Chiefs Tyler Bray > Geno Smith - Page 16

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-24-2013, 08:03 PM

...B-U-S-T, Bust Bust Bust Bust!

okcchief · 08-31-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I think he meant 'put trust in'.

Of course.

Marcellus · 08-31-2013, 09:53 AM

There seems to already be a shit ton of backpedaling on Geno Smith by the diehards already.

Fat Elvis · 08-31-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Except that it wasn't a first and a third. 2.1 is not 1, no matter how many times some people insist that it is.

I don't know why people can't understand this....

Fat Elvis · 08-31-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

If he went to a school with ANY coaching at all, AND I MEAN ANY COACHING, he is ~~a first rounder.~~ the first overall pick in this last draft.

FYP

Saccopoo · 08-31-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

I wouldn't have given up 2 -2nds for Smith. I felt like it was too much. However, after a day of sulking I realized I loved the GM and coaching hires and would defer to them. We have a stop gap QB for 2-2nds. We have an UDFA to develop that looks more promising at the moment than the player most wanted to spend the 1.1 on. So in the end you spend 2-2nds to get your immediate and long term solution. Not how we'd draw it up, but I'll ****ing take. Be competitive now while providing hope for the future. Seems like the franchise is on the rise for the first time in a long time

Some of you people Just. Don't. Get. It.

Two seconds are nothing. Zilch. Zippo. They are unproven rookies that may or may not pan out. I'll take a proven NFL caliber QB in his prime over two second round potentials any day of the week.

And Alex Smith is not Matt Cassel. He is a guy that is a league leader in QB rating, passing efficiency, YPA, accuracy, etc. He is a guy who should have been a two time starting Super Bowl QB if not for a couple of special teams fumbles and a minor injury that led to a coaching decision.

This is a QB who our new coach, who has taken (imo lesser talented teams) to the NFC championship game multiple times, thinks is the best fit for his system and has attempted to get said QB numerous times, even prior to his arrival in KC. (And I can most assuredly tell you that this coach has done a lot more with a lot less than Alex Smith.)

If you think that Alex Smith is a "stop gap," you have absolutely zero knowledge of football. If you think he's a Cassel v.2, you have absolutely zero knowledge of football. If you think Bray is even remotely ready to play in the NFL, you have zero knowledge of football.

Alex Smith is a five year minimum, eight year maximum level starter from this point forward. If he's able to perform at even 80% of the level that he did in 2011 and 2012, the trade was an complete steal for the Chiefs.

Who in the hell do you think you are going to get in the second round that is going to be a bigger contributor to this team than a starting five to eight year NFL QB? Let me tell you - nobody.

And I was definitely in the "draft Geno" camp. Shit, I was starting the bonfire and handing out the smores nearly every single night over the past year plus.

But it didn't happen and it's time to move on and look at the complete picture objectively. And, objectively, Alex Smith was, hands down, the best QB that the Chiefs could have landed in either free agency or in the draft. That is, in and of itself, worth a second round pick. If he gets the Chiefs into the playoffs and actually wins a game, it's a complete steal. Two frickin' second rounders. For a starting QB? Pfffftt.

ChiefsCountry · 08-31-2013, 10:19 AM

If Alex Smith was a true legit franchise quarterback, he would have commanded a first round pick and we would have been happy to give it.

ChiefaRoo · 08-31-2013, 10:25 AM

Maybe Tyler can take the extra year of down time and get that fooked up tattoo on his back fixed. I heard he spelled his name wrong anyways.

You guys are more desperate for a QB than GoChiefs at the Houston "My Little Pony" Gay Bar at closing time.

Saccopoo · 08-31-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If Alex Smith was a true legit franchise quarterback, he would have commanded a first round pick and we would have been happy to give it.

Then consider John Dorsey and Andy Reid ****ing magicians, because that's what they got and only gave up a couple of seconds, which, if the Chiefs perform to the level which they are capable of, should be late mid-round picks.

Like I said, a freaking steal and some of you people just bitch and moan and whine about the trade like we gave away all of your first borns.

The best QB available in either the draft or free agency and we gave up two mid to late round seconds for that? We should be cleaning Dorsey's underwear with our tongues in gratitude for the gift he has given this franchise.

Mr_Tomahawk · 08-31-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Maybe Tyler can take the extra year of down time and get that fooked up tattoo on his back fixed. I heard he spelled his name wrong anyways.

You guys are more desperate for a QB than GoChiefs at the Houston "My Little Pony" Gay Bar at closing time.

K

ChiefsCountry · 08-31-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Then consider John Dorsey and Andy Reid ****ing magicians, because that's what they got and only gave up a couple of seconds, which, if the Chiefs perform to the level which they are capable of, should be late mid-round picks.

Like I said, a freaking steal and some of you people just bitch and moan and whine about the trade like we gave away all of your first borns.

The best QB available in either the draft or free agency and we gave up two mid to late round seconds for that? We should be cleaning Dorsey's underwear with our tongues in gratitude for the gift he has given this franchise.

Wipe the Utah Ute jizz off your face. Alex Smith was not worth jack shit on the open market and we took it up the ass in that trade.

Saccopoo · 08-31-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Wipe the Utah Ute jizz off your face. Alex Smith was not worth jack shit on the open market and we took it up the ass in that trade.

What do you want to bet that in four years/seasons Smith has a better cumulative performance than the two draft picks we gave up?

And it has nothing to do with Utah Slick. It's about getting the best possible QB for the team and system. We did that.

I'm sorry if you are all ****ing butthurt about this team getting the best possible QB in either the draft or free agency this off-season. I understand that some of you ****ing pessimistic malcontents can't be happy unless we draft guys like Andrew Luck and Jadeveon Clowney every single year, thus you constantly live a downtrodden, unfulfilled life, but I'd rather look at this objectively versus whatever ****ing fantasy world you wake up to every morning as a delusional, misguided Chiefs fan.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-31-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

There seems to already be a shit ton of backpedaling on Geno Smith by the diehards already.

No.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Then consider John Dorsey and Andy Reid ****ing magicians, because that's what they got and only gave up a

Yeah! No.

Red Gorilla · 08-31-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If Alex Smith was a true legit franchise quarterback, he would have commanded a first round pick and we would have been happy to give it.

Look at the teams that needed a QB. All of them were picking in the top 10. They weren't going to get a first. Also, SF had so many draft picks to begin with that they needed to make some cap room. That isn't a realistic post imo.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Some of you people Just. Don't. Get. It.

Your whole post was a really good one.

Mr. Laz · 08-31-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

Except that it wasn't a first and a third. 2.1 is not 1, no matter how many times some people insist that it is.

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I don't know why people can't understand this....

because changing the name doesn't change the value

You can call it whatever you want, but we gave the 34th pick of the draft + a 2nd/3rd round condition pick for a guy sitting on the bench.

If Alex Smith is anything other than a true franchise level QB then we got bent over the trade desk.

Then that dumbass Dorsey traded a corner back for a fullback.

Who the **** trades a high value position like corner back for a position that has almost been phased out of the NFL completely? I don't care if that corner back is the dime back, it's still worth more than a fullback.

**Mav** · 08-31-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

I can not argue this at all. If Alex does NOTHING in this town but be a great teacher and mentor for Bray, it was worth it.

WHOA WHOA WHOA.......

Hmmmm, you used to destroy me for this view mister.

Glad you came around......

Alex, place holder, wont make mistakes, will groom the qbotf while helping the Chiefs win now, blah blah blah?

Ring a bell mister.....

Not great, average player, great teacher will prolly make a great coach?

lol, how far we have come sweet daddy D

08-24-2013, 08:03 PM
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