Chiefs Dorsey sucks - Page 11

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 11:08 AM

Plain and simple.

Another bust of a DT

JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker?

Yeah

Not even close.

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Too many people are focused on the coaching. That's the problem.

they think everything is coaching. yeah coaching is part of it don't get me wrong. Im not a fan of Krumrie, gunther, and Herm.

Of course, and I heard many times, well Brodie Croyle can't succeed with this coaching staff? Yeah well its him too. He can't stay healthy.

yeah, coaching makes NO difference (oh, sorry. I now see how you said it's a 'part')

coaching is the difference between a team that 'somehow' drafts only defensive line 'gems' in the first few rounds (patriots) and a team that apparently can't draft defensive linemen for SHIT in the first few rounds (chiefs)

coaching is the difference between a young, hyped OLB developing and a young hyped OLB regressing (derrick johnson)

coaching is why siavii, freeman, sims, and maybe (mcbride, tyler, and dorsey) are looked at as busts (mcbride, tyler, and dorsey, admittadely, are only really called busts by idjits)

coaching is the difference between a guy who dominates in college (dorsey) and a struggling rookie who apparently only has ONE passrushing move.

coaching is playing guys out of position (tyler and dorsey)

coaching is playing a piece of shit (mcintosh) and maybe letting a young/talented guy get a shot

yeah. coaching makes NO difference. I mean, yeah, I guess there's no reason that the good coaches get paid better than the bad coaches. if coaching made no difference, they'd all get paid the same.

dude, seriously. stop digging the hole.

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I know it may be early...but honestly i really dont like what i see in him. He is not showing any signs of progress, he gets pushed back quite a bit and often. I dont see him using any moves, its just pure raw straight bull rush 90% of the time. He lacks explosion BIGTIME. that is coming off the ball.

His footwork is absolutely terrible.

Lack or explosion and bad footwork=death for any lineman

wait--FOOTWORK. a position coach has NO reason to help a guy out with his footwork, correct? ****. coaching means NOTHING

Chiefnj2 · 11-24-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

yeah, coaching makes NO difference (oh, sorry. I now see how you said it's a 'part')

coaching is the difference between a team that 'somehow' drafts only defensive line 'gems' in the first few rounds (patriots) and a team that apparently can't draft defensive linemen for SHIT in the first few rounds (chiefs)

coaching is the difference between a young, hyped OLB developing and a young hyped OLB regressing (derrick johnson)

coaching is why siavii, freeman, sims, and maybe (mcbride, tyler, and dorsey) are looked at as busts (mcbride, tyler, and dorsey, admittadely, are only really called busts by idjits)

coaching is the difference between a guy who dominates in college (dorsey) and a struggling rookie who apparently only has ONE passrushing move.

coaching is playing guys out of position (tyler and dorsey)

coaching is playing a piece of shit (mcintosh) and maybe letting a young/talented guy get a shot

yeah. coaching makes NO difference. I mean, yeah, I guess there's no reason that the good coaches get paid better than the bad coaches. if coaching made no difference, they'd all get paid the same.

dude, seriously. stop digging the hole.

Guinta couldn't do anything with KCs secondary, with the Giants he looks great.

The same guy who developed Eli and Romo also "developed" Carr and Couch.

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

*I don't consider Dorsey raw. He needs to do something that can improve on his technique, but I really think he is gonna need a great off-season workout going for him or something in order for himself to make strides.

coaching won't help this. guys miraculously get better, they shouldn't even ****ing pay the coaches. right? right?

EyePod · 11-24-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What's truly concerning to me is he's not improving as the year goes on.

I know the curve is big, and he'll likely snap out of it, but this guy was said to be the most NFL ready DT since Sapp. We all bought that hype.

I'm not saying he sucks yet, but he has a long, long way to go.

Sapp's Stats

YEAR	TEAM	G	TOT	SOLO	AST	PD	SACK	FF	REC	INT	YDS	TD
1995	TAM	16	26	16	10	5	3.0	1	0	1	5	1

Glenn Dorsey Stats

YEAR	TEAM	G	TOT	SOLO	AST	PD	SACK	FF	REC	INT	YDS	TD
2008	KAN	11	30	25	5	0	1.0	1	0	0	0	0

So he has more tackles, a few less sacks, needs an int.... Ummm
These are actually pretty solid stats for a rookie D-Tackle, and Dorsey has 5 more games left. I agree that he isn't as influential as Sapp was his rookie season, but I also thought that Matt Ryan would be terrible, so what do I know.

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

He needs a Dline coach to help teach him that too.

but coaching isn't everything. coaching won't help dorsey. FLAIL FLAIL, OMG, TEH FIRST ROUND BUST! ROOKIE BUST! OMGZ

Sure-Oz · 11-24-2008, 02:32 PM

Who did Sapp have around him his rookie year?

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Guinta couldn't do anything with KCs secondary, with the Giants he looks great.

The same guy who developed Eli and Romo also "developed" Carr and Couch.

depends on how you define 'great'

in 2007, they were 11th against the pass (giants). his secondaries ALSO benefit(ted) by having a tremendous pass rush ahead of them. you give some of those chiefs teams strahan, tuck and umenyiora, and I guarantee they're ranked higher than they ended up being ranked.

oh, and he had robinson to contend with in KC and an atmosphere of '**** defense.' he has one of, if not THE, best defensive coordinators in football in new york. you may have heard of him? steve spagnuola.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-24-2008, 02:34 PM

Your football knowledge knows no bounds...

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-24-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

some people are idiots

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Yeah i've heard that numerous times. I dont buy it.

ChiefsCountry · 11-24-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Who did Sapp have around him his rookie year?

Santana Dotson, Brad Culpepper and Chidi Ahanotu.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

wait--FOOTWORK. a position coach has NO reason to help a guy out with his footwork, correct? ****. coaching means NOTHING

whos job is it to demonstrate that on the field? The player.

A coach can advise him, but it's the players responsibility to work and practice what he needs to do to improve.

Ebolapox · 11-24-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Santana Dotson, Brad Culpepper and Chidi Ahanotu.

tell me that wasn't from your memory. if it was, impressive recollection.

I remember ahonotu and dotson. they were decent to good. culpepper I don't remember, and I'm not motivated enough to check the google and find out.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-24-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I believe in improvement as the season goes on. Is he showing it this year as the season goes? no.

They drafted him to be the centerpiece of the Dline, and the Dline is the worst Ive seen it. Not only the worst but the possibly the worst ever? That says enough right there.

OMG You obtuse, reeruned chimp. Would you just look at the damn stats people are posting. Thats all you need to know.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

coaching won't help this. guys miraculously get better, they shouldn't even ****ing pay the coaches. right? right?

It's his job to review film of himself, and see where he needs to improve. And practice upon it.

Great players do it all the time. Coaches can advise, and guide. As far as the training programs go, he can hire his own trainer to help in that regard..or have him design an offseason workout program what he needs to do?

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