Chiefs I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. - Page 5

Chris Meck · 03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

McBride plays the run well and that's all he'd be asked to do.

Agreed. The other thing McBride does a real good job of is driving blockers back. In a 3-4, he'd not only be a guy who helps in run support, but also a guy who can engage blockers and open up lanes for LBs to run through. And he'd be great at that. In fact, I think it's a much more natural fit for him.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Tell me why Turk will be so bad as a 3-4 end.

Undersized and not that strong.

crazycoffey · 03-06-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

He's a 2nd round bust, Hali is a 1st round bust, Pollard is a 2nd round bust. Hmm there seems to be a theme.

Do you all think Tank Tyler will be good in the 3-4 too?

starting NT with three sacks in two games....

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blick

He has the strength to be a solid rotational nose tackle.

Agreed. He doesn't have the stamina to play every down, but I think he could do okay in that role if he put on some pounds. He also could end up being a decent DE.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

He led the team in sacks two years ago. He had eight sacks the year before last.

He struggled last year. Why? Well, I think there were a ton of reasons. #1) He switched positions. #2) He was injured a good part of the year and didn't take time off to let it heal like he should have. #3) The Chiefs didn't have a threat on the other side at all and the QB could just roll away from him.

Hali isn't Jared Allen. He isn't a Hall of Famer. But, he is a legit starter on most teams in the NFL.

Even if he doesn't fit here as an OLB, he will be a full time starter at DE here or somewhere else.

I think you are misguided about Hali.

Thinking about playing Hali at OLB is suicidal. A colossal disaster waiting to happen.

1. I agree that Hali was out of position to begin the season. No question about this.
2. The quarterback rolling away from Hali had little to do with his lack of production. He was manhandled the entire season, no matter run or pass.
3. If he starts to look like an ascending player and we learn his struggles were indeed due to injury, I'll eat my appropriate serving of crow. I won't be hard to find and I won't dodge the abuse.

I think Hali struggles because he lacks the necessary explosion, overall speed, strength, etc. In short, he's a max-effort guy who lacks the type of elite athleticism necessary to be an impact player.

I give him credit for being an NFL player, just not one you'd be happy having drafted in round 1.

bdeg · 03-06-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

He's slow & stupid. Thats not the Patriot way

3-4 ends don't have to be fast and I dont think his intelligence has ever been questioned.

He may be a bit undersized though.

Pioli Zombie · 03-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Its not Hooey. It might be Dewey or Looie. But its not Hooey.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

He's a 2nd round bust, Hali is a 1st round bust, Pollard is a 2nd round bust. Hmm there seems to be a theme.

Do you all think Tank Tyler will be good in the 3-4 too?

Up till now, you are right, McBride has been a bust. However, I believe that it is because he was asked to play out of position.

Now, as for Pollard, I think you are incorrect. I think he has been an 'okay' pick. Not 'great' not horrible.

I think Hali was a good pick that had an off year.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Jesus Christ you moron. Normally I don't attack people but you will not stop with your endless stream of ****ing stupid football opinions.

The front seven is DEVOID OF ****ING TALENT.

WAKE THE **** UP.

We don't know about Dorsey, yet.

Though this point is likely moot in the 3-4.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Up till now, you are right, McBride has been a bust. However, I believe that it is because he was asked to play out of position.

He's played 3 spots on the line.

Is he a cornerback? Jesus Christ.

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Now, as for Pollard, I think you are incorrect. I think he has been an 'okay' pick. Not 'great' not horrible.

"okay" picks don't suck at tackling

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I think Hali was a good pick that had an off year.

I think you're the dumbest fan on this board.

bdeg · 03-06-2009, 01:14 PM

Claythan, think about a player having to learn 3 different positions in the NFL. That would slow him down too.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Claythan, think about a player having to learn 3 different positions in the NFL. That would slow him down too.

If you have to keep trying to move a guy, you have two options:

1. The coaches are dumb as ****.
2. Player doesn't have a position. A suck shit tweener.

In McBride's case, I vote for all of the above.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Claythan, think about a player having to learn 3 different positions in the NFL. That would slow him down too.

Good defensive ends can do it in their sleep. Mario Williams played at least 2 positions on Houston's shit line, maybe 3, and ****ing kicked ass.

Stop making excuses for these shitty, shitty players. Herm is gone, now we have to hear from the ****ING FANS about how these SHITTY, SHITTY PLAYERS are worth a shit.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I don't give a shit about 40 times.

Watch a game some time. Hali gets outrun by quarterbacks.

Most DE's will if they don't have some pressure coming from the other side to keep the QB in the pocket.

Yet, he is able to make so many tackles down field. Hmm...

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Most DE's will if they don't have some pressure coming from the other side to keep the QB in the pocket.

LOL...no. Just...no.

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1445090	I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. I really don't think we're going to a 3-4. I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him. We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot. We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky. We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for. We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby. I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any. I think people are grasping at straws.
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Its not Hooey. It might be Dewey or Looie. But its not Hooey.
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bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Claythan, think about a player having to learn 3 different positions in the NFL. That would slow him down too.
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