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Old 04-26-2009, 08:39 PM   #1
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Ok but I don't wanna hear this argument that NE doesn't have stars and they have the right players...

Anyone who doesn't think NE is loaded with star power and top of the line players isn't playing with a full deck.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:44 PM   #2
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Ok but I don't wanna hear this argument that NE doesn't have stars and they have the right players...

Anyone who doesn't think NE is loaded with star power and top of the line players isn't playing with a full deck.
How many teams have no stars at all? The Patriots won the 2001 Super Bowl with only 3 Pro Bowlers on the roster, as I recall.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:00 PM   #3
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How many teams have no stars at all? The Patriots won the 2001 Super Bowl with only 3 Pro Bowlers on the roster, as I recall.
And Brady, Light, Seymour, Vrabel, Bruschi, Milloy, and Woody would all go to Pro Bowls shortly thereafter.

It wasn't like they had 3 high quality players, and that's it.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:08 PM   #4
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And Brady, Light, Seymour, Vrabel, Bruschi, Milloy, and Woody would all go to Pro Bowls shortly thereafter.

It wasn't like they had 3 high quality players, and that's it.
You just keep changing the parameters to suit your will, so trying to talk rationally about this with you is just a waste of time.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:15 PM   #5
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You just keep changing the parameters to suit your will, so trying to talk rationally about this with you is just a waste of time.
I'm not changing any parameters. They had 3 guys who made the 2001 Pro Bowl. They had about 10 guys who would were Pro Bowlers starting on that team. It's dishonest to talk about that 2001 team as totally bereft of talent. It was anything but.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:23 PM   #6
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I'm not changing any parameters. They had 3 guys who made the 2001 Pro Bowl. They had about 10 guys who would were Pro Bowlers starting on that team. It's dishonest to talk about that 2001 team as totally bereft of talent. It was anything but.
No team is totally bereft of talent. People were insisting that Brady was just a game manager and the team was full of old players who were past their prime. It's a one year snapshot, not a long range argument. It had 3 Pro Bowlers as I recall: Brown, Brady and Law.
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:53 PM   #7
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Ok but I don't wanna hear this argument that NE doesn't have stars and they have the right players...

Anyone who doesn't think NE is loaded with star power and top of the line players isn't playing with a full deck.
I agree, no question. But were they ALL Stars, prior to being drafted? Or, did a lot of them thrive with the Patriots?

Believe me, I have more than a few reservatioons about this draft. I am just trying to understand why they did, what they did.

I don't think they are stupid, or uninformed, do you?
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:56 PM   #8
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I agree, no question. But were they ALL Stars, prior to being drafted? Or, did a lot of them thrive with the Patriots?

Believe me, I have more than a few reservatioons about this draft. I am just trying to understand why they did, what they did.

I don't think they are stupid, or uninformed, do you?
Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:02 PM   #9
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Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.
The famous Ron Borges quote:

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Old 04-26-2009, 09:04 PM   #10
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The famous Ron Borges quote:
And everyone who follows the NFL knows that Ron Borges is a ****ing reerun.

Your point?
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Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.
If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:09 PM   #12
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If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed.
It's easy to see why you're upset. You narrowed this entire draft down to one player and we didn't take him.

I get it, I really do. I just can't bring myself to get all worked up about it.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:14 PM   #13
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It's easy to see why you're upset. You narrowed this entire draft down to one player and we didn't take him.

I get it, I really do. I just can't bring myself to get all worked up about it.
Seriously dude. Wow.

Look at the list of picks I drew up that we could have made

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Everette Brown
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Lawrence Sidbury or Andre Brown
5. Jamon Meredith
6. Coye Francies
7. AQ Shipley
7. Dannell Ellerbe
7. Darry Beckwith

If you think it boils down to just one pick, you're either uninformed, or just being overtly dishonest.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:17 PM   #14
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Seriously dude. Wow.

Look at the list of picks I drew up that we could have made

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Everette Brown
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Lawrence Sidbury or Andre Brown
5. Jamon Meredith
6. Coye Francies
7. AQ Shipley
7. Dannell Ellerbe
7. Darry Beckwith

If you think it boils down to just one pick, you're either uninformed, or just being overtly dishonest.
You said "If he turns into Ty Warren, it's not a good pick. It's not horrible, but I'm sorry, you don't give Ty Warren 25-30 million guaranteed."

It all hinges on that pick. Unless you're going to sit here and tell me that you had someone on your list, OTHER THAN SANCHEZ, that's worth 25-30 million guaranteed.
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Old 04-26-2009, 09:17 PM   #15
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Seriously dude. Wow.

Look at the list of picks I drew up that we could have made

1. Mark Sanchez
2. Everette Brown
3. Jarron Gilbert
4. Lawrence Sidbury or Andre Brown
5. Jamon Meredith
6. Coye Francies
7. AQ Shipley
7. Dannell Ellerbe
7. Darry Beckwith

If you think it boils down to just one pick, you're either uninformed, or just being overtly dishonest.
Wow. That list is depressing...
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