If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[patteeu]

I understand the concept of a Hall of Fame guy versus the field and why I eventually ended with a Matt Hasselback reference.

I think A. Smith is of a MH level (a tad better IMO) and with the correct supporting cast, can actually be a title contender type of QB.

I think that we've become so over-the-top in terms of expecting the Chiefs to get that Hall of Fame QB that we're instantly denigrating the capabilities of a guy like A. Smith, especially in a Reid type offense (and especially one with aspects of a Childress/Ault union of the minds). Which is ironic in that this franchise has suffered through some of the worst QB situations over the past 40 years.

Many around here seem to be of the mindset of "Well, he ****ing sucks because some other team was willing to trade him so we should draft Peyton Manning/Tom Brady/Troy Aikman/Joe Montana/Johnny Unitas/John Elway because, well, you know, a guy like that is always going to be sitting there for the Chiefs in every draft."

And that just ain't gonna happen.

So, what we have here is a guy who Andy Reid obviously feels quite strongly about in terms of running his system. A guy who was finally coming into his own after suffering through some of the worst head coaches and offensive coordinators of the past decade. A veritable carousel of crap every single year was the fate suffered by A. Smith during his time in San Francisco. And yet, despite this avalanche of horse shit piled upon him, he remained focused, determined and positive. When he finally got a decent HC, the guy started producing.

So, what do we have here in KC with Smith? Do we simply have a re-tread QB that won't distinguish himself beyond a middling level, or do we have a Steve Young, who was basically deemed a bust by the Buccaneers who drafted Testaverde and traded Young to the 49ers for an incredible haul of draft picks at the time of a 2nd and 4th rounder. Young, deemed a cast off bust, and the 49ers were routinely criticized by the fans and press as a waste of a trade and far too expensive because of the picks.

However, west coast system guru Bill Walsh liked the traits that Young brought to the table (athleticism, accuracy, smarts) and when a 30 year old Young got the chance to start for a decent head coach in a new situation, he went on to a Hall of Fame level career despite becoming the 49er's starting QB in his eighth career season.

...

At the risk of committing a repost faux pas, here's a trivia question:

Q: Who was the starting QB for the first team Andy Reid coached (as a graduate assistant)?

A:
Steve Young

Reid also played one year with Young, but Young wasn't the starter and I don't know how much Reid actually played.

[SAUTO]

So, you're just gonna go with they lied to him? Well, it does help justify what you believe to think that. Its kind of convenient.

I'm saying that the team isn't going to tell the player the truth every time.

I don't know what they were going to do but they had to trade some draft picks for fear of not being able to afford them AFTER trading Smith...

they might have kept him, but not at 7.5 million IMO.
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[Messier]

ROFL

You're helpless.

Back at ya.

[SAUTO]

They sure could afford him. They were active in FA you idiot. So, they don't Sign Dorsey and NA. Just going by what people actually said and not my theory.

What do Dorsey and na cost them this year?

People say things that don't happen all the time, especially in sports
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[chiefzilla1501]

Because their "rookie QB" just happens to be an average Joe...

Andrew Luck is a very good QB. But he's a rookie. He is not yet Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Flacco, Peyton, or Rivers. So you bring up 2-14 but completely brush off that a not yet elite QB took that same team to 11-5. So what was your point, exactly?

[jd1020]

Back at ya.

I don't need help.

I can clearly see the big bold letters written on the wall.

Dorsey and NA cost them half of what Smith would have cost them.

Any other dumbass theory you wish to come up with?

[Messier]

I'm saying that the team isn't going to tell the player the truth every time.

I don't know what they were going to do but they had to trade some draft picks for fear of not being able to afford them AFTER trading Smith...

they might have kept him, but not at 7.5 million IMO.
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But do they just out and out lie to them?

This topic is always in play with trades. If we just wait, they'll release him. I'd guess Reid and Dorsey asked themselves that question. They aren't stupid. They clearly didn't think he was getting released, and they were talking extensively to the 49er. Smith didn't think he was getting released. People who do think he was getting released are fans without any real knowledge, and a low opinion of the player.

[SAUTO]

But do they just out and out lie to them?

This topic is always in play with trades. If we just wait, they'll release him. I'd guess Reid and Dorsey asked themselves that question. They aren't stupid. They clearly didn't think he was getting released, and they were talking extensively to the 49er. Smith didn't think he was getting released. People who do think he was getting released are fans without any real knowledge, and a low opinion of the player. yeah I'm sure teams have lied before. It happens.
They aren't stupid but you admit they over paid by a round iyo. What about the second/third next year? What about reports no one else was giving up anything close to that? What about all the reports that there was no competition for Smith's services?

what about their cap situation?

Too much there to just say "I don't think the team would lie"

We will never know for sure but I don't think he's there at all, especially at 7.5. He would have had to take a substantial pay cut.

And also did they REALLY want that guy sitting behind Kap? What happens if there are some struggles? A team divided?

Just to much for him to be there
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[Messier]

I don't need help.

I can clearly see the big bold letters written on the wall.

Dorsey and NA cost them half of what Smith would have cost them.

Any other dumbass theory you wish to come up with?

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

[jd1020]

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

No one ever lies, especially when they have something to gain by doing so.

I want to live in your world.

[SAUTO]

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

You said the chiefs thought he wasn't getting cut because they were in deep contract with the niners.

LMAO at that buddy. Surely the niners wouldn't try to trade a player and tell the team they would have to cut him of the trade didn't go through. LMAO
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[SAUTO]

My dumb ass theory is using what people said. Your conclusion is that they're lying.

Everyone lies at some point in life.
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[jd1020]

I have to admit, though... The 49ers did all they could to keep Alex Smith. You simply don't agree to trade a guy 1 month before its even possible unless you really really really want him on the team.

[SAUTO]

I have to admit, though... The 49ers did all they could to keep Alex Smith. You simply don't agree to trade a guy 1 month before its even possible unless you really really really want him on the team.

Hell they let him get to free agency the year prior and tried to get old, broke neck who hadn't even played the year before.

They REALLY wanted him around.

Oh and they tried for broke neck when they had told Smith they wanted him back and the courting of the neck was behind Smith's back.

But they wouldn't lie, right?
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[SAUTO]

They lied to him to year before but it was all true this year.

Hell Smith isn't going to say at our pc that he was going to get cut. Lol at that
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[jd1020]

But they wouldn't lie, right?
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Nope. Harbaugh is a saint. He would never do such a thing. He loved Alex Smith. He wanted him to retire as a 49er.

[Messier]

No one ever lies, especially when they have something to gain by doing so.

I want to live in your world.

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots.

[jd1020]

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots.

Actually, it's not. You have yet to provide any information that shows they could have even considered keeping Smith even if they actually wanted to.

Keep on being a retard, though. I'm done with you.

[Messier]

Nope. Harbaugh is a saint. He would never do such a thing. He loved Alex Smith. He wanted him to retire as a 49er.

Your belief that JH lied and Reid was scammed is directly influenced by your opinion of Smith.

[SAUTO]

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots. they couldn't afford him
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[SAUTO]

Your belief that JH lied and Reid was scammed is directly influenced by your opinion of Smith.

Not for me. I think the niners played their hand very well and Reid really wanted Smith.

Perfect storm.
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[milkman]

No one always lies either. But that fact I believe they would e kept Smith without a trade is as reasonable as your belief they would've released him, actually more reasonable, because my belief, doesn't rely on connecting theoretical dots.

If they hadn't gotten two picks from the Chiefs, they would have gotten a pick from another QB hungry team.

The 9ers weren't going to just cut Smith, but he was never going to be a 9er in 2013.

[Messier]

If they hadn't gotten two picks from the Chiefs, they would have gotten a pick from another QB hungry team.

The 9ers weren't going to just cut Smith, but he was never going to be a 9er in 2013.

I think so too. He was going to get traded to somebody.

[Messier]

they couldn't afford him
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Sure they could.

[SAUTO]

Sure they could.

At 7.5? Prove it
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[Rausch]

I think so too. He was going to get traded to somebody.

He was going to get cut.

We were fucking dumb enough to be the only player...

[milkman]

At 7.5? Prove it
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9ers were never going onto 2013 with Smith on the roster.

But we all know how easily capologists manipulate the cap.

If they actually had wanted to keep him, they would have found a way, even with that 7.5 mil hit.

[SAUTO]

9ers were never going onto 2013 with Smith on the roster.

But we all know how easily capologists manipulate the cap.

If they actually had wanted to keep him, they would have found a way, even with that 7.5 mil hit. do note we are going on hypothetical restructure theories?

That's just as crazy as saying the team might have lied...



I get what you are saying but at the point he was traded they could not afford him.
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[milkman]

He was going to get cut.

We were ****ing dumb enough to be the only player...

With the GMs in this league showing us how little they valued the QBs in this draft (a mistake, IMO), Smith became a viable commodity on the trade market.

The 9ers were going to get a pick for him.

[milkman]

do note we are going on hypothetical restructure theories?

That's just as crazy as saying the team might have lied...



I get what you are saying but at the point he was traded they could not afford him.
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A fact that is irrelevant to the overall actual picture of things.

[SAUTO]

And also he's saying that but CAN'T prove it milk.


Because without restructures of others they couldn't have afforded him
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[SAUTO]

A fact that is irrelevant to the overall actual picture of things.

I disagree. They didn't want him around Imo
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[SAUTO]

With the GMs in this league showing us how little they valued the QBs in this draft (a mistake, IMO), Smith became a viable commodity on the trade market.

The 9ers were going to get a pick for him. nothing like what we gave up IMO though
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[milkman]

I disagree. They didn't want him around Imo
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You are arguing that the 9ers didn't want him going into 2013.

I agree.

But whether they wanted him or not, and whether proof can be provided that they could afford to keep him at the time they traded him is irrelevant.

You are right.
The 9ers lied when they told him they wanted to keep him.

But Messier is right, also.
If they did want to keep him, they would have afforded him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They're saying the same things about the Chiefs

The Chiefs were the worst team in the NFL last year

Teams are penciling in a W when they see the Chiefs on their schedule

There is no such thing in the NFL

[ChiefsCountry]

With the GMs in this league showing us how little they valued the QBs in this draft (a mistake, IMO),

If you look at the franchises that needed quarterbacks it really shouldn't suprise you given their track records with quarterbacks - Chiefs, Raiders, Cardinals, and Bills. Not exactly the teams that draft quarterbacks in the first place.

[Mav]

At 7.5? Prove it
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Im not starting a flame war. kaepernick counts less than 700k towards their salary cap. they could of kept alex smith if they needed to. They have one of the best cap guys in the business. Paarag. They just wouldn't of redone the contracts of Anthony Davis, and Iupati this year. They weren't going to let alex go for nothing. They are cut throat like that, as any team with assets should be.

[SAUTO]

Im not starting a flame war. kaepernick counts less than 700k towards their salary cap. they could of kept alex smith if they needed to. They have one of the best cap guys in the business. Paarag. They just wouldn't of redone the contracts of Anthony Davis, and Iupati this year. They weren't going to let alex go for nothing. They are cut throat like that, as any team with assets should be. so to keep a backup for one year they wouldn't have re done contracts of young starters? That deserved them?

Sorry but that just sounds dumb.
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[Messier]

so to keep a backup for one year they wouldn't have re done contracts of young starters? That deserved them?

Sorry but that just sounds dumb.
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You said they couldn't afford him. They really could, quite easily

[SAUTO]

They HAD to get iupati and Davis this year.

Kap and Aldon Smith come up next year.


Let's not re do iupati an all pro to keep Alex Smith...


How does that sound when you say it FAN?
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[SAUTO]

You said they couldn't afford him. They really could, quite easily

Again not true.


Prove it.

they needed help to sign draft picks dude
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[SAUTO]

And they easily could have at quite the detriment to the future?


Makes sense
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[Mav]

Okay. Fisher won't be a career RT.
Even if he is, Chris Mortensen reported at least a month before the draft, that Andy Reid doesn't view left, as more important than Right, and that they are equal, and they took Fisher with the understanding that he could be a franchise right tackle.
True. But he very well may be one the next 4 or 5 years.
Correct.
I'm going to change my prediction from 9-7 to 10-6 with recent events.

Jags aren't a good team and they lost their best receiver for the opener and the Chargers losing Ingram and still not having a LT is gonna hit them hard.

Jags, Bills, Browns and Eagles aren't good teams. I don't think the Titans are that good either since Locker looks like a bust. Add to the fact that Oakland is the worst team in the league and the Chargers look weak.

I think it's a very good possibility we sweep the Raiders and Chargers. The Raiders lost all of their front 7, Huff and DHB.

The Chargers have Rivers, but their OL is still pathetic and they aren't going to get any pressure on the QB this year, which is a recipe for disaster.

We have some tough games, but all but 2 are at home, and one of those games is right after the bye week.

Hopefully we don't get injuries, but as it stands now, I think we are capable of securing a 6th seed.
Those teams all seem to be better. Especially the browns. Eagles are a toss up though, as I have very little confidence in anything chip Kelly is doing. he seems to be jon gruden at the moment, hording qbs like the apocalypse is coming.
You're getting 7-9. At best.
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Still 5 wins better than last year. And I think the common perception is that your prediction will be a worst case scenario.
so to keep a backup for one year they wouldn't have re done contracts of young starters? That deserved them?

Sorry but that just sounds dumb.
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It may sound dumb to you, but the fact remains that they had less than 10 mil total tied up in the qb position, and were dealing from a position of strength. I don't think there is any way they would of cut him. I really don't.

[Rausch]

For us 2 years is nothing.

Smith will be gone and we'll be on to our new last grasp in no time...

[Mav]

They HAD to get iupati and Davis this year.

Kap and Aldon Smith come up next year.


Let's not re do iupati an all pro to keep Alex Smith...


How does that sound when you say it FAN?
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It doesn't make sense to me, but again, we are talking from a business perspective, that they weren't going to just let alex smith go, and yes, essentially the chiefs were bidding against themselves, and they went all in. It was not smart in my eyes if I were a chiefs fan, I just understood why they did it. Moderate contract, that they can cut after next season if he flops, and if he doesn't, considering that he hasn't demanded an extension, it almost becomes worth while if Andy Reid is right, and Alex Smith is indeed the qb that even I don't think he is. That's what Fan says I guess.

[SAUTO]

Wait they haven't even extended iupati.

They are talking but ithasn't happened. Lmao.
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[Rausch]

It doesn't make sense to me, but again, we are talking from a business perspective, that they weren't going to just let alex smith go, and yes, essentially the chiefs were bidding against themselves, and they went all in.

Soooooooo...they were willing to let Smith walk...

[SAUTO]

They are going to give a second/thirdnext year for a player they are cutting?


Makes it seem even worse that it could be a possibility
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[Mav]

Wait they haven't even extended iupati.

They are talking but ithasn't happened. Lmao.
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Reports are he will be done before Camp. And aldon smith wont have his done for two more years. Next year they have to resign Cowboy, and Crabtree before they hit the market, and redo Kaep.

[Rausch]

They are going to give a second/thirdnext year for a player they are cutting?


Makes it seem even worse that it could be a possibility
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Smith being let go after year 2 is a PROBABILITY...

[Mav]

Soooooooo...they were willing to let Smith walk...

That's what they said, but we all know that he was going to get traded, they just set the bar high, a lot higher than anyone thought, and the chiefs bit. cant be mad at the 49ers for that, but that's not the point, the point was, if they wanted to, they could of kept him. They called everyones bluff, and the chiefs called it.

[Mav]

Smith being let go after year 2 is a PROBABILITY...

Shrugs. depends on this season. You have to have someone to replace the player you have don't you think? Or are you that firm of a believer in Tyler Bray, or Chase Daniel?

ATM id rather have alex smith.

[SAUTO]

Reports are he will be done before Camp. And aldon smith wont have his done for two more years. Next year they have to resign Cowboy, and Crabtree before they hit the market, and redo Kaep.

You just said they would not have re done it. They haven't
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[Rausch]

That's what they said, but we all know that he was going to get traded, they just set the bar high, a lot higher than anyone thought, and the chiefs bit.

True.

...cant be mad at the 49ers for that...

I can and will for years.


but that's not the point, the point was, if they wanted to, they could of kept him. They called everyones bluff, and the chiefs called it.

That was never going to happen.

NEVER...

[chiefzilla1501]

If you look at the franchises that needed quarterbacks it really shouldn't suprise you given their track records with quarterbacks - Chiefs, Raiders, Cardinals, and Bills. Not exactly the teams that draft quarterbacks in the first place.

I think it's more important to look at who's drafting the QB, not necessarily the team.

Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, Doug Marrone are all QB guys. Chip Kelly is an offensive guy. Chudzinski/Norv Turner are QB guys. Then you have the Jets, Jaguars, Vikings, Titans.

I think it's pretty apparent that there were plenty of teams who needed a QB and understand the importance of the position, but just didn't like what was out there.

[Chiefshrink]

yes, essentially the chiefs were bidding against themselves, and they went all in.

No other teams involved ? Seriously ? You don't go all in 'initially' giving up 2-2nd picks when you are the only bidder.:rolleyes:

[Rausch]

No other teams involved ? Seriously ? You don't go all in 'initially' giving up 2-2nd picks when you are the only bidder.:rolleyes:

We do.

[Mav]

You just said they would not have re done it. They haven't
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Okay fine, ill go back to this point I guess when its actually done :doh!:
True.



I can and will for years.
I cant blame you here, unless it works out for the chiefs, then ill remind you of it lol



That was never going to happen.

NEVER...

I think it's more important to look at who's drafting the QB, not necessarily the team.

Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, Doug Marrone are all QB guys. Chip Kelly is an offensive guy. Chudzinski/Norv Turner are QB guys. Then you have the Jets, Jaguars, Vikings, Titans.

I think it's pretty apparent that there were plenty of teams who needed a QB and understand the importance of the position, but just didn't like what was out there.

they finally have a guy who understands qbs. marty Mohrningweg. Very much like norv, he is just an awful head coach, but man, he can call a game, and puts his qbs in postions to succeed.

[Mav]

No other teams involved ? Seriously ? You don't go all in 'initially' giving up 2-2nd picks when you are the only bidder.:rolleyes:

No no, you are missing the point, now, you nor I know exactly what went on, but it was said that the Chiefs were the ONLY TEAM to offer two picks, so at that point, they were bidding against themselves. And again, that could be false but from an outside observer, you can only take what you hear......

[Messier]

The stories about how no other teams were involved came out just days before the deal with the Chiefs was leaked. It could be that at no time was another team involved, but if they knew the Chiefs early on negotiated a deal for Smith, they'd claim no involvement.

If the Chiefs walked away, Smith would've been traded to someone. For what I have no idea.

[Mav]

The stories about how no other teams were involved came out just days before the deal with the Chiefs was leaked. It could be that at no time was another team involved, but if they knew the Chiefs early on negotiated a deal for Smith, they'd claim no involvement.

If the Chiefs walked away, Smith would've been traded to someone. For what I have no idea.

Unlucky for the chiefs fans that are upset, lucky for alex smith.

This was the best possible scenario for HIM, not necessarily the chiefs fans that hate the move, and wanted a qb drafted 1.1.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I believe(for no other reason than I want to) the bidding was between the Chiefs and Bills. Cards are in their division and the Jets had cap issues at the time. Not letting the Bills have him is an error in my opinion, we will see.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Holy fucking shit people, y'all can't seriously think that SF was just going to let Smith go. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. They knew they were going to get something for Smith, LOOK AT THE MARKET THIS YEAR, he was obviously the best of the crop. Worst case scenario is that they'd keep him another year and keep him as a high level backup, hell, they'd still have less of a total cap hit at the QB position than a good part of the league.

[Rasputin]

Unlucky for the chiefs fans that are upset, lucky for alex smith.

This was the best possible scenario for HIM, not necessarily the chiefs fans that hate the move, and wanted a qb drafted 1.1.



This "best fit scenario for Smith" is going be dependent just on how well he plays for KC and win over some of these fans. If he struggles early and we don't get some wins it could get ugly for him. Depends on how the crowd is going handle if we don't get some wins.

The expectations are going be high and more demanding than in San Fran. Coach Reid says he wants a passing attack and pass often offense so the pressure is really on Alex Smith to perform. It's going depend on Andy Reid recognizing Alex Smith faults also and see if he allows the running game to help him out.

They have to go out and prove that this trade was worth it and I think they don't have much window of opportunity to do it.


Chiefs fans are wanting results we are expecting results in wins.


So this could be a good fit for Alex Smith to get an uncontested starting job but the pressure to win is on him.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

The Chiefs haven't had a QB play healthy for a whole season in years. Herm's was a M*A*S*H unit. Welcome Alex!

[milkman]

This "best fit scenario for Smith" is going be dependent just on how well he plays for KC and win over some of these fans. If he struggles early and we don't get some wins it could get ugly for him. Depends on how the crowd is going handle if we don't get some wins.

The expectations are going be high and more demanding than in San Fran. Coach Reid says he wants a passing attack and pass often offense so the pressure is really on Alex Smith to perform. It's going depend on Andy Reid recognizing Alex Smith faults also and see if he allows the running game to help him out.

They have to go out and prove that this trade was worth it and I think they don't have much window of opportunity to do it.


Chiefs fans are wanting results we are expecting results in wins.


So this could be a good fit for Alex Smith to get an uncontested starting job but the pressure to win is on him.

There is not going to be any pressure on Alex Smith from this fanbase next season.

They will, as they have in the past, find excuses and blame other areas of the team.

It took 4 years for Matt Cassel to be the focus of fan reaction.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And for those in this thread that think Eli Manning isn't elite, I give you Ramses Barden.

Eli's inconsistency is due, to a large degree, to the fact that he plays behind one of the worst O-Lines in the league.

But he is a guy that makes big plays in the biggest moments, and that to me is exactly what defines elite.

Actually, there are a number of definitions for elite QB.

Peyton Manning is elite, because he can carry a team through the regular season, but unlike his little brother, he shrinks in the biggest moments, and there's no way in hell he wins more SBs behind that sorry than Eli has.

BOOM.
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[Rasputin]

There is not going to be any pressure on Alex Smith from this fanbase next season.

They will, as they have in the past, find excuses and blame other areas of the team.

It took 4 years for Matt Cassel to be the focus of fan reaction.



Then I can only speak for myself. I want results. The same fans you speak of wouldn't be patient with a rooky quarterback but they will give Alex Smith a pass.

This is the difference with the "true fan" fan base.

I'd give a rooky a few years and if he struggles his first year be patient and have fun when he does good and grows up in front of us. We ( I ) miss out on what we could have in the future.

[Messier]

There is not going to be any pressure on Alex Smith from this fanbase next season.

They will, as they have in the past, find excuses and blame other areas of the team.

It took 4 years for Matt Cassel to be the focus of fan reaction.

No it didn't. He was on the hot seat (with fans) after his first year. If 2010 hadn't gone surprisingly well, he would've had no support after two years.

I think everyone's patience is thin, and if Smith has a year like Cassel had in 2009, the fans, and hopefully the coaches will be looking for his replacement in 2014.

[SAUTO]

Looking for his replacement while giving up a third, at least for the guy in the same year?

Good trade
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[splatbass]

unproven as a Chief. We shall see...

And you know good and well the hate is about is inability to be more than game manager who will NOT take this team to a SB victory. The Niners realized this, why can't you?
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He came within overtime of the NFCC to getting to the SB, as close as you can get without actually getting there, so your point is 100% pure BS.

[OnTheWarpath15]

He came within overtime of the NFCC to getting to the SB, as close as you can get without actually getting there, so your point is 100% pure BS.

When Mark Sanchez has a 4-2 playoff record, two AFCCG'S, and a 9:1 TD:INT ratio, it was the defense and running game that got them there.

When the Niners fall short, with a superior roster, and inferior numbers for Smith compared to Sanchez - people imply that Smith was the reason the Niners even came close.

This place is always good for a laugh.

[Bowser]

When Mark Sanchez has a 4-2 playoff record, two AFCCG'S, and a 9:1 TD:INT ratio, it was the defense and running game that got them there.

When the Niners fall short, with a superior roster, and inferior numbers for Smith compared to Sanchez - people imply that Smith was the reason the Niners even came close.

This place is always good for a laugh.

You shut your whore mouth. San Fransisco quarterbacks always bring success here in KC. ALWAYS

[OnTheWarpath15]

You shut your whore mouth. San Fransisco quarterbacks always bring success here in KC. ALWAYS

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

[Bowser]

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me.

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[Bowser]

My favorite Alex Smith stat I've heard so far - He has thrown for over 300 yards in his career THREE times. Is that right? I mean, is that even possible for a guy that's been in the league eight years?

[Hammock Parties]

My favorite Alex Smith stat I've heard so far - He has thrown for over 300 yards in his career THREE times. Is that right? I mean, is that even possible for a guy that's been in the league eight years?

He ain't got SHIT on Matt Cassel.

[OnTheWarpath15]

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ROFL

[RunKC]

When Mark Sanchez has a 4-2 playoff record, two AFCCG'S, and a 9:1 TD:INT ratio, it was the defense and running game that got them there.

When the Niners fall short, with a superior roster, and inferior numbers for Smith compared to Sanchez - people imply that Smith was the reason the Niners even came close.

This place is always good for a laugh.

Sanchez might not even start this year. So there's that.

[Bowser]

My favorite Alex Smith stat I've heard so far - He has thrown for over 300 yards in his career THREE times. Is that right? I mean, is that even possible for a guy that's been in the league eight years?

Just looked it up, and holy shit it's true. Wow.

[OnTheWarpath15]

My favorite Alex Smith stat I've heard so far - He has thrown for over 300 yards in his career THREE times. Is that right? I mean, is that even possible for a guy that's been in the league eight years?

Yeah, that one is fun.

I like the 50 QBR average (ESPN Metric) over the last four years.

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah, that one is fun.

I like the 50 QBR average (ESPN Metric) over the last four years.

Yeah but only 1.5 of those years count!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sanchez might not even start this year. So there's that.

I'm not making a case for Sanchez, you dolt.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of this board.

[Bowser]

Yeah, that one is fun.

I like the 50 QBR average (ESPN Metric) over the last four years.

Well, should I :facepalm: or should I ROFL ?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Yeah but only 1.5 of those years count!

That raises it to 60. Still not good enough.

[RunKC]

So wait a minute. People are saying that Alex Smith sucks because he can't throw 300 yards in a game, but yet Mark Sanchez has never thrown 300 yards in a playoff game.

In fact, all of the Sanchize's playoff wins he didn't even throw 200 yards!

Alex Smtih threw for more passing yards in his playoff game than any playoff game Sanchez played in!

LMAO

[O.city]

So wait a minute. People are saying that Alex Smith sucks because he can't throw 300 yards in a game, but yet Mark Sanchez has never thrown 300 yards in a playoff game.

In fact, all of the Sanchize's playoff wins he didn't even throw 200 yards!

Alex Smtih threw for more passing yards in his playoff game than any playoff game Sanchez played in!

LMAO

So Alex couldn't do it in 8 seasons more than three times but Sanchez hasn't done it in 6 games against the best teams in the league so it's the same?

[Hammock Parties]

So wait a minute. People are saying that Alex Smith sucks because he can't throw 300 yards in a game, but yet Mark Sanchez has never thrown 300 yards in a playoff game.

In fact, all of the Sanchize's playoff wins he didn't even throw 200 yards!

Alex Smtih threw for more passing yards in his playoff game than any playoff game Sanchez played in!

LMAO

Who cares about Mark Sanchez? He sucks, too.

And so does Alex Smith.

Fuck 'em both.

Chocolate Penii will be a major name brand in New York soon.

[OnTheWarpath15]

So wait a minute. People are saying that Alex Smith sucks because he can't throw 300 yards in a game, but yet Mark Sanchez has never thrown 300 yards in a playoff game.

In fact, all of the Sanchize's playoff wins he didn't even throw 200 yards!

Alex Smtih threw for more passing yards in his playoff game than any playoff game Sanchez played in!

LMAO

Terri Schiavo called, she wants her brain back.

[RunKC]

The people who are saying we have no chance to get to a SB with Alex Smith because he's a "game manager" are the same people who like Sanchez.

Sanchez had the exact same role in 2009 and 2010. He was a game manager who almost made the SB.

[RealSNR]

Oh man if Geno Smith perseveres through all this bad shit in New York and winds up being a great QB...

Let's just say I'm going to be swinging my dick around this place even harder than I was during last season

[OnTheWarpath15]

The people who are saying we have no chance to get to a SB with Alex Smith because he's a "game manager" are the same people who like Sanchez.

Sanchez had the exact same role in 2009 and 2010. He was a game manager who almost made the SB.

He was also a rookie and 2nd year player with the potential for growth.

Alex Smith is STILL a game manager, and has 8 years under his belt.

Keep spinning your wheels.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Oh man if Geno Smith perseveres through all this bad shit in New York and winds up being a great QB...

Let's just say I'm going to be swinging my dick around this place even harder than I was during last season

If he does, you'll deserve it, because he's in a shitty situation.

[RunKC]

He was also a rookie and 2nd year player with the potential for growth.

Alex Smith is STILL a game manager, and has 8 years under his belt.

Keep spinning your wheels.

Mark Sanchez is a game manager who might not even start this year.

Alex Smith has been getting better since he came in the league. I'll take my chances with him over the Sanchize.

[SAUTO]

He came within overtime of the NFCC to getting to the SB, as close as you can get without actually getting there, so your point is 100% pure BS.

First off he said super bowl VICTORY. Getting there isn't winning one.

Second, how many yards did Alex have that game? How was he on third downs?

I have no doubt Smith could win a super bowl on a team like Dilfer had, but is that good enough?

I don't think it will be here
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[OnTheWarpath15]

Mark Sanchez is a game manager who might not even start this year.

Alex Smith has been getting better since he came in the league. I'll take my chances with him over the Sanchize.

Again, reading is fundamental.

I'm not advocating for Sanchez.

And better than bad after 8 years certainly does not equal good.

G'night, troll.

[Hammock Parties]

The people who are saying we have no chance to get to a SB with Alex Smith because he's a "game manager" are the same people who like Sanchez.

Sanchez had the exact same role in 2009 and 2010. He was a game manager who almost made the SB.

No one around here likes Sanchez.

Maybe 3 years ago.

Not today.

Of course the funny thing is even though he's a shitty QB...even HE has thrown 20+ TD once.

[SAUTO]

The people who are saying we have no chance to get to a SB with Alex Smith because he's a "game manager" are the same people who like Sanchez.

Sanchez had the exact same role in 2009 and 2010. He was a game manager who almost made the SB. we keep hearing how guys ALMOST got there.

Every time it was the fucking qb that held them back.

That doesn't help your arguments guys.
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[RunKC]

we keep hearing how guys ALMOST got there.

Every time it was the ****ing qb that held them back.

That doesn't help your arguments guys.
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It can be done. Flacco just did it a 3 months ago.

[Saccopoo]

Oh man if Geno Smith perseveres through all this bad shit in New York and winds up being a great QB...

Let's just say I'm going to be swinging my dick around this place even harder than I was during last season

I think he's going to be a pretty damn good QB when it's all said and done. They brought in Mornhinweg to revamp that offense, which he should do with a guy like Geno, who he spoke of recently:

And then with Geno, he's highly talented, an outstanding young man, very bright and he's picked things up very, very quickly. I'm highly impressed with him in the three-day rookie minicamp.

After coaching the likes of Donovan McNabb, I think he and Geno will be a very nice fit with the Jets. Will let Ryan focus a bit more on the defense and be a head coach versus worrying about a Sanchez/Tebow controversy all season long. (And I'm pretty sure that Geno smokes Sanchez in the preseason. Sanchez once again finished in the bottom three of all QB's in the NFL in terms of ratings. Putrid QB.)

[SAUTO]

It can be done. Flacco just did it a 3 months ago.

flacco can actually stretch the defense.
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[SAUTO]

And flacco almost got them there and came back the next year and won the motherfucker.

Who else you guys are using as examples has?

Flacco, Sanchez, Smith.


Who doesn't fit?
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Sanchez might not even start this year. So there's that.

Cassel is lucky to even have a job in this league. So there's that.
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[chiefzilla1501]

I think he's going to be a pretty damn good QB when it's all said and done. They brought in Mornhinweg to revamp that offense, which he should do with a guy like Geno, who he spoke of recently:



After coaching the likes of Donovan McNabb, I think he and Geno will be a very nice fit with the Jets. Will let Ryan focus a bit more on the defense and be a head coach versus worrying about a Sanchez/Tebow controversy all season long. (And I'm pretty sure that Geno smokes Sanchez in the preseason. Sanchez once again finished in the bottom three of all QB's in the NFL in terms of ratings. Putrid QB.)

I don't think Geno will do very well. His attitude needs some serious adjustment and while Mornhinweig can help that, it's ultimately up to Rex Ryan to do that. And Ryan is maybe one of the worst at doing that. And it's not going to help that ESPN and company are going to do nothing but just add fuel to the Geno fire.

I get that talent evaluators are often wrong. Aaron Rodgers being a classic example. But the reasons Geno fell are a lot more alarming than other players, in my opinion. I get that people wanted him. But I don't get anyone who believe it was absolutely stupid to pass on him.

[DaFace]

Haven't clicked on this thread in 1000 posts or so. Is there anything of substance in here these days, or is this just the latest "Alex sucks" mega thread?

[chiefzilla1501]

Looking for his replacement while giving up a third, at least for the guy in the same year?

Good trade
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Let me ask you this. If Andy Reid is right about the future of the spread option / pistol offense and we end up being on the cutting edge, would it be worth the trade to have spent the first year tinkering with this offense with a QB who's well suited for this?

Even if Alex Smith isn't the answer, it's possible that he's the perfect stopgap for Andy Reid and company to develop a very progressive offense.

Let me be clear that I'm not a fan of Alex Smith, but really don't care about the trade as long as we end up with a legit franchise QB in 2-3 years.

[SAUTO]

Let me ask you this. If Andy Reid is right about the future of the spread option / pistol offense and we end up being on the cutting edge, would it be worth the trade to have spent the first year tinkering with this offense with a QB who's well suited for this?

Even if Alex Smith isn't the answer, it's possible that he's the perfect stopgap for Andy Reid and company to develop a very progressive offense.

Let me be clear that I'm not a fan of Alex Smith, but really don't care about the trade as long as we end up with a legit franchise QB in 2-3 years. I just think we gave up too much. Period
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[BigCatDaddy]

Haven't clicked on this thread in 1000 posts or so. Is there anything of substance in here these days, or is this just the latest "Alex sucks" mega thread?

A little bit. Apparently people are propping up Alex by saying he's better than Sanchez.

[Rasputin]

Let me ask you this. If Andy Reid is right about the future of the spread option / pistol offense and we end up being on the cutting edge, would it be worth the trade to have spent the first year tinkering with this offense with a QB who's well suited for this?

Even if Alex Smith isn't the answer, it's possible that he's the perfect stopgap for Andy Reid and company to develop a very progressive offense.

Let me be clear that I'm not a fan of Alex Smith, but really don't care about the trade as long as we end up with a legit franchise QB in 2-3 years.


We could have cut to the chase and drafted our guy 1.1 and not waist 2-3 years on a stop gap quarterback. We would have a guy (hopefully) developed in that 2-3 year span and be on our way building a championship team.

But Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo why take a chance on a young quarterback when you can throw away draft picks on an Alex Smith who won't even last 3 years from being injured?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

A little bit. Apparently people are propping up Alex by saying he's better than Sanchez.

And yet, the Snatchz managed to match Axl's output in his first two years in the pros...so there's that. Too...
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[chiefzilla1501]

We could have cut to the chase and drafted our guy 1.1 and not waist 2-3 years on a stop gap quarterback. We would have a guy (hopefully) developed in that 2-3 year span and be on our way building a championship team.

But Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo why take a chance on a young quarterback when you can throw away draft picks on an Alex Smith who won't even last 3 years from being injured?

I want a young QB as much as anybody. I wanted Geno Smith. I'm not a big fan of the Alex Smith trade.

But I can see how Alex Smith fits exactly the kind of offense Reid wants to try out (that's evidenced by also adding Daniel and adding two spread consultants). I can understand if they think Geno had too many red flags, as many QB-happy coaches saw flags too. I can understand if maybe they don't think any QBs they were looking into were ideal for the type of offense he wants to run.

If Alex Smith fits exactly what Reid wants to run, then I really don't care if he's a stopgap, especially if the other QBs available don't fit that. I don't get the idea of forcing a team to draft a QB they don't want just for the sake of drafting a QB. I don't think Smith is the answer. But I'm not ruling out that they'll find an answer, maybe surprisingly with Daniel or in future drafts. I'm not going to get upset if a team felt like they just didn't have any options in what is widely acknowledged as a poor QB class.

[Coogs]

I just think we gave up too much. Period
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If he has us a 8-8 or better, it is a mid to late 2nd round pick, and he was probably worth getting this team in the playoff hunt. If he has us less than 8-8 we will still have our top fifteen 2nd round pick to work with, and would be out an early 3rd. :shrug:

[RunKC]

And flacco almost got them there and came back the next year and won the mother****er.

Who else you guys are using as examples has?

Flacco, Sanchez, Smith.


Who doesn't fit?
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Eli Manning. Lost his first 2 playoff games and has looked like a bottom 5 QB some games just like Flacco.

I think confidence, coaching and luck is what makes these QB's have nice playoff runs.

[splatbass]

You shut your whore mouth. San Fransisco quarterbacks always bring success here in KC. ALWAYS

What happened on the past with different QBs, different coaches and different players has absolutely NO BEARING on what will happen this year with Alex Smith. It is a ridiculous and illogical argument.

[splatbass]

Oh man if Geno Smith perseveres through all this bad shit in New York and winds up being a great QB...

Let's just say I'm going to be swinging my dick around this place even harder than I was during last season

And what will you do if he turns out to be a bust? Admit you were wrong? Somehow I doubt it.

[splatbass]

We could have cut to the chase and drafted our guy 1.1 and not waist 2-3 years on a stop gap quarterback.

Really? You STILL think we should have used 1.1 on a second round QB? WTF are you smoking?

[chiefzilla1501]

Eli Manning. Lost his first 2 playoff games and has looked like a bottom 5 QB some games just like Flacco.

I think confidence, coaching and luck is what makes these QB's have nice playoff runs.

Alex Smith had top-notch coaching the last 2 years, a phenomenal supporting cast, and it was a hell of a lot easier for him to adjust to Harbaugh than Kaepernick (a guy with no NFL experience).

Please, just stop. I get that Alex Smith gets too much criticism around these parts. But please stop making yourself silly by even putting guys like Flacco and Eli in the conversation.

[Sorter]

Really? You STILL think we should have used 1.1 on a second round QB? WTF are you smoking?

That's a silly argument.

Would you have used 1.1 on a second round QB in Kaepernick with the benefit of hindsight?

[Bowser]

That's a silly argument.

Would you have used 1.1 on a second round QB in Kaepernick with the benefit of hindsight?

WELL FUCK YEAH BECAUSE OFFENSIVE LINE AND SHIT

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[splatbass]

That's a silly argument.

Would you have used 1.1 on a second round QB in Kaepernick with the benefit of hindsight?

There is no hindsight at this point, except that no team except the Bills thought there was a QB worth a first round pick. We have no idea if any of this class are going to succeed or bust.

Your argument is silly. Mine is logical.

There isn't a coach in the NFL that thought any of the QBs in this draft were worth anything close to 1.1.

[chiefzilla1501]

That's a silly argument.

Would you have used 1.1 on a second round QB in Kaepernick with the benefit of hindsight?

It's not a silly argument, only because you can only rely on foresight. We have clear evidence that if the Chiefs picked Geno, it would have been a reach of more than one round.

Your point would be fine, except that people are bitching about a no-brainer pick for Geno Smith when it clearly wasn't that at all.

[Hootie]

Oh man if Geno Smith perseveres through all this bad shit in New York and winds up being a great QB...

Let's just say I'm going to be swinging my dick around this place even harder than I was during last season

what if he starts three games, gets benched, and is out of the league in 3 years

will you even have a dick then?

[RunKC]

That's a silly argument.

Would you have used 1.1 on a second round QB in Kaepernick with the benefit of hindsight?

I'll let you know in January after I see him play a full season and teams have his tape.

[Sorter]

I'll let you know in January after I see him play a full season and teams have his tape.

Fair enough.

[RunKC]

Oh man if Geno Smith perseveres through all this bad shit in New York and winds up being a great QB...

Let's just say I'm going to be swinging my dick around this place even harder than I was during last season

If this happens, I'll give you 50 days of rep. Every. Single. Day.

[RealSNR]

If this happens, I'll give you 50 days of rep. Every. Single. Day.

Just curious. If you were to put a percentage on the likelihood that Geno Smith becomes a top 10 QB in the NFL, would would that number be?

Even his biggest haters probably wouldn't put that figure any lower than 30%.

[splatbass]

Just curious. If you were to put a percentage on the likelihood that Geno Smith becomes a top 10 QB in the NFL, would would that number be?

Even his biggest haters probably wouldn't put that figure any lower than 30%.

I'm not a hater, but a QB that no GM or Coach thought was worth a 1st round pick? I'd say 30% is a little high. How often does a second round pick become a top ten QB? Is it 30% of the time?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Eli Manning. Lost his first 2 playoff games and has looked like a bottom 5 QB some games just like Flacco.

I think confidence, coaching and luck is what makes these QB's have nice playoff runs.

LMAO wow
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Really? You STILL think we should have used 1.1 on a second round QB? WTF are you smoking?

LMAO as opposed to using 1.1 on a second round Tackle? Wow. The dumbassery is truly flowing this morning.
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[BigCatDaddy]

LMAO as opposed to using 1.1 on a second round Tackle? Wow. The dumbassery is truly flowing this morning.
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Too risky!

[BigBeauford]

Too risky!

No way! The Chiefs take plenty of risks! When is the last time a team drafted a RT number 1 overall?

[Lex Luthor]

Chocolate Penii will be a major name brand in New York soon.

Haven't clicked on this thread in 1000 posts or so. Is there anything of substance in here these days, or is this just the latest "Alex sucks" mega thread?

As you can see from post quoted above yours, the Geno ballwashers are still worshipping the Chocolate Penii. They apparently don't care how gay they sound.

Any chance of turning on a filter so that we don't have see the words "Chocolate Penii" ever again?

[BigCatDaddy]

As you can see from post quoted above yours, the Geno ballwashers are still worshipping the Chocolate Penii. They apparently don't care how gay they sound.

Any chance of turning on a filter so that we don't have see the words "Chocolate Penii" ever again?

If it bothers you THAT much may I suggest using the Ignore feature on the few posters that use that term?

[BigCatDaddy]

No way! The Chiefs take plenty of risks! When is the last time a team drafted a RT number 1 overall?

Ooh. Can you imagine the reaction if we were take a guard or center even??? Instant orgasms among the "Farmland Fury" faithful would be in abundance.

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[Rasputin]

I want a young QB as much as anybody. I wanted Geno Smith. I'm not a big fan of the Alex Smith trade.

But I can see how Alex Smith fits exactly the kind of offense Reid wants to try out (that's evidenced by also adding Daniel and adding two spread consultants). I can understand if they think Geno had too many red flags, as many QB-happy coaches saw flags too. I can understand if maybe they don't think any QBs they were looking into were ideal for the type of offense he wants to run.

If Alex Smith fits exactly what Reid wants to run, then I really don't care if he's a stopgap, especially if the other QBs available don't fit that. I don't get the idea of forcing a team to draft a QB they don't want just for the sake of drafting a QB. I don't think Smith is the answer. But I'm not ruling out that they'll find an answer, maybe surprisingly with Daniel or in future drafts. I'm not going to get upset if a team felt like they just didn't have any options in what is widely acknowledged as a poor QB class.


You get this from watching Alex Smith play football??

Serious question.

He hands the ball off to Frank Gore they pound the ball with Frank Gore they set up play action with Frank Gore Alex Smith relies on the run game with Frank Gore. Just how does Alex Smith fit an Andy Reid pass first pass often pass happy attack offense?


I don't get it? I don't see how Alex Smith arm is going hold up with extra amount of passing he is going be expected to do.

If they would rely on Jamaal Charles like they do Frank Gore then I could see it work but only to get us a WC birth and a first round beat down like we got from the Ravens 2010 quote the Raven never more.

I want to win in the playoffs. Alex Smith is meh to watch he is not exciting he doesn't make big plays. He holds the ball to long and takes sacks. I don't get how Alex Smith fits into an Andy Reid scheme? We will see if I'm wrong.

[splatbass]

LMAO as opposed to using 1.1 on a second round Tackle? Wow. The dumbassery is truly flowing this morning.
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No one thought Fisher was a second round tackle. He would have gone #2 or #3 if we had picked someone else at #1.

8 of the top 10 picks were linemen.

[patteeu]

You get this from watching Alex Smith play football??

Serious question.

He hands the ball off to Frank Gore they pound the ball with Frank Gore they set up play action with Frank Gore Alex Smith relies on the run game with Frank Gore. Just how does Alex Smith fit an Andy Reid pass first pass often pass happy attack offense?


I don't get it? I don't see how Alex Smith arm is going hold up with extra amount of passing he is going be expected to do.

If they would rely on Jamaal Charles like they do Frank Gore then I could see it work but only to get us a WC birth and a first round beat down like we got from the Ravens 2010 quote the Raven never more.

I want to win in the playoffs. Alex Smith is meh to watch he is not exciting he doesn't make big plays. He holds the ball to long and takes sacks. I don't get how Alex Smith fits into an Andy Reid scheme? We will see if I'm wrong.

Are you serious? You really think throwing the ball 7 or 8 more times a game, if it really comes to that, would damage his arm? He's not a china doll.

[Rasputin]

Are you serious? You really think throwing the ball 7 or 8 more times a game, if it really comes to that, would damage his arm? He's not a china doll.



Maybe not so much just his arm but he is going put himself more at risk take sacks and he already takes enough sacks. So yeah he could be a china doll.

[J Diddy]

Ooh. Can you imagine the reaction if we were take a guard or center even??? Instant orgasms among the "Farmland Fury" faithful would be in abundance.

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The funniest thing about that pic is the hundreds of people applauding around the one guy who looks pissed with his arms folded in the middle.

[J Diddy]

Maybe not so much just his arm but he is going put himself more at risk take sacks and he already takes enough sacks. So yeah he could be a china doll.

I guess it's a good thing we got a bad ass tackle then huh?

[jd1020]

The funniest thing about that pic is the hundreds of people applauding around the one guy who looks pissed with his arms folded in the middle.

Sums up why the Chiefs can continue to get away with the bullshit they pull. Only a very small minority of fans give a fuck.

[J Diddy]

Sums up why the Chiefs can continue to get away with the bullshit they pull. Only a very small minority of fans give a ****.

Yeah. I'm not buying that.

[splatbass]

Sums up why the Chiefs can continue to get away with the bullshit they pull. Only a very small minority of fans give a ****.

Go ahead and convince yourself that only you and a small percentage of people understand football, and all the other fans, GMs and Head Coaches in the NFL are stupid if that is what it takes to make you feel good about yourself.

[Rasputin]

I guess it's a good thing we got a bad ass tackle then huh?


He needs to get rid of the ball in a timely and precise manner and then we can see if this works. I don't want him to hold onto the ball too long and make our glorified "bad ass tackle" look bad.

[jd1020]

Go ahead and convince yourself that only you and a small percentage of people understand football, and all the other fans, GMs and Head Coaches in the NFL are stupid if that is what it takes to make you feel good about yourself.

Convince myself? Its right there in that gif you moron.

The Chiefs just traded the #34 pick and a 2014 3rd/2nd for another QB that wouldnt be starting on any contender!!!!!! YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

The Chiefs just drafted a RT 1.1!!!!! YYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE'S THE RIBS??!?!?!?

Go ahead and convince yourself that this board speaks for the majority of Chiefs fans.

[patteeu]

Maybe not so much just his arm but he is going put himself more at risk take sacks and he already takes enough sacks. So yeah he could be a china doll.

It may take a while for the line to come together, but ultimately, I think the Chiefs will have better pass protection than the 49ers had. But I agree that Smith needs to find a way to take fewer sacks.

[BigCatDaddy]

Sums up why the Chiefs can continue to get away with the bullshit they pull. Only a very small minority of fans give a ****.

I wouldn't say give a fuck. I would say are intelligent enough to understand what actually just happened.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

No one thought Fisher was a second round tackle. He would have gone #2 or #3 if we had picked someone else at #1.

8 of the top 10 picks were linemen.

In a draft class that by your own true fan "logic" was "weak", where does Mr. Fisher and his good buddy Jokel land in a strong draft class? That's right!
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[chiefzilla1501]

You get this from watching Alex Smith play football??

Serious question.

He hands the ball off to Frank Gore they pound the ball with Frank Gore they set up play action with Frank Gore Alex Smith relies on the run game with Frank Gore. Just how does Alex Smith fit an Andy Reid pass first pass often pass happy attack offense?


I don't get it? I don't see how Alex Smith arm is going hold up with extra amount of passing he is going be expected to do.

If they would rely on Jamaal Charles like they do Frank Gore then I could see it work but only to get us a WC birth and a first round beat down like we got from the Ravens 2010 quote the Raven never more.

I want to win in the playoffs. Alex Smith is meh to watch he is not exciting he doesn't make big plays. He holds the ball to long and takes sacks. I don't get how Alex Smith fits into an Andy Reid scheme? We will see if I'm wrong.

Andy Reid is moving to a spread option. It looks like he is finding a QB to fit his scheme vs. finding a scheme to fit his QB. It was in the tea leaves all along and is proven by his hiring of two spread consultants and signing Chase Daniel, a guy who can also run it well.

Alex Smith ran a very similar offense under Urban Meyer in Utah. He does hold the ball too long, but this wasn't a problem in Utah. Because in the spread option, the QB can get a better read at the line of scrimmage and doesn't have to go through as complicated progressions.

And the idea that his arm will wear out is unfounded. I doubt this will be a problem. And while Reid's scheme is pass happy, he runs a lot of screens that are basically run plays. Nobody's going to throw their arm out dumping off a screen.

I agree that we will see. Again, I think Smith is a stopgap. But if it's a stopgap toward Reid becoming cutting edge at the spread, then it's not as bad as people make it to be.

[Rasputin]

Andy Reid is moving to a spread option. It looks like he is finding a QB to fit his scheme vs. finding a scheme to fit his QB. It was in the tea leaves all along and is proven by his hiring of two spread consultants and signing Chase Daniel, a guy who can also run it well.

Alex Smith ran a very similar offense under Urban Meyer in Utah. He does hold the ball too long, but this wasn't a problem in Utah. Because in the spread option, the QB can get a better read at the line of scrimmage and doesn't have to go through as complicated progressions.

And the idea that his arm will wear out is unfounded. I doubt this will be a problem. And while Reid's scheme is pass happy, he runs a lot of screens that are basically run plays. Nobody's going to throw their arm out dumping off a screen.

I agree that we will see. Again, I think Smith is a stopgap. But if it's a stopgap toward Reid becoming cutting edge at the spread, then it's not as bad as people make it to be.


If I could believe he is just a stop gap I could live with it a year or two. Them giving up this much compensation for a retread really pisses me off. I'm going hold a resentment until we draft a QBotf that has the upside we all would want out of a first round QB.

[Messier]

In a draft class that by your own true fan "logic" was "weak", where does Mr. Fisher and his good buddy Jokel land in a strong draft class? That's right!
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5th or 6th overall.

[BigCatDaddy]

5th or 6th overall.

I think it was Hamas or DJ had a nice post on this and you're way off.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

5th or 6th overall.

Trollolololololidiot.
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[Messier]

Trollolololololidiot.
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Really? You're a moron.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

LMAO the last time a Tackle was taken at one, it was like 1960-whatever. Suuuuuuuure, Splatbass and RunKC. Suuuuuuuure.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I really don't want Axl to have premium success. That means an extension, and that's not good for kC. Just get us our 7 wins and a wildcard asswhipping for a couple of years so we can move on with our lives please...
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[Messier]

I think it was Hamas or DJ had a nice post on this and you're way off.

How much better of a prospect is Kalil? Even if he's a lot better, what about Reiff? In a great draft year he went 23rd. Fisher and Joeckel are better prospects. In a good draft they'd be top ten picks, no later than 15.

[Carlota69]

I really don't want Axl to have premium success. That means an extension, and that's not good for kC. Just get us our 7 wins and a wildcard asswhipping for a couple of years so we can move on with our lives please...
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You dont want our QB to have premium success??? Wouldnt that mean playoff wins and a run at a SB? Maybe even get to the SB? maybe even win it all???? Why in the world would you be a fan of any team if you dont want them to not only succeed, but succeed at a premium level?????
Please go find another team to root for and stop teasing us with this 'Im done" shit. Be done already. Youre a ****ing troll, in all senses of the word.

[Sandy Vagina]

You dont want our QB to have premium success??? Wouldnt that mean playoff wins and a run at a SB? Maybe even get to the SB? maybe even win it all???? Why in the world would you be a fan of any team if you dont want them to not only succeed, but succeed at a premium level?????
Please go find another team to root for and stop teasing us with this 'Im done" shit. Be done already. Youre a ****ing troll, in all senses of the word.

Tried to tell the same to him and his doomsayer ilk... don't bother... the hate and quitter mentality is strong with them.

Anyway, there's a cool article on Arrowheadpride about the pistol formations being implemented.. lots of excited KC fans there. GO CHIEFS !!!

[Mav]

This "best fit scenario for Smith" is going be dependent just on how well he plays for KC and win over some of these fans. If he struggles early and we don't get some wins it could get ugly for him. Depends on how the crowd is going handle if we don't get some wins.

The expectations are going be high and more demanding than in San Fran. Coach Reid says he wants a passing attack and pass often offense so the pressure is really on Alex Smith to perform. It's going depend on Andy Reid recognizing Alex Smith faults also and see if he allows the running game to help him out.

They have to go out and prove that this trade was worth it and I think they don't have much window of opportunity to do it.


Chiefs fans are wanting results we are expecting results in wins.


So this could be a good fit for Alex Smith to get an uncontested starting job but the pressure to win is on him.
I say good fit because of the skill position players you had already, and this was before drafting Kelce, getting avery, fasano, and Eric Fisher and having Brendan Albert here to play. The fit, out of Buffalo, no oline, like at all, the jets, laughable, cards, seriously? KC was easily the fit that would give alex smith the best position to succeed. Being With andy reid, if he allows alex smith to check it down to a run play, because he is very good at pre snap reads, and very good at knowing when handing off the ball is a great thing to do.
There is not going to be any pressure on Alex Smith from this fanbase next season.

They will, as they have in the past, find excuses and blame other areas of the team.

It took 4 years for Matt Cassel to be the focus of fan reaction.
Can the pressure here honestly ever be any worse than on national tv having a fan base chant we want carr? There is nothing the crowd will ever be able to say that will offend alex smith. If that were the case, after 2010 there is no way he would of went back. Hes got thick skin, hes a true professional, he understands the business.
When Mark Sanchez has a 4-2 playoff record, two AFCCG'S, and a 9:1 TD:INT ratio, it was the defense and running game that got them there.

When the Niners fall short, with a superior roster, and inferior numbers for Smith compared to Sanchez - people imply that Smith was the reason the Niners even came close.

This place is always good for a laugh.
Well, he was the reason they beat the saints. Can you even argue that?
My favorite Alex Smith stat I've heard so far - He has thrown for over 300 yards in his career THREE times. Is that right? I mean, is that even possible for a guy that's been in the league eight years?
Head coach Mike Nolan, head coach mike singletary, head coach Jim harbaugh. All three believe in the run game and defense. Combined, alex smith and Colin kaepernick last year, ranked about 20th in passes attempted. They are a running team. They run the ball. They will continue to run the ball. They rarely trail, and thus in the second half, run the ball......For a guy with a running back, in his avatar, you seem to neglect the obvious.
First off he said super bowl VICTORY. Getting there isn't winning one.

Second, how many yards did Alex have that game? How was he on third downs?

I have no doubt Smith could win a super bowl on a team like Dilfer had, but is that good enough?

I don't think it will be here
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Ill state this until im blue in the face. Alex Smith, had zero turnovers, he had a better rating than any other qb against the giants in that playoffs, and played in by far the worst weather of any other team that faced the giants. Alex Smith despite his 1/13 on third downs, was not the reason the 49ers lost that game. 2 dropped ints by our defense, and two fumbles on special teams were the critical plays that cost the 49ers........Also, Carlos Rogers being Victor Cruz's personal bitch in the first half was the other reason.
we keep hearing how guys ALMOST got there.

Every time it was the ****ing qb that held them back.

That doesn't help your arguments guys.
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So Colin Kaepernick was the reason the 49ers didn't win the super bowl last year? I think that's absurd.....
Haven't clicked on this thread in 1000 posts or so. Is there anything of substance in here these days, or is this just the latest "Alex sucks" mega thread?
Pretty much.
You dont want our QB to have premium success??? Wouldnt that mean playoff wins and a run at a SB? Maybe even get to the SB? maybe even win it all???? Why in the world would you be a fan of any team if you dont want them to not only succeed, but succeed at a premium level?????
Please go find another team to root for and stop teasing us with this 'Im done" shit. Be done already. Youre a ****ing troll, in all senses of the word.

Every time I hear that im an alex nut hugger, and that how could I follow a mediocre qb, then I hear someone say this, I laugh my ass off. Really, what could be more absurd than this?

[chiefzilla1501]

LMAO the last time a Tackle was taken at one, it was like 1960-whatever. Suuuuuuuure, Splatbass and RunKC. Suuuuuuuure.
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And in how many drafts was the top QB taken outside of the top 15?

[Carlota69]

Tried to tell the same to him and his doomsayer ilk... don't bother... the hate and quitter mentality is strong with them.

Anyway, there's a cool article on Arrowheadpride about the pistol formations being implemented.. lots of excited KC fans there. GO CHIEFS !!!
To some degree, I understand the anger, cuz the burn of the past is still stinging. What I don't understand is rooting for us to fail miserably, and not having "premium" success just because you don't like Alex Smith. If his QB play gets the team "premium" success, then whats the fucking problem??? Isnt that what we are all rooting for?? "Premium" success??? His "fandom" blows my mind. He keeps threatening to jump ship. Jump already FFS!

[Mav]

To some degree, I understand the anger, cuz the burn of the past is still stinging. What I don't understand is rooting for us to fail miserably, and not having "premium" success just because you don't like Alex Smith. If his QB play gets the team "premium" success, then whats the ****ing problem??? Isnt that what we are all rooting for?? "Premium" success??? His "fandom" blows my mind. He keeps threatening to jump ship. Jump already FFS!

The irony of it all is this. If you just limited the turnovers last year, and had more of an aggressive defense, the story is completely different.

both of those things along with the coaching upgrade, and the personnel, should set the Chiefs up nicely to do considerably better this year. I don't understand that Doom and gloom over one player. I really don't.....

[Carlota69]

The irony of it all is this. If you just limited the turnovers last year, and had more of an aggressive defense, the story is completely different.

both of those things along with the coaching upgrade, and the personnel, should set the Chiefs up nicely to do considerably better this year. I don't understand that Doom and gloom over one player. I really don't.....

Im certainly not in the doom and gloom crowd. Im a wait and see what the new regime, players and thought processes bring. I dont understand not wanting your team to win big..I really dont.

[The Bad Guy]

You dont want our QB to have premium success??? Wouldnt that mean playoff wins and a run at a SB? Maybe even get to the SB? maybe even win it all???? Why in the world would you be a fan of any team if you dont want them to not only succeed, but succeed at a premium level?????
Please go find another team to root for and stop teasing us with this 'Im done" shit. Be done already. Youre a ****ing troll, in all senses of the word.

What a complete and utter joke.

Translation: if the Chiefs aren't going to build the team with the players I want, I want them to fail.

If Alex Smith does do well here, SDW doesn't deserve to enjoy one second of it.

[Rasputin]

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[duncan_idaho]

How much better of a prospect is Kalil? Even if he's a lot better, what about Reiff? In a great draft year he went 23rd. Fisher and Joeckel are better prospects. In a good draft they'd be top ten picks, no later than 15.

Both Lewan and Matthews have been favorably compared to Joeckel and Fisher, with both being mentioned as potential "top tackles" had they stayed in this draft class.

They are mocking anywhere from 6-15 in the few 2014 mocks I have seen.

It will be interesting to see that work out as the 2013 football season goes along, but it wouldn't shock me at all to see Matthews be a better player than either Fisher or Joeckel. In fact, I'd predict that.

[BigCatDaddy]

You dont want our QB to have premium success??? Wouldnt that mean playoff wins and a run at a SB? Maybe even get to the SB? maybe even win it all???? Why in the world would you be a fan of any team if you dont want them to not only succeed, but succeed at a premium level?????
Please go find another team to root for and stop teasing us with this 'Im done" shit. Be done already. Youre a ****ing troll, in all senses of the word.

We would all love Alex Smith to turn into Drew Brees. He's just being realistic.

If Alice is going to play like a top 10 QB than I would hope he falls flat on his ass Cassell style and fast so we can get started on finding the guy that can be a top 10 QB.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You dont want our QB to have premium success??? Wouldnt that mean playoff wins and a run at a SB? Maybe even get to the SB? maybe even win it all???? Why in the world would you be a fan of any team if you dont want them to not only succeed, but succeed at a premium level?????
Please go find another team to root for and stop teasing us with this 'Im done" shit. Be done already. Youre a ****ing troll, in all senses of the word.

Are you dense? I'm not making the case for Axl as a stop-gap anymore. It's been laid out eleventy billion times already. Oh, and fuck off. Thx!
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What a complete and utter joke.

Translation: if the Chiefs aren't going to build the team with the players I want, I want them to fail.

If Alex Smith does do well here, SDW doesn't deserve to enjoy one second of it.

Translation: I want a legitimate QB prospect so we can actually have a chance at winning something other than a "good boy" award, but if we don't, I'll just wear my red on Sunday and Herp-Derp-Derp along with the mediocrity anyway! Herp-Derp!
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[Carlota69]

Are you dense? I'm not making the case for Axl as a stop-gap anymore. It's been laid out eleventy billion times already. Oh, and **** off. Thx!
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"Premium" wins, games, play etc..is more than just a stop gap. Thats winning for real, and thats what you are advocating against with you stupid fucked up statement.
Oh, and dont worry, I fuck off for a living...but with all your pent up anger, sounds like maybe its you that needs to fuck off, or at least go fuck yourself, since no one else is.:)

[Carlota69]

We would all love Alex Smith to turn into Drew Brees. He's just being realistic.

If Alice is going to play like a top 10 QB than I would hope he falls flat on his ass Cassell style and fast so we can get started on finding the guy that can be a top 10 QB.
He isnt being realistic by saying he "doesnt want Axl Smith to have premium success". If he said, he doesnt think he will, then that would be him being realistic...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We would all love Alex Smith to turn into Drew Brees. He's just being realistic.

If Alice is going to play like a top 10 QB than I would hope he falls flat on his ass Cassell style and fast so we can get started on finding the guy that can be a top 10 QB.

And since we can, with reasonable accuracy, project this exact turn of events, better to get Clarky-poo his desired short-term wins and then get on with Bray or whomever we might draft. Yes, not being a complete laughingstock is a good start. But hovering at "acceptable" with Axl Reid for four or more years is NOT. QBOTF please...
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[BigCatDaddy]

He isnt being realistic by saying he "doesnt want Axl Smith to have premium success". If he said, he doesnt think he will, then that would be him being realistic...


He'll have to define premium success, but the worst thing that could happen would for him to pull a 2010 Cassell and get an extension. I agree with him on that much.

He's also never played as good as a 2010 Cassell so I think that's highly unlikely.

[Carlota69]

He'll have to define premium success, but the worst thing that could happen would for him to pull a 2010 Cassell and get an extension. I agree with him on that much.

Well, premium implies better than just success. Success of course, would be a winning record and maybe Playoff, but one and done. Premium would imply better than that...and better than that is something this team hasnt had in decades...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He isnt being realistic by saying he "doesnt want Axl Smith to have premium success". If he said, he doesnt think he will, then that would be him being realistic...

I have said a hundred fucking times already that I don't think he will. And now, I'm saying that I HOPE he doesn't as well. There is NO diffrence. JFC, if you want to have little fantasies about Smith and Reid conquering the world, be my fucking guest. I however, will choose to NOT ignore facts and history to make myself feel better about this shitty fucking trade.
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[Carlota69]

I have said a hundred ****ing times already that I don't think he will. And now, I'm saying that I HOPE he doesn't as well. There is NO diffrence. JFC, if you want to have little fantasies about Smith and Reid conquering the world, be my ****ing guest. I however, will choose to NOT ignore facts and history to make myself feel better about this shitty ****ing trade.
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Theres a HUGE difference. If you dont think he will, then fine and dandy. but hoping he doesnt give us "premium" success??? Dude, go find another team then...Like you keep threatening to do

[RunKC]

He'll have to define premium success, but the worst thing that could happen would for him to pull a 2010 Cassell and get an extension. I agree with him on that much.

He's also never played as good as a 2010 Cassell so I think that's highly unlikely.

No. The worst thing that could happen is he starts winning playoff games and you guys have to admit that trading for him was a good move at the time.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He'll have to define premium success, but the worst thing that could happen would for him to pull a 2010 Cassell and get an extension. I agree with him on that much.

He's also never played as good as a 2010 Cassell so I think that's highly unlikely.

"Premium Success" for Axl as a Chief is defined as winning a wild card playoff game only to be promptly curb-stomped the following week. That will be enough, in Lil Chiefyville, to get him handed the keys to the kingdom. And that is un-fucking acceptable.
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[RunKC]

Just curious. If you were to put a percentage on the likelihood that Geno Smith becomes a top 10 QB in the NFL, would would that number be?

Even his biggest haters probably wouldn't put that figure any lower than 30%.

Honestly? 15%

[Carlota69]

"Premium Success" for Axl as a Chief is defined as winning a wild card playoff game only to be promptly curb-stomped the following week. That will be enough, in Lil Chiefyville, to get him handed the keys to the kingdom. And that is un-****ing acceptable.
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Thats what you call Premium success?? I would call that moderate success...or just plain ol success. Premium, to me, would be a shot at the SB.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Theres a HUGE difference. If you dont think he will, then fine and dandy. but hoping he doesnt give us "premium" success??? Dude, go find another team then...Like you keep threatening to do

Okay then, let me rephrase the point; I hope to all holy hell that the TEAM doesn't "Dilfer-drag" his ass to what the usual collection of goddamned idiots on this board can point to as "premium success". Better?
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Thats what you call Premium success?? I would call that moderate success...or just plain ol success. Premium, to me, would be a shot at the SB.

It's what Lil Chiefy calls "premium success" because Lil Chiefy is an easy little tramp.
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[BigCatDaddy]

No. The worst thing that could happen is he starts winning playoff games and you guys have to admit that trading for him was a good move at the time.

The worst thing that would happen would be him dinking and dunking to some playoff win where the opposing team turns the ball over 5 times. Truefans rejoice and and a 5 year extension if offered.

The best thing that could happen is he shows he can actually throw the ball down the field on a consistant basis, lights up the scoreboard and puts up 6-8 300 yard passing games this year while LEADING the team to the playoffs, not being piggy backed. Then I would be happy to admit I was wrong.

[RealSNR]

Honestly? 15%

And I think that's disingenuous and full of shit. You can be sour on Geno Smith without thinking it's an automatic he'll be a huge failure.

I have no fucking clue how somebody can watch ANY of his college games (including the bad ones) and conclude that the guy has only a 15% chance of being a franchise QB in the NFL.

[Carlota69]

It's what Lil Chiefy calls "premium success" because Lil Chiefy is an easy little tramp.
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Who the fuck is Lil Chiefy? Do you speak English at all?
Also, I agree, I dont want to 'Dilfer-drag" around either...(I guess you speak some English, cuz I understood that rant-lol)

[Pasta Little Brioni]

HA Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[Mav]

And I think that's disingenuous and full of shit. You can be sour on Geno Smith without thinking it's an automatic he'll be a huge failure.

I have no ****ing clue how somebody can watch ANY of his college games (including the bad ones) and conclude that the guy has only a 15% chance of being a franchise QB in the NFL.

Honestly, he has about a 0% chance of success, the longer he plays for the Jets. The media, the team is awful around him right now on offense, their coach is a loony toon. I know you like the guy, and I am not knocking it. But there is situations that just cant be overcome. There are Guys like Eli Manning, who can go in, take the criticisms and survive. If the guy was getting snarky on twitter with just a few "experts" tugging on his cape pre draft, what is he going to do in that Environment? I don't like his odds. I really don't.

[RunKC]

And I think that's disingenuous and full of shit. You can be sour on Geno Smith without thinking it's an automatic he'll be a huge failure.

I have no ****ing clue how somebody can watch ANY of his college games (including the bad ones) and conclude that the guy has only a 15% chance of being a franchise QB in the NFL.

It all depends. I think circumstance comes into play.

Look at their roster. They might have the weakest surrounding weapons in the AFC.

They lost Shonn Greene. They lost Dustin Keller. Santonio Holmes is coming off an injury and they aren't sure whether he'll be ready week 1.

Who the fuck is there to throw to? Stephen Hill?

[Kaepernick]

The funniest thing about that pic is the hundreds of people applauding around the one guy who looks pissed with his arms folded in the middle.

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Every mental institution has one sane guy wondering what he is doing in there. I'm naming this guy McMurphy after Jack Nicholas's character in "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest".

[SAUTO]

To some degree, I understand the anger, cuz the burn of the past is still stinging. What I don't understand is rooting for us to fail miserably, and not having "premium" success just because you don't like Alex Smith. If his QB play gets the team "premium" success, then whats the fucking problem??? Isnt that what we are all rooting for?? "Premium" success??? His "fandom" blows my mind. He keeps threatening to jump ship. Jump already FFS!
I agree. Great post
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[SAUTO]

No. The worst thing that could happen is he starts winning playoff games and you guys have to admit that trading for him was a good move at the time.

That would be the absolute best thing that could happen in my opinion
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[Kaepernick]

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I've posted the Greg Cosell article here now about 4 times, and posted the key excerpts giving crystal clear examples of at least 3 plays where Alex missed or more likely, refused to throw to a wind open receiver from a clean pocket.

The people who refuse to believe Alex had any role in the loss refuse to even acknowledge these facts revealed by Greg Cosell's tape study of the game. the Alexsexuals just reply "every QB has a few mistakes a game". Refusing to throw the ball to a wide open receiver in crunch time from a clean pocket with no pressure is not a "mistake". It is a fundamental weakness in a QB. The type of fundamental flaw that prevents such QB from ever rising to greater heights of performance.

[Mav]

I've posted the Greg Cosell article here now about 4 times, and posted the key excerpts giving crystal clear examples of at least 3 plays where Alex missed or more likely, refused to throw to a wind open receiver from a clean pocket.

The people who refuse to believe Alex had any role in the loss refuse to even acknowledge these facts revealed by Greg Cosell's tape study of the game. the Alexsexuals just reply "every QB has a few mistakes a game". Refusing to throw the ball to a wide open receiver in crunch time from a clean pocket with no pressure is not a "mistake". It is a fundamental weakness in a QB. The type of fundamental flaw that prevents such QB from ever rising to greater heights of performance.

I have never absolved Alex Smith from any of the blame in the NFCCG. Not one time. I know he made mistakes, I know he missed Kyle Williams by a mile, I know that he didn't see Delanie Walker wide open. I know that he didn't take any chances with Crabtree 1 one 1. That isn't the point. The point was that he did nothing to cause the 49ers to lose that game. And if you look at 5 of the most critical plays that weren't made by the 49ers in that game, plays that they usually made that season, then this discussion is irrelevant.

1. Goldson knocks out Brown causing dropped int.

2. Brown drops int-different play.

3. the lack of having Goldson, and Brown on the field, leaves Reggie Smith, and Tremaine Brock in coverage on Mario Manningham, both getting beat after Kyle Williams ball off the knee results in turnover deep in 49ers territory.

4. Kyle Williams fumble in over time sealing 49ers fate.

5. Refs quick whistling the play dead where we stripped Bradshaw.

Can you tell me that any of those plays are less important than any bad play that Alex made in that mess, against that defense.

Its like Patrick Willis said when defending Kyle Williams.

"We win, and we lose, as a team."

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Who the fuck is Lil Chiefy? Do you speak English at all?
Also, I agree, I dont want to 'Dilfer-drag" around either...(I guess you speak some English, cuz I understood that rant-lol)

You're agreeing with me and you don't even realize it. Lolz
If a Smith-led Chiefs win a Super Bowl, then it is what it is. Nothing to bitch about there. If Smith somehow manages by a miracle of Jesus to win an AFCCCG, then I might be forced to concede an apology to the man. Smith winning a playoff game? Better than expected. Smith winning a wildcard? Big fucking deal. Smith being above five hundred consistently and for more than two years? Next prospect please.
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[patteeu]

You're agreeing with me and you don't even realize it. Lolz
If a Smith-led Chiefs win a Super Bowl, then it is what it is. Nothing to bitch about there. If Smith somehow manages by a miracle of Jesus to win an AFCCCG, then I might be forced to concede an apology to the man. Smith winning a playoff game? Better than expected. Smith winning a wildcard? Big ****ing deal. Smith being above five hundred consistently and for more than two years? Next prospect please.
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If she doesn't realize it, it's because your posts are unintelligible.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It appears a Lil Chiefy Syndrome awareness week may be in order.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Being competitive with a rookie for two years while he learns the NFL curve? Acceptable. Being competitive with Alex Smith for two years and no championship appearance? Bullshit.
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[Carlota69]

You're agreeing with me and you don't even realize it. Lolz
If a Smith-led Chiefs win a Super Bowl, then it is what it is. Nothing to bitch about there. If Smith somehow manages by a miracle of Jesus to win an AFCCCG, then I might be forced to concede an apology to the man. Smith winning a playoff game? Better than expected. Smith winning a wildcard? Big ****ing deal. Smith being above five hundred consistently and for more than two years? Next prospect please.
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I agree with you to a point, and I think most people around here do. We want to win and have a shot at. SB Championship. And we'd like it to be more than just a one shot trick pony, barely make it by the hair of our china chin chin (Dilfer). But, where I don't see with you is wanting, praying for failure completely just to prove a point. Just to be right. Fuck that. I want Alex to prove everyone wrong and get us to the Dance. That's what I want. Will he? I don't know, and I'm certainly not expecting this coming season. But come season 2, I'll be expecting it. I'll be expecting a SB run. Absolutely. And I don't give a fuck what QB gets it done. However, AS is the QB, so I hope to god he gets it done with the rest of this team.

[Carlota69]

If she doesn't realize it, it's because your posts are unintelligible.

His English is terrible, but he was clear about not wanting Axl Smith to have "premium" success. I disagree with that line of thinking, whole heatedly!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It appears a Lil Chiefy Syndrome awareness week may be in order.

I agree. This debilitating disease needs a full expose'. Unlike TFS, LCS afflicts those that actually want the Chiefs to be consistent playoff victors, but refuse to acknowledge the modern NFL team-building process required to get there. It's a fine line between the two.
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[chiefzilla1501]

Being competitive with a rookie for two years while he learns the NFL curve? Acceptable. Being competitive with Alex Smith for two years and no championship appearance? Bullshit.
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If starting Alex Smith allows Andy Reid to learn an offense he believes is the wave of the future, then it's 2 years well spent. I don't want Alex Smith starting 3 years from now. But I don't buy that you have to jam a rookie into this rotation if the coaching staff doesn't believe in any of the talent in this draft. If they do that for 3 years, fine to bitch about it. If they did that this year and there was clear demand for the top QBs in the class, I can understand that too.

Reid is installing an offense that Chase Daniel can run and that is VERY college QB friendly. And Alex Smith is actually a guy that fits very nicely. Even if he doesn't win us games, I believe he lets Andy Reid learn a lot about how to run this offense.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

How does a coach "learn" his own offense?
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Frankly, letting Chase Daniel "run" anything at the NFL level seems a complete waste of time.
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[chiefzilla1501]

How does a coach "learn" his own offense?
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Andy Reid is a West Coast offense coach.

He hired Brad Childress to learn about the Spread. He hired Ault to learn about the Pistol and Spread Option. This is going to be new for Reid and I'm sure a lot of it will be learning on the fly.

Incidentally... if Gruden came back, he planned to do something similar. He's a WCO guy that was studying up heavily on the Spread. Tells you something there.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Jesus; will the Chiefs ever develop the personnel necessary to run a vertical passing game? Trickery and making up for lack of talent will only take you so far, and not for long. You would think our illustrious HC would know this by now. FML...
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[Mav]

Jesus; will the Chiefs ever develop the personnel necessary to run a vertical passing game? Trickery and making up for lack of talent will only take you so far, and not for long. You would think our illustrious HC would know this by now. FML...
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Reids biggest failures in philly came when he did adapt to the vertical passing game.

he had speedsters in Djax and Maclin, and what happened? He ran through qbs like xlax threw a fat lady. What he needs to do, more than anything is develop the personnel for balance..........

[chiefzilla1501]

Jesus; will the Chiefs ever develop the personnel necessary to run a vertical passing game? Trickery and making up for lack of talent will only take you so far, and not for long. You would think our illustrious HC would know this by now. FML...
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I don't think your post is grounded whatsoever in reality.

The best offenses today are running some version of the spread. And currently, the pistol offense has evolved into an offense that defenses haven't yet figured out how to stop.

And teams are focusing on how to spread the defense wide, not vertically. While you still want some vertical in your game, you're seeing a lot of empty backfield sets these days.

I think this criticism of Andy Reid is ridiculous. Personally, I think it speaks very positively about the head coach that he's willing to gut his old approach and adapt to the game.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I don't think your post is grounded whatsoever in reality.

The best offenses today are running some version of the spread. And currently, the pistol offense has evolved into an offense that defenses haven't yet figured out how to stop.

And teams are focusing on how to spread the defense wide, not vertically. While you still want some vertical in your game, you're seeing a lot of empty backfield sets these days.

I think this criticism of Andy Reid is ridiculous. Personally, I think it speaks very positively about the head coach that he's willing to gut his old approach and adapt to the game.

Yes and no. But, if anyone can put a pretty dress on Smith, it would be Reid.
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[Fat Elvis]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18lroax6o867tgif/ku-xlarge.gif


Every mental institution has one sane guy wondering what he is doing in there. I'm naming this guy McMurphy after Jack Nicholas's character in "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest".

They're all cheering that we didn't draft Joekel, well, except that one guy....

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Which CP Poster is that?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They're all cheering that we didn't draft Joekel, well, except that one guy....

"The Texas Twat" as I calls' im. Think he lived down the street from him or was possibly a kissing cousin...
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Which CP Poster is that?

Some no-name who showed up at the 11th hour. Got his happy ass handed to him until he disappeared.
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Some no-name who showed up at the 11th hour. Got his happy ass handed to him until he disappeared.
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Being in the middle of a Tru Fan Army would be scary.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Being in the middle of a Tru Fan Army would be scary.

Worse is being around a bunch of chicks in Cassel jerseys, MNF, 2010. The urge to pimp-slap was overpowering, but I managed to keep my hand cool...
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[BandwagonChiefsFan]

6-0

[MTG#10]

That was just a(nother) horrible QB performance. :shake:

[splatbass]

That was just a(nother) horrible QB performance. :shake:

The entire offense, except for Charles, looked like shit. Receivers weren't getting open, the OL was getting owned, and Alex Smith looked bad. You can't just blame it on Smith.

[MTG#10]

I didn't blame it all on Smith, but even when he had receivers open and time he still looked like shit...again

[Discuss Thrower]

Lose the draft pick, and now the "best" case scenario is get blown out in the wild card round.

Welp.. I guess I should eat crow. Goatse and Lil Chiefy were right all along. Hope they get a modicum of happiness out of this deal.

All I can do is be happy when they win and it's no longer the debacle of the Herm and Pioli years but beyond that hoping for a playoff win with Alex feels a lot like hoping Santa really exists at this point.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Lose the draft pick, and now the "best" case scenario is get blown out in the wild card round.

Welp.. I guess I should eat crow. Goatse and Lil Chiefy were right all along. Hope they get a modicum of happiness out of this deal.

All I can do is be happy when they win and it's no longer the debacle of the Herm and Pioli years but beyond that hoping for a playoff win with Alex feels a lot like hoping Santa really exists at this point.

:spock: cause teams we would face like the the bengals and ravens look sooooo scary.

[splatbass]

Lose the draft pick, and now the "best" case scenario is get blown out in the wild card round.



How is that the best case scenario?

[Mav]

:spock: cause teams we would face like the the bengals and ravens look sooooo scary.

yeah. I don't understand that. Still 10 games to go to hopefully get some people healthy, including Avery, and Fasano, and hopefully the oline gets better.

Alex Smith has to improve as well.

Lot of time left.

[the Talking Can]

we traded 2 second round picks for the 20th best QB in the league...a guy who won't even attempt normal NFL passes...

they should make him and fisher wear dresses during practice

[Mav]

we traded 2 second round picks for the 20th best QB in the league...a guy who won't even attempt normal NFL passes...

they should make him and fisher wear dresses during practice

I really wish that the Chiefs would get Bray ready to play. And on Fisher. No comment.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

yeah. I don't understand that. Still 10 games to go to hopefully get some people healthy, including Avery, and Fasano, and hopefully the oline gets better.

Alex Smith has to improve as well.

Lot of time left.


This place is batshit crazy.

[Sandy Vagina]

I'll enjoy the wins... but yeah... ugly games by a QB that's looking more and more like a stop-gap.

[the Talking Can]

you fucking 49er fans....

you follow this piece of shit over here to tell us how fortunate we are to have Mr. Really Nice Guy leading us, at the low cost of 2 seconds.

and now you shit heads think that garbage backup 'may' only be a stop gap?

there aren't enough aids in the universe

[Brock]

Shit, looks more like a gap.

[Sandy Vagina]

you ****ing 49er fans....

you follow this piece of shit over here to tell us how fortunate we are to have Mr. Really Nice Guy leading us, at the low cost of 2 seconds.

and now you shit heads think that garbage backup 'may' only be a stop gap?

there aren't enough aids in the universe

wipe those tears, princess... 6-0 is a nice start... and it should get even better... but hey, no guarantees and NO refunds! :thumb:

[Mav]

you ****ing 49er fans....

you follow this piece of shit over here to tell us how fortunate we are to have Mr. Really Nice Guy leading us, at the low cost of 2 seconds.

and now you shit heads think that garbage backup 'may' only be a stop gap?

there aren't enough aids in the universe

Hey stupid.

I have said from day ONE that he was a stop gap.

Now you are crying because I manned up, as I said I always would when it came to being honest about Alex Smith, and you want to bitch some more?

Change your tampon sally sensibitch.......

No one wants your bloody splooge all over the board. keep that shit to yourself.

[Brock]

Should be dominating these shit teams early and coasting. Alex is the wooden block under the accelerator pedal.

[Mav]

Shit, looks more like a gap.

Dunno. Hope this accelerates the process of Bray........

[Mav]

Should be dominating these shit teams early and coasting. Alex is the wooden block under the accelerator pedal.

More like a 2 ton anvil on the BRAKE.

[Nightfyre]

wipe those tears, princess... 6-0 is a nice start... and it should get even better... but hey, no guarantees and NO refunds! :thumb:

GFY. Anybody that has two teams isn't even a real fan as far as I am concerned.

[Mr. Laz]

missed several open passes today


terrible game

[Sandy Vagina]

GFY. Anybody that has two teams isn't even a real fan as far as I am concerned.

and why should I care about what concerns you? I am doubling my Sunday pleasure with both teams... don't like? okay... no1curr

[Tribal Warfare]

and why should I care about what concerns you? I am doubling my Sunday pleasure with both teams... don't like? okay... no1curr

Apparently, you do care

[Sandy Vagina]

Apparently, you do care

no... no I don't. I am happy. Was a good day. Offense needs a shit ton of work, but I like winning! :)

[Tribal Warfare]

no... no I don't. I am happy. Was a good day. Offense needs a shit ton of work, but I like winning! :)

Bandwagoner fairweather fan

[Sandy Vagina]

Bandwagoner fairweather fan

blah... suck a dick.. I was on board with KC when they were 0-0 and coming off a 2-14 season. You don't like me? so what? just leave me be... put me on ignore and go back to fisting your mother.

[Tribal Warfare]

blah... suck a dick.. I was on board with KC when they were 0-0 and coming off a 2-14 season. You don't like me? so what? just leave me be... put me on ignore and go back to fisting your mother.


I'm not into name calling, but I know when I hit a nerve. I'm getting to you

[Sandy Vagina]

I'm not into name calling, but I know when I hit a nerve. I'm getting to you

oh okay.. is that important for you? :ZZZ:

[Tribal Warfare]

oh okay.. is that important for you? :ZZZ:

Well, you are responding in an antagonistic manner, on a KC Chiefs BB? The answer is yes, I'm hitting a nerve

[Sandy Vagina]

Well, you are responding in an antagonistic manner, on a KC Chiefs BB? The answer is yes, I'm hitting a nerve

okay... well what's next what ya got for me? This is such a riveting exchange, and must be important. Where do we go next? We done with this yet?

[threebag]

GFY. Anybody that has two teams isn't even a real fan as far as I am concerned.

Just D U M B, Dumb.

[splatbass]

GFY. Anybody that has two teams isn't even a real fan as far as I am concerned.

Good thing nobody cares about your concerns. I've been a die hard Chiefs fan for over 40 years. I also follow the 49ers. Are you saying I'm not a Chiefs fan? Because you can kiss my fucking ass if you are, shithead.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The entire offense, except for Charles, looked like shit. Receivers weren't getting open, the OL was getting owned, and Alex Smith looked bad. You can't just blame it on Smith.

No.

[splatbass]

No.

Everything I said is true. The commentators on both TV and radio kept talking about how good Oakland's man coverage was.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Everything I said is true. The commentators on both TV and radio kept talking about how good Oakland's man coverage was.

And yet other perspectives from people who attended the game say otherwise.