB wins the game crowd" from comparing the two. Craig Krenzel started off 3-0 for da Bears... a lock for the HOF for sure...

Your and idiot

Titty Meat · 08-27-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

Ah yes, the "you can't say anything bad about our team" deal. Got it. Still waiting for a clip of a deep throw by Cassel that isn't a floater...

The opportunity cost of Cassel and converting to the 3-4 given the personnel on the roster and hence spending 1st and 3rd on 3-4 DLs is a pretty sorry score so far. Scott Pioli has had his first offseaon, and the Chiefs still have a sorry OL and a lame pass rush. The season may prove me wrong, but I'd give Pioli a flat "F" so far. Oh, but you have Matt Cassel to enjoy the fruits of that OL. Sanchez has better pass protection and a better set of skill players, but don't let that stop the "QB and only the QB wins the game crowd" from comparing the two. Craig Krenzel started off 3-0 for da Bears... a lock for the HOF for sure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHFEdh8jjiU

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08-26-2009, 02:11 PM
Pneuma Titles Suck Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $9788321	Top 10: Regrettable NFL Offseason Decisions No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for. Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law. The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt. He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon. http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html ___________________ While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.
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