New Conference re-alignment thread

[Coogs]

Apparently I was wrong. It appears the Big 10 may be all about academics and not football.

[Saul Good]

The B1G is super excited about their decision to add Nebraska.

[tredadda]

Seat of power: How the SEC came to rule college football

http://www.omaha.com/article/20111231/SPORTS/712319797#seat-of-power-how-the-sec-came-to-rule-college-football

Five years ago today, the Nebraska football team battled Auburn at the Cotton Bowl.
It was a brisk morning. It was an ugly game. NU lost, 17-14.

That's the last time Nebraska tangled with the SEC.

At that moment, five conferences had captured the five previous BCS titles. Foreign was the idea of one league ruling the sport.

Since the AP poll began, a conference had won three consecutive national titles just twice; the Big Ten did it in the early 1940s, the SEC did it from 1978-80.

Why would the future be any different?

But behind the scenes, the SEC was building a powerhouse.

The blueprint: divisional alignment, which enhanced competitiveness and built a unique brand; a TV contract that exposed the league each Saturday to the largest possible audience; a bulging war chest that enabled athletic directors to lure the finest coaches in the country; a recruiting loophole that enabled coaches to widen the margin for error; an emphasis on defense, as everyone else in the spread-offense era prioritized points; a population boom in the South that expanded the pool of recruits and boosters.

One week after the 2007 Cotton Bowl came the watershed moment. The landscape hasn't been the same since.

Ohio State, led by Heisman winner Troy Smith, entered that year's BCS championship game No. 1. The controversy — it's the BCS, there's always controversy — focused on Ohio State's opponent. Should it be Michigan, whom the Buckeyes had beaten in a classic game to end the season? Or Florida, the one-loss SEC champion?

When Ohio State returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown in Glendale, Ariz., it looked like the voters had made a mistake.

But what happened the rest of the night foreshadowed the new world of SEC dominance. Florida outscored the Buckeyes 41-7.

By night's end, Gator fans were chanting "SEC! SEC!" We're still hearing the echoes.

A year later, LSU smoked Ohio State. Then Florida humbled Oklahoma. Alabama was next, dropping Texas. Auburn clipped Oregon. Five years, five national titles.

Next week, it'll be six straight for the SEC.

As Nebraska prepares for its first SEC test in five years, it's hard to believe college football's top conference used to be just like everyone else. Sometimes worse.

During a 10-season span from 1985-94, the SEC produced one team — one! — that finished top-3 in the AP poll. The past five years, it has produced eight; all other conferences combined have seven. And that's before LSU and Alabama finish top-3 this year.

Never in college football history has one league been this good for this long. It's not just postseason rankings and honors.

Look at budgets: Last year, 13 college football programs generated revenue exceeding $50 million. Seven were from the SEC. Ten programs had expenses exceeding $20 million. Six were from the SEC.

Look at coaching salaries: In 2006, five of the 20 highest-paid coaches in the country were SEC coaches. In 2011, the SEC has 10 of the top 20 — and seven of the top 11. Eight college football assistants made $700,000 or more this season. Seven coached in the SEC.

Look at crowds, both in the living rooms and the stadiums: The three highest-rated college football games of 2011 were SEC games: LSU-Alabama, LSU-Arkansas and LSU-Georgia. And six of the top 11 attendance leaders in the country are SEC schools.

Look at talent: Per capita, all nine SEC states are among the top 20 nationally in Division I-A football recruits. Four (Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Georgia) are top-5. Those kids generally stay home. Each of the last five years, the SEC has led all conferences in NFL Draft picks.

It's easy to identify why the SEC is better. What's more complicated is pinpointing what changed in the last decade. What prompted the surge?

Even the most sophisticated SEC observers aren't exactly sure. It's like looking at a strand of Christmas lights and trying to find the beginning.

But the SEC's rise to powerhouse is no fluke. And the reasons behind it — the power sources — suggest that the gap between the SEC and its competitors may actually grow over the next five years.

That's bad news for Nebraska and the Big Ten.

POWER SOURCE NO. 1: A GRAND FINALE

Every spring, SEC coaches gather in Destin, Fla., for the conference's spring meetings. In 1992, Gerry DiNardo was the head coach at Vanderbilt.

He remembers sitting in a room full of Southern icons: Johnny Majors, Pat Dye, Gene Stallings.

He watched them grill SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer about his crazy idea to expand the league, jump from seven conference games to eight, split into divisions and — here's the kicker — hold a conference championship game.

"I remember them saying, we'll never win another national championship because we're just going to beat the hell out of each other," said DiNardo, now a Big Ten Network analyst.

Of course, Alabama went unbeaten that fall and won the national title. The SEC's reign didn't begin for another decade, but DiNardo points to Kramer's decision as the spark.

The SEC title game generated additional revenue. It gave the SEC a unique platform at the end of the season. And, most important, the divisional structure made schools more competitive, DiNardo said.

No longer were you trying to beat nine teams (South Carolina and Arkansas didn't join the league until '92). To win the division, you only needed to beat five. That intensified the pressure "10-fold," DiNardo said. So did the close proximity of the division rivals.

"Once it became two six-team divisions, the traditional powers took an attitude like, 'You mean we can't be the best of six?'" DiNardo said.

Now Alabama wins a national title and Gene Chizik's seat gets a little warmer — he works a little harder. Then Auburn wins one, shifting pressure back to Nick Saban. All the while, LSU fans are griping at Les Miles — until he goes 13-0.

POWER SOURCE NO. 2: A NATIONAL STAGE

Sure, the money is good — the latest contract is $55 million per year. But that's not why people tout CBS as critical to the SEC's dominance.

While other conferences partnered with ABC/ESPN, which often show different games in different regions, the SEC struck a deal with CBS. Starting in 2001, it became the only conference with a national "game of the week" on one of the big three networks.

That ensured not only a huge audience for its top match-up, but also a network de
voted to promoting the SEC.

Don't underestimate CBS' national distribution as a recruiting tool, said Clay Travis, a Nashville-based SEC blogger and author. Not long ago, most SEC teams only recruited the South. Not anymore. Matthew Stafford came from Texas. Knowshon Moreno is from New Jersey. Felix Jones and Robert Meachem are from Oklahoma. Mark Ingram came from Michigan. Jerod Mayo and Percy Harvin came from Virginia.

"The SEC," said Tony Barnhart, SEC columnist and CBS analyst, "went from a very strong regional brand to a national brand."

POWER SOURCE NO. 3: 'THE ACQUISITION OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY'

That's Spencer Tillman's term for coaching improvement. According to the CBS analyst and former Oklahoma running back, it's the No. 1 reason for the SEC's dominant run.

Twenty years ago, SEC schools rarely ventured out of the South to find their coaches. Most new hires were alumni or former assistants. But this is the mercenary era of coaches, especially in the SEC.

Saban had no experience with Alabama before taking over in Tuscaloosa. Same with Urban Meyer and Florida and Miles and LSU.

The best minds in college football are flocking to the SEC because of prestige and money.
"The money that flooded into the conference with the new television deal went almost straight into coaches' pockets," Travis said.

In 2006, Tommy Tuberville was the highest-paid coach in the SEC at $2.2 million. Five years later, 10 SEC coaches earned more, led by Saban at $4.8 million.

But it's not just TV money, said Auburn Athletic Director Jay Jacobs. It's season-ticket and seat-licensing revenue. Attendance at SEC schools exceeded 76,000 per game in 2010, best in the country for the 13th straight year.

When the business of college football got more lucrative, said former Auburn coach Terry Bowden, programs began an arms race to build the biggest facilities and hire the best coaches. It exposed a competitive gulf.

Some programs couldn't raise the money to win big. But people in the South, Bowden said, were willing to do whatever it took. They ponied up.

Even the assistant coaches are getting rich. Last year, Gus Malzahn made $1.3 million as offensive coordinator at Auburn. That was greater than 11 BCS head coaches, including Rick Neuheisel, Kevin Wilson, Pat Fitzgerald, Paul Rhoads and Joe Paterno.

The reward is high. Judging by the long line of fired SEC coaches, so is the risk.

Travis attended a game at Alabama in 2006, the final year of the dreadful Mike Shula era. That day, an old fan looked at him and said, "This team is too big to be bad for this long."
To Travis, it underscored a critical point for the SEC.

"It's such a big business. You can't afford to be bad because it ultimately hits you in the coffers. You have to be good."

POWER SOURCE NO. 4: BROKEN PROMISES

FBS football programs are limited to 85 scholarship players and 25 initial scholarships per season. That hasn't stopped SEC schools from "over-signing."

Houston Nutt once signed 37 players to a recruiting class. Saban once signed 32.
How do SEC coaches get below the scholarship limits? Some players transfer or quit. Some fail academically or take medical hardships.

But the student-athlete doesn't always make the decision. Sometimes a coach flat-out yanks a scholarship from an underperforming player or recruit, essentially kicking him out of school. It's like promising Christmas presents to four kids, then buying three.

Over-signing enables SEC coaches to minimize the damage of poor talent evaluation. It's representative of the SEC culture, Terry Bowden said.

"If the rules allow you to over-sign, the SEC is going to take it to the extreme to make sure nobody has an advantage over them," Bowden said.

Last summer, the SEC announced new legislation that restricts over-signing. From a public relations standpoint, it's a smart move. But from a competitive standpoint, DiNardo said, it's a mistake.

"That will hurt them."

POWER SOURCE NO. 5: STICKING TO DEFENSE

Passing numbers skyrocketed the past 10 years as spread offenses swept through college football. But there's one league where the spread offense doesn't fly.

"We throw the ball way more than we ever did in college football," said Fox analyst Charles Davis, who played at Tennessee. "No one rushes the passer better than the SEC. No one. You take a good look at those high-waisted, high-cut, sprinter-looking defensive ends around 250-255. You ain't blocking those guys."

Last year, Sports Illustrated examined where elite defensive linemen come from. The nine SEC states make up less than 20 percent of U.S. population. Yet of 309 defensive linemen on NFL rosters, 39 percent hailed from SEC country. They're elite not only in quantity, but quality: Nick Fairley, Marcel Dareus, Glenn Dorsey, Carlos Dunlap, Jarvis Moss.

The bowl format — where the national title game comes after a month off — aids SEC defenses as they prepare for high-octane offenses. Ohio State managed 82 total yards against Florida. Oklahoma (2008) and Oregon ('10) also struggled.

"Time after time," Travis said, "we've been told, 'Oh, this offense is outstanding.' And time after time, when they get the chance to go against these SEC defenses, they don't perform."

POWER SOURCE NO. 6: A GREAT MIGRATION

One factor in the SEC's rise has nothing to do with football.

In 1980, the nine states that comprise the Big Ten footprint (including Nebraska) had a cumulative population of 62.1 million. The SEC's nine states totaled 39.5 million.

Since then, Southern cities, especially in Florida and Georgia, have flourished. Northern cities, especially in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, have stagnated.

The past 30 years, Big Ten states have grown by 12 percent. SEC states have grown by 49 percent. The Big Ten's population advantage of 23 million is now only 10 million.

THE FUTURE

Last summer, one of the nation's best quarterback recruits, Gunner Kiel, committed to his home-state school, underdog Indiana. It raised quite a stir in recruiting circles. But somewhere along the line, Kiel decided IU wasn't a big enough stage. He re-opened his recruitment.

And late last week, he chose LSU instead.

In one report, Kiel cited the SEC appeal: "A lot of people call it the NFL of college football."

Eventually, Travis speculates, the SEC will grab a school from Virginia and another from North Carolina. It will align with ESPN (in addition to its Saturday CBS coverage) and form a conference network that breaks the bank.

"The scary thing for the rest of the country is the SEC is going to continue to distance themselves," Travis said.

And as the SEC wins more national titles, its reputation grows. And reputation is half the battle in college football, where national titles are just as often decided by politicking as scoring touchdowns.

In 2004, Auburn missed a shot at a BCS title because voters deemed the unbeaten Tigers inferior to USC and Oklahoma.

Seven years later, perception has changed. As as a result, Alabama got the benefit of the doubt over Oklahoma State.

By winning six straight championships, the path to a seventh gets easier.

The SEC will likely start next season with four or five teams in the top-10.
Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and Arkansas should match up with anybody in the country.

Except maybe one team, which returns its best offensive playmakers and — more important — most of its vaunted defense.

You thought LSU was good last year? Wait 'til you see 'em in 2012.

Contact the writer:

402-649-1461, dirk.chatelain@owh.com, twitter.com/dirkchatelain

Sources: Athletic budget data compiled from the U.S. Department of Education; Coaching salary data compiled by USA Today; TV ratings released by CBS Sports; Attendance compiled by the NCAA; Recruiting data compiled by the Tulsa World; NFL Draft data compiled by the NFL; State populations gathered from U.S. census data.
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ADDITIONAL POWER SOURCES:

The BCS: Yes, it's maddening, but in the old bowl system, Florida never would've gotten a chance to play Ohio State after the 2006 season. LSU would not have played the Buckeyes the next year. Ohio State would have probably beaten Pac-10 teams in the Rose Bowl and — since it entered the bowls ranked No. 1 —- won two national championships. The BCS has opened the door for the SEC. And a plus-one system would likely open it farther, giving two SEC teams a shot at a title more often.

The fall of Miami and Florida State: The two best Southern programs of the 1980s and '90s fell on hard times in the early 2000s. For the SEC, that not only opened the door to more national championships, it opened up Florida for recruiting. “A lot of those kids in south Florida that would automatically go to Miami, they're going to Florida or Auburn or Alabama,” Tony Barnhart said.

High school spring football: Prospects in Louisiana and Mississippi are practicing in March and April. The extra work especially helps bigger kids, Gerry DiNardo said. “The offensive linemen, they're not going home at 2:30. They're going to spring practice. In Ohio, the big kids are going home.”

Educational improvements in the South: The talent pool has grown because of population, but also education. Low-income students, especially minority students, are better equipped to qualify and handle the academic load at SEC schools, said Doug Dickey, former head coach at Tennessee and Florida. “We're in the third or fourth generation of integrated schools in the South. We have had during that time from the '60s to now tremendous growth in the Southeastern United States ... and the educational system has grown with that. So you have far more players today in 2011-12 than were qualified to play in the '60s, '70s and even '80s.”

I think this article shows why Missouri made a great decision about moving from the Big 12 to the SEC. They are going to the best conference in the country and a conference that appears to be getting even better and stronger. Here's hoping they can compete long term.

[Saul Good]

The Big XII is looking good in these bowl games. The KSU/Arkansas game will be interesting, as the Big XII and SEC have dominated the postseason to this point.

[DaKCMan AP]

The Big XII is looking good in these bowl games. The KSU/Arkansas game will be interesting, as the Big XII and SEC have dominated the postseason to this point.

The Big XII has looked good, however they should as they've had favorable match ups.

*Oklahoma St vs. Stanford (Big XII #1 vs. Pac-12 #2)
*Kansas St vs. Arkansas (Big XII #2 vs. SEC #4)
*Baylor vs. Washington (Big XII #3 vs. Pac-12 #4)
*Oklahoma vs. Iowa (Big XII #4 vs. Big10 #6)
*Missouri vs. North Carolina (Big XII #5 vs. ACC #9)
Texas vs. California (Big XII #6 vs. Pac-12 #6)
*Texas A&M vs. Northwestern (Big XII #7 vs. Big10 #9)
Iowa St vs. Rutgers (Big XII #8 vs. Big East #4)

Georgia vs. Michigan St (SEC #3 vs. Big10 #2)
Arkansas vs. Kansas St (SEC #4 vs. Big XII #2)
South Carolina vs. Nebraska (SEC #5 vs. Big10 #5)
Auburn vs. Virginia (SEC #6 vs. ACC #3)
*Florida vs. ohio state (SEC #7 vs. Big10 #8)
Mississippi St vs. Wake Forest (SEC #8 vs. ACC #5)
Vanderbilt vs. Cincinnati (SEC #9 vs. Big East #1)

[Mr. Plow]

This is the first player that I've seen that has changed his stance on MU specifically because they left for the SEC.


Per ESPN:

Days after decommitting from Missouri, defensive tackle Donald Hopkins (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/news/_/id/137582/donald-hopkins) (Lago Vista, Texas) has found a new home.

Hopkins late Sunday night confirmed that he has given a verbal commitment to Houston. The four-star Under Armour All-American, who came back Sunday from an official visit at Utah, chose the Cougars over offers from Utah and UTSA.

Hopkins becomes Houston’s 21^st commitment. More importantly, Hopkins becomes the Cougars’ highest-ranked commitment. He is only Houston’s second four-star commit of the 2012 recruiting class, joining offensive tackle Mac Long (Edna, Texas).

6-foot-2, 275-pound tackle, Hopkins decommitted from Missouri last week. For weeks, he had questions about Missouri leaving the Big 12 and moving to the SEC, which meant fewer games for his family in Texas to watch in person. Houston will play in the Big East Conference beginning in 2013, but Lago Vista is only a 2 ½-hour drive from Houston, which means driving to home games is doable for his family.

Hopkins said he was recruited by defensive line coach Carlton Hall. He also said he is excited about playing for new head coach Tony Levine, who was promoted from interim coach after Kevin Sumlin accepted the similar job at Texas A&M.

Hopkins is ranked No. 17 among defensive tackles nationally. He is ranked No. 28 among players in Texas.

[DaKCMan AP]

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[baitism]

This is the first player that I've seen that has changed his stance on MU specifically because they left for the SEC.

His decision would make sense if he had gone to a Big 12 school. It is not like going to the Big East means you play much more in Texas. I hope he likes flying.

[DaKCMan AP]

His decision would make sense if he had gone to a Big 12 school. It is not like going to the Big East means you play much more in Texas. I hope he likes flying.

Not really. If he stayed at Mizzou he'd play in Texas about once every other year. At Houston at least half his games will be in Texas.

[Saul Good]

His decision would make sense if he had gone to a Big 12 school. It is not like going to the Big East means you play much more in Texas. I hope he likes flying.

No, but going to school in Texas means he will play more games in Texas.

[Saul Good]

Gunner Kiel will NOT be attending LSU. He has enrolled at Notre Dame.

[Titty Meat]

How is Missouri not in the top 25 this year in recruiting with all the talent in the state?

[duncan_idaho]

How is Missouri not in the top 25 this year in recruiting with all the talent in the state?

"All the talent" = 2 five-stars and 2 four-stars and a bunch of three-stars.

1) DGB - still in the air (and still a decent shot at him)
2) Pipkins - has only lived in Missouri for a few years and was a lifelong Michigan fan and still has most of his family in Michigan. As soon as they offered, it was over.
3) Boehm - going to Mizzou
4) Neal - fell in love with OU (And is going to get buried down there by other receivers. Hope he enjoys being irrelevant and eating his own puke)

They haven't really pursued any of the higher ranked three-stars (Rose, Shepard, Chasson), though they did extend an offer to Shepard but slow played him due to DGB.

[Titty Meat]

"All the talent" = 2 five-stars and 2 four-stars and a bunch of three-stars.

1) DGB - still in the air (and still a decent shot at him)
2) Pipkins - has only lived in Missouri for a few years and was a lifelong Michigan fan and still has most of his family in Michigan. As soon as they offered, it was over.
3) Boehm - going to Mizzou
4) Neal - fell in love with OU (And is going to get buried down there by other receivers. Hope he enjoys being irrelevant and eating his own puke)

They haven't really pursued any of the higher ranked three-stars (Rose, Shepard, Chasson), though they did extend an offer to Shepard but slow played him due to DGB.

I'd be willing to bet you DGB goes to Arkansas. I think you guys made a mistake not going after Rose he's going to be a beast. Are you not disappointed with this years recruiting class?

[DJ's left nut]

Gunner Kiel will NOT be attending LSU. He has enrolled at Notre Dame.

Good. I've already started w/ my hatred for LSU; it really is like putting on an old baseball glove. I'm surprised by how easily I was able to dislike them.

At least the Indiana guy stayed in Indiana. I hated the idea of him just being a gun for hire and going to LSU. And ultimately, I truly do believe that college football is better when teams like ND and USC are good. It's somewhat elitist and counter-intuitive for me, but successful teams with a national profile pull more eyes to the sport.

[duncan_idaho]

I'd be willing to bet you DGB goes to Arkansas. I think you guys made a mistake not going after Rose he's going to be a beast. Are you not disappointed with this years recruiting class?

Rose and his father made it quite clear, quite early on, that they were a Nebraska family and he was going to Nebraska.

The current state of the recruiting class is disappointing, but it isn't signing day yet. We will see on DGB. His family (mom and dad) are very pro-Mizzou. He referred to Mizzou as "home" and talked about how "awesome" Pinkel's most recent visit was, and about how he liked the coaching staff.

It's not as one-sided to Arkansas as Hawg fans would have people believe.

[duncan_idaho]

Here's the real reason I looked up this thread:

Article on SEC Network dollars (http://outkickthecoverage.com/texas-am-and-missouri-worth-at-least-114-million-a-year-to-sec.php) from Outkick the Coverage, which has been en-pointe throughout this process.

"You tell 'em the SEC Network is coming, and money is coming with it!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cjsRky09j1o/Tgy-5eVJpOI/AAAAAAAAAgk/Qce-cwCwCYA/s1600/Tombstone.jpg

[Trevo_410]

http://outkickthecoverage.com/alabama-teabagger-brian-downing-arrested-in-new-orleans.php

lol

[Bowser]

http://outkickthecoverage.com/alabama-teabagger-brian-downing-arrested-in-new-orleans.php

lol

The comments are always the best....

Jason Holloway · Nashville, Tennessee

I smell a Tosh.0 web redemption in the near future. David chapelle said it best: if you pass out around white people, you will have some borderline gay shit happen to you.

[Saul Good]

Good. I've already started w/ my hatred for LSU; it really is like putting on an old baseball glove. I'm surprised by how easily I was able to dislike them.

At least the Indiana guy stayed in Indiana. I hated the idea of him just being a gun for hire and going to LSU. And ultimately, I truly do believe that college football is better when teams like ND and USC are good. It's somewhat elitist and counter-intuitive for me, but successful teams with a national profile pull more eyes to the sport.

Rumor has it that Kiel asked Mizzou if the offer was there, and Pinkel told him no. Same thing at OU (don't know who he asked first). Then he went to Notre Dame.

Speculation is that Pinkel didn't want Mauk to leave because Kiel signed only to then watch Kiel change his mind yet again.

[kepp]

Rumor has it that Kiel asked Mizzou if the offer was there, and Pinkel told him no. Same thing at OU (don't know who he asked first). Then he went to Notre Dame.

Speculation is that Pinkel didn't want Mauk to leave because Kiel signed only to then watch Kiel change his mind yet again.

Good. I think Mauk is better suited to our offense anyway.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Here's the real reason I looked up this thread:

Article on SEC Network dollars (http://outkickthecoverage.com/texas-am-and-missouri-worth-at-least-114-million-a-year-to-sec.php) from Outkick the Coverage, which has been en-pointe throughout this process.

"You tell 'em the SEC Network is coming, and money is coming with it!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cjsRky09j1o/Tgy-5eVJpOI/AAAAAAAAAgk/Qce-cwCwCYA/s1600/Tombstone.jpgUh, Bill Self is quoted as saying that Missouri would NOT make more money in the SEC.

[Saul Good]

Uh, Bill Self is quoted as saying that Missouri would NOT make more money in the SEC.

Actually, he was quoted as saying, "Missouri, uh uh uh, would NOT make, uh uh uh, more money in the, uh uh uh SEC".

[RustShack]

Sources are reporting that football schools in the ACC have contacted the Big 12 about possible affiliation, and the Big 12 is interested.
Here are possible additions to get to 16.

Option 1: Notre Dame (would come along with rivals included), Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State

Option 2: Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech

TV will drive this, and with bidding coming soon, this is a package the networks would drool over. This would put the Big 12 in a position to compete as the elite conference with the SEC.

Here is the link:
Big 12 to Target ACC | January

[RustShack]

Sources are reporting that football schools in the ACC have contacted the Big 12 about possible affiliation, and the Big 12 is interested.
Here are possible additions to get to 16.

Option 1: Notre Dame (would come along with rivals included), Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State

Option 2: Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech

TV will drive this, and with bidding coming soon, this is a package the networks would drool over. This would put the Big 12 in a position to compete as the elite conference with the SEC.

Here is the link:
Big 12 to Target ACC | January

[Saul Good]

Sources are reporting that football schools in the ACC have contacted the Big 12 about possible affiliation, and the Big 12 is interested.
Here are possible additions to get to 16.

Option 1: Notre Dame (would come along with rivals included), Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State

Option 2: Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech

TV will drive this, and with bidding coming soon, this is a package the networks would drool over. This would put the Big 12 in a position to compete as the elite conference with the SEC.

Here is the link:
Big 12 to Target ACC | January
This is the stupidest scenario I've ever heard. Any rumors that the Green Bay Packers are joining too?

[Setsuna]

Big 12 can have 20 teams, they will never return to elite status.

[Bambi]

Sources are reporting that football schools in the ACC have contacted the Big 12 about possible affiliation, and the Big 12 is interested.
Here are possible additions to get to 16.

Option 1: Notre Dame (would come along with rivals included), Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State

Option 2: Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech

TV will drive this, and with bidding coming soon, this is a package the networks would drool over. This would put the Big 12 in a position to compete as the elite conference with the SEC.

Here is the link:
Big 12 to Target ACC | January

I'd take North Carolina, Duke and Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech maybe too...

Where are they in this scenario?

[Saul Good]

I'd take North Carolina, Duke and Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech maybe too...

Where are they in this scenario?

In a stable conference with good academics.

[Bambi]

In a stable conference with good academics.

Cool. Stability is nice.

[RustShack]

Big 12 can have 20 teams, they will never return to elite status.

Lol. They were up there this year. SEC was more top heavy, but Big12 was better across the board. Still BS that OKST wasn't in the NC either, but it was mostly SEC biased people in the voting so of course.

[HolyHandgernade]

I'd take North Carolina, Duke and Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech maybe too...

Where are they in this scenario?

According to the scenario, the "football schools" are dissatisfied with the way Duke and UNC run the conference with their basketball first mentalities. I don't know how much stock I would put into that. The ACC is a media darling for ESPN. The only reason this story would get any actual legs would depend on the seriousness of NBC as a player in collegiate football. If they offer ridiculous cash to push this move, then who knows.

[kepp]

Lol. They were up there this year. SEC was more top heavy, but Big12 was better across the board. Still BS that OKST wasn't in the NC either, but it was mostly SEC biased people in the voting so of course.

BS? Both OKST and Alabama had one loss. Who had the "better" loss?

[DJ's left nut]

Lol. They were up there this year. SEC was more top heavy, but Big12 was better across the board. Still BS that OKST wasn't in the NC either, but it was mostly SEC biased people in the voting so of course.

Just keep cupping those balls, Rusty. You need the IIX to stay nice and content lest you end up in the Missouri Valley.

[Infidel Goat]

The ACC's hope is that they can get Notre Dame and UConn. They'll probably wait for Notre Dame to make a move before finishing up their conference with 16 teams.

If Notre Dame says no, I expect UConn and Rutgers to be the final two teams.

No ACC team will be joining the Big 12 despite the pablum noted by Rustsack.

[Saul Good]

The ACC's hope is that they can get Notre Dame and UConn. They'll probably wait for Notre Dame to make a move before finishing up their conference with 16 teams.

If Notre Dame says no, I expect UConn and Rutgers to be the final two teams.

No ACC team will be joining the Big 12 despite the pablum noted by Rustsack.

The only way ACC teams would consider moving to the Big XII would be if the ACC took a big hit. The obvious scenario would be something along the lines of Virginia Tech and NC State joining the SEC.

I don't think that alone would be enough to push teams to the Big XII, but it could start a chain of events that might work in the Big XII's favor. Pretty much any other reasonable scenario involves the Big XII losing teams.

Notre Dame will join the Big XII right after Indiana becomes the 32nd state in Mexico.

[DaKCMan AP]

Sources are reporting that football schools in the ACC have contacted the Big 12 about possible affiliation, and the Big 12 is interested.
Here are possible additions to get to 16.

Option 1: Notre Dame (would come along with rivals included), Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State

Option 2: Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech

TV will drive this, and with bidding coming soon, this is a package the networks would drool over. This would put the Big 12 in a position to compete as the elite conference with the SEC.

Here is the link:
Big 12 to Target ACC | January

:LOL:

[Mr. Plow]

I wish I had a blog so that I could spout off any stupid idea I have as fact.

[Pants]

Big 12 can have 20 teams, they will never return to elite status.

Why, because Nebraska left? The 2 teams that make the conference elite are still there.

[|Zach|]

I wish I had a blog so that I could spout off any stupid idea I have as fact.

And have Rust "hey you guys, this is the year ISU is gonna be good" Shack post it.

[Saul Good]

I wish I had a blog so that I could spout off any stupid idea I have as fact.

If you get one, make sure to only view things from "does it benefit me" perspective when determining if its a good move. For example, if Notre Dame joining your conference benefits you, its going to happen even though there is nothing in it for Notre Dame.

[Mr. Plow]

First blog entry....

"All BCS conferences to sign over TV rights & profits to KU"

[Saul Good]

First blog entry....

"All BCS conferences to sign over TV rights & profits to KU"

Work "sources are reporting" in there, and you're cooking with gas.

[Mr. Plow]

Work "sources are reporting" in there, and you're cooking with gas.

Got it....


"Sources reporting all BCS conferences to sign over TV rights & profits to KU"


Now, I just need someone to tweet it and we're rolling.

[baitism]

I accidentally had the radio on 810 when I started my car this morning and heard about 30 seconds of KK before I wanted to puke and changed it to 610. Dude really believes Clemson is going to come to the Big 12. LOL.

[mnchiefsguy]

I accidentally had the radio on 810 when I started my car this morning and heard about 30 seconds of KK before I wanted to puke and changed it to 610. Dude really believes Clemson is going to come to the Big 12. LOL.

Yeah, KK was all hot and bothered thinking FSU and Clemson would be coming to the Big XII. Made me laugh.

[KcMizzou]

And have Rust "hey you guys, this is the year ISU is gonna be good" Shack post it.You have to admire his persistence. That dude just keeps throwing it out there.. "One of these days..."

[RustShack]

And have Rust "hey you guys, this is the year ISU is gonna be good" Shack post it.

We've been better every year since I started saying that. And next year isn't going to be any different. Your school bitched out at the right time.

[KcMizzou]

We've been better every year since I started saying that. And next year isn't going to be any different. Your school bitched out at the right time.:thumb:

[RustShack]

:)

[Trevo_410]

:)
:Peace:

[Bambi]

I accidentally had the radio on 810 when I started my car this morning and heard about 30 seconds of KK before I wanted to puke and changed it to 610. Dude really believes Clemson is going to come to the Big 12. LOL.

lol, anyway...what story is he referring to? I heard him talk about it too.

Is he using that blog and CP as his sources??

[|Zach|]

We've been better every year since I started saying that. And next year isn't going to be any different. Your school bitched out at the right time.

Sucks not having that automatic Cyclone win each year.

[Pitt Gorilla]

We've been better every year since I started saying that. And next year isn't going to be any different. Your school bitched out at the right time.My Panthers did you guys in your house. Mizzou did as well.

[Pitt Gorilla]

New Logo inside the athletic complex.

https://p.twimg.com/AkA5oXxCMAAyp0W.jpg

[duncan_idaho]

New Logo inside the athletic complex.

https://p.twimg.com/AkA5oXxCMAAyp0W.jpg

Wow.

I think conference pride is stupid (will never chant SEC, will never brag about how tough conference is, will never root for another conference school, just like I treat the Big 12), but that is a pretty badass logo, I must admit.

[Saul Good]

I accidentally had the radio on 810 when I started my car this morning and heard about 30 seconds of KK before I wanted to puke and changed it to 610. Dude really believes Clemson is going to come to the Big 12. LOL.

I love listening to him talk about realignment.

He called the Gators a nothing team and said they dropped from champions to obscurity or something along those lines.

He also promised that Mizzou would wish we were back in the Big XII within 10 years.

Neinas was on the show late and proved that he had no understanding of how the conference network would work nor does he have any clue how much the B1G network charges per household (said it was $0.40 per household). It did sound like the conference wants to expand, though.

[DJ's left nut]

Okay, that is freakin' awesome

[kepp]

Sucks not having that automatic Cyclone win each year.

Cyclones, Commodores...tomato, tomahto

[kepp]

Neinas was on the show late and proved that he had no understanding of how the conference network would work nor does he have any clue how much the B1G network charges per household (said it was $0.40 per household). It did sound like the conference wants to expand, though.

I heard some of that interview. They spent the entire time (that I heard) trying to "prove" that Mizzou would gain nothing from the move and that we had miscalculated everything.

[duncan_idaho]

I heard some of that interview. They spent the entire time (that I heard) trying to "prove" that Mizzou would gain nothing from the move and that we had miscalculated everything.

Neinas comes off as a buffoon every time I hear him speak.

He made a lot out of the existing 10 in the Big 12 not seeing any fits for expansion that were "worth it."

He's woefully uninformed about the Big Ten network and has his head in the sand regarding a potential SEC network.

Here's the latest from Outkick the Coverage on a potential SEC Network and its value (http://outkickthecoverage.com/whats-the-sec-network-worth-a-year.php).

[siberian khatru]

We've been better every year since I started saying that. And next year isn't going to be any different. Your school bitched out at the right time.

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[Saul Good]

Neinas comes off as a buffoon every time I hear him speak.

He made a lot out of the existing 10 in the Big 12 not seeing any fits for expansion that were "worth it."

He's woefully uninformed about the Big Ten network and has his head in the sand regarding a potential SEC network.

Here's the latest from Outkick the Coverage on a potential SEC Network and its value (http://outkickthecoverage.com/whats-the-sec-network-worth-a-year.php).

Chuck just needs to stop talking about Mizzou. Everything he has said has turned out to be wrong. Is he still guaranteeing that Mizzou will play in the Big XII in the 2012 season?

[duncan_idaho]

Chuck just needs to stop talking about Mizzou. Everything he has said has turned out to be wrong. Is he still guaranteeing that Mizzou will play in the Big XII in the 2012 season?

No, but he's now guaranteeing there will be 10 teams in league play in 2012-13...

[DaKCMan AP]

Wow.

I think conference pride is stupid (will never chant SEC, will never brag about how tough conference is, will never root for another conference school, just like I treat the Big 12), but that is a pretty badass logo, I must admit.

I think not having conference pride is stupid. It's kind of an 'Only I'm allowed to pick on them' type relationship. Maybe you'll start to realize it after some time in the SEC when you see other schools thinking they deserve a title shot yet they haven't played the type of gauntlet a SEC team goes through.

[duncan_idaho]

I think not having conference pride is stupid. It's kind of an 'Only I'm allowed to pick on them' type relationship. Maybe you'll start to realize it after some time in the SEC when you see other schools thinking they deserve a title shot yet they haven't played the type of gauntlet a SEC team goes through.

Pretty sure I will never realize it.

I have always rooted for conference foes to lose every single game they play in nonconference situations. In conference games, I root for whatever is in best interest of my team. And if my team has no interest, I casually hope the team I hate less wins. And I hate all conference foes.

You will never hear me chant "SEC"

You will never hear me talk about the "SEC gauntlet." If the schedule breaks out particularly tough (like it did for Mizzou this year in the Big 12), you might hear something, but it won't be specific to "our conference."

I will root for your team (Florida) to lose every single game it plays now, in all sports (unless there's a vested interest for my team). Nothing personal, I think you're an awesome poster.

Conference pride is a substitute for being proud in one's own institution, IMO. I would rather stand on my school's achievement - even with the limitations that might bring with it - than ever talk about "conference" achievement like I had any part in it.

[DaKCMan AP]

Pretty sure I will never realize it.

I have always rooted for conference foes to lose every single game they play in nonconference situations. In conference games, I root for whatever is in best interest of my team. And if my team has no interest, I casually hope the team I hate less wins. And I hate all conference foes.

You will never hear me chant "SEC"

You will never hear me talk about the "SEC gauntlet." If the schedule breaks out particularly tough (like it did for Mizzou this year in the Big 12), you might hear something, but it won't be specific to "our conference."

I will root for your team (Florida) to lose every single game it plays now, in all sports (unless there's a vested interest for my team). Nothing personal, I think you're an awesome poster.

Conference pride is a substitute for being proud in one's own institution, IMO. I would rather stand on my school's achievement - even with the limitations that might bring with it - than ever talk about "conference" achievement like I had any part in it.

Disagree. IMO, conference pride is a complement to school pride. Your conference performing well against out-of-conference opponents improves and benefits your conference and, in turn, your team.

[duncan_idaho]

Disagree. IMO, conference pride is a complement to school pride. Your conference performing well against out-of-conference opponents improves and benefits your conference and, in turn, your team.

I'm a bad conference mate, what can I say. It's all about me winning as much as possible and my conference foes (not partners, never partners) losing as much as possible.

My real name is Texas-Oklahoma, BTW...

[Bambi]

Pretty sure I will never realize it.

I have always rooted for conference foes to lose every single game they play in nonconference situations. In conference games, I root for whatever is in best interest of my team. And if my team has no interest, I casually hope the team I hate less wins. And I hate all conference foes.

You will never hear me chant "SEC"

You will never hear me talk about the "SEC gauntlet." If the schedule breaks out particularly tough (like it did for Mizzou this year in the Big 12), you might hear something, but it won't be specific to "our conference."

I will root for your team (Florida) to lose every single game it plays now, in all sports (unless there's a vested interest for my team). Nothing personal, I think you're an awesome poster.

Conference pride is a substitute for being proud in one's own institution, IMO. I would rather stand on my school's achievement - even with the limitations that might bring with it - than ever talk about "conference" achievement like I had any part in it.

The "go whatever conference I'm in" thing is definitely weird.

I guess it's kinda like the "USA, USA" chant.

I don't get it.

[DJ's left nut]

It seems a little more old-school to me.

My grandpa roots for everyone in the B1G, he's an Illinois guy. My dad roots for everyone in the IIX (or at least he used to; no idea what he'll do now).

I've always been closer to Duncan's POV - !@#$ everyone else in the conference unless it somehow makes us look better. Come bowl season, I would root for the IIX teams (except for KU, KU can always eat a dick, even if they're playing the Taliban). And if Mizzou was going to be playing a tough game, I'd prefer see that opponent be ranked to help our strength of win or loss (and hopefully not anger the opponent we were soon playing).

But that had nothing to do with pride in the conference, just wanting to see Mizzou's standing elevated.

We'll see if that changes in the SEC. I can say this - I already want Arkansas to lose every game it plays (it's amazing how easy that transition from KU to Arkansas is going to be; Petrino makes that one easy program to loathe) and I don't think I'll be sad to see LSU stumble here and there either.

[talastan]

It seems a little more old-school to me.

My grandpa roots for everyone in the B1G, he's an Illinois guy. My dad roots for everyone in the IIX (or at least he used to; no idea what he'll do now).

I've always been closer to Duncan's POV - !@#$ everyone else in the conference unless it somehow makes us look better. Come bowl season, I would root for the IIX teams (except for KU, KU can always eat a dick, even if they're playing the Taliban). And if Mizzou was going to be playing a tough game, I'd prefer see that opponent be ranked to help our strength of win or loss (and hopefully not anger the opponent we were soon playing).

But that had nothing to do with pride in the conference, just wanting to see Mizzou's standing elevated.

We'll see if that changes in the SEC. I can say this - I already want Arkansas to lose every game it plays (it's amazing how easy that transition from KU to Arkansas is going to be; Petrino makes that one easy program to loathe) and I don't think I'll be sad to see LSU stumble here and there either.


This especially when I've met Razorback fans that are already talking **** on us. If they get DGB as well I'll have more of a reason to hate the Arkytards. I want to see him stay in Missouri.

[|Zach|]

New Logo inside the athletic complex.

https://p.twimg.com/AkA5oXxCMAAyp0W.jpg

The company who does a lot of the athletic complex design work like at Mizzou hires me here and there for photo stuff. Hoping this SEC move means more business because that is a lot of design change. woot.

[rageeumr]

I can say this - I already want Arkansas to lose every game it plays (it's amazing how easy that transition from KU to Arkansas is going to be; Petrino makes that one easy program to loathe)

With Petrino and Anderson, I'm pretty sure I can drum up some Arky hate pretty easily.

[DaKCMan AP]

Don't get me wrong - there's no love lost. I despise Georgia, Tennessee, Bama, LSU, etc. However, when they're matched up against a joke school from the ACC/Big10/Pac12/etc then I want the SEC team to prevail.

[DaKCMan AP]

This is pretty good:


LSU updates Tiger Stadium for 2012 season
http://i.imgur.com/KXODT.jpg

[Braincase]

The "go whatever conference I'm in" thing is definitely weird.

I guess it's kinda like the "USA, USA" chant.

I don't get it.

For some it's the way they are bred. Or, in the case of the SEC, inbred.

[Bambi]

For some it's the way they are bred. Or, in the case of the SEC, inbred.

Did you see the teabagging guy?

wtf was that?

What a disgusting act.

[DaKCMan AP]

For some it's the way they are bred. Or, in the case of the SEC, inbred.

That's funny coming from a conference that's adding WVU.

[Bambi]

That's funny coming from a conference that's adding WVU.

WVU for MU. It's a wash in the meth department.

[Frazod]

WVU for MU. It's a wash in the meth department.

Not really. Crappy state, small population, doesn't rate professional teams.

It's like Kansas with hills.

[Saul Good]

Not really. Crappy state, small population, doesn't rate professional teams.

It's like Kansas with hills.

Holy shit. I never looked at it that way, but it's even named after it's more impressive neighbor to the East, just like Kansas.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Not really. Crappy state, small population, doesn't rate professional teams.

It's like Kansas with hills.

Yeah you are right....what a crappy state.

In other news...

Report: Missouri Leads Nation In Black Homicides
http://www.kmbc.com/news/30296357/detail.html

That's two years in a row! Don't let up!

[Frazod]

Yeah you are right....what a crappy state.

In other news...

Report: Missouri Leads Nation In Black Homicides
http://www.kmbc.com/news/30296357/detail.html

That's two years in a row! Don't let up!

One of the drawbacks of having an actual population, I guess. :shrug:

[duncan_idaho]

Not really. Crappy state, small population, doesn't rate professional teams.

It's like Kansas with hills.

You left out dumber, fatter, and poorer.

[patteeu]

Holy shit. I never looked at it that way, but it's even named after it's more impressive neighbor to the East, just like Kansas.

LMAO

[Mr_Tomahawk]

One of the drawbacks of having an actual population, I guess. :shrug:

Yeah.

THAT'S the problem.

[Frazod]

Yeah.

THAT'S the problem.

I'm sure outer fucking Mongolia has a low crime rate, too.

[Pants]

Irony:

Neither frazod nor Saul Good chose to live in MO.

I don't blame them, but it is funny seeing them talk about this or that state being worse.

[Pants]

One of the drawbacks of having an actual population, I guess. :shrug:

Does Missouri have the highest population of all 50 states to garner the highest murder rate of black people? :shrug:

[duncan_idaho]

One of the drawbacks of having an actual population, I guess. :shrug:

Or one of the drawbacks of having a black, urban area of St. Louis butting up against the cesspool that is East St. Louis, Illinois. I think that's probably more appropriate.

White flight hit St. Louis much worse than it hit Kansas City. The difference between the "bad" areas of KC and the "bad" areas of St. Louis is pretty drastic, IMO.

[DJ's left nut]

Yeah you are right....what a crappy state.

In other news...

Report: Missouri Leads Nation In Black Homicides
http://www.kmbc.com/news/30296357/detail.html

That's two years in a row! Don't let up!

Small wonder the SEC found us so appealing, then...

[Frazod]

Irony:

Neither frazod nor Saul Good chose to live in MO.

I don't blame them, but it is funny seeing them talk about this or that state being worse.

I stayed in the area where I was stationed when I got out of the Navy. The reason it's Illinois is because it was the closest thing they had to Missouri.

I'm just a few hours away, big guy.

[Saul Good]

I'm about a par 5 from Missouri, myself. It's a suburb of Missouri which is close enough for me. JoCo is Missouri's hat.

[Bambi]

Not really. Crappy state, small population, doesn't rate professional teams.

It's like Kansas with hills.

Didn't know you were a fan of New Jersey.

[Bambi]

Irony:

Neither frazod nor Saul Good chose to live in MO.

I don't blame them, but it is funny seeing them talk about this or that state being worse.

lol, are you serious?

I knew Frazod lives in the JV New York but I thought SG was MO through and through.

Where does he live?

[duncan_idaho]

The Kansas side of KC is Kansas City's Canada. It's population huddles up against our border and leeches off our city.

Side note: I will say the same thing about West County St. Louis. But that's a debate best saved for the DC board.

[Bambi]

Small wonder the SEC found us so appealing, then...

lol, now this is funny

[Saul Good]

Didn't know you were a fan of New Jersey.

That part of New Jersey is a suburb of NYC much the way JoCo is a suburb of KC.

[|Zach|]

I like El Camino Real. That is the best thing about KCK.

[Pants]

I'm about a par 5 from Missouri, myself. It's a suburb of Missouri which is close enough for me. JoCo is Missouri's hat.

LMAO

You chose to live in Kansas. Case closed.

There are people living in California who are a par 5 from Mexico. There are people living in Austria who are a par 5 from Hungary.

You made your choice and I can't blame you for it. You're like those immigrants who complain about America saying how much their shithole of a country is better while they chose to make their life here, though. That makes me laugh too.

[Bambi]

LMAO

You chose to live in Kansas. Case closed.

There are people living in California who are a par 5 from Mexico. There are people living in Austria who are a par 5 from Hungary.

You made your choice and I can't blame you for it. You're like those immigrants who complain about America saying how much their shithole of a country is better while they chose to make their life here, though. That makes me laugh too.

I don't know what makes me chuckle more. Saul's hypocrisy regarding where he lives or the website he chooses to get his collegiate sports earnings from.

[Saul Good]

LMAO

You chose to live in Kansas. Case closed.

There are people living in California who are a par 5 from Mexico. There are people living in Austria who are a par 5 from Hungary.

You made your choice and I can't blame you for it. You're like those immigrants who complain about America saying how much their shithole of a country is better while they chose to make their life here, though. That makes me laugh too.

Your logic is retarded. I live in a suburb of Missouri that happens to be west of state line road. I wanted to live in a suburb of KC, and I do.

[Saul Good]

I don't know what makes me chuckle more. Saul's hypocrisy regarding where he lives or the website he chooses to get his collegiate sports earnings from.

I got it from the Kansas Athletics press release, dipshit. You didn't even read the article you posted.

[Bambi]

I got it from the Kansas Athletics press release, dipshit. You didn't even read the article you posted.

You're right. We didn't get the scoreboard in additional to the $86 million.

DAMN!

[Frazod]

lol, are you serious?

I knew Frazod lives in the JV New York but I thought SG was MO through and through.

Where does he live?

I actually turned down an opportunity to move to New York a few years ago. Not a fan of big cities in general, but as cities go, Chicago's not that bad. Better than the filthy overcrowded pisshole you live in.

[Bambi]

I actually turned down an opportunity to move to New York a few years ago. Not a fan of big cities in general, but as cities go, Chicago's not that bad. Better than the filthy overcrowded pisshole you live in.

"Not bad" is exactly how I'd describe Chicago.

[Saul Good]

You're right. We didn't get the scoreboard in additional to the $86 million.

DAMN!

You didn't get an "additional" $86 million, either. You got $86 million over 12 years INSTEAD OF $65 million over 10 years.

[Saul Good]

I actually turned down an opportunity to move to New York a few years ago. Not a fan of big cities in general, but as cities go, Chicago's not that bad. Better than the filthy overcrowded pisshole you live in.

There are some really nice parts of NYC. Wickedson doesn't live in any of them, though.

[Bambi]

You didn't get an "additional" $86 million, either. You got $86 million over 12 years INSTEAD OF $65 million over 10 years.

Get your figures right next time before coming in and playing.

Might want to check the dates on the articles too.

It's the internet. It's just typing buttons.

[Braincase]

Get your figures right next time before coming in and playing.

Might want to check the dates on the articles too.

It's the internet. It's just typing buttons.

Hey, there's facts and then there's Saul Good facts.

[Braincase]

"Not bad" is exactly how I'd describe Chicago.

My ol' friend likes it, but then he gets to work by 5:30 every morning to avoid traffic.

[Saul Good]

Hey, there's facts and then there's Saul Good facts.

My facts are completely accurate. If you want to pretend that the contract extension gets added to the old contract, be my guest.

[Braincase]

My facts are completely accurate. If you want to pretend that the contract extension gets added to the old contract, be my guest.

Actually I was referring to the real broad brush you were painting with regarding KU losing to MU in ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING... and then I proved you wrong.

Facts are facts. I eat crow when I get 'em wrong. You just get snide.

[Bambi]

My facts are completely accurate. If you want to pretend that the contract extension gets added to the old contract, be my guest.

BC, Saul is right. I got a bit confused by the unwieldingly high numbers we were discussing when it came to KU athletics.

He posted and article with not date that stated a $65 million media deal between KU and Host Communications.

I posted an article showing an $86 million deal with IMG.

Instead of a contract extension on the end of the $65 million it was to replace the $65 million.

Point is it throttles KU spending and earnings into levels needed to win championships, which has always been the goal.

[Pants]

Your logic is retarded. I live in a suburb of Missouri that happens to be west of state line road. I wanted to live in a suburb of KC, and I do.

How is my logic retarded? Are there no suburbs in Missouri? Do you not choose to live in Kansas?

[Mr. Plow]

Small wonder the SEC found us so appealing, then...

I shouldn't have, but I laughed.

[Mr. Plow]

Also....I love when these arguments devolve into "my city/state is better than yours". Next up...."the block I live on in city/state is better than the block you live on in city/state"

[eazyb81]

Actually I was referring to the real broad brush you were painting with regarding KU losing to MU in ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING... and then I proved you wrong.

Facts are facts. I eat crow when I get 'em wrong. You just get snide.

Do you know what hyperbole is?

No one actually thought ku literally lost to Mizzou at every single sport ever. But thanks for doing the crack work on that case, detective.

[Saul Good]

Mizzou goes 3-0 against Texas on the way out the door. To make things even better, the last game was in the Longhorns' barn where they covered up the Big XII logo with a Texas logo, so the floor read Texas XII.

Maybe we can play them in the conference tournament and beat them again. I'd say we should make it 5-0 in the postseason tournament, but that would mean we would have to play in the NIT.

By the time we leave, we will have the longest streak of getting both an NCAA tournament bid and a bowl game invite in the conference.

[Saul Good]

Mizzou goes 3-0 against Texas on the way out the door. To make things even better, the last game was in the Longhorns' barn where they covered up the Big XII logo with a Texas logo, so the floor read Texas XII.

Maybe we can play them in the conference tournament and beat them again. I'd say we should make it 5-0 in the postseason tournament, but that would mean we would have to play in the NIT.

By the time we leave, we will have the longest streak of getting both an NCAA tournament bid and a bowl game invite in the conference.

[mnchiefsguy]

Mizzou goes 3-0 against Texas on the way out the door. To make things even better, the last game was in the Longhorns' barn where they covered up the Big XII logo with a Texas logo, so the floor read Texas XII.

Maybe we can play them in the conference tournament and beat them again. I'd say we should make it 5-0 in the postseason tournament, but that would mean we would have to play in the NIT.

By the time we leave, we will have the longest streak of getting both an NCAA tournament bid and a bowl game invite in the conference.

I totally missed that. Guess we now know for sure how Texas feels about the conference. Glad we won't be in the "Texas 12" next year.

[Bambi]

Mizzou goes 3-0 against Texas on the way out the door. To make things even better, the last game was in the Longhorns' barn where they covered up the Big XII logo with a Texas logo, so the floor read Texas XII.

Maybe we can play them in the conference tournament and beat them again. I'd say we should make it 5-0 in the postseason tournament, but that would mean we would have to play in the NIT.

By the time we leave, we will have the longest streak of getting both an NCAA tournament bid and a bowl game invite in the conference.

The Texas court always has that.

Had nothing to do with Missouri being there.

Kinda like MU putting their logo over the SEC logo in their complex.

[mnchiefsguy]

The Texas court always has that.

Had nothing to do with Missouri being there.

Kinda like MU putting their logo over the SEC logo in their complex.

Enjoy bending over in the Texas 12.

[Saul Good]

The Texas court always has that.

Had nothing to do with Missouri being there.

Kinda like MU putting their logo over the SEC logo in their complex.

Didn't say it had anything to do with Mizzou being there. I just enjoyed the symbolism of Texas putting their logo over the conference logo while Mizzou got the last word.

It would be like if Bevo spilled yogurt over your mascot's beak, the mascot lapped it up, and regurgitated it into Baby Jay's mouth for sustenance.

[Bambi]

Enjoy bending over in the Texas 12.

The KU trophy case is full.

You might want to reconsider your "bending over" stance.

[Bowser]

The KU trophy case is full.

You might want to reconsider your "bending over" stance.

Now it's full of Bevo ween, amirite?

[Titty Meat]

The KU trophy case is full.

You might want to reconsider your "bending over" stance.

They give out trophies for going winless in conference play?

[talastan]

KU doesn't count football as a sport... ;)

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They give out trophies for going winless in conference play?

They got a participation trophy and one for winning the Toilet Bowl, but it still makes him proud.

[kchero]

Didn't say it had anything to do with Mizzou being there. I just enjoyed the symbolism of Texas putting their logo over the conference logo while Mizzou got the last word.

It would be like if Bevo spilled yogurt over your mascot's beak, the mascot lapped it up, and regurgitated it into Baby Jay's mouth for sustinance.

LMAOLMAO

[Bambi]

They give out trophies for going winless in conference play?

Can't beat em?

Run

[Pitt Gorilla]

Can't beat em?

RunI wondered what your justification would be for KU refusing to play MU in the future. At least you're honest.

[mnchiefsguy]

Can't beat em?

Run

ku is the one running when they refuse to play Mizzou. And Mizzou leaves the Big 12 by beating Texas in football and sweeping them in basketball, so you can't say we are running from the Longhorns.

[Titty Meat]

Can't beat em?

Run

So that's why KU won't be playing Mizzou at Arrowhead this year?

[Bambi]

lol, KU has never left.

We're right here.

[Bambi]

ku is the one running when they refuse to play Mizzou. And Mizzou leaves the Big 12 by beating Texas in football and sweeping them in basketball, so you can't say we are running from the Longhorns.

That was for Nebraska. They can't beat Texas in anything.

MU can beat Texas. We've seen it this year.

[Titty Meat]

Except Nebraska beat Texas 2 out of the last 3 times in the half sport.


It's cool to see penis envy KU has towards other schools who are wanted by better confrence.

[Saul Good]

Double posts are everywhere. Time for a third one.

[Bambi]

Except Nebraska beat Texas 2 out of the last 3 times in the half sport.


It's cool to see penis envy KU has towards other schools who are wanted by better confrence.

KU has benefited financially and in athletic accomplishment while competing in the Big 12.

All the teams who have left do not share this experience.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't understand Kansas' position on the whole thing.

Now that the Big 12 is far superior to the Big 10 in football I'm not sure where you are getting "better" from...

[Pants]

It's cool to see penis envy KU has towards other schools who are wanted by better confrence.

Why is it cool?

[Titty Meat]

KU has benefited financially and in athletic accomplishment while competing in the Big 12.

All the teams who have left do not share this experience.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't understand Kansas' position on the whole thing.

Now that the Big 12 is far superior to the Big 10 in football I'm not sure where you are getting "better" from...

Too bad these financial accomplishments haven't led to better football recruiting eh?

Does KU football add a trophy in the case everytime they get a 2 star recruit? This could explain why there isn't much room.

[Titty Meat]

Why is it cool?

Because the butthurt from you & Wickedson is entertaining.

[Pants]

Because the butthurt from you & Wickedson is entertaining.

Quote my butthurt please.

[Mr. Plow]

ku is the one running when they refuse to play Mizzou. And Mizzou leaves the Big 12 by beating Texas in football and sweeping them in basketball, so you can't say we are running from the Longhorns.


LMAO

[Mr. Plow]

Because the butthurt from you & Wickedson is entertaining.


I'm sure you already know this, but you are obnoxious.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Mizzou goes 3-0 against Texas on the way out the door. To make things even better, the last game was in the Longhorns' barn where they covered up the Big XII logo with a Texas logo, so the floor read Texas XII.

Maybe we can play them in the conference tournament and beat them again. I'd say we should make it 5-0 in the postseason tournament, but that would mean we would have to play in the NIT.

By the time we leave, we will have the longest streak of getting both an NCAA tournament bid and a bowl game invite in the conference.

Several schools use a similar logo on the field or court. It has nothing to do with UT or MU.

[Pants]

Several schools use a similar logo on the field or court. It has nothing to do with UT or MU.

I don't know if you're aware, but Saul Good likes to dramatize things quite a bit.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I don't know if you're aware, but Saul like to dramatize things quite a bit.

it's not only Saul. That issue was brought up several times during football season by various people.

[Bambi]

Too bad these financial accomplishments haven't led to better football recruiting eh?

Does KU football add a trophy in the case everytime they get a 2 star recruit? This could explain why there isn't much room.

Football recruiting smack? LMAO

Here's the NFL All Rookie team for 2011. I see one Nebraska player and one Kansas player. Maybe try again?

Here's the all-rookie squad: OFFENSE: QB: Cam Newton, Panthers. RB: DeMarco Murray, Cowboys; Roy Helu, Redskins. WR: A.J. Green, Bengals; Julio Jones, Falcons. TE: Kyle Rudolph, Vikings. C: Mike Pouncey, Dolphins. G: Stefen Wisniewski, Raiders; Danny Watkins, Eagles. OT: Tyron Smith, Cowboys Nate Solder, Patriots. DEFENSE: DE: J.J. Watt, Texans; Jabaal Sheard, Browns. DT: Marcell Dareus, Bills; Phil Taylor, Browns. LB: Aldon Smith, 49ers; Von Miller, Broncos; Ryan Kerrigan, Redskins. CB: Patrick Peterson, Cardinals; Richard Sherman, Seahawks; S: Chris Conte, Bears; Chris Harris, Broncos. SPECIALISTS: K: Dan Bailey, Cowboys. P: Matt Bosher, Falcons. PR: Patrick Peterson, Cardinals. KR: Randall Cobb, Packers. ST: Akeem Dent, Falcons.

[Saul Good]

it's not only Saul. That issue was brought up several times during football season by various people.

I'm not saying it's a big deal or unique to Texas. I just enjoy the symbolism.

[big nasty kcnut]

this thread not dead It's will riase from the grave.

[HemiEd]

South Carolina just lost their QB and their Heisman-candidate RB for the season. They are done.

My apologies, I guess this was just for last year.

SEC East:

Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Missouri would be the 7th team, and we might be better than any team in that division right now.

[WhawhaWhat]

Let's fire it up again!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Houston Chronicle exclusive: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference <a href="https://t.co/tw2Qm3yeoj">https://t.co/tw2Qm3yeoj</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonChron?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@houstonchron</a></p>&mdash; Brent Zwerneman (@BrentZwerneman) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrentZwerneman/status/1417931953198731264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Dante84]

Well, that would put SEC at 16.

Big 10 has 14 - Iowa State & Notre Dame make sense from a football perspective, but ND likes to be independent, right? So maybe K-State? Although I believe K-State & KU are handcuffed…

[FloridaMan88]

Chokelahoma seriously wants to join the SEC after consistently getting destroyed by SEC teams* in bowl games?

*SEC teams that don't have 75% of their roster opt-out prior to the bowl game.

[Mizzou_8541]

Lol. Hysterical.

[RustShack]

Apparently Oklahoma shut it down, Texas didn’t. The last few years it’s seemed like if a conference were to implode it would be the PAC. PAC and Big12 merger if these happen? You’d think the B1G and ACC would also look to get to 16 teams quickly.

[Discuss Thrower]

The PAC isn't touching Baylor unless they turn into a "religious" school akin to Harvard. Can't imagine they want to be associated with K-State, Okie State and on..

[Hoover]

Well, that would put SEC at 16.

Big 10 has 14 - Iowa State & Notre Dame make sense from a football perspective, but ND likes to be independent, right? So maybe K-State? Although I believe K-State & KU are handcuffed…

Fuck Iowa State


ND makes sense, but I'd rather take Oklahoma State or Baylor than Iowa State.

[FloridaMan88]

Apparently Oklahoma shut it down, Texas didn’t. The last few years it’s seemed like if a conference were to implode it would be the PAC. PAC and Big12 merger if these happen? You’d think the B1G and ACC would also look to get to 16 teams quickly.

The Big 12 should have tried to raid the Pac 12 when they had the chance last year.

The Pac 12 was down, the Big 12 wasn't dealing with new realignment defection rumors, etc.

[ChiefsCountry]

Mizzou's new division:
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

The new SEC East division:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

[Bowser]

Why do the high profile Big XII schools just not care for the Big XII?

[Sassy Squatch]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E62Rxl4VIAEWL2O?format=png&name=900x900

[Hoover]

Why do the high profile Big XII schools just not care for the Big XII?
I think its because while they can through their weight around in the BIG 12, when it comes to dealing with or replacing the NCAA they fear that they won't have a seat at the table when it comes to figuring out what's next.

[BigRedChief]

Mizzou's new division:
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

The new SEC East division:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
VanderbiltI don't know shit about SEC football but its a religion down here. Cant help but hear all the talk. They still bitch about the weak Missouri team being added to the "other" side.

No ****ing way in 100 years does that alignment take place.

Alabama. Auburn. Florida and Georgia will never agree to be in the same conference and the other conference be the "weak" conference.

[sedated]

Well, that would put SEC at 16.

Big 10 has 14 - Iowa State & Notre Dame make sense from a football perspective

Wouldn't Iowa try their hardest to keep Iowa State out?

[RustShack]

Wouldn't Iowa try their hardest to keep Iowa State out?

Shit at this point with all of the racism coming to light in the Iowa program, and Iowa State just being the better football team in the state currently they might be willing to just switch them out.

[Sassy Squatch]

Oklahoma fans seem to think this is a kick in the nuts to FOX to get what they want.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

kindly fuck off

[Bearcat]

Now that we know how this works, I guess Kansas' next move is to join the ACC and ride the coattails of conference pride in basketball instead of, you know, caring nearly so much about being good.

:bolt:

[Pablo]

I once created a very important art piece on the place of Mizzou athletics in the SEC:

https://i.imgur.com/s2Qt0NU.png

[RustShack]

Maybe time for Missouri and Nebraska to get the band back together and go back to the Big 12.

Hell aTm and Arkansas might be willing as well if Texas is going there.

[Hoover]

Shit at this point with all of the racism coming to light in the Iowa program, and Iowa State just being the better football team in the state currently they might be willing to just switch them out.
LOL

And Iowa State, who will finish 9-3 or 8-4, will suck again the second Matt Campbell leaves.

[Boiled Chicken]

Interesting that UT effectively killed the Big 12 over their insistence on the Longhorn network and now courting a conference that shares revenues via its network.

[KChiefs1]

Let's fire it up again!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Houston Chronicle exclusive: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference <a href="https://t.co/tw2Qm3yeoj">https://t.co/tw2Qm3yeoj</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonChron?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@houstonchron</a></p>— Brent Zwerneman (@BrentZwerneman) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrentZwerneman/status/1417931953198731264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Isn’t the SEC elite enough. https://media4.giphy.com/media/l4Ki9A1PvIDZjG43S/giphy.gif

[RustShack]

LOL

And Iowa State, who will finish 9-3 or 8-4, will suck again the second Matt Campbell leaves.

Who turned town 68 million from the lions and has already turned down Tennessee two separate occasions among several other offers. I’m not worried about him leaving anytime soon. He’s turned down several pay raises electing to pay his staff more instead, and doesn’t even have an agent. He’s not in it for the money. He’s in it to do something.

[Mecca]

If those schools leave, the Big 12 is a dead stick.

[sedated]

Who turned town 68 million from the lions and has already turned down Tennessee two separate occasions among several other offers. I’m not worried about him leaving anytime soon. He’s turned down several pay raises electing to pay his staff more instead, and doesn’t even have an agent. He’s not in it for the money. He’s in it to do something.

I admire your confidence, but betting this post doesn't age well in a year or 2

[Pitt Gorilla]

Why do the high profile Big XII schools just not care for the Big XII?

It's a really weak conference. That's it.

[WhawhaWhat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Texas A&amp;M and Missouri would be a hard no. Only 2 more needed to block an invitation to Texas, OU.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1417969714878468101?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TambaBerry]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Texas A&amp;M and Missouri would be a hard no. Only 2 more needed to block an invitation to Texas, OU.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1417969714878468101?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bunch of pussy schools lol

[RustShack]

Bunch of pussy schools lol

I’m assuming Arkansas’s would also say no. Otherwise the door for aTm, Mizzou, Arkansas, and Nebraska is open to return to the Big12.

If those two teams leave the Big12 I see a mass change to the new P4. That or those said teams leave and SEC and so on don’t go to 16 leaving a P5.

I still think it’s fluff for the Big12 media contracts to up the money for Oklahoma and Texas to stay.

[Mecca]

Texas A&M has every reason to say no, it helps them to not be lumped with Texas.

[duncan_idaho]

I’m assuming Arkansas’s would also say no. Otherwise the door for aTm, Mizzou, Arkansas, and Nebraska is open to return to the Big12.

If those two teams leave the Big12 I see a mass change to the new P4. That or those said teams leave and SEC and so on don’t go to 16 leaving a P5.

I still think it’s fluff for the Big12 media contracts to up the money for Oklahoma and Texas to stay.

Missouri is never returning. Neither is Texas A&M. Just isn't happening.

I also hear some things that make me think the assumption Missouri would say "no" is a faulty one.

[Discuss Thrower]

It's definitely not in Missouri's interest to be in the SEC + Texas and Oklahoma.

[WhawhaWhat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas &amp; OU contacted SEC about leaving Big 12 &amp; SEC has interest in both schools, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>. “This will take some time but there is interest on both sides,” source said. UT planning to notify Big 12 it doesn’t want to extend grant of rights <a href="https://t.co/1dYm5pp2xG">https://t.co/1dYm5pp2xG</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1418018415156023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Plow]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told Texas A&amp;M and Missouri would be a hard no. Only 2 more needed to block an invitation to Texas, OU.</p>&mdash; Kirk Bohls (@kbohls) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1417969714878468101?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Of course those two pussy schools don't want them in. Lol

[ChiefsCountry]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas &amp; OU contacted SEC about leaving Big 12 &amp; SEC has interest in both schools, sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>. “This will take some time but there is interest on both sides,” source said. UT planning to notify Big 12 it doesn’t want to extend grant of rights <a href="https://t.co/1dYm5pp2xG">https://t.co/1dYm5pp2xG</a></p>&mdash; Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1418018415156023298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Brett McMurphy reporting means it legit has wings. Actually the A&M reporter out of Houston is really creditable as well.

[Mizzou_8541]

This is awesome. OU and Texas want to get out of a shit conference and all non-Mizzou fans want to do is talk about Mizzou. Talk about obsession. The definition of living rent free. You love to see it.

[TambaBerry]

This is awesome. OU and Texas want to get out of a shit conference and all non-Mizzou fans want to do is talk about Mizzou. Talk about obsession. The definition of living rent free. You love to see it.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh

[Kiimo]

MU's program will never be relevant again

[Mizzou_8541]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh

Rent. Free.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

ku football to the MAC?

Wouldn't hurt the hoop team either with the lack of competition in the now apparent former Big Bevo

[TribalElder]

If Okie and Texas bounce wtf will the big whatever do

are there enough schools to add?

WV is a bit awkward already, it's way the fuck out east

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If Okie and Texas bounce wtf will the big whatever do

are there enough schools to add?

WV is a bit awkward already, it's way the fuck out east

Time to put the piece of shit conference out to pasture

[TambaBerry]

If Okie and Texas bounce wtf will the big whatever do

are there enough schools to add?

WV is a bit awkward already, it's way the fuck out east

If this happens the only chance of KU staying in a power 5 would be the Big ten and with the way our football team has been I'm not sure anyone would want us.

[Kiimo]

lol KU going to a mid major is a MU fantasy porn, it always was and always will be.

[duncan_idaho]

If Okie and Texas bounce wtf will the big whatever do

are there enough schools to add?

WV is a bit awkward already, it's way the **** out east

I would guess...

kansas to the B1G as it adds 2 more (not sure who the next one would be... would guess B1G targets UNC again, also Virginia).

Everyone else? Probably kinda effed and end up in a leftovers conferences with the ACC remnants.

[Kiimo]

K-State and Iowa State are the ones who are screwed


Man UT will always be all about UT but Oklahoma can fuck themselves

[FloridaMan88]

It seems unclear why the SEC, specifically the individual schools would want to add Texas and OU.

They just signed a new 10 year media deal that goes into effect in 2024.

Texas and OU don’t add any significant new TV markets or recruiting areas to the conference.

From an on-field football perspective it’s just going to add to the degree of difficulty in navigating an already tough conference schedule.

[duncan_idaho]

K-State and Iowa State are the ones who are screwed


Man UT will always be all about UT but Oklahoma can **** themselves

And Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and West Virgina and TCU and Baylor.

[ChiefsCountry]

Big 12 won't die off. It's still got brand name and NCAA credits out the ass. It will reload with the AAC schools.

[tredadda]

I wonder how much more money UT and OU would stand to make in the SEC. Can't really see any other reason to jump ship. In the BIG 12 they are the big dogs and can call the shots. They won't have that in the SEC.

[Kiimo]

Oklahoma has been in the Big 8 or whatever it was called back then since 1919.



I hope they get their shit pushed in by Alabama every year from here to eternity.

[duncan_idaho]

Big 12 won't die off. It's still got brand name and NCAA credits out the ass. It will reload with the AAC schools.

Sure.

West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State

+...

Cincinnati?
Houston?
BYU?

That's still a decidedly second-tier conference in hoops and football.

The ACC might lose a school or 2 to the B1G (because if the SEC goes to a 16-team super conference, leaving kansas' prestigious basketball program available, it makes sense for the B1G to gobble that up and find and expansionary partner, which likely ends up being North Carolina or Virginia or someone in the ACC northern footprint).

If the ACC is left in that spot, it then might be willing to open its doors to the Big 12 left-behinds, though there aren't any great cultural fits there.

[ChiefsCountry]

Sure.

West Virginia
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State

+...

Cincinnati?
Houston?
BYU?

That's still a decidedly second-tier conference in hoops and football.

The ACC might lose a school or 2 to the B1G (because if the SEC goes to a 16-team super conference, leaving kansas' prestigious basketball program available, it makes sense for the B1G to gobble that up and find and expansionary partner, which likely ends up being North Carolina or Virginia or someone in the ACC northern footprint).

If the ACC is left in that spot, it then might be willing to open its doors to the Big 12 left-behinds, though there aren't any great cultural fits there.

That's still the best non power league at that point. Those conferences just don't die. Their status does, but they don't. MVC is the original Big 8. Southern Conference is the original SEC and ACC. Hell the WAC couldn't even die.

[FloridaMan88]

Big 12 won't die off. It's still got brand name

The Southwest Conference probably thought the same thing, before a Texas-led exodus killed it off.

[Jerm]

Some really interesting stuff on this over at PM….

I think it’s 100% happening and Mizzou will vote yes, A&M will be the only no.

[Discuss Thrower]

I don't think the SEC cares about potentially making their conference schedule harder even if it means not expanding their TV market share and recruiting footprint.

[ChiefsHawk]

Shit at this point with all of the racism coming to light in the Iowa program, and Iowa State just being the better football team in the state currently they might be willing to just switch them out.

Voted for the dumbest post of the day...

[Prison Bitch]

Some really interesting stuff on this over at PM….

I think it’s 100% happening and Mizzou will vote yes, A&M will be the only no.

Didn’t they always cry about wanting to get away from Texas?

[Dante84]

Am I high or last time this was blowing up, KU and K-State were handcuffed together due to the board of regents or something?

If so, I could see Big 10 being the best case scenario. Decent basketball matchups for KU, Decent football matchups for K-State.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't think the SEC cares about potentially making their conference schedule harder even if it means not expanding their TV market share and recruiting footprint.

This is all about Bowl money for the conference, especially now that the NCAA is considering expanding the playoffs.

The SEC could routinely dominate the Top 8 rankings and the bowl/playoff money to the conference would be insane.

[tk13]

I thought Mizzou was smart to get out when they did, just because if Texas leaves the conference collapses. Tough spot to be in. I could see them voting for Texas and OU though just because it makes the conference stronger and there's no way they call the shots in the SEC.

Not sure what happens to the other Big 12 teams though. Iowa State could make some sense in the Big Ten athletically. KU basketball would be an amazing get too, but their football team is just brutal. Yeah Rutgers exists but they were a regular bowl team when they joined the Big Ten. KU would add zero value if football playoffs are the driving factor in a realignment. But teams would have to go somewhere.

Either way it'd be bad for KC. Instead of hosting a conference tourney every year they might be fighting for scraps from another conference. Unless the remaining teams just stick it out and try to add some AAC teams or something.

[ChiefsHawk]

I thought Mizzou was smart to get out when they did, just because if Texas leaves the conference collapses. Tough spot to be in. I could see them voting for Texas and OU though just because it makes the conference stronger and there's no way they call the shots in the SEC.

Not sure what happens to the other Big 12 teams though. Iowa State could make some sense in the Big Ten athletically. KU basketball would be an amazing get too, but their football team is just brutal. Yeah Rutgers exists but they were a regular bowl team when they joined the Big Ten. KU would add zero value if football playoffs are the driving factor in a realignment. But teams would have to go somewhere.

Either way it'd be bad for KC. Instead of hosting a conference tourney every year they might be fighting for scraps from another conference. Unless the remaining teams just stick it out and try to add some AAC teams or something.

I don't see the BIG going after ISU simply because they bring nothing money wise and they won't sustain their football success. They do have a good history for basketball and are in the AAU but this is football and TV driven.

[lawrenceRaider]

Oklahoma has been in the Big 8 or whatever it was called back then since 1919.



I hope they get their shit pushed in by Alabama every year from here to eternity.

Texas and Oklahoma will both loose status in the SEC. They won't be able to compete with the top tier SEC teams and be left scrambling for scraps.

See what's happened to Mizzou in the SEC. Just an afterthought now.

Hope the money is worth it.

[displacedinMN]

F Texas

[Lzen]

Interesting that UT effectively killed the Big 12 over their insistence on the Longhorn network and now courting a conference that shares revenues via its network.

As I recall, that's one of many reasons why everyone hates Texas. And why some teams left the Big 12.

[Lzen]

I admire your confidence, but betting this post doesn't age well in a year or 2

I was just thinking that. He's kinda naive if he truly believes what he just typed. Perhaps he didn't go to the Lions because he wants to wait for an actually decent job.

[Sassy Squatch]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E651yM2WYAcwI5W?format=jpg&name=900x900

[ChiefsCountry]

See what's happened to Mizzou in the SEC. Just an afterthought now.

Same winning percentage conference wise as they had in the Big 12 with the same number of conference championship game appearances. Program is the same just in more a secure conference.

[Great Expectations]

Texas and Oklahoma will both loose status in the SEC. They won't be able to compete with the top tier SEC teams and be left scrambling for scraps.

See what's happened to Mizzou in the SEC. Just an afterthought now.

Hope the money is worth it.

It seems like Mizzou has competed just as well in the SEC as it did in the B12. I don’t remember any Missouri B12 Championships. They made 2 championship games in each conference, and it actually took them less years to do so in the SEC.

[POND_OF_RED]

Am I high or last time this was blowing up, KU and K-State were handcuffed together due to the board of regents or something?

If so, I could see Big 10 being the best case scenario. Decent basketball matchups for KU, Decent football matchups for K-State.

But what does the Big 10 get out of that deal? They aren’t going to want to bring in a team that averages high school level attendances for football games.

[lawrenceRaider]

It seems like Mizzou has competed just as well in the SEC as it did in the B12. I don’t remember any Missouri B12 Championships. They made 2 championship games in each conference, and it actually took them less years to do so in the SEC.

How's that worked out in recent years though? Mizzou is now a bottom feeder in football in the SEC and a total joke in basketball. They were at least competitive most years in the B12.

[POND_OF_RED]

How's that worked out in recent years though? Mizzou is now a bottom feeder in football in the SEC and a total joke in basketball. They were at least competitive most years in the B12.

It was eye-opening realizing how far behind the competitive level was in the Big 12 and how little it prepared us for a tough week in-week out real conference, but I think Drink is making the right steps to becoming very relevant again. He will likely end up with a top 20 recruiting class this year and hopefully put us one step closer to competing at an SEC level. It beats the alternative to clinging to a dying conference, just because we were closer to the top with the weaker competition. As far as the basketball goes, I think you can see from the re-alignment talks and KU being left out of most of those discussions just how important college basketball programs are to these decisions. No one really gives a shit.

[FloridaMan88]

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They should switch Texas A&M and Arkansas so that A&M and Texas are in the same pod.

[FloridaMan88]

This is all about Bowl money for the conference, especially now that the NCAA is considering expanding the playoffs.

The SEC could routinely dominate the Top 8 rankings and the bowl/playoff money to the conference would be insane.

They probably could have done that without needing to add two more teams and further divide up the $3 billion media contract they just signed and bowl/CFP money.

Just from a market expansion/potential new recruiting territory perspective, they should have looked east and added UNC and Virginia Tech or Virginia.

That adds new TV markets including Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, Washington, D.C. and its Virginia suburbs and also increases their recruiting footprint in North Carolina and Virginia.

[ntexascardfan]

They probably could have done that without needing to add two more teams and further divide up the $3 billion media contract they just signed and bowl/CFP money.

Just from a market expansion/potential new recruiting territory perspective, they should have looked east and added UNC and Virginia Tech or Virginia.

That adds new TV markets including Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, Washington, D.C. and its Virginia suburbs and also increases their recruiting footprint in North Carolina and Virginia.

It isn't just about media markets, it's about the quality of the team and value of the brands you bring in. I'd imagine this entire conversation is being driven by ESPN.

[FloridaMan88]

It isn't just about media markets, it's about the quality of the team and value of the brands you bring in. I'd imagine this entire conversation is being driven by ESPN.

They just signed a new 10 year contract with ESPN worth $3 billion that goes into effect in 2024.

[Titty Meat]

Hopefully this means KU to the B1G miss the easy drive to Lawrence to see the Huskers play

[lawrenceRaider]

It was eye-opening realizing how far behind the competitive level was in the Big 12 and how little it prepared us for a tough week in-week out real conference, but I think Drink is making the right steps to becoming very relevant again. He will likely end up with a top 20 recruiting class this year and hopefully put us one step closer to competing at an SEC level. It beats the alternative to clinging to a dying conference, just because we were closer to the top with the weaker competition. As far as the basketball goes, I think you can see from the re-alignment talks and KU being left out of most of those discussions just how important college basketball programs are to these decisions. No one really gives a shit.

Right. That is why last time this came up the Pac12 and B1G came calling asking KU to join up.

MU made a mistake leaving the B12 as did Nebraska and Colorado. None have faired better in their new conferences. Hope the Texas envy was worth it.

[KChiefs1]

It seems unclear why the SEC, specifically the individual schools would want to add Texas and OU.

They just signed a new 10 year media deal that goes into effect in 2024.

Texas and OU don’t add any significant new TV markets or recruiting areas to the conference.

From an on-field football perspective it’s just going to add to the degree of difficulty in navigating an already tough conference schedule.


They’d only be adding Oklahoma to the footprint. I’d rather have North Carolina or Virginia.

[Kellerfox]

And Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and West Virgina and TCU and Baylor.

IF UT + OU leave and IF the PAC decides to add schools, Texas Tech has a seat at that table. Tech has a strong history and partnership with the two AZ schools (shared a conference for decades) as well as CU (hours up the road and Big12 history). Geographically, that cluster of 4 would be easy travel. Tech has forged pretty strong relations with other PAC leaders over the last few rounds of re-alignment conversation. Tech has been deliberately scheduling non-con games with PAC teams. Tech also adds quite a bit of value in track, baseball, and basketball… all areas that the PAC wants to shore up. Tech isn’t big enough or strong enough to force realignment like OU and UT… but with a drastic shift in the landscape I think they have a life raft out of the Remnants of the Big12.

So, if the PAC does expand and we assume Tech is in… that leaves 1-3 spots depending on if they go to 14 or 16. There aren’t a lot of great candidates. BU, TCU, and BYU are hard no’s due to religious affiliation (non starter for the PAC).

Maybe they pull from Houston, Colorado State, San Diego State, Boise State, or UNLV…

But some combo OSU, KU, KSU, and ISU just feels better if I’m the PAC despite the geographic distance. That assumes that those schools are available. Certainly understand the BIG being a lot more appealing to KU/ISU/KSU if the offer is there.

[KChiefs1]

It isn't just about media markets, it's about the quality of the team and value of the brands you bring in. I'd imagine this entire conversation is being driven by ESPN.


It’s all about eyes added.

[Kellerfox]

They’d only be adding Oklahoma to the footprint. I’d rather have North Carolina or Virginia.

Only Oklahoma adds to the SEC network footprint, however UT would triple or quadruple SEC programming viewership in the second largest (and fastest growing) state in the US while also converting it to firmly an SEC state.

A&M is first place in Houston, but is still second/third to the Big12 in the DFW and SA-AUS metros. Add UT and the SEC dominates all major Texas metros. The population and viewership add that Texas brings would likely exceed the reach in NC or VA.

[Sassy Squatch]

Assuming the B1G getting KU and ISU would be the next shoe to drop if this ultimately ends up happening. After that not too sure.

[TribalElder]

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Mizzou being punished ROFL

[Hoover]

Assuming the B1G getting KU and ISU would be the next shoe to drop if this ultimately ends up happening. After that not too sure.

If I'm the BIG 10 I'm not sure that Iowa State really excites me all that much.

If the Big 10 expands I think it would look at schools like Colorado and someone else, maybe Kansas, but not sure about that.

[POND_OF_RED]

Right. That is why last time this came up the Pac12 and B1G came calling asking KU to join up.

MU made a mistake leaving the B12 as did Nebraska and Colorado. None have faired better in their new conferences. Hope the Texas envy was worth it.

Did they really, though? All I remember was Kansas fans being upset that Texas Tech was being looked at over them by the PAC 12. A lot of KU fans speculated that’s where they could end up, but make no mistake, those conferences never actually showed as much interest in adding Kansas as KU fans would like to think. Their value is even lower now that it’s obvious the expansion is based on the CFP expansion. Good luck in the MVC or Big East. Maybe if you get lucky the ACC will throw you a bone.

[Dante84]

But what does the Big 10 get out of that deal? They aren’t going to want to bring in a team that averages high school level attendances for football games.

A free conference win isn’t sooo bad

[Sassy Squatch]

Right. That is why last time this came up the Pac12 and B1G came calling asking KU to join up.

MU made a mistake leaving the B12 as did Nebraska and Colorado. None have faired better in their new conferences. Hope the Texas envy was worth it.

Uhh. No, they didn't, judging by what's happening now.

[lawrenceRaider]

Uhh. No, they didn't, judging by what's happening now.

This wouldn't be happening now if they had stayed.

Also, it will be a massive mistake for Texas especially to head to the SEC. They can't really compete in the B12.

[POND_OF_RED]

If Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC it’s going to create a comedic free-for-all save yourself landscape for the rest of the teams.
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[Sassy Squatch]

This wouldn't be happening now if they had stayed.

Also, it will be a massive mistake for Texas especially to head to the SEC. They can't really compete in the B12.
Disagree. Texas's constant flirtations with the PAC 10/12 back in the early 2010s is what led to this. After that why wouldn't the other schools GTFO and head for greener pastures.

[htismaqe]

Quality of the on-field product is just one facet of the whole picture.

Nebraska is in WAY better shape now than when they were in the B12. Way better.

[htismaqe]

This wouldn't be happening now if they had stayed.

Also, it will be a massive mistake for Texas especially to head to the SEC. They can't really compete in the B12.

It would be a massive mistake for Texas to leave the Big 12, period. They essentially run the conference right now. They'd have to actually share and collaborate if they joined another conference.

The teams that left left for good reason. The Big 12 is not a conference, it's a pyramid scheme.

[Hoover]

Quality of the on-field product is just one facet of the whole picture.

Nebraska is in WAY better shape now than when they were in the B12. Way better.

Exactly.

Yeah they might not be as competitive in the BIG 10 but at least that conference is solid as a rock. I think we are headed to 3 or 4 large conferences, no more power 5, and in doing so they are going to govern themselves as a league. NCAA is nothing more than a playoff bracket and tournament organizer.

Not to make this political, but the driver in this is just as much COVID than it is TV contracts.

[tredadda]

Not going to be a popular thing to say but I see no reason for the Big 10 to bring in KU. Not really adding much in regards to audience, basketball won't be a driving force as evidenced with the teams in the Big East, and KU is probably going to be saddled with KState.

[Sassy Squatch]

Not going to be a popular thing to say but I see no reason for the Big 10 to bring in KU. Not really adding much in regards to audience, basketball won't be a driving force as evidenced with the teams in the Big East, and KU is probably going to be saddled with KState.
AAU School as well. That along with the Basketball program would probably be enough to make them the most desirable. Assuming this leads to an arms race to 16 teams in each conference, of course.

[duncan_idaho]

This wouldn't be happening now if they had stayed.

Also, it will be a massive mistake for Texas especially to head to the SEC. They can't really compete in the B12.

What is happening now is the reason Missouri left when it did.

Texas was never going to commit to anything other than Texas. Missouri saw an opportunity to secure its own destiny/place, and took it.

Because this was always going to come around again. At some point, UT would decide it could get a better deal for itself elsewhere. And rather than risk getting stuck fighting desperately for a few spot in a new B1G or new ACC or new PAC.

The whole realignment scenario exposed just how fragile the Big 12 was. For the same reasons that led the Big 8 to expand in the 90s.

KU will be fine. Oklahoma and Texas will be fine. It's all the other schools that will be left scrambling. I feel for them and their fans.