New Conference re-alignment thread

[Raiderhater]

It said "another school beyond the 4 corners."

So it wouldn't be Oregon State or Washington State because neither offer any value.

California and Stanford also isn't any good either.

So it's either has to be Washington or Oregon? :shrug:

I would think Oregon would opt for the Big Ten, so Washington is my guess.

[FloridaMan88]

It said "another school beyond the 4 corners."

So it wouldn't be Oregon State or Washington State because neither offer any value.

California and Stanford also isn't any good either.

So it's either has to be Washington or Oregon? :shrug:

That would be a massive get for the Big 12... I wonder if the Big 10 has shut the door on Washington and Oregon because that was their rumored destination for a while now.

[ChiefsCountry]

UConn will be #14 with Colorado.

[Coach]

UConn will be #14 with Colorado.

Hmmm.... I wouldn't be so sure yet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The University of Oregon Executive, Audit and Governance Committee of the Board of Trustees will hold a meeting Thursday at 10 AM PT. <br><br>This looks to be scheduled very last minute. <a href="https://t.co/uMSaSalCTb">https://t.co/uMSaSalCTb</a></p>&mdash; Matt Prehm (@MattPrehm) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattPrehm/status/1684337241605410816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Raiderhater]

Hmmm.... I wouldn't be so sure yet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The University of Oregon Executive, Audit and Governance Committee of the Board of Trustees will hold a meeting Thursday at 10 AM PT. <br><br>This looks to be scheduled very last minute. <a href="https://t.co/uMSaSalCTb">https://t.co/uMSaSalCTb</a></p>&mdash; Matt Prehm (@MattPrehm) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattPrehm/status/1684337241605410816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Of course, what do I know?

[BWillie]

Have to think Arizona or Arizona State is the other school.

I think Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado are the "four corner schools". All of those schools are expected to become Big 12 members eventually. Colorado is starting the domino. But the tweet says something about an additional unexpected school.....perhaps Washington or Oregon if they know they aren't getting a Big Ten invite.

[Coach]

I would think Oregon would opt for the Big Ten, so Washington is my guess.

I'm only speculating as this front has been very quiet for a while but consider this. If UO/UW did get B1G invite at the time, they would have done it already and we would know about it, wouldn't you think?

I'm not sure they simply got an invite because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is when it comes to the B1G pie? I don't know.

[BryanBusby]

Hm yes time to get excited to see the cum dumpster husk of Colorado

[FloridaMan88]

Looks like it’s happening…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado leaving Pac-12 to return to Big 12 in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. CU will receive full Big 12 share ($31.7M) from ESPN/Fox media deal. Buffs left because of Big 12 stability &amp; Pac-12’s uncertainty, sources said. Announcement Thursday<a href="https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF">https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF</a> <a href="https://t.co/4Ilq91C0EO">pic.twitter.com/4Ilq91C0EO</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684336226139099138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[tredadda]

It said "another school beyond the 4 corners."

So it wouldn't be Oregon State or Washington State because neither offer any value.

California and Stanford also isn't any good either.

So it's either has to be Washington or Oregon? :shrug:

Almost has to be, at least from an athletics perspective. Arizona and ASU are the only other two that would be possible. Stanford academically would be a great fit. Cal culturally would be an absolutely awful fit.

[Pablo]

Hm yes time to get excited to see the cum dumpster husk of Colorado

Every conference needs a fleshlight to empty into. Why do you think you guys got the SEC invite?

Your coach still looking like a lesbo gym teacher??

[tredadda]

Looks like it’s happening…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado leaving Pac-12 to return to Big 12 in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. CU will receive full Big 12 share ($31.7M) from ESPN/Fox media deal. Buffs left because of Big 12 stability &amp; Pac-12’s uncertainty, sources said. Announcement Thursday<a href="https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF">https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF</a> <a href="https://t.co/4Ilq91C0EO">pic.twitter.com/4Ilq91C0EO</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684336226139099138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The irony is them leaving started the instability in the Big 12.

[Coach]

Got to imagine that dumb press conference by Kliavkoff was the final nail in the coffin.

[Pablo]

The irony is them leaving started the instability in the Big 12.

Fucking Jenny-ass buffaloes. Coming back to Forrest when she's got AIDS and queefed out his kid without telling him.

[BWillie]

Looks like it’s happening…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado leaving Pac-12 to return to Big 12 in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. CU will receive full Big 12 share ($31.7M) from ESPN/Fox media deal. Buffs left because of Big 12 stability &amp; Pac-12’s uncertainty, sources said. Announcement Thursday<a href="https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF">https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF</a> <a href="https://t.co/4Ilq91C0EO">pic.twitter.com/4Ilq91C0EO</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684336226139099138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I fuckin' toll ya'll a few month ago. I told ya

[kstater]

https://twitter.com/PowercatRyan/status/1684323563740844035?t=EicPdr8eGvStWQJyg35unA&s=19

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[Raiderhater]

I'm only speculating as this front has been very quiet for a while but consider this. If UO/UW did get B1G invite at the time, they would have done it already and we would know about it, wouldn't you think?

I'm not sure they simply got an invite because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is when it comes to the B1G pie? I don't know.

My guess would probably look a little better (though still presumably wrong) if I had said holding out for instead of opting for.

[tredadda]

Perhaps. There's also a possibility of another one or two.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado is likely to move within the next 48 hours.<br><br>Also, there&#39;s another school in the Pac-12 beyond the rumored four corners that will surprise people and is seriously contemplating a jump to the Big 12.</p>&mdash; Jason Scheer (@jasonscheer) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1684311955580788738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Respectfully,<br><br>Washington State and Oregon State aren&#39;t attractive enough for full Big 12 shares.<br><br>Stanford and Cal don&#39;t even know they have athletic departments.<br><br>Think elsewhere.</p>&mdash; Jason Scheer (@jasonscheer) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1684331555697852416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Only Colorado would be the prodigal. Heck they were part of the Big 8 before it was the Big 8.

[Raiderhater]

The irony is them leaving started the instability in the Big 12.

Let’s not go revising history here; Mizzou lifting their skirt to the Big Ten in an attempt to woo them is what started the instability.

[Rams Fan]

Let’s not go revising history here; Mizzou lifting their skirt to the Big Ten in an attempt to woo them is what started the instability.
Colorado and Nebraska both left the B12 before Mizzou and A&M did.

Texas was also the cause of the instability due to the LHN.

[displacedinMN]

Only Colorado would be the prodigal. Heck they were part of the Big 8 before it was the Big 8.

Big 8 basketball saturdays was the best ever

[Raiderhater]

Colorado and Nebraska both left the B12 before Mizzou and A&M did.

Let the tally books show that Mizzou prostituted themselves to the Big Ten, got turned down and then got hilariously left out of the first round of re-alignment. Colorado and Nebraska left after Mizzou’s scandalous overtures.

Texas was also the cause of the instability due to the LHN.

As cited by the schools that couldn’t beat Texas. At the time my Cats owned them not only in football, and basketball, but pretty much all aspects of life. Even though that own age has come to an end, I still don’t give two shits about the LHN.

[BWillie]

Big 8 basketball saturdays was the best ever

Brought to you by Phillips 66

[Rams Fan]

Let the tally books show that Mizzou prostituted themselves to the Big Ten, got turned down and then got hilariously left out of the first round of re-alignment. Colorado and Nebraska left after Mizzou’s scandalous overtures.
Mizzou's flirtation began when the B1G announced it was expanding in December 2009. Nebraska was approved to join the B1G in June 2010, as well as Colorado with the P12.

As cited by the schools that couldn’t beat Texas. At the time my Cats owned them not only in football, and basketball, but pretty much all aspects of life. Even though that own age has come to an end, I still don’t give two shits about the LHN.
Ah, so Oklahoma, Texas' biggest rival and arguably the most successful B12/B8 football team, didn't have a problem with the LHN? That is simply false.

OU's problem with The Longhorn Network is the recruiting portion. ESPN's desire was to show high school games, and when that was rebuffed by the Big 12 and NCAA, ESPN's comeback attempt is to show high school highlights.


But Stoops said he does have a problem “if they allow someone to recruit differently, just because they have more money.”

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/columns/berry-tramel/2011/08/26/ou-has-kept-quiet-about-the-longhorn-network/61139605007/

Oklahoma had such a problem with it that they were the only other school in the B12, until 2022, to have their Tier 3 media rights be separate from the rest of the conference outside of Texas.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

California and Stanford are holding out for the Big 10.

Silly as it, university presidents also have a large say in realignment and to be president of Cal is the dream of every university president.

Cal is going to be the next Rutgers of the undeserving bid.

[Coach]

Colorado and Nebraska both left the B12 before Mizzou and A&M did.

Texas was also the cause of the instability due to the LHN.

This is correct. LHN was the big reason why.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Almost has to be, at least from an athletics perspective. Arizona and ASU are the only other two that would be possible. Stanford academically would be a great fit. Cal culturally would be an absolutely awful fit.

Culturally, Colorado and Boulder are California based. It is why they left in the first place. But when the Pac 12 is negotiating with the CW, culture suddenly doesn't matter as much moolah.

[Rams Fan]

Gundy is 9-9 vs Texas all time and was complaining about the LHN.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/oklahoma-st--coach-mike-gundy-blasts-longhorn-network-as--failure-161512408.html


Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy had some choice words for the Longhorn Network, calling it a failure and stressing Texas needed to eliminate the network for the good of the rest of the Big 12.

Gundy wants the Big 12 to create a Big 12 Network, which would allow the conference to market itself better and reap financial benefits similar to the SEC Network or Big Ten Network.

“If we don't eliminate the Longhorn Network and create our own network, they're going to continue to have issues with this league,” Gundy told CBS Sports. “You don’t have a Big 12 Network; you have a network within the league that people consider a failure.”

[Rams Fan]

California and Stanford are holding out for the Big 10.

Silly as it, university presidents also have a large say in realignment and to be president of Cal is the dream of every university president.

Cal is going to be the next Rutgers of the undeserving bid.

Berkley's athletic department is in the red big time and I believe UCLA, as part of their agreement to join the B1G, is supposed to subsidize Berkley's athletic department with millions for the upcoming future.

Stanford is one of the best athletic departments in the country (football and basketball withstanding recently). I believe they have won a NCAA awarded team sport championship every year dating back to the 70's.

[Coach]

Big 8 basketball saturdays was the best ever

Brought to you by Phillips 66

Oh man, best days ever.

[Rams Fan]

This is correct. LHN was the big reason why.

Not saying realignment doesn't happen if the LHN is never allowed to exist by the B12, but, I don't think Mizzou and A&M leave that soon.

Nebraska probably does because of the $$$ they can get from the B1G and Colorado might because the P12 is better fit geographically.

[displacedinMN]

As much as the Pacific writers have looked down on the Big Ten over the years (Rose Bowl losses), it amazes me the Pac10 is dissolving and hoping the Big Ten will bail them out.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

As much as the Pacific writers have looked down on the Big Ten over the years (Rose Bowl losses), it amazes me the Pac10 is dissolving and hoping the Big Ten will bail them out.

All the PAC 12 had to do was take Texas and Oklahoma's friends a decade ago and they would be fine. And grab BYU.

But no, the academic snobs couldn't stomach it. Good riddance.

[Coach]

Not saying realignment doesn't happen if the LHN is never allowed to exist by the B12, but, I don't think Mizzou and A&M leave that soon.

Nebraska probably does because of the $$$ they can get from the B1G and Colorado might because the P12 is better fit geographically.

Colorado in terms of geographically, I can understand that. But they were the original Big 6 team with the teams in the Midwest and have forged a lot of history.

Plus Pac12 downfall is not because of the UCLA/USC leaving, it also has to do with the piss poor Pac12 network, which is like similar to the LTN. And don't get me started on their attendances, as it has been poor.

[Coach]

All the PAC 12 had to do was take Texas and Oklahoma's friends a decade ago and they would be fine. And grab BYU.

But no, the academic snobs couldn't stomach it. Good riddance.

And therefore, lies the issue on the Pac12.

They still insist the academic stuff is the big importance.

Networks/TV/fans do not see that way.

Pac-12 has had multiple opportunities to end the Big 12, yet here we are with the Big 12 trying to land a Clubber Lang knockout punch before the end of the round.

[Al Czervik]

https://twitter.com/PowercatRyan/status/1684323563740844035?t=EicPdr8eGvStWQJyg35unA&s=19

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LOL
I like this one better....

https://www.nbcsportswashington.com/ncaa/vt-now-one-of-two-power-5-schools-never-to-win-team-sport-title/188783/

[Rams Fan]

Colorado in terms of geographically, I can understand that. But they were the original Big 6 team with the teams in the Midwest and have forged a lot of history.

Plus Pac12 downfall is not because of the UCLA/USC leaving, it also has to do with the piss poor Pac12 network, which is like similar to the LTN. And don't get me started on their attendances, as it has been poor.

Yeah, Pac 12's issue is their former commissioner ****ed up their media deals and was forced out in 2021 by the schools as a result.

UCLA/USC saw the writing on the wall and dipped accordingly. The only schools that may be worth a shit in terms of $ are Washington, Arizona St., Arizona, and Oregon.

Washington St. and Oregon St. are absolutely ****ed and Berkley's athletic department is a mess financially. Curious to see what happens with Utah.

[Coach]

California and Stanford are holding out for the Big 10.

Silly as it, university presidents also have a large say in realignment and to be president of Cal is the dream of every university president.

Cal is going to be the next Rutgers of the undeserving bid.

I think Cal and Stanford are going to have to either go independent (very unlikely because they are in the red) or have to drop some sports and join a different lower tier G5 conference to help themselves to get their fiscal issues resolved.

B1G doesn't really see the value Cal or Stanford bring to the table, IMHO.

[Raiderhater]

Mizzou's flirtation began when the B1G announced it was expanding in December 2009. Nebraska was approved to join the B1G in June 2010, as well as Colorado with the P12.

Those dates confirm what I said. Thank you.


Ah, so Oklahoma, Texas' biggest rival and arguably the most successful B12/B8 football team, didn't have a problem with the LHN? That is simply false.




https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/columns/berry-tramel/2011/08/26/ou-has-kept-quiet-about-the-longhorn-network/61139605007/

Oklahoma had such a problem with it that they were the only other school in the B12, until 2022, to have their Tier 3 media rights be separate from the rest of the conference outside of Texas.

Just as states, Texas and Oklahoma hate each other, their universities are no different, constantly bickering like jilted lovers. In fact, it is only fitting that in this mutually abusive relationship UT and OU are going hand in hand to the SEC.

[Coach]

Yeah, Pac 12's issue is their former commissioner fucked up their media deals and was forced out in 2021 by the schools as a result.

UCLA/USC saw the writing on the wall and dipped accordingly. The only schools that may be worth a shit in terms of $ are Washington, Arizona St., Arizona, and Oregon.

Washington St. and Oregon St. are absolutely fucked and Berkley's athletic department is a mess financially.

Yeah, we're seeing eye-to-eye in this situation. Maybe a little slightly different in some respects but pretty much nailed on the head.

And you're not wrong, WSU and OSU are screwed.

[Coach]

Those dates confirm what I said. Thank you.




Just as states, Texas and Oklahoma hate each other, their universities are no different, constantly bickering like jilted lovers. In fact, it is only fitting that in this mutually abusive relationship UT and OU are going hand in hand to the SEC.

UT was basically the kingpin. OU was only reluctant to do so because of the $, at least that is my understanding.

Either way, both of them are going to be gone anyways, and the SEC can try to handle that Texas Sized Ego Home Wrecker.

[Rams Fan]

I think Cal and Stanford are going to have to either go independent (very unlikely because they are in the red) or have to drop some sports and join a different lower tier G5 conference to help themselves to get their fiscal issues resolved.

B1G doesn't really see the value Cal or Stanford bring to the table, IMHO.

Stanford has had to cut sports in the past few years. They also play by a different set of rules because since they're private vs being apart of the UC system.

Cal's being bailed out by UCLA and is fucked if an earthquake happens (their football stadium is built on a fault line).

[Rams Fan]

Those dates confirm what I said. Thank you.


Just as states, Texas and Oklahoma hate each other, their universities are no different, constantly bickering like jilted lovers. In fact, it is only fitting that in this mutually abusive relationship UT and OU are going hand in hand to the SEC.

Oklahoma's and Texas' relationship is symbiotic.

UT was basically the kingpin. OU was only reluctant to do so because of the $, at least that is my understanding.

Either way, both of them are going to be gone anyways, and the SEC can try to handle that Texas Sized Ego Home Wrecker.

LHN is being absorbed by the SECN in 2024 and won't exist moving forward.

The shit the B12 let fly won't happen in the SEC.

[Raiderhater]

Oklahoma's and Texas' relationship is symbiotic.

Is that not for all intents and purposes what I said? Obviously I used a more colorful description, but the essence was there.

[displacedinMN]

I think Cal and Stanford are going to have to either go independent (very unlikely because they are in the red) or have to drop some sports and join a different lower tier G5 conference to help themselves to get their fiscal issues resolved.

B1G doesn't really see the value Cal or Stanford bring to the table, IMHO.

only, maybe, from a research perspective, and womens Bball for Stanford

but not athletics as a whole

[displacedinMN]

Stanford has had to cut sports in the past few years. They also play by a different set of rules because since they're private vs being apart of the UC system.

Cal's being bailed out by UCLA and is fucked if an earthquake happens (their football stadium is built on a fault line).

Cal can say it has been fixed, but, um, yeah, sure.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO we really gonna relitigate this shit almost 15 years later?

[Rams Fan]

Is that not for all intents and purposes what I said? Obviously I used a more colorful description, but the essence was there.

It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

I think Cal and Stanford are going to have to either go independent (very unlikely because they are in the red) or have to drop some sports and join a different lower tier G5 conference to help themselves to get their fiscal issues resolved.

B1G doesn't really see the value Cal or Stanford bring to the table, IMHO.

Cal and Stanford would discontinue athletics before they ever dropped to the MWC. They would commit suicide before having to share a conference with Fresno State.

I think the Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford because the university presidents would make them. There is room for those two schools in the 24 or 32 team conference model. Which is the ultimate endgame.

Washington State and Oregon State are out of luck.

[tredadda]

Culturally, Colorado and Boulder are California based. It is why they left in the first place. But when the Pac 12 is negotiating with the CW, culture suddenly doesn't matter as much moolah.

Correct, but CU has history with the Big 12 dating back to just after WWII. Cal doesn’t and I doubt they want anything to do with the Big 12, nor do I think the Big 12 wants them. I really only see four possible schools for the Big 12 outside of Colorado and those are Arizona, ASU, Oregon, and Washington. If not for BYU I would think Utah would have a very good shot.

[Bearcat]

LMAO we really gonna relitigate this shit almost 15 years later?

Big 12's going to dissolve any day now...

[Raiderhater]

It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

I know what the point was because I’m the one that made it.

Seriously, you UK fans give a bad name to Wildcat fans. :)

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Correct, but CU has history with the Big 12 dating back to just after WWII. Cal doesn’t and I doubt they want anything to do with the Big 12, nor do I think the Big 12 wants them. I really only see four possible schools for the Big 12 outside of Colorado and those are Arizona, ASU, Oregon, and Washington. If not for BYU I would think Utah would have a very good shot.

No doubt. Cal would sooner die than hobnob with the Great Plains schools and UCF.

Oh yeah, BYU holds a grudge with Utah. Understandably so. Utah would be a great get for the PAC 12. Bring back the Holy War!

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

LMAO we really gonna relitigate this shit almost 15 years later?

"There is nothing new under the sun."

[Rams Fan]

I know what the point was because I’m the one that made it.

Seriously, you UK fans give a bad name to Wildcat fans. :)

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I respect a first year coach saying this.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

The ACC will be divided up by the Big 10 and SEC with a couple of schools left out in the cold.

[Rams Fan]

No doubt. Cal would sooner die than hobnob with the Great Plains schools and UCF.

Oh yeah, BYU holds a grudge with Utah. Understandably so. Utah would be a great get for the PAC 12. Bring back the Holy War!

From an academic perspective, I don't see Cal or Stanford liking to be affiliated with the likes of SDSU, Boise St., Fresno St. either.

They have to pray they get a B1G invite or I think they'll go independent.

[Coach]

Cal and Stanford would discontinue athletics before they ever dropped to the MWC. They would commit suicide before having to share a conference with Fresno State.

I think the Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford because the university presidents would make them. There is room for those two schools in the 24 or 32 team conference model. Which is the ultimate endgame.

Washington State and Oregon State are out of luck.

I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

[tredadda]

It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

You think the SEC would welcome GT back?

[Rams Fan]

I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

Stanford won the Directors Cup this year. They have a really good athletic department, though it seems like they're break-even or slightly in the red currently. They aren't great in MBB and football currently (were recently with Harbaugh and Shaw up until a few seasons ago).

Cal is a mess but they have the academic prestige and are part of the UC system, which UCLA is subsidizing up to $10 million a year for Cal's athletics for the foreseeable future.

Adding Stanford and Cal brings in the SF TV market as well as their academics. Personally, if I were the B1G I'd go after Stanford to entice ND to join.
You think the SEC would welcome GT back?
Money talks.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

I will agree with you that WSU and OSU are out of luck.

I do not agree with your assessment of that Big 10 wants Cal and Stanford. If they really did want them when they got USC/UCLA at the time, they would have done so at the time.

Cal and Stanford bring little to zero value on athletics and viewership. Not to mention, I just cannot see them getting an invite simply because I don’t see how they can increase the per school number or even keep it where it is, the B1G pie.

Edited to add: The B1G would most likely prefer Oregon and/or Washington as they have better value/offer if they had to choose between the 4 of Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon.

Stanford is a great carrot to attract Notre Dame.

Of course, if the Big 10 wasn't a cesspool of anti-Catholicism in the 1920s, the Irish would have joined. Notre Dame was begging for an invitation and the commissioner wanted them. But the schools and coaches didn't.

Gotta love CFB history!

[Coach]

Stanford won the Directors Cup this year. They have a really good athletic department, though it seems like they're break-even or slightly in the red currently. They aren't great in MBB and football currently (were recently with Harbaugh and Shaw up until a few seasons ago).

Cal is a mess but they have the academic prestige and are part of the UC system, which UCLA is subsidizing up to $10 million a year for Cal's athletics for the foreseeable future.

Adding Stanford and Cal brings in the SF TV market as well as their academics. Personally, if I were the B1G I'd go after Stanford to entice ND to join.

Money talks.

The bolded part, I can see that, but the odds of that is very low for Stanford. We will just have to disagree on that Cal and Stanford, and just have to wait and see what happens at this point.

There's still more dominoes to fall as the Big 12 wouldn't just take Colorado without considering another to make it back to 14 when OU and Texas leaves in 2024. I still believe it will be Arizona, U-Conn, and Colorado as I mentioned, I just don't know the 4th one.

[Rams Fan]

The bolded part, I can see that, but the odds of that is very low for Stanford. We will just have to disagree on that Cal and Stanford, and just have to wait and see what happens at this point.

There's still more dominoes to fall as the Big 12 wouldn't just take Colorado without considering another to make it back to 14 when OU and Texas leaves in 2024. I still believe it will be Arizona, U-Conn, and Colorado as I mentioned, I just don't know the 4th one.

I don't think Stanford can absorb the potential rise in operating expenses, if they do go independent, long-term unless they limit themselves to only playing exclusively west.

Joining the B1G allows them to still play UCLA and USC while having more league revenue and being affiliated with universities held in higher academic regard.

Also allows the B1G to have another market for later games.

I agree with regard to the B12 that they probably aren't done yet and even with those 4, I'm not sure they're done for the next few years. Could see them adding USF to get further into FL (they're also building an on-campus football stadium and are natural rivals with UCF) as well as Memphis. Aside from that, it's slim pickings from the American unless you want to add someone like Tulane, SMU, or Temple.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

[Rams Fan]

If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

I agree with regard to Memphis. Tulane and SMU don't offer really any upside. Temple brings you to Philly, but that's it.

UCF has the potential to be a juggernaut given where its recruiting base is, its investment in facilities, its large alumni base, and its move to Power 5 which is coming after its success in football.

USF has the same benefits and possibilities as UCF except it is years behind in facilities and success.

[displacedinMN]

In 15 to 20 years, we will all be here talking about the breakup of the super conferences.

[FloridaMan88]

It was.

Point being whatever Texas does or gets, Oklahoma has to do. Or vice versa.

Similar to how UCLA/USC are tied at the hip. Auburn/Alabama, Florida/Georgia, Michigan/Ohio St., etc.

Will be curious to see what happens to the ACC whenever their media rights deal is over. I think a decent amount of the league will join the SEC (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech), while the rest join the B1G.

Miami is AAU now and would prefer the Big 10.

[RustShack]

If the Big 12 can't lure any more Pac 12 teams, I would go with Memphis.

SMU isn't happening (TCU and Houston and Texas Tech would block it). Temple is a dead end. Tulane is intriguing (man, they regret leaving the SEC) but beware of one year wonders. USF is all potential which rarely pans out.

Colorado isn’t the only school jumping. But if they do end up with an odd number from the PAC, UCONN is the backup option to even the numbers.

[Sassy Squatch]

Yeah, Stanford's biggest appeal is that it's a good throw in with Notre Dame

[Coach]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The Big 12’s presidents and chancellors voted unanimously Wednesday night on a conference call to accept Colorado as a new member. Colorado still has not formally applied for Big 12 membership, which is expected to happen tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1684398441907064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The Big 12’s presidents and chancellors voted unanimously Wednesday night on a conference call to accept Colorado as a new member. Colorado still has not formally applied for Big 12 membership, which is expected to happen tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1684398441907064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It is a done deal. This stuff isn't leaked until it is 100% guaranteed.

[Chiefspants]

I feel like this has to be the first domino of several more to fall in the coming weeks. The PAC 12 has looked like one jenga block away from collapse for the past year.

[BWillie]

From an academic perspective, I don't see Cal or Stanford liking to be affiliated with the likes of SDSU, Boise St., Fresno St. either.

They have to pray they get a B1G invite or I think they'll go independent.

The Ivy League can always expand and have a western league to suck at sports.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Malcor,

If you take umbrage with my theories, come out and debate them .

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

The Ivy League can always expand and have a western league to suck at sports.

The Ivy League isn't expanding and Cal/Stanford aren't dropping their football to the FCS level.

[BWillie]

Looks like it’s happening…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Colorado leaving Pac-12 to return to Big 12 in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. CU will receive full Big 12 share ($31.7M) from ESPN/Fox media deal. Buffs left because of Big 12 stability &amp; Pac-12’s uncertainty, sources said. Announcement Thursday<a href="https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF">https://t.co/IOo8LWAuTF</a> <a href="https://t.co/4Ilq91C0EO">pic.twitter.com/4Ilq91C0EO</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684336226139099138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Big 8 is back baby - kind of.

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[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The Big 12’s presidents and chancellors voted unanimously Wednesday night on a conference call to accept Colorado as a new member. Colorado still has not formally applied for Big 12 membership, which is expected to happen tomorrow.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1684398441907064832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s weird that Oklahoma and Texas get to have a vote in this process, considering they will be in a competing conference in 12 months.

[BWillie]

It’s weird that Oklahoma and Texas get to have a vote in this process, considering they will be in a competing conference in 12 months.

Wouldn't they just vote know to throw a wrench into the Big 12?

[WilliamTheIrish]

After all that shit a decade ago, I’m glad the 12 is on the right side of it today.

[WilliamTheIrish]

LMAO




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/S1126WILrG">pic.twitter.com/S1126WILrG</a></p>&mdash; no context
LMAO

college football (@nocontextcfb) <a href="https://twitter.com/nocontextcfb/status/1684351788554805250?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[tredadda]

Money talks.

Correct, but what does GT bring? I could see if UGA wasn't already in the SEC as GT could probably bring in the state of Georgia and Atlanta.

[WilliamTheIrish]

It looks to me like UC Berkeley is in for a rough ride. Those stadium renovations did nothing for them financially.

The university had to take on $230m of the Cal athletics debt back in 2018.




The first involves hiring Collegiate Sports Associates, or CSA, a sports consulting and search firm, to assist Cal Athletics with cutting costs and generating revenue. Led by Bradley Bates, CSA vice president of consulting and former Boston College athletic director, the firm’s services will cost the campus $75,000 plus expenses — costs that will be covered by private donors.

Marts & Lundy, a philanthropy consultant, will review Cal’s fundraising as the second part of this plan. The third and final step is a peer review group composed of two current or former athletic directors, a fundraiser, a financial specialist and a Title IX expert.

Despite the steps, UC Berkeley and the athletic department may need a century to pay off the debt. The annual payments will be $18 million per year until 2032 before leaping to $26 million per year. The peak will arrive in 2039 at $37 million per year, and Cal’s loan extends to 2112, according to Bloomberg.

“The easy thing to do is to let athletics proceed with a budget that looks like there’s a minimal investment from the campus, run this continuing deficit and then have a bailout at the end of the year,” Christ said.



They’re kinda fucked.

[tredadda]

I feel like this has to be the first domino of several more to fall in the coming weeks. The PAC 12 has looked like one jenga block away from collapse for the past year.

The PAC-12 was in huge trouble when USC and UCLA decided to jump ship. They lost their most prestigious FB program and BB program. Hard to absorb those losses when geographically they have no place to expand. At least the Big-12 and Big-10 can expand east and west relatively easily. Who is still out there that would bring any value to the Pac-12? Should be interesting to see if they survive this.

[Woogieman]

Screw Colorado...if you are the big 10, aren't you going after Oregon and Washington? Highly unlikely get, but your horrible footprint already goes from WV to Utah, so why not? Grab Cal and Stanford too to even out the rummies in Cincinnati and Houston. What an utter clusterfuck Texas has caused.

[ROYC75]

It’s weird that Oklahoma and Texas get to have a vote in this process, considering they will be in a competing conference in 12 months.

UT & OU was left out of this vote! Their vote is not valid since in 2024 they will be in a competing conference
.

[Coach]

It’s weird that Oklahoma and Texas get to have a vote in this process, considering they will be in a competing conference in 12 months.

They don't. They forfeit their right to vote when they notified the Big 12 that they were leaving to SEC.

[kstater]

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[ChiefsCountry]

Stanford voting down adding Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State is biting them in the ass and you love to see it.

[kstater]

https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1684565127528599557?t=mv9hez5MtoXdA-f_NbXBhw&s=19

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[BWillie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">7 schools, 3 spots. Who is going to capture the hearts of Big 12 fans? Find out on this season of the Pac 12 is Dead. <a href="https://t.co/LSGufYPcry">pic.twitter.com/LSGufYPcry</a></p>&mdash; Coach Beans (@CoachBeansTTU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1684565127528599557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Coach]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">7 schools, 3 spots. Who is going to capture the hearts of Big 12 fans? Find out on this season of the Pac 12 is Dead. <a href="https://t.co/LSGufYPcry">pic.twitter.com/LSGufYPcry</a></p>&mdash; Coach Beans (@CoachBeansTTU) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1684565127528599557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mean, he's not wrong in a way.

Ball is in Arizona, Oregon, and Washington's court now. What they want to do is going to be up to them, but there's a due date.

[tredadda]

I mean, he's not wrong in a way.

Ball is in Arizona, Oregon, and Washington's court now. What they want to do is going to be up to them, but there's a due date.

Could Arizona join without ASU? What about Oregon and OSU or Washington and WSU? While Oregon and Washington would be good additions, not sure if they are a package deal like many other state schools.

[BWillie]

WEST
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Washington
Oregon
BYU
Baylor
Oklahoma State

EAST
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
West Virginia
UCF
Texas Tech
TCU
Georgia Tech!

Big 18!

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big 12 will add b/w 1 &amp; 3 schools to join Colorado in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. League will 1st seek others from Pac-12 to join. If none do so, Big 12 would add 1 Group of 5 (UConn, Memphis, SDSU or UNLV) to reach even number of teams in 2024<a href="https://t.co/j31J8IUMQN">https://t.co/j31J8IUMQN</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684722675761958912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Coach]

Could Arizona join without ASU? What about Oregon and OSU or Washington and WSU? While Oregon and Washington would be good additions, not sure if they are a package deal like many other state schools.

Don't think they'd do a package deal with schools that offer little to no value. OSU and WSU are in that lower tier. It may come down to the state legislatures, but I can't answer that.

An example would be that OU went to the SEC but OSU isn't.

The only thing I'd also watch for is the sable rattling that FSU (and maybe a silent few schools) are doing at the ACC.

[GloucesterChief]

Wazzu can drink any of the BigXII schools under the table so should get an invite just for that.

[BWillie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big 12 will add b/w 1 &amp; 3 schools to join Colorado in 2024, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. League will 1st seek others from Pac-12 to join. If none do so, Big 12 would add 1 Group of 5 (UConn, Memphis, SDSU or UNLV) to reach even number of teams in 2024<a href="https://t.co/j31J8IUMQN">https://t.co/j31J8IUMQN</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1684722675761958912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Please do not add any of those schools. Keep waiting on the Big Boys. Do not dilute the conference. Hold steady for Pac 12 schools or ACC schools for a couple of years at least.

[Coach]

Please do not add any of those schools. Keep waiting on the Big Boys. Do not dilute the conference

I agree. I don't like bringing up any G5's at this point.

Only one I may consider is UConn because of the NE footprint and that their basketball programs are elite. Also gives Cincinnati and WV a regional rivalry perhaps?

But Yormark does see that the basketball side is undervalued right now, so it makes sense in that regards.

[bdj23]

Uconn would be great

[BWillie]

I agree. I don't like bringing up any G5's at this point.

Only one I may consider is UConn because of the NE footprint and that their basketball programs are elite. Also gives Cincinnati and WV a regional rivalry perhaps?

But Yormark does see that the basketball side is undervalued right now, so it makes sense in that regards.

100%

[KingPriest2]

I mean, he's not wrong in a way.

Ball is in Arizona, Oregon, and Washington's court now. What they want to do is going to be up to them, but there's a due date.

Oregon and Washington are contacting the Bug 12 as we speak

Arizona board of regents are meeting early next week.

Big 10’ is sleeping in expansion

If the B12 picks up these 3 school. They are accross 4 time zones. The control the Pacific time one along with the B10.

Sone are saying if they pick up these 3. The. Football quality they pass the B10 Revenue not as much.

ASU I’m hearing B12 should not go after They’re more concerned about bring a hockey program and over valued as a program

Pac 12 is dead

[Chiefspants]

Please do not add any of those schools. Keep waiting on the Big Boys. Do not dilute the conference. Hold steady for Pac 12 schools or ACC schools for a couple of years at least.

It’s posturing to tell any wavering P12 AD’s to shit or get off the pot.

Having UCONN as a fallback is the best spot the B12 has been in for years.

[Raiderhater]

WEST
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Washington
Oregon
BYU
Baylor
Oklahoma State

EAST
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
West Virginia
UCF
Texas Tech
TCU
Georgia Tech!

Big 18!

Why on earth would you put Lubbock in the East? Switch Tech and Baylor around and these groupings make sense.

[dtrain]

WEST
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Washington
Oregon
BYU
Baylor
Oklahoma State

EAST
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
West Virginia
UCF
Texas Tech
TCU
Georgia Tech!

Big 18!

You forgot Houston

[FloridaMan88]

Get to 16 teams with Washington, Oregon, and Arizona then wait for the ACC to inevitably implode and add teams from there… that’s the ideal scenario for the Big 12.

[ForeverIowan]

If Im Yormark Im adding Oregon, Washington and Arizona to solidify the Pacific time zone and then heading east. Pluck those top tier teams away from the ACC and you have a heavy footprint in all 4 time zones. Need to expand in the East.

[FloridaMan88]

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Pac-12 Conference: <a href="https://t.co/up5hjSD1ek">pic.twitter.com/up5hjSD1ek</a></p>&mdash; Pac-12 Conference (@pac12) <a href="https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1684740924537233408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BWillie]

You forgot Houston

Nah. Kick them out

[Coach]

It’s posturing to tell any wavering P12 AD’s to shit or get off the pot.

Having UCONN as a fallback is the best spot the B12 has been in for years.

The Big12 has an advantage as well.

Their new TV deal will have a pro rata clause in the event of future expansion, and only for P5 teams.

How did you think Colorado is getting the full share of 31.7M?

[ChiefsCountry]

Get 2 more from the West and 1 more from the East and the Big 12 has 4 perfect pods.

Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State

TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston

Colorado
BYU
West Team
West Team

West Virginia
UCF
Cincy
East Team

9 Game schedule

3 Games from your pod
2 from each other 3 pods
You get to host everyone at least once every 4 years

[kstater]

LMAO



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from the Pac-12 Conference: <a href="https://t.co/up5hjSD1ek">pic.twitter.com/up5hjSD1ek</a></p>— Pac-12 Conference (@pac12) <a href="https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1684740924537233408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>https://twitter.com/TheJazzyUte/status/1684667557444521984?t=zhrXQg-spuaTXEGr-Mgyeg&s=19

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[Coach]

I agree with regard to Memphis. Tulane and SMU don't offer really any upside. Temple brings you to Philly, but that's it.

UCF has the potential to be a juggernaut given where its recruiting base is, its investment in facilities, its large alumni base, and its move to Power 5 which is coming after its success in football.

USF has the same benefits and possibilities as UCF except it is years behind in facilities and success.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you and Mark Davis on Memphis.

They don't bring any value and their facilities are woefully behind.

I believe Yormark would just go get UConn if nobody else bites from the Pac12 to go with Colorado, and just wait until the next round or if the ACC decides to dissolve.

[Rams Fan]

I will have to respectfully disagree with you and Mark Davis on Memphis.

They don't bring any value and their facilities are woefully behind.

I believe Yormark would just go get UConn if nobody else bites from the Pac12 to go with Colorado, and just wait until the next round or if the ACC decides to dissolve.

The Liberty Bowl is about to undergo $200 million in renovations and they share the FedEx Forum with the Grizzlies, which is also undergoing $150 million in renovations. Not ideal that they share an arena with a NBA team, but it is what it is.

Memphis football is slightly below average all-time, but not a complete dumpster fire like UConn's has been, and is in a much better place for recruiting. Basketball they're above average historically.

UConn brings stellar basketball teams, but they neglected their football team to the point they re-joined the Big East and their football team is independent as a result. Combine that with where they're located and there isn't a lot of upside financially.

Would basically be a counterpunch to Rutgers in the B1G, but with two dominant basketball teams.

[GloucesterChief]

As a fan of a team that will probably be relegated to G5 status. I hope the TV money bubble implodes leading to the absolute economic ruination of the super conferences and their members.

[Coach]

The Liberty Bowl is about to undergo $200 million in renovations and they share the FedEx Forum with the Grizzlies, which is also undergoing $150 million in renovations. Not ideal that they share an arena with a NBA team, but it is what it is.

Memphis football is slightly below average all-time, but not a complete dumpster fire like UConn's has been, and is in a much better place for recruiting. Basketball they're above average historically.

UConn brings stellar basketball teams, but they neglected their football team to the point they re-joined the Big East and their football team is independent as a result. Combine that with where they're located and there isn't a lot of upside financially.

Would basically be a counterpunch to Rutgers in the B1G, but with two dominant basketball teams.

The problem is the Big 12 cannot add a group of five school without cutting the payout. No Big 12 Presidents/Administrators is going to agree to that.

[Rams Fan]

The problem is the Big 12 cannot add a group of five school without cutting the payout. No Big 12 Presidents/Administrators is going to agree to that.

UConn is less than that when it comes to football. They're not even in a conference and have virtually 0 following in football, unlike BYU for instance.

[FloridaMan88]

This is laughable… West Virginia leaving for the ACC would be a downgrade for them given the long term uncertainty of the conference.

And the travel logistics for Oregon and Washington to be in the ACC would be challenging… to put it mildly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN article by David Hale: “The ACC has explored possible expansion options, according to multiple league administrators, running models on adding a number of potential targets, including West Virginia, SMU, Oregon and Washington.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WVU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WVU</a> <a href="https://t.co/lFAD6RZJfB">pic.twitter.com/lFAD6RZJfB</a></p>&mdash; The Voice of Morgantown (@voicemorgantown) <a href="https://twitter.com/voicemorgantown/status/1684738306737614848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Chiefspants]

This is laughable… West Virginia leaving for the ACC would be a downgrade for them given the long term uncertainty of the conference.

And the travel logistics for Oregon and Washington to be in the ACC would be challenging… to put it mildly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN article by David Hale: “The ACC has explored possible expansion options, according to multiple league administrators, running models on adding a number of potential targets, including West Virginia, SMU, Oregon and Washington.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WVU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WVU</a> <a href="https://t.co/lFAD6RZJfB">pic.twitter.com/lFAD6RZJfB</a></p>&mdash; The Voice of Morgantown (@voicemorgantown) <a href="https://twitter.com/voicemorgantown/status/1684738306737614848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering that WVU is 48m in debt and imploding literally everywhere I'm sure the Big 12 wouldn't be all that upset if that happened.

[ChiTown]

Broke Pac Mountain killed me...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per John Kurtz Podcast: 6 PAC Conference to merge with Mountain West Conference forming the Broke PAC Mountain Conference.</p>&mdash; Stephen Schmidt (@SpaceCase38) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpaceCase38/status/1684780709968310272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[tredadda]

Get to 16 teams with Washington, Oregon, and Arizona then wait for the ACC to inevitably implode and add teams from there… that’s the ideal scenario for the Big 12.

They definitely would need to be proactive on that one. I can see the Big 10 and SEC pouncing if that were to happen. Best the Big-12 gets the good schools as I am not sure they could compete with the appeal of the Big 10/SEC.

[BWillie]

This is laughable… West Virginia leaving for the ACC would be a downgrade for them given the long term uncertainty of the conference.

And the travel logistics for Oregon and Washington to be in the ACC would be challenging… to put it mildly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN article by David Hale: “The ACC has explored possible expansion options, according to multiple league administrators, running models on adding a number of potential targets, including West Virginia, SMU, Oregon and Washington.” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WVU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WVU</a> <a href="https://t.co/lFAD6RZJfB">pic.twitter.com/lFAD6RZJfB</a></p>&mdash; The Voice of Morgantown (@voicemorgantown) <a href="https://twitter.com/voicemorgantown/status/1684738306737614848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

One thing the ACC has vs the Big 12 is image. Most of the Pac12 schools think they are elitist places ans cant fathom being in the Big 12 with hick folk. The reality is most ACC schools are more of a good ole boy network than any other conference. I think the Pac 12 egos though could stomach a coastal conference of west and east coast teams vs going to the Big 12 but the Big 12 has the easier logistics ans probably a little more money.

[ForeverIowan]

They definitely would need to be proactive on that one. I can see the Big 10 and SEC pouncing if that were to happen. Best the Big-12 gets the good schools as I am not sure they could compete with the appeal of the Big 10/SEC.

As it currently stands, I dont think the Big Ten or SEC expands unless Notre Dame is involved. No other school delivers a NET MONETARY GAIN to the rest of the universities in the conference.

[ChiTown]

As it currently stands, I dont think the Big Ten or SEC expands unless Notre Dame is involved. No other school delivers a NET MONETARY GAIN to the rest of the universities in the conference.

I highly doubt the B1G stands with just 2 PAC teams. I have to believe that they are going to give them 2 more West Coast options to limit travel. My guess is Stanford and maybe Washington. I was going to say CAL but their Ath Dept is a fucking trainwreck with debt. Who knows...

[BWillie]

As it currently stands, I dont think the Big Ten or SEC expands unless Notre Dame is involved. No other school delivers a NET MONETARY GAIN to the rest of the universities in the conference.

Why don't they kick schools out? There is really no reason for Northwestern, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt to exist in a P5 conference. The rest of the conference members just subsidize them.

[tredadda]

As it currently stands, I dont think the Big Ten or SEC expands unless Notre Dame is involved. No other school delivers a NET MONETARY GAIN to the rest of the universities in the conference.

If the ACC were to show cracks, the SEC would pounce on FSU and Clemson in a heartbeat. Same with Miami. The Big 10 probably pounces on UNC, Duke and UVA at minimum.

[sedated]

Why don't they kick schools out? There is really no reason for Northwestern, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt to exist in a P5 conference. The rest of the conference members just subsidize them.

Northwestern and Vanderbilt have an ass ton of money

[FloridaMan88]

As it currently stands, I dont think the Big Ten or SEC expands unless Notre Dame is involved. No other school delivers a NET MONETARY GAIN to the rest of the universities in the conference.

Agreed. I think the Big 10 is waiting to see what happens with Notre Dame (their football TV contract with NBC expires after next season) and if (when) the ACC implodes.

[FloridaMan88]

If the ACC were to show cracks, the SEC would pounce on FSU and Clemson in a heartbeat. Same with Miami. The Big 10 probably pounces on UNC, Duke and UVA at minimum.

Miami wants a Big 10 invite. It’s a better fit than the SEC.

They achieved AAU status this summer, the Big 10 has more big city-based schools such as Northwestern, Rutgers, UCLA, USC which is where most of Miami’s alumni live, etc.

[Discuss Thrower]

Get 2 more from the West and 1 more from the East and the Big 12 has 4 perfect pods.

Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State

TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston

Colorado
BYU
West Team
West Team

West Virginia
UCF
Cincy
East Team

9 Game schedule

3 Games from your pod
2 from each other 3 pods
You get to host everyone at least once every 4 years


Boise State
Fresno State

Marshall?

[tredadda]

Miami wants a Big 10 invite. It’s a better fit than the SEC.

They achieved AAU status this summer, the Big 10 has more big city-based schools such as Northwestern, Rutgers, UCLA, USC which is where most of Miami’s alumni live, etc.

Ahhh, gotcha. Did not know they are seeking a Big 10 invite.

[FloridaMan88]

Deion’s recruiting connections in a conference that includes a geographic presence in Texas and Florida… gonna be very interesting to watch.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2ILd_zW4AEDBCN?format=jpg&name=large

[Coach]

UConn is less than that when it comes to football. They're not even in a conference and have virtually 0 following in football, unlike BYU for instance.

Still, I thought it appears that Fox and ESPN had agreed on pro rata for UCONN which gives the Big 12 that option, as opposed to Memphis who would dilute the pie.

That’s why the Big12 Presidents/Administrators won’t take any G5 team unless they have a lot of value, and not many, if any, have that.

[ForeverIowan]

If the ACC were to show cracks, the SEC would pounce on FSU and Clemson in a heartbeat. Same with Miami. The Big 10 probably pounces on UNC, Duke and UVA at minimum.

The Big Ten currently pulls in an insane $ amount per school. I think adding anyone other than Notre Dame dilutes that amount of $ going to each University. It is all dollars and cents. If the bottom line doesn't go up the Big Ten and SEC arent expanding for the sake of expansion. Follow the money.

[BWillie]

Northwestern and Vanderbilt have an ass ton of money

Yale and Harvard have a ton of money too, but nobody wants them

[tredadda]

Yale and Harvard have a ton of money too, but nobody wants them

But does Harvard and Yale want any of those conferences?

[displacedinMN]

The Big Ten currently pulls in an insane $ amount per school. I think adding anyone other than Notre Dame dilutes that amount of $ going to each University. It is all dollars and cents. If the bottom line doesn't go up the Big Ten and SEC arent expanding for the sake of expansion. Follow the money.


It is all about football. and money

this is crazy s--- to me.



Remember when the big 10 was about alignment of ideas and research????
just saying

[displacedinMN]

Yale and Harvard have a ton of money too, but nobody wants them

Big/ACC/SEC/ even the SWC would have crushed them in football.


Besides, Yale and Harvard dont want to be around a bunch of rednecks.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Why don't they kick schools out? There is really no reason for Northwestern, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt to exist in a P5 conference. The rest of the conference members just subsidize them.

The private schools are where the conference hides the bodies. No information act.

Also, kicking schools out of conferences is extremely rare. Last time it happened at the highest level is when the Big East booted Temple football.

No one wants to establish a precedent. If you are Mississippi State, you are the next on the list if they boot Vandy. It is better to tolerate what Vandy brings to the table (elite academics, solid Olympic sports, and easy football win (every conference needs some easy wins) than trying to kick them out.

[Pablo]

It is better to tolerate what mu brings to the table (easy football win (every conference needs some easy wins) than trying to kick them out.

Agreed.

[BWillie]

BEST REALISTIC CASE SCENARIO FOR THE BIG 12??
1. Arizona, Oregon, and Washington to reach 16
2. Arizona to reach 14
3. Arizona, Arizona State & UCONN to reach 16
4. Arizona, Arizona State & Utah to reach 16
5. Arizona State to reach 14
6. UCONN to reach 14.
7. Utah to reach 14.

First of all, none of the ACC schools at least at this point is a realistic option until their GOR runs out or gets closer to running out. I think obviously the Big 12 wants Oregon, Washington and Arizona. I think the most likely team to go to the Big 12 if it is only one team is Arizona. I'm sure Arizona prefers to bring Arizona State but what difference does it make to bring them both from a Big 12 perspective? The same thing for Utah as the conference already has BYU. I think Houston may be an exception because of just how valuable being deeply entrenched in the Texas market is in terms of value. Texas is just kind of a different state/area for football than any other area/state.

You can tell the Big 12 is clearly thinking in terms of TV revenue and geographic exposure as they made sure to get UCF to get the Florida market and Cincinnati to get the rustbelt market and then BYU to get the Utah area market. I think the Big 12 wants UCONN more than people think and wants Utah less than they think.

What say you?

[Chiefspants]

BEST REALISTIC CASE SCENARIO FOR THE BIG 12??
1. Arizona, Oregon, and Washington to reach 16
2. Arizona to reach 14
3. Arizona, Arizona State & UCONN to reach 16
4. Arizona, Arizona State & Utah to reach 16
5. Arizona State to reach 14
6. UCONN to reach 14.
7. Utah to reach 14.

First of all, none of the ACC schools at least at this point is a realistic option until their GOR runs out or gets closer to running out. I think obviously the Big 12 wants Oregon, Washington and Arizona. I think the most likely team to go to the Big 12 if it is only one team is Arizona. I'm sure Arizona prefers to bring Arizona State but what difference does it make to bring them both from a Big 12 perspective? The same thing for Utah as the conference already has BYU. I think Houston may be an exception because of just how valuable being deeply entrenched in the Texas market is in terms of value. Texas is just kind of a different state/area for football than any other area/state.

You can tell the Big 12 is clearly thinking in terms of TV revenue and geographic exposure as they made sure to get UCF to get the Florida market and Cincinnati to get the rustbelt market and then BYU to get the Utah area market. I think the Big 12 wants UCONN more than people think and wants Utah less than they think.

What say you?

As much as I want Oregon, I'm not convinced the Big 12 would be able to hang onto them.

[BWillie]

As much as I want Oregon, I'm not convinced the Big 12 would be able to hang onto them.

I don't think they will either, but that may work to the Big 12's advantage. I think one reason why the Pac 12 can't get a good media deal is because Washington and Oregon do not want to commit to a long-term deal as they are hoping ---- praying for a Big 10 invite. But even if you get UDub and Oregon for a 3, 4, 5 years there is still value in that I think. At such a later point the ACC is going to be ready to be poached.

[ChiefsCountry]

Big 12 and PAC 12 should have just merged together after Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA left.

[BWillie]

Big 12 and PAC 12 should have just merged together after Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA left.

The entire South division of the Big 12 almost did that years ago. My understanding is the Longhorn Network fucked that up. Nebraska's Osborne indicated that as the reason Nebraska left to the B1G. The deal for the South division to move to the Pac 12 was done in principle but Texas just wouldn't give up the LHN. Unfortunately Texas was rewarded for their selfishness and while the LHN failed, they got a more valuable SEC opportunity but for Kansas and K-State probably one of the better case scenarios.

[RustShack]

Big 12 and PAC 12 should have just merged together after Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA left.

I like just adding Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, and Washington a lot more than merging with the entire conference.

[BWillie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My guy is still implying a deal is only days away <a href="https://t.co/xwItDueBzI">https://t.co/xwItDueBzI</a></p>&mdash; Jason Scheer (@jasonscheer) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1685376645509578752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Guy is apparently the Senior Editor/Publisher of http://WildcatAuthority.com

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Agreed.

Well played, Mr. Pablo.

[Pablo]

BEST REALISTIC CASE SCENARIO FOR THE BIG 12??
1. Arizona, Oregon, and Washington to reach 16
2. Arizona to reach 14
3. Arizona, Arizona State & UCONN to reach 16
4. Arizona, Arizona State & Utah to reach 16
5. Arizona State to reach 14
6. UCONN to reach 14.
7. Utah to reach 14.

First of all, none of the ACC schools at least at this point is a realistic option until their GOR runs out or gets closer to running out. I think obviously the Big 12 wants Oregon, Washington and Arizona. I think the most likely team to go to the Big 12 if it is only one team is Arizona. I'm sure Arizona prefers to bring Arizona State but what difference does it make to bring them both from a Big 12 perspective? The same thing for Utah as the conference already has BYU. I think Houston may be an exception because of just how valuable being deeply entrenched in the Texas market is in terms of value. Texas is just kind of a different state/area for football than any other area/state.

You can tell the Big 12 is clearly thinking in terms of TV revenue and geographic exposure as they made sure to get UCF to get the Florida market and Cincinnati to get the rustbelt market and then BYU to get the Utah area market. I think the Big 12 wants UCONN more than people think and wants Utah less than they think.

What say you?

4 works fine for me. Really solidifies a SW presence and you dominate most of that market

Colorado, BYU, Utah, Zona, Zona St. I mean you've got a mix of great history with a few of them. Solid football programs. And just continue to build the best basketball conference as well.

[Old Dog]

BEST REALISTIC CASE SCENARIO FOR THE BIG 12??
1. Arizona, Oregon, and Washington to reach 16
2. Arizona to reach 14
3. Arizona, Arizona State & UCONN to reach 16
4. Arizona, Arizona State & Utah to reach 16
5. Arizona State to reach 14
6. UCONN to reach 14.
7. Utah to reach 14.


1....Four four-team pods and call it a day. If Oregon or UW get a B10 invite later, so be it. Then you move east in a few years if need be or get whoever else you'd want that's left in the west.

[RustShack]

1....Four four-team pods and call it a day. If Oregon or UW get a B10 invite later, so be it. Then you move east in a few years if need be or get whoever else you'd want that's left in the west.

Pass on the pods. Protected rivals is the way to go. Similar to pods, but better.

Just for an example,

Iowa state- KState, Oklahoma state, Kansas
Kansas- Colorado, KState, Iowa state
Colorado- BYU, Arizona, Kansas

I just threw out teams so obviously that might not be the actual ones, but that’s the route I’d prefer. Hit the teams each school would want to play yearly the best you can. #1 and #2 conference record play in the conference championship.


Some schools obviously will have to build new rivalry’s.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: Arizona has scheduled a Board of Regents meeting for tomorrow afternoon🚨<br><br>Could the Wildcats be leaving the Pac-12? 👀<a href="https://t.co/R8qLvpASyA">https://t.co/R8qLvpASyA</a> <a href="https://t.co/QZxzT6rsyT">pic.twitter.com/QZxzT6rsyT</a></p>&mdash; On3 (@On3sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1686143006770872320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Chiefspants]

This would be why.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Details on potential media deal for P12. <br>20M per school and mostly streaming. <br>Not ideal <a href="https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R">https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1686132109834960896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[KingPriest2]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: Arizona has scheduled a Board of Regents meeting for tomorrow afternoon🚨<br><br>Could the Wildcats be leaving the Pac-12? 👀<a href="https://t.co/R8qLvpASyA">https://t.co/R8qLvpASyA</a> <a href="https://t.co/QZxzT6rsyT">pic.twitter.com/QZxzT6rsyT</a></p>&mdash; On3 (@On3sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1686143006770872320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mentioned this last Thursday it was scheduled

[KingPriest2]

This would be why.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Details on potential media deal for P12. <br>20M per school and mostly streaming. <br>Not ideal <a href="https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R">https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1686132109834960896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This already scheduled this from last Thursday

[Sassy Squatch]

Yeah, that's not going to be feasible.

[ArrowheadHawk]

20M ain't gonna cut it, PAC9 is dead.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

[BWillie]

Arizona board made an emergency meeting for tomorrow 330pm to 4pm. It had not been scheduled until today. Unless Pac12 blows Arizonas socks off tomorrow in the morning meeting the Wildcats are gone.

[BWillie]

B1G = $80M+ per school
SEC = $70M
B12 = $31.6M
ACC = $30.6M
P12 = $20.9M estimated (down $9M from current contract)

That is the baseline payouts by conference. Big 12 distributed $44M to its schools last year. Projecting $50M+ under the new deal. Big 12 schools retain Tier 3 rights as well. WVU, as an example receives about $7M via those media and advertising rights in ADDITION to the Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights. Not sure why that is never mentioned in these payout articles.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/big-12-announces-record-revenue-distribution#:~:text=The%20Big%2012%20Conference%20announced%20Friday%20that%20schools,year%2C%20acc ording%20to%20information%20announced%20by%20the%20league

[KingPriest2]

Arizona board made an emergency meeting for tomorrow 330pm to 4pm. It had not been scheduled until today. Unless Pac12 blows Arizonas socks off tomorrow in the morning meeting the Wildcats are gone.
We ve known about the meeting since Thursday.

[BWillie]

We ve known about the meeting since Thursday.

Not the Arizona Board of Regents meeting. You are thinking of the Pac12 one headed by George Kliavkoff

[ArrowheadHawk]

I believe they gave up tier 3 to espn+ with the newest deal.

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[KingPriest2]

Not the Arizona Board of Regents meeting. You are thinking of the Pac12 one headed by George Kliavkoff

No I said specially said Az Board of Regrnts on a Thursday

[KingPriest2]

Oregon and Washington are contacting the Bug 12 as we speak

Arizona board of regents are meeting early next week.

Big 10’ is sleeping in expansion

If the B12 picks up these 3 school. They are accross 4 time zones. The control the Pacific time one along with the B10.

Sone are saying if they pick up these 3. The. Football quality they pass the B10 Revenue not as much.

ASU I’m hearing B12 should not go after They’re more concerned about bring a hockey program and over valued as a program

Pac 12 is dead


Here you go BWillie

[displacedinMN]

B1G = $80M+ per school
SEC = $70M
B12 = $31.6M
ACC = $30.6M
P12 = $20.9M estimated (down $9M from current contract)

That is the baseline payouts by conference. Big 12 distributed $44M to its schools last year. Projecting $50M+ under the new deal. Big 12 schools retain Tier 3 rights as well. WVU, as an example receives about $7M via those media and advertising rights in ADDITION to the Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights. Not sure why that is never mentioned in these payout articles.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/big-12-announces-record-revenue-distribution#:~:text=The%20Big%2012%20Conference%20announced%20Friday%20that%20schools,year%2C%20acc ording%20to%20information%20announced%20by%20the%20league


And yet, Notre Dame wants to be an independent in football

[FloridaMan88]

And yet, Notre Dame wants to be an independent in football

Will be interesting to see what NBC offers them when their TV deal expires after next season.

That could force them into the Big 10.

[ChiefsCountry]

And yet, Notre Dame wants to be an independent in football

Notre Dame makes 22 million all by themselves just for football plus there cut from the ACC.

[FloridaMan88]

“Welcome to the Big 10”, should be NBC’s response to Notre Dame…

Link: https://frontofficesports.com/notre-dame-wants-to-triple-its-football-media-rights-fees/#:~:text=The%20Fighting%20Irish%20receive%20somewhere,compete%20for%20all%20other%20sports.

Notre Dame will be seeking to triple its football rights fees to $65 million to $75 million annually during its next cycle of media negotiations, sources told Front Office Sports. But if the Fighting Irish want that kind of money, they might have to give up their cherished independence — and finally join a power conference.

The Big Ten’s new mid-$7 billion, seven-year deal with NBC, Fox Sports, and CBS Sports will eventually dish out up to $90 million to schools like Ohio State and Michigan. That gives them a big financial advantage over the Irish.

[Hoover]

I think Oregon and Washington still end up in the Big Ten. Notes Dame has always been the natural fit. And they eventually will get there not because of the money but because of the schedule. These super conferences are not going to let ND play five games against their conference. Never going to happen.

So with the Big Ten what’s interesting is what do you pair with ND when they enter. Stanford? Or do they look for something out east?

[BWillie]

Here you go BWillie

Seems I was misinformed then by Jason Sheer...some Wildcat Authority writer

[lawrenceRaider]

This would be why.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Details on potential media deal for P12. <br>20M per school and mostly streaming. <br>Not ideal <a href="https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R">https://t.co/KPe4tBIW3R</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1686132109834960896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's pathetic.

Big12 coming out of realignment looking pretty damn good.

[FloridaMan88]

Initial reports from the Pac 12's meeting today are that an actual/tangible/CONFIRMED new media rights deal still was not presented.

Instead some sort of tentative frame work for an all streaming deal was presented, where the annual payout to member schools would be heavily dependent on the # of streaming subscribers.

Good luck trying to get enough streaming subscribers to watch the Pac 9 + mid major additions which would be needed to get anywhere close to the annual payout per school with the Big 12's media rights deal.

Time to go to the Big 12, Arizona.

[sedated]

All streaming? :spock:

Only the NFL knows that fans will flock to buy whatever stream they are on that day. Just ask the MLB what lack of "cable" access does to a fanbase.

[ForeverIowan]

I think Oregon and Washington still end up in the Big Ten. Notes Dame has always been the natural fit. And they eventually will get there not because of the money but because of the schedule. These super conferences are not going to let ND play five games against their conference. Never going to happen.

So with the Big Ten what’s interesting is what do you pair with ND when they enter. Stanford? Or do they look for something out east?

Why aren't the super conferences going to schedule games with Notre Dame? Follow the money. If scheduling games with Notre Dame means more money (and it does) it is going to happen. You think the Big Ten is going to tell ND to go F themselves and pretty much hand deliver them to the SEC? Or vice versa? I can guarantee you the new look Big 12 would KILL to have some sort of arrangement with Notre Dame playing 3 or 4 Big 12 teams a year on a rotating basis.

[RustShack]

B1G = $80M+ per school
SEC = $70M
B12 = $31.6M
ACC = $30.6M
P12 = $20.9M estimated (down $9M from current contract)

That is the baseline payouts by conference. Big 12 distributed $44M to its schools last year. Projecting $50M+ under the new deal. Big 12 schools retain Tier 3 rights as well. WVU, as an example receives about $7M via those media and advertising rights in ADDITION to the Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights. Not sure why that is never mentioned in these payout articles.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/big-12-announces-record-revenue-distribution#:~:text=The%20Big%2012%20Conference%20announced%20Friday%20that%20schools,year%2C%20acc ording%20to%20information%20announced%20by%20the%20league

There’s no T3 rights for the Big12 anymore(when the new contract starts). I think some ESPN+ is just tied into the T1/T2. ESPN gets more football, Fox gets more basketball.

[Coach]

Initial reports from the Pac 12's meeting today are that an actual/tangible/CONFIRMED new media rights deal still was not presented.

Instead some sort of tentative frame work for an all streaming deal was presented, where the annual payout to member schools would be heavily dependent on the # of streaming subscribers.

Good luck trying to get enough streaming subscribers to watch the Pac 9 + mid major additions which would be needed to get anywhere close to the annual payout per school with the Big 12's media rights deal.

Time to go to the Big 12, Arizona.

Yeah, it's not a great option for them. People who don't have a really GOOD option, end up presenting multiple mediocre options.

Not very good for Pac 12.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A group of Big Ten presidents have begun exploratory discussions on expansion in light of Pac 12 uncertainty, industry sources tell Yahoo Sports.<br><br>Focus is on possibly adding Oregon and Washington to move to 18 members or Cal and Stanford to reach 20. <a href="https://t.co/0kJj4twFdq">https://t.co/0kJj4twFdq</a></p>&mdash; Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1686794637086781447?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jerm]

The era of the super conference and the eventual end game of one big ass conference of blue bloods is upon us….*sigh*….

[FloridaMan88]

Big 3 conferences... Big 10, SEC, and the eventual merger of the Big 12 and ACC (with the schools from the ACC that don't move to the SEC/Big 10).

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A group of Big Ten presidents have begun exploratory discussions on expansion in light of Pac 12 uncertainty, industry sources tell Yahoo Sports.<br><br>Focus is on possibly adding Oregon and Washington to move to 18 members or Cal and Stanford to reach 20. <a href="https://t.co/0kJj4twFdq">https://t.co/0kJj4twFdq</a></p>&mdash; Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1686794637086781447?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I told you guys that Cal would be targeted.

University presidents are ivory tower driven.

[Jerm]

Big 3 conferences... Big 10, SEC, and the eventual merger of the Big 12 and ACC (with the schools from the ACC that don't move to the SEC/Big 10).

The ACC is toast….FSU just came out and basically said we’re leaving and need to formulate an escape plan. I guarantee you the other 6 schools being bandied about will the same.

[Bearcat]

The era of the super conference and the eventual end game of one big ass conference of blue bloods is upon us….*sigh*….

Posted in 2011 and now we're in year 13... LMAO

this shit is getting old - shit or get off the fucking pot - So damn tired of all this

[Mecca]

Everyone knew this would happen a long time ago, also consolidating all of the major schools in a few places makes it easier to ice out smaller schools. It also gives them power over the NCAA in doing what they want, it's probably the quickest way to playoff expansion.

[BWillie]

I dont see how Cal and Stanford make football money comparable to Michigan or Ohio State. How would they get a fair split share

[Jerm]

I dont see how Cal and Stanford make football money comparable to Michigan or Ohio State. How would they get a fair split share

Hence why I think the ultimate outcome is one giant conference of the SEC, B10, and select ACC blue bloods and pretty much fuck everyone else….

[GloucesterChief]

Hence why I think the ultimate outcome is one giant conference of the SEC, B10, and select ACC blue bloods and pretty much **** everyone else….

and then the TV money bubble collapses and athletic departments go bankrupt.

[FloridaMan88]

The ACC is toast….FSU just came out and basically said we’re leaving and need to formulate an escape plan. I guarantee you the other 6 schools being bandied about will the same.

Yep…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FSU president Richard McCullough: “We are not satisfied w/our current situation. We love the ACC. Our goal to stay in the ACC, but to stay in ACC under current situation is hard for us to figure out how we remain competitive unless there is a major change in revenue distribution…</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1686826322809487360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ChiefsCountry]

Yep…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FSU president Richard McCullough: “We are not satisfied w/our current situation. We love the ACC. Our goal to stay in the ACC, but to stay in ACC under current situation is hard for us to figure out how we remain competitive unless there is a major change in revenue distribution…</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1686826322809487360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hard to feel sorry for Free Shoes University when they turned down the SEC in 1992. South Carolina took their spot.

[Coach]

Notice that it's just only FSU that's bitching about it, but the others aren't?

All it takes to evaporate Florida State’s votes is for ESPN to tell the SEC and Big 12 that there is no pro rata after 16. ESPN has the ACC and frankly the SEC at well below market value and have them both locked up for a really long time.

Poof. Coups over.

Does FSU think the conference is just going to let them go? Is their plan to dissolve the conference and kill the media deal, because they'll have to pay that too.

[Coach]

Hard to feel sorry for Free Shoes University when they turned down the SEC in 1992. South Carolina took their spot.

FSU was the school that really pushed for a long GoR after Maryland and Rutgers bailed. Now they want someone else to wipe it off?

They can go fuck themselves.

[BWillie]

Sounds like the wheels are moving for Arizona to the Big 12.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona Board of Regents has announced a meeting Thursday night. Here is the agenda: <a href="https://t.co/A98HFSIE3r">pic.twitter.com/A98HFSIE3r</a></p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1686902394846580737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Discuss Thrower]

It would be better if there were a system out there that gets the entirety of every full D1 school into a "division" of eight schools which play a seven game round robin where the outright winner faces the champ of another division in the same "conference" for a championship. Every D1 school must schedule one FCS school and one permanent FBS non-conference rival every year.

Nine game regular season schedule with probably half of each division reaching a bowl game for a tenth game if they don't win their division. Conference champs then get to participate in a potential three game playoff to determine a true CFB championship.

[RustShack]

It would be better if there were a system out there that gets the entirety of every full D1 school into a "division" of eight schools which play a seven game round robin where the outright winner faces the champ of another division in the same "conference" for a championship. Every D1 school must schedule one FCS school and one permanent FBS non-conference rival every year.

Nine game regular season schedule with probably half of each division reaching a bowl game for a tenth game if they don't win their division. Conference champs then get to participate in a potential three game playoff to determine a true CFB championship.

So we need the B1G, SEC, and Big12 to agree to a full merger. Then the three commissioners fight to the death on who’s the commissioner.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Damn the NCAA is a complete pile of shit ROFL College sports are unwatchable already, but soon....

[BWillie]

Damn the NCAA is a complete pile of shit ROFL College sports are unwatchable already, but soon....

I'm for it. If you can get rid of the NCAA then basketball becomes a much bigger money maker. The NCAA tournament is the only reason that broke dick organization even has any money.

[Hoover]

We are going to end up with 2 major conferences, the SEC and the BIG. In the end each will have the same number of schools, adhere to the same set of rules, and will eventually schedule games against the other division.

Sixteen team playoff, 8 schools from SEC, 8 for BIG, just like the NFL. Super Bowl to determine the winner.

[FloridaMan88]

All it takes to evaporate Florida State’s votes is for ESPN to tell the SEC and Big 12 that there is no pro rata after 16. ESPN has the ACC and frankly the SEC at well below market value and have them both locked up for a really long time

The SEC and ACC locking themselves into long term deals with one primary media partner is looking more and more like a strategic error considering ESPN’s dire current financial situation.

ESPN was unwilling (unable?) to pay the SEC extra for something as incremental as going from 8 to 9 conference games.

The Big 10 had the right approach going with multiple media partners and with a deal that starts immediately… the SEC entered into their deal with ESPN in 2020, but it doesn’t actually begin until 2024… so much will have changed with ESPN in those four years and not for the better.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona Board of Regents calls Thursday night meeting. Source tells ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>⁩: “I find it hard to imagine the State of Arizona Board of Regents would be willing to allow one of its institutions to leave the Pac-12 while the other stays. That doesn&#39;t seem logical.” <a href="https://t.co/ppai3ea7l9">pic.twitter.com/ppai3ea7l9</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1686907903905501184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Al Bundy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona Board of Regents calls Thursday night meeting. Source tells ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>⁩: “I find it hard to imagine the State of Arizona Board of Regents would be willing to allow one of its institutions to leave the Pac-12 while the other stays. That doesn&#39;t seem logical.” <a href="https://t.co/ppai3ea7l9">pic.twitter.com/ppai3ea7l9</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1686907903905501184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Arizona and Arizona State will be in the Big 12.

[BWillie]

Arizona and Arizona State will be in the Big 12.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/%22It_is_certain.%22_~_The_Magic_Eight_Ball_%287246548230%29.jpg

[kcclone]

Have regents or state legislatures ever prevented a team from re-aligning conferences?

[Kiimo]

The new Big 12 is going to be a GAUNTLET in college basketball. Jeez.

[displacedinMN]

Have regents or state legislatures ever prevented a team from re-aligning conferences?

Didnt California govt try to get involved with USC/UCLA moving?

[BWillie]

The new Big 12 is going to be a GAUNTLET in college basketball. Jeez.

Especially if they add UCONN and Gonzaga as bball only

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Have regents or state legislatures ever prevented a team from re-aligning conferences?

Rumor had it for years that Oklahoma couldn't leave the Big 12 without taking along Okie Dokie State.

Otherwise, I haven't heard anything specific.

Well, I take that back. Houston was left out for Baylor when the Big 12 formed because the governor of Texas was a Baylor grad.

[Eleazar]

We are going to end up with 2 major conferences, the SEC and the BIG. In the end each will have the same number of schools, adhere to the same set of rules, and will eventually schedule games against the other division.

Sixteen team playoff, 8 schools from SEC, 8 for BIG, just like the NFL. Super Bowl to determine the winner.

Yeah. Going to be like the AFC and the NFC.

[FloridaMan88]

Have regents or state legislatures ever prevented a team from re-aligning conferences?

That's one of the many false narratives consistently spread around during this era of Realignment Madness.

Big brother state university will dump little brother state university every chance they can get and no governing entity is stepping in to stop that.

[BWillie]

One thing that does worry me is when the Big Ten and SEC absorb basically all of the power 5 for football, what does that mean for basketball? It will probably be the end of the NCAA as we know it, but I'm sure the NCAA will keep existing for the stupid NCAA Tournament which they unfairly do not distribute money to the top schools.

I unfortunately can see a world where the top 40-60 teams are in the Big Ten and SEC eventually and not part of the NCAA, and then the rest of division one will be the ONLY teams in the NCAA Tournament. The sad thing is I don't think the common fan will give a shit about the new leagues basketball. It will just be Gonzaga and Villanova and shit as the blue bloods in the basketball.

[KingPriest2]

UW

FYI: UW’s Board of Regents have scheduled a “special meeting” for tonight at 9 pm. The meeting will include an executive session, though I’m told no action will be taken.

https://twitter.com/mikevorel/status/1687138474892378112?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Sources: The Big Ten’s presidents met early Thursday morning and authorized Commissioner Tony Petitti to explore expansion and bring them back more information on Oregon and Washington as potential Big Ten members. No offers have been made,

And a deal is uncertain. There’s a political thicket with the potential additions because the moves don’t offer the current Big Ten schools any additional money. USC doesn’t have a vote, but they’ve been vocal in the past about not wanting other West Coast Big Ten teams.

Oregon and Washington would also have to come to terms with not getting a full share, which isn’t a slam dunk for them. There's potential, but significant road blocks remain.

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1687129001762942977?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

few conference realignment updates:

* All eyes remain on what University of Arizona decides -- go to Big 12 or stay in Pac 12?

* There is still some belief that the nine remaining Pac 12 could decide to stay together and agree to new media deal. We'll see. If so, it could then add SDSU, maybe others and everything stops.

Big Ten hesitant about offering expansion bids to Oregon and Washington (and perhaps Cal and Stanford) unless Pac 12 further deteriorates. If P12 sticks together, B10 likely to just stay at 16 and wait.

If Big Ten does decide to expand and offer membership it will be at a cut rate for some multiyear period (maybe 50-60 percent of media rights revenue that will range between $50-65 million annually). Still equal or better than most options for Oregon, et al.

https://twitter.com/danwetzel/status/1687122087817711616?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Sources: Tenor changed Wednesday at Arizona State in a matter of 4 hours. ASU prez was content with Pac-12/Apple deal. By 2 p.m., talk changed and a board meeting was being discussed for Thursday.

The undercurrent steering ships: Board wants Arizona and ASU to stick together.

https://twitter.com/bmarcello/status/1687124515996741632?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Matches what I’ve heard. Massive change happened in a hurry, including Crow finally coming off his Pac-12 anchor. Arizona’s leadership did a good job pushing behind the scenes and in a public narrative through reporting.

https://twitter.com/chriskarpman/status/1687142344867622913?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Translation: the BOR told Crow they would overide him if he got in the way so he got onboard.

https://twitter.com/running_ryan/status/1687150733311819780?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Friendly reminder: Big Ten “cleared & vetted” Oregon & Washington as B1G members if it makes financial sense, @ActionNetworkHQ reported last year. Last August, Oregon & B1G met in Chicago, UW & B1G met in New York. They are set to go - if B1G & network partners figure out money

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1687148692686376960?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Big Ten just trying to figure out financials at this point on Oregon & Washington, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. “There is no more research or information needed on Oregon & Washington,” B1G sources said. “We have everything we need.”

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1687157744682283008?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

The Big Ten will wait to see what happens with the Pac 12 (all eyes on Arizona). However, if the Big Ten chooses to expand, the focus is now on adding just two teams: Oregon and Washington, industry sources tell Yahoo Sports

https://twitter.com/danwetzel/status/1687167288770772992?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[displacedinMN]

Sources: The Big Ten’s presidents met early Thursday morning and authorized Commissioner Tony Petitti to explore expansion and bring them back more information on Oregon and Washington as potential Big Ten members. No offers have been made,

And a deal is uncertain. There’s a political thicket with the potential additions because the moves don’t offer the current Big Ten schools any additional money. USC doesn’t have a vote, but they’ve been vocal in the past about not wanting other West Coast Big Ten teams.

Oregon and Washington would also have to come to terms with not getting a full share, which isn’t a slam dunk for them. There's potential, but significant road blocks remain.

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1687129001762942977?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Big 10/pac 10 championship in the ROSE BOWL

[Mr. Plow]

Thanks for all the updates!

[KingPriest2]

Hmm interesting


Apple's primary media rights deal w/Pac-12 expires at end of week, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Proposal is in "low $20 million" figure per school/annually, but can fluctuate/increase based on membership size & subscription incentives, sources said

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1687171091809103872?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Apple doesn't like to wait on contracts twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy


https://twitter.com/bmarcello/status/1687176339810373633?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[Mr. Plow]

Hmm interesting


Apple's primary media rights deal w/Pac-12 expires at end of week, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Proposal is in "low $20 million" figure per school/annually, but can fluctuate/increase based on membership size & subscription incentives, sources said

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1687171091809103872?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w


Pac12: "Everyone, calm down. Streaming is where the money is. Our income is based on how many people watch our sports. We could blow the Big10, SEC, & Big12 out of the water!"

Pac12: "So all we need is 30 billion subscribers & we should hit what the Big 12 is making."

Arizona: "Um, there are only 7 billion people on the planet."

Pac12: https://media.tenor.com/ImODDkIics4AAAAM/uhhhhh.gif

[FloridaMan88]

Hmm interesting


Apple's primary media rights deal w/Pac-12 expires at end of week, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Proposal is in "low $20 million" figure per school/annually, but can fluctuate/increase based on membership size & subscription incentives, sources said

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1687171091809103872?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

They would need a ridiculously high # of subscribers... in the millions... to get the value of that media deal configuration to be anything close to the Big 12's media deal.

Good luck trying to get millions of people to sign up to watch the likes of an Oregon State-Cal football game kicking off at 10:00 p.m Eastern Time.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

I'm stupid and haven't been following this much at all but one of the conferences is going with apple+? and their deal making any money is contingent on people signing up for yet ANOTHER streaming service, am I getting this right?

lol

do these brian geniouses not understand that there's a limit to how many services people are going to get and the market is already saturated. shit look at netflix (oh wait no one does anymore) lol

[sedated]

I'm stupid and haven't been following this much at all but one of the conferences is going with apple+? and their deal making any money is contingent on people signing up for yet ANOTHER streaming service, am I getting this right?

lol

do these brian geniouses not understand that there's a limit to how many services people are going to get and the market is already saturated. shit look at netflix (oh wait no one does anymore) lol

I can only assume it was either a terrible decision from PAC officials trying to be innovative, or they really didn't have much other option.


What's strange to me is why other conferences are looking to get a piece of the west coast time zone, but being on the west coast is often used as a reason why those teams/games don't get any viewers.

[Mr. Plow]

I can only assume it was either a terrible decision from PAC officials trying to be innovative, or they really didn't have much other option.


What's strange to me is why other conferences are looking to get a piece of the west coast time zone, but being on the west coast is often used as a reason why those teams/games don't get any viewers.

I would think there are schools on the West Coast that you put them in games at 6p/7p CT their viewership will increase. But not many central/Eastern people staying up until 12a/1a to watch their games

[FloridaMan88]

I can only assume it was either a terrible decision from PAC officials trying to be innovative, or they really didn't have much other option.


What's strange to me is why other conferences are looking to get a piece of the west coast time zone, but being on the west coast is often used as a reason why those teams/games don't get any viewers.

They have no other option.

The Pac 12 has been repeatedly rejected by every other media entity.

Reportedly they went begging to NBC THREE times this past year and were flatly rejected each time.

[BWillie]

Suicide watch for Bill Walton?

Conference of losers about to be no more.

Dude is gonna overdose on shrooms and LSD somewhere.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big Ten just trying to figure out financials at this point on Oregon &amp; Washington, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. “There is no more research or information needed on Oregon &amp; Washington,” B1G sources said. “We have everything we need.”</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1687157744682283008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[KingPriest2]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big Ten just trying to figure out financials at this point on Oregon &amp; Washington, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ActionNetworkHQ</a>. “There is no more research or information needed on Oregon &amp; Washington,” B1G sources said. “We have everything we need.”</p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1687157744682283008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Already posted.

[displacedinMN]

This has been like "lead, follow or get the hell out of the way"

[KingPriest2]

Not sure how legit this is. Only place I seen it. But the guy is usually right

BREAKING: Have to report the news that I'm hearing (even if it's not good news) and the #Utes have an invite from Yormark and will commit to the #Big12 tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/gswaim/status/1687243865839878146?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Arizona is in deep discussions with the Big 12 about joining the league. Some finality is expected in the near future, as there’s an Arizona Board of Regents meeting scheduled for later tonight.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1687262837582798848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[KingPriest2]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Arizona is in deep discussions with the Big 12 about joining the league. Some finality is expected in the near future, as there’s an Arizona Board of Regents meeting scheduled for later tonight.</p>&mdash; Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1687262837582798848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pete late and pointing out the very obvious.

[KingPriest2]

ABOR are in executive decision as we speak. Not open to public

Big 12 executives met Thursday to approve the application of Arizona as a 14th member, sources tell @YahooSports, paving the way for the Wildcats to enter the conference. It is another step in UA’s path to join. The final step would be approval from its Board of Regents.

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1687279556695146496?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w


Decisions from Big 12 expansion targets Arizona State and Utah have not progressed as quickly as Arizona, but they remain viable options for the league and a conclusion is expected in a matter of days, sources tell @YahooSports.

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1687281773145731072?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1687284971315007488?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

This might help the big 12 pick these 2 up. Due to the low sharing amount. And the cost of travel.

If the Big 12 gets the four corners and then they can present to the two that the travel would never lower costs due to the four corners 6 Pac 12 schools. They’re playing them anyway.

Big Ten’s offer to Washington & Oregon is expected to be $35-40 million annually per team - a figure that, with the additional cross-country travel, could create some hesitancy, sources tell @YahooSports.

However, exits from the Four Corner schools could sway UW and UO to leave.

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/status/1687284229506306050?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[FloridaMan88]

Pac 12 claiming they are holding “positive” meetings as Arizona, Washington, and Oregon are heading out the door.

Spin attempt fail.

[Coach]

The SEC and ACC locking themselves into long term deals with one primary media partner is looking more and more like a strategic error considering ESPN’s dire current financial situation.

ESPN was unwilling (unable?) to pay the SEC extra for something as incremental as going from 8 to 9 conference games.

The Big 10 had the right approach going with multiple media partners and with a deal that starts immediately… the SEC entered into their deal with ESPN in 2020, but it doesn’t actually begin until 2024… so much will have changed with ESPN in those four years and not for the better.

Big 12 just did a masterpiece on contract negotiations. Their contract will expire in 5-6 years, most likely will get a raise while the ACC contract will likely still be paying the same amount, and those bitch ass FSU crybabies will still be whining.

[FloridaMan88]

Big 12 just did a masterpiece on contract negotiations. Their contract will expire in 5-6 years, most likely will get a raise while the ACC contract will likely still be paying the same amount, and those bitch ass FSU crybabies will still be whining.

The Big 12 should give Brett Yormark a lifetime contract.

[Chiefspants]

How do people like this end up in these positions?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“it’s almost like he’s being dragged across the finish line,” a person directly familiar with tonight’s ABOR meeting told me about their view ASU President Michael Crow on the school’s potential move to the Big-12.<br><br>More:<a href="https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN">https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN</a> <a href="https://t.co/zcNC6xHCwu">pic.twitter.com/zcNC6xHCwu</a></p>&mdash; Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisKarpman/status/1687298806218690561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The hoops fan in me would be okay UCONN as a consolation. UCONN, Arizona, and Houston entering the Big 12 is just insane to think about at this juncture.

[Coach]

How do people like this end up in these positions?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“it’s almost like he’s being dragged across the finish line,” a person directly familiar with tonight’s ABOR meeting told me about their view ASU President Michael Crow on the school’s potential move to the Big-12.<br><br>More:<a href="https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN">https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN</a> <a href="https://t.co/zcNC6xHCwu">pic.twitter.com/zcNC6xHCwu</a></p>&mdash; Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisKarpman/status/1687298806218690561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The hoops fan in me would be okay UCONN as a consolation. UCONN, Arizona, and Houston entering the Big 12 is just insane to think about at this juncture.

This is where if I was Yormark and/or the Big 12 Presidents, I would give the AZ BOR an ultimatum.

Either remove Crow and ASU will get accepted or enjoy the hellhole of Mountain West.

I hope they do that. Crow needs to be gone. That guy has been a staunch supporter of the Pac-12, as he'd long been an advocate of former commissioner Larry Scott, even after the league's trajectory went all fucked up.

[KingPriest2]

Figures Washington is going into Executive session. Not public

[KingPriest2]

Washington meeting is adjourned


10 35 pm pst

Supposedly 2 of the regents raised 2 issues. Not sure what it’s about

Tomorrow. PAC 8 leaders are meeting Going over the apple offer again which expires tomorrow.

Arizona looks good as gone. Big 12 approved them today

ASU Crow is killing his regents by dragging his feet. Wants to hear more tomorrow

Utah is waking up. Listening to the Big 12

Oregon and Washington. Has a low offer by the Big 10. 35 mil Washington needs 10 mil more for travel So I’m hearing Big 12 is looking more and more.

So will tomorrow finally be the start of the funeral of the PAC 12?

[lawrenceRaider]

Suicide watch for Bill Walton?

Conference of losers about to be no more.

Dude is gonna overdose on shrooms and LSD somewhere.

I love Bill Walton. Would be cool if we started getting him on B12 games.

[Al Bundy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multiples sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DanWetzel</a> and me that the tides are turning: The Pac-12 meeting this morning to sign a Grant of Rights, which <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YahooSports</a> reported last night, remains on schedule &amp; expectation is all presidents will show.<a href="https://t.co/hW0RYiddZs">https://t.co/hW0RYiddZs</a> <a href="https://t.co/F1BTl2R6c5">https://t.co/F1BTl2R6c5</a></p>&mdash; Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1687453545266638848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[KingPriest2]

At last minute, Pac-12 may stay together & sign Grant of Rights. After Monday’s media rights offer, P12 held multiple zoom meetings this week. Arizona’s Bobby Robbins appeared fully committed to Pac-12 so much that one participant said: “If Arizona leaves, he should win an Oscar"

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1687459635098189824?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

don't know how Robbins and Heeke would be able to navigate staying in the conference at this point. At least from a local public perception. It's not good, Arizona fans don't like the Pac-12 to being with for the most pa

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1687465930585231360?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

There is a very real chance that Arizona makes the decision to go alone.

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1687461960542281728?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[KingPriest2]

Arizona was still planning to go to the Big 12 after last night's meeting. Coaches were informed and it was full steam ahead. We have said it's not over until it's over but it would still be one of the most shocking turnarounds I have seen.

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1687460359521886209?s=46&t=BPzA4mgIn6FHKMqlrjZx2w

[Mr. Plow]

I have no idea who most of these people tweeting info are, so take it with a grain of salt.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona is doing everything it can to leave. ABOR wants the schools to be together and has authority. Michael Crow is pushing for more consideration. Pac-12 is meeting this morning on a grant of rights. It’s getting very messy. Crow has always preferred the Pac-12 stay together. <a href="https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8">https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8</a></p>&mdash; Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisKarpman/status/1687468132695490561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BWillie]

All money aside, how much more travel expenses does a school from the Pac have to incur should they join the Big 12? 31.7M vs 21M but if you have 5M more in travel expenses maybe thats the argument. Either way you want your program on regular TV for eye balls and exposure.

[KingPriest2]

I have no idea who most of these people tweeting info are, so take it with a grain of salt.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arizona is doing everything it can to leave. ABOR wants the schools to be together and has authority. Michael Crow is pushing for more consideration. Pac-12 is meeting this morning on a grant of rights. It’s getting very messy. Crow has always preferred the Pac-12 stay together. <a href="https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8">https://t.co/ovQnQ0LnD8</a></p>&mdash; Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisKarpman/status/1687468132695490561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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