****The Clyde Edwards-Helaire Thread*****

[tredadda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are officially declining the fifth-year option for the 2024 season for RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, a source tells Chiefs Digest.<br><br>Clyde remains under contract with the Chiefs for 2023, and on Monday GM Brett Veach said CEH is in tremendous shape. <a href="https://t.co/hkMibKnsAB">https://t.co/hkMibKnsAB</a></p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1653445179494236183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It worked for the Raiders and Jacobs. Hope for similar results here for him.

[htismaqe]

Funny. You expect consistent logic from fans?

Methinks expecting logic at all from a group of people that are "fanatics" by definition is a fool's errand. :D

[htismaqe]

True, but considering KC was in the SB there was a 50/50 shot they were going to win which means there was going to be a parade afterwards. Would have been a little bit wiser to have the SB and the week after open on your calendar, just in case. Would be different if this was scheduled in week 5 or something.

Again, he was on IR. He wasn't traveling with the team. Sure, he could have kept his schedule open but why? So he could make a token appearance as a guy that literally contributed nothing to a Super Bowl run and appease the fans?

[Warpaint69]

It worked for the Raiders and Jacobs. Hope for similar results here for him.

He's average at best, so no

[morphius]

It worked for the Raiders and Jacobs. Hope for similar results here for him.
I honestly felt like the longer CEH has been here the worse he has looked, and I wondered how much of that had to do with our RB coach. Though we have appeared to replace an ex WR with another ex WR to coach RB's.

I don't even think his roster spot is guarantied at this point, and being active on game day is even less likely, but if a new coach can change a player...

[tredadda]

Again, he was on IR. He wasn't traveling with the team. Sure, he could have kept his schedule open but why? So he could make a token appearance as a guy that literally contributed nothing to a Super Bowl run and appease the fans?

Yes. Because he was a member of this team. It would have been his first and possibly only SB parade and while he had nothing to do with the SB win, he was a key player when healthy earlier in the season.

I don't hate CEH like others (although I don't want him taking a spot from someone else anymore), but I bet he is at the ring ceremony and takes his ring despite contributing nothing to a SB run. And he should as he was part of the team and I think he should have celebrated with his teammates and the fans.

[Wilson8]

It does NOT make sense to cut Clyde Edwards-Helaire or give him away.

It would cost the Chiefs $2,577,503 in dead money to cut.

KC does not have an overflowing RB room where we have too much talent.

Since the Chiefs did not draft a running back, it would appear like KC plans to keep him for one more year with a cap charge of $3,443,229. To trade CEH, the Chiefs could save $2,085,670 and have $1,357,559 of dead money. Again, trading him for value might be OK but just throwing him away, like some want to do, does not make sense.

Clyde will be playing for his football life in 2023 so I think we will see his best effort.

Clyde's best season was in 2020 with 13 games, 181 carries, 803 yards, 4 TDs, 36 Rec, 297 yards, 1 TD. With Isiah Pacheco starting we won't see that kind of production, but we could still see a decent back to add with Isiah and Jerick.

[Womble]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are officially declining the fifth-year option for the 2024 season for RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, a source tells Chiefs Digest.<br><br>Clyde remains under contract with the Chiefs for 2023, and on Monday GM Brett Veach said CEH is in tremendous shape. <a href="https://t.co/hkMibKnsAB">https://t.co/hkMibKnsAB</a></p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1653445179494236183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can we also decline this turd's 4th year option too?

[Womble]

The people bitching about him going to New York just aren't thinking it through.

They want to complain that he didn't fulfill his contractual obligation to the Chiefs by missing the parade. They ignore the fact that he signed a CONTRACT for the show in New York. Contracts are contracts. You can't honor one and not the other and not be a ****ing hypocrite.


Christ you're a moron. You make it sound like the fashion show couldn't go on without some broke dick JAG NFL player showing up to it. People don't show up to places they're contractually obligated to all the time. It makes far more sense for the company for Clyde to turn up to the parade wearing the shitty clothes he's promoting than attend some show no one knows or cares about.

[Wilson8]

Brett Veach on Clyde Edwards-Helaire-

“We’re excited though for Clyde this season. He was actually the first guy I saw in the building today, in tremendous shape."

“He’s a good football player. He’s going to help us out here, again, with these guys we have a list of things to do with a bunch of these guys and now that the draft is officially ended in the next coming weeks now’s the time we go through all that stuff and start making our plans for the future. But needless to say, we’re excited to have him back in the building today and look forward to hopefully a healthy 2023 campaign for him.”

[jd1020]

Brett Veach on Clyde Edwards-Helaire-

“We’re excited though for Clyde this season. He was actually the first guy I saw in the building today, in tremendous shape."

“He’s a good football player. He’s going to help us out here, again, with these guys we have a list of things to do with a bunch of these guys and now that the draft is officially ended in the next coming weeks now’s the time we go through all that stuff and start making our plans for the future. But needless to say, we’re excited to have him back in the building today and look forward to hopefully a healthy 2023 campaign for him.”

Coach's speak, bro.

There's no possible way they see anything in their former 1st round selection that would get them excited about a healthy season.

[htismaqe]

Yes. Because he was a member of this team. It would have been his first and possibly only SB parade and while he had nothing to do with the SB win, he was a key player when healthy earlier in the season.

I don't hate CEH like others (although I don't want him taking a spot from someone else anymore), but I bet he is at the ring ceremony and takes his ring despite contributing nothing to a SB run. And he should as he was part of the team and I think he should have celebrated with his teammates and the fans.

To celebrate with the team and fans, he would have had to break an existing contract.

So you want him to honor one but not the other? Surely you can see the flaw in that thinking.

[htismaqe]

Christ you're a moron. You make it sound like the fashion show couldn't go on without some broke dick JAG NFL player showing up to it. People don't show up to places they're contractually obligated to all the time. It makes far more sense for the company for Clyde to turn up to the parade wearing the shitty clothes he's promoting than attend some show no one knows or cares about.

ROFL

No need to think, just emote. I feel, I feel!

[Wilson8]

Christ you're a moron.

Methinks expecting logic at all from a group of people that are "fanatics" by definition is a fool's errand. :D

I think htismaqe anticipated Womble just 6 posts ahead.

[htismaqe]

Coach's speak, bro.

There's no possible way they see anything in their former 1st round selection that would get them excited about a healthy season.

Dude, I never said they think he's a bum. Far from it, in fact.

I'm sure they're wanting him to contribute but since they declined his 5th-year option that they're much more concerned with him just keeping a roster spot at this point.

[tredadda]

To celebrate with the team and fans, he would have had to break an existing contract.

So you want him to honor one but not the other? Surely you can see the flaw in that thinking.

Not at all. I am just saying that the better choice would have been to not put himself in that position in the first place. I get that he was on the IR, and had KC not been playing in the SB, then him making that fashion show would have made sense. Now scheduling it when KC has at worst a 50% chance of winning and knowing a parade would follow speaks poorly for him. Sure he didn't play, but there were others on the roster who didn't either and yet they were probably at the parade. This whole thing is a bad look for CEH and screams pettiness.

[jd1020]

Not at all. I am just saying that the better choice would have been to not put himself in that position in the first place. I get that he was on the IR, and had KC not been playing in the SB, then him making that fashion show would have made sense. Now scheduling it when KC has at worst a 50% chance of winning and knowing a parade would follow speaks poorly for him. Sure he didn't play, but there were others on the roster who didn't either and yet they were probably at the parade. This whole thing is a bad look for CEH and screams pettiness.

Do they schedule fashion shows on a 2 weeks notice?

[tredadda]

Do they schedule fashion shows on a 2 weeks notice?

Don't know. Regardless though to contractually obligate oneself to it knowing the schedule (as SB Sunday would have been before the season started) and the possibility of playing in and winning the SB is poor thinking.

[jd1020]

Don't know. Regardless though to contractually obligate oneself to it knowing the schedule (as SB Sunday would have been before the season started) and the possibility of playing in and winning the SB is poor thinking.

So regardless of when he committed to actually participating in a fashion show, he should have taken into account the possibility that in the future the Chiefs could possibly win the SB and the parade could possibly be scheduled for the very day he was obligated to appear?

Grow the fuck up.

No one inside the organization seems to give a flying fuck about him missing the parade.

[tredadda]

So regardless of when he committed to actually participating in a fashion show, he should have taken into account the possibility that in the future the Chiefs could possibly win the SB and the parade could possibly be scheduled for the very day he was obligated to appear?

Grow the fuck up.

No one inside the organization seems to give a flying fuck about him missing the parade.

Yes.

Grow up how? I lost and continue to lose no sleep over his appearance or not. I was commenting to someone else about what the wiser decision was. Amazing how many players had their calendars open for that parade except CEH.

Also glad you have the inside scoop on how the organization felt about it. Please share more of your in depth coverage over the inner workings of the front office.

[jd1020]

Also glad you have the inside scoop on how the organization felt about it. Please share more of your in depth coverage over the inner workings of the front office.

Well there hasn't been a single comment from anyone about him not being there, either for or against. You can take it for what you want, but to me that means no one really gives a shit. The only people who do are Karens on the internet.

[Wilson8]

Coach's speak, bro.

There's no possible way they see anything in their former 1st round selection that would get them excited about a healthy season.

It could be. If the Chiefs plan to trade CEH, Brett certainly wants to paint the best picture of him.

I think Chiefs will use training camp and preseason to see what they have at RB.

As they are right now though, I think he will be on the Chiefs next season.

I understand people being disappointed in Clyde, but it does no good to throw him away.

[htismaqe]

Well there hasn't been a single comment from anyone about him not being there, either for or against. You can take it for what you want, but to me that means no one really gives a shit. The only people who do are Karens on the internet.

Exactly. All the team has said publicly is that they're ready to get him back and participate in camp. They don't give a shit about where he was during the Super Bowl parade.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Clyde is nice depth to have, certainly not worthy of his draft status but that's really not his fault. As the #3 back he's just fine. We have a crew that can all contribute and I'm sure we'll need him at some point this season.

[Mr. Wizard]

Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB Via Spotrac

salary dead cap cap hit
$1,985,670 ($2,577,502) $3,443,228

crazy :banghead:

[Womble]

Clyde is nice depth to have, certainly not worthy of his draft status but that's really not his fault. As the #3 back he's just fine. We have a crew that can all contribute and I'm sure we'll need him at some point this season.

When you say depth are you referring to his height?

[Womble]

ROFL

No need to think, just emote. I feel, I feel!

No need to think, just emote. I feel, I feel!

https://i.postimg.cc/wj17Qkrz/Screenshot-20230502-202501.png

[JPH83]

Dunno how much his injuries derailed him but he ended up being an awful pick. Feel bad for him but he was abject last year, glad we're not picking up his 5th.

[jettio]

Khalen Saunders was the Terez Paylor "contract year is undefeated" Chiefs player of the year in 2022.

Love to see Clyde be the 2023 guy and drive folks crazy.

[Easy 6]

Much as I've soured on the guy, if he's in top shape and motivated to rehab his reputation for another team next year... we could do worse than to have him in the rotation again

No learning curve with the system, surprisingly good around the goal line etc

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

So Veach says Clyde came back in tremendous shape, Clyde see's that he lost the starting job. Clyde didn't get his 5th year extension.

If he's worth a shit he's going to be ultra motivated to perform.

[TrebMaxx]

I don't hate the guy but I think a change of scenery would be good for both CEH and the Chiefs. This is the season for him to promote himself which would be good for both parties in that respect.

[Stryker]

The turd that would not flush! CEH - damn, we could have had Johnathan Taylor :cuss: BUT, Mahomes wanted him so... I forgive! :wayne:

[Shoes]

The turd that would not flush! CEH - damn, we could have had Johnathan Taylor :cuss: BUT, Mahomes wanted him so... I forgive! :wayne:

Ubeja and Jonathan Taylor suck forever.

[htismaqe]

The turd that would not flush! CEH - damn, we could have had Johnathan Taylor :cuss: BUT, Mahomes wanted him so... I forgive! :wayne:

Johnathan Taylor had a ton of carries in college. The worry with him was whether or not he could continue to stay healthy with that kind of workload.

Not surprising at all that he missed 6 games in 2022 and still isn't fully healthy for they offseason program.

[The Franchise]

Johnathan Taylor had a ton of carries in college. The worry with him was whether or not he could continue to stay healthy with that kind of workload.

Not surprising at all that he missed 6 games in 2022 and still isn't fully healthy for they offseason program.

He also fumbled 18 times in 41 games in college.

[htismaqe]

He also fumbled 18 times in 41 games in college.

Over the last two years, he's fumbled 6 times in 28 games.

[BWillie]

No need to think, just emote. I feel, I feel!

https://i.postimg.cc/wj17Qkrz/Screenshot-20230502-202501.png

Guy needs to go fuck himself. Pouted his ass off by skipping the parade and also selfish. Dead to me.

[Rainbarrel]

This could be a great PR move. The wingnuts will be up in arms over the furs. Clyde is cut and the Indian slander claims are put on the back burner

[RunKC]

Fuck you Clyde

https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818

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[HC_Chief]

**** you Clyde

https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818

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Holy shit, that cutback lane...

[BleedingRed]

Fuck you Clyde

https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818

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Oh wow CEH having no fucking vision..... WHO COULD SEE THAT COMING

[Sassy Squatch]

Fuck you Clyde

https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818

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LMAO

[BleedingRed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr">... <a href="https://t.co/U0Y5ZNyV1r">pic.twitter.com/U0Y5ZNyV1r</a></p>&mdash; Taylor Kyles (@tkyles39) <a href="https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Womble]

I'd like to apologise to my fellow Chiefs fans for praising CEH last night by saying he had an average game. I have erred and strayed from thy ways like lost sheep. Never again will I even contemplate that he's anything but dogshit. Fuck off Clyde.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr">... <a href="https://t.co/U0Y5ZNyV1r">pic.twitter.com/U0Y5ZNyV1r</a></p>&mdash; Taylor Kyles (@tkyles39) <a href="https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why God? Why?

[AdolfOliverBush]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr">... <a href="https://t.co/U0Y5ZNyV1r">pic.twitter.com/U0Y5ZNyV1r</a></p>&mdash; Taylor Kyles (@tkyles39) <a href="https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Holy shit, that might be the worst run I've ever seen. That includes fumbles and the RB tripping over his own feet. He actually looks at that gaping, prolapsed hole of a cutback lane and decides to ignore it.

[Skyy God]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr">... <a href="https://t.co/U0Y5ZNyV1r">pic.twitter.com/U0Y5ZNyV1r</a></p>&mdash; Taylor Kyles (@tkyles39) <a href="https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That fucking cutback lane.

Christ, what a terrible RB.

[-King-]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr">... <a href="https://t.co/U0Y5ZNyV1r">pic.twitter.com/U0Y5ZNyV1r</a></p>&mdash; Taylor Kyles (@tkyles39) <a href="https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1700156280151617818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO That's just hilarious.

[Easy 6]

Dude has NO instincts or vision, keeping him around is Veach's worst decision of the year

[siberian khatru]

FWIW ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been harsh on CEH but I will defend him here. By the time he turns his shoulders north that LB and safety are on him asap. They&#39;d be unblocked. The IOL gets push and I understand why he followed them. <a href="https://t.co/osO6R99LpB">https://t.co/osO6R99LpB</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1700166672848421145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GeorgeZimZam]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-theme="dark" data-dnt="true" align="center"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good morning <a href="https://t.co/jzqgWxSUNc">pic.twitter.com/jzqgWxSUNc</a></p>&mdash; George Chahrouri (@PFF_George) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_George/status/1700134611387605244?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[RockChalk]

I mean the cutback is huge, but that zone running play from a shotgun formation doesn't allow for him to make much of a cutback. At least not an efficient one. The play forces him to be running so laterally that by the time he makes the cutback, the LB and S would negate much of the hole. CEH isn't exactly a burner, so it's not like he could have outrun them.

I hate CEH as much as anyone else, but this play doesn't get me all that riled up.

[Abba-Dabba]

FWIW ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been harsh on CEH but I will defend him here. By the time he turns his shoulders north that LB and safety are on him asap. They&#39;d be unblocked. The IOL gets push and I understand why he followed them. <a href="https://t.co/osO6R99LpB">https://t.co/osO6R99LpB</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1700166672848421145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


The cutback was broke. He did what he was supposed to there and follow his blockers to have them flush the DL and LB's out. You even see him peek the between Thuney and Creed but choose to let the OL try to do their thing and went between Creed and Trey.

And fuck any Patriots beat reporter, that includes Taylor Kyles.

[AdolfOliverBush]

FWIW ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been harsh on CEH but I will defend him here. By the time he turns his shoulders north that LB and safety are on him asap. They&#39;d be unblocked. The IOL gets push and I understand why he followed them. <a href="https://t.co/osO6R99LpB">https://t.co/osO6R99LpB</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1700166672848421145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That hole was so damn big that MEH should've instinctively hit it. His #1 trait coming out of LSU was his ability to "make a guy miss him in a phone booth".

[Womble]

FWIW ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been harsh on CEH but I will defend him here. By the time he turns his shoulders north that LB and safety are on him asap. They&#39;d be unblocked. The IOL gets push and I understand why he followed them. <a href="https://t.co/osO6R99LpB">https://t.co/osO6R99LpB</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1700166672848421145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The key words in this shitty tweet that CEH apologists are missing is "by the time". It's an appalling play.

[RunKC]

They had to play Clyde bc Pacheco got injured again coming off rust and McKinnon needs to used on passing downs bc he's old.

It was a mistake putting Clyde ont he roster over Perine. This is reminding me of player loyalty from the King Carl era.

Fuck your pride Veach. It's time for a change

[-King-]

FWIW ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been harsh on CEH but I will defend him here. By the time he turns his shoulders north that LB and safety are on him asap. They&#39;d be unblocked. The IOL gets push and I understand why he followed them. <a href="https://t.co/osO6R99LpB">https://t.co/osO6R99LpB</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1700166672848421145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jamaal Charles saw cutback lanes that were a fraction that size. If it takes you so long to turn your shoulders and recognize the hole that a 1 on 1 opportunity scares you, you're not an NFL back.

[-King-]

The key words in this shitty tweet that CEH apologists are missing is "by the time". It's an appalling play.

Exactly. All that highlights is his lack of vision And his lack of explosiveness if he ever does see a hole open up.

[ThaVirus]

FWIW ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been harsh on CEH but I will defend him here. By the time he turns his shoulders north that LB and safety are on him asap. They&#39;d be unblocked. The IOL gets push and I understand why he followed them. <a href="https://t.co/osO6R99LpB">https://t.co/osO6R99LpB</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1700166672848421145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not going to defend CEH because he sucks and a good RB hits that cutback for a few more yards than what he ended up getting, but CJGJ is a great tackler. The chances of CEH getting more than a couple yards out of that with him there were slim.

EDIT: Looks like Anzalone was unblocked waiting on the cutback as well.

[New World Order]

Clyde is the worst RB I've ever seen. I'm not even kidding.

He's not fast. He's not big. No big play ability. Not a force in short yardage situations.

Just a real piece of shit.

[ROYC75]

4321CEH

It's that simple!

[Mecca]

Jamaal Charles saw cutback lanes that were a fraction that size. If it takes you so long to turn your shoulders and recognize the hole that a 1 on 1 opportunity scares you, you're not an NFL back.

We seem to have a problem finding RBs that have vision.

[Skyy God]

They had to play Clyde bc Pacheco got injured again coming off rust and McKinnon needs to used on passing downs bc he's old.

It was a mistake putting Clyde ont he roster over Perine. This is reminding me of player loyalty from the King Carl era.

**** your pride Veach. It's time for a change

Need cap space to cut MEH.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Not going to defend CEH because he sucks and a good RB hits that cutback for a few more yards than what he ended up getting, but CJGJ is a great tackler. The chances of CEH getting more than a couple yards out of that with him there were slim.

EDIT: Looks like Anzalone was unblocked waiting on the cutback as well.

Remember when making guys miss was allegedly MEH's greatest strength?

[HC_Chief]

Remember when making guys miss was allegedly MEH's greatest strength?

No.
Maybe some sportswriter said it about him in college, but sportswriters say a lot of stupid shit. MEH ain't shifty... or fast... or powerful... but he makes up for it by having zero vision.

[KCUnited]

I'd hate to bother CEH with a request for him to, you know, make a guy miss or, heaven forbid, break a tackle

[jettio]

The best thing about CEH getting touches is that it helps shake out the opinion of those who know not shit about tackle football as it is played in the National Football League.

Like the dopes who said Pacheco should get 20 carries a game last year. Like injuries are not a possibility for a RB in today's NFL.

[BleedingRed]

Anyone saying he shouldn't have taken the cut back are reeruned. The cut back is a easy 4 yard before CONTACT

[AdolfOliverBush]

No.
Maybe some sportswriter said it about him in college, but sportswriters say a lot of stupid shit. MEH ain't shifty... or fast... or powerful... but he makes up for it by having zero vision.

I meant during the draft process. It was stated over and over (and over) that MEH was super elusive, especially in small areas. He looked the part in college, but it sure as fuck didn't translate to the NFL.

[BigRedChief]

Why in the hell does Reid waste 2 plays on him to start the game? He doesnt do shit. Ruins our opening drive and sets the initial tone? What has he ever dont to warrant that trust?

[jettio]

Anyone saying he shouldn't have taken the cut back are reeruned. The cut back is a easy 4 yard before CONTACT

The problem with your analysis of that is that the Lions LB and Lions safety CJGJ get good grades on that play from their coaches for holding their ground to cover any cutbacks.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Why in the hell does Reid waste 2 plays on him to start the game? He doesnt do shit. Ruins our opening drive and sets the initial tone? What has he ever dont to warrant that trust?

Agreed, KC should come out throwing haymakers, not pawing jabs. The Chiefs should be Mike Tyson, not Floyd Mayweather.

[HC_Chief]

I meant during the draft process. It was stated over and over (and over) that MEH was super elusive, especially in small areas. He looked the part in college, but it sure as **** didn't translate to the NFL.

"...he's better than Westbrook"
Per James Palmer, that's what Reid told Veach. :spock:

ooooof

[MahomesMagic]

"...he's better than Westbrook"
Per James Palmer, that's what Reid told Veach. :spock:

ooooof

I liked CEH coming out but I had him behind Swift, Taylor, and Dobbs.

I knew he didn't have the physical attributes of a 1st rounder but expected him to be what we see with the Lions David Montgomery.

He's way worse than I thought he would be.

[CatfishBob2]

Anyone saying he shouldn't have taken the cut back are reeruned. The cut back is a easy 4 yard before CONTACT

No it's not there's 2 maybe even three defenders waiting for it.....follow your blockers and you have a chance to break something even bigger.

Mckinnon and Perine look like the better pure runners on this team. There has to be a reason they're buried on this depth chart

[siberian khatru]

Clyde is the worst RB I've ever seen. I'm not even kidding.

He's not fast. He's not big. No big play ability. Not a force in short yardage situations.

Just a real piece of shit.


Trent Richardson

[myselff77]

CEH has about 10 more weeks of fulfilling his role of taking hits so Pacheco isn't totally banged up for the stretch run and playoffs. Each time CEH runs straight into a D lineman, that's 3 less hits Pacheco would have accumulated running through people.

This is CEH's only value at this point.

[New World Order]

Trent Richardson

Touche

[Womble]

Timely reminder that this guy no showed at the Super Bowl parade because he went to a New York fashion week event.

[Eleazar]

"...he's better than Westbrook"
Per James Palmer, that's what Reid told Veach. :spock:

ooooof

He's more like a worse version of Aaron Jones to me.

He was overdrafted and fits as a rotational guy rather than a lead back.

[FloridaMan88]

It’s unfathomable that the Chiefs arrived at the start of another season with MEHHHHH still on the roster.

I’d take Kareem Hunt over him at this point.

[kcpasco]

Andy is extremely loyal, we need to accept that as Chiefs fans even if frustrating. The man has brought us 2 Lombardi trophies. It’s also why players love him.

[Skyy God]

I meant during the draft process. It was stated over and over (and over) that MEH was super elusive, especially in small areas. He looked the part in college, but it sure as **** didn't translate to the NFL.

That Saints dirty hit sapped his explosiveness.

He seems like he knows he’s done in the NFL after this year.

[ModSocks]

Andy is extremely loyal, we need to accept that as Chiefs fans even if frustrating. The man has brought us 2 Lombardi trophies.

He ain't THAT loyal. He'll bench some motherfuckers if he has to.

Though i don't expect him to do that after 1 week.

[Pepe Silvia]

That Saints dirty hit sapped his explosiveness.

He seems like he knows he’s done in the NFL after this year.

They screwed his hip up pretty bad. This is the reason Denver hired Payton.

[Hammock Parties]

I do not understand why McKinnon doesn't get Clyde's touches.

[Womble]

Can we just never play this piece of shit ever again?

[Wisconsin_Chief]

I actually hate CEH. I know I shouldn’t, it’s not his fault he sucks and Andy keeps playing him, but I despise him. I can’t wait for him to be gone.

[Womble]

I actually hate CEH. I know I shouldn’t, it’s not his fault he sucks and Andy keeps playing him, but I despise him. I can’t wait for him to be gone.

I kind of feel that way but I also remember how he snubbed the victory parade to go to a fashion show because he was pissed that he wasn't in the Super Bowl 53 man squad. He's a piece of shit and I hate that he makes millions for being a waste of space.

[Valiant]

I feel bad for him. I am not sure what happened to him for him to not use his speed anymore but unless the line opens a lane a planeteer can get 4 yards on. CEH is getting stopped.

[smithandrew051]

Even when he has a nice run, a different running back would’ve gotten more.

10 yards for CEH would’ve been 20 for Pacheco.

He just has zero burst.

[ThaVirus]

I don’t want to see this guy on the field unless it’s mop up duty in a 20 point blowout

[Pitt Gorilla]

I don’t want to see this guy on the field unless it’s mop up duty in a 20 point blowout

Honestly, we need to upgrade him AND McKinnon.

[suzzer99]

We need CEH for garbage time so McKinnon and Pacheco don't get beat up. But that's it.

[BWillie]

Dont let CEH touch the ball.

[Womble]

Honestly, we need to upgrade him AND McKinnon.

McKinnon is fine for a 3rd option. There are only a handful of RBs in the NFL that are playmakers without the ball in their hands. His blocking ability is ridiculous.

[Chief Pagan]

I do not understand why McKinnon doesn't get Clyde's touches.

Because they want him to be available for the post season?

[Womble]

Why is it that every week we must suffer watching this parade ducking, wannabe fashionista, midget piece of shit ruining our drives?

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Utter dog shit. Does not belong on an NFL roster.

[DJ's left nut]

Still sucks.

Really the only reason this thread ever gets bumped these days.

He's hot garbage.

[Danguardace]

Please just cut him already

[ThaVirus]

I know we can’t run Pop or Jet into the ground, but if we’re gonna waste 3-5 carries a game, may as well do it with a back who has some chance of taking one further than 2 yards.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Please just cut him alreadyDeneric Prince could have matched CEH's production so far.

I think Bernie and his two puppeteers could match CEH's production this year.

[RealSNR]

I got told earlier in the offseason “he’s fine for a 3rd RB.”

I’m really not so sure about that one

[Pitt Gorilla]

I know we can’t run Pop or Jet into the ground, but if we’re gonna waste 3-5 carries a game, may as well do it with a back who has some chance of taking one further than 2 yards.

Jet kinda sucks as a RB as well. I'd love someone like Perine, Prince, or BOTH to take roster spots.

[-King-]

I know we can’t run Pop or Jet into the ground, but if we’re gonna waste 3-5 carries a game, may as well do it with a back who has some chance of taking one further than 2 yards.

Kinda would like to see Toney lined up at RB on some plays.

[FloridaMan88]

I got told earlier in the offseason “he’s fine for a 3rd RB.”

I’m really not so sure about that one

And with McKinnon being used as a load managed third down back who is barely getting any rushing attempts, MEHHH is essentially RB2 when it comes to RB rushing attempts.

The Chiefs need an upgrade.

[Mosbonian]

Count me as one who thinks we should bury him on the Practice Squad and let someone take him off our hands.

Let Perine or Prince play...

[Pitt Gorilla]

Wonder if EB would send us a 7th for him.

[carcosa]

He must be SO nice

[BryanBusby]

I got told earlier in the offseason “he’s fine for a 3rd RB.”

I’m really not so sure about that one

He's fucking cooked.

[smithandrew051]

This guy is so fucking slow

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I just don't get it. Unless Pacheco is more injured than we realize and we really need someone to take those reps, this guy shouldn't make it on the field. He's awful.

[Hammock Parties]

"Drive killer" is being bandied about on twitter a lot.

Bring up one of the kids.

[PHOG]

I honestly believe Perine could do better unless it may be the pass pro.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

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Look at his first game. He looks like a completely different player. I swear that Saints injury ruined him.

[Womble]

"Drive killer" is being bandied about on twitter a lot.

Bring up one of the kids.

I think I might be a bit sad when he goes just because I love cussing him out in the game day threads. Calling CEH a piece of shit after every 1 yard gain has become my routine and part of the matchday experience.

https://i.postimg.cc/YqDQxWfV/Screenshot-20231009-030135.png

I hate him but I'll be sad to see it end. Even though I fucking hate him.

[TwistedChief]

I think I might be a bit sad when he goes just because I love cussing him out in the game day threads. Calling CEH a piece of shit after every 1 yard gain has become my routine and part of the matchday experience.

https://i.postimg.cc/YqDQxWfV/Screenshot-20231009-030135.png

I hate him but I'll be sad to see it end. Even though I fucking hate him.

I dislike Clyde. I think he is more of a problem in this offense than any of our WRs. But when you become the social media guy who is emblematic of criticism, maybe it's time to take it down a notch. And realize that the real villain now is the guy who is playing him.

[Womble]

I dislike Clyde. I think he is more of a problem in this offense than any of our WRs. But when you become the social media guy who is emblematic of criticism, maybe it's time to take it down a notch. And realize that the real villain now is the guy who is playing him.

I agree with your post. I'm generally quite a measured guy and know it's not his fault that he's getting more carries than he deserves (which is zero).

[headsnap]

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Look at his first game. He looks like a completely different player. I swear that Saints injury ruined him.

strange that it affected his vision...

[TLO]

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Look at his first game. He looks like a completely different player. I swear that Saints injury ruined him.

He never really had a lot of "burst" to begin with, but now he has none at all. He's 2 yards and a cloud of dust.

I'd rather see someone from the practice squad get his carries. As long as they can hold onto the ball.

[Molitoth]

Clyde seems like a great dude off the field, I just don't want to watch him play football anymore.

Same opinion I had of Alex Smith.

[Bowser]

Outside of his lack of vision and lack of burst, I can't really find a reason to dislike him.

[KCUnited]

People were stoked when he turned a 2 yard loss into a 2 yard gain with the push of a lineman

So a 4 yard gain

That’s where we’re at with him

[RealSNR]

I honestly believe Perine could do better unless it may be the pass pro.
We've only ever had Clyde on the field on 1st and 2nd down. He does his 1-yard blind run straight into the defenders on 1st down and then he's basically done.

We don't need that particular RB in that role to block.

[BigRedChief]

Every time he touches the ball, I get pissed.

[RealSNR]

Also, no, I don't think Prince is the answer, either.

From what I saw, he's the one person more blind than CEH when it comes to vision.

[St. Patty's Fire]

he’s basically a mid season punching bag rn

dude just exists to keep pacheco and jet fresh

[Chief Pagan]

Clyde seems like a great dude off the field, I just don't want to watch him play football anymore for the donks.

Same opinion I had of Alex Smith.

.

[BigBeauford]

he’s basically a mid season punching bag rn

dude just exists to keep pacheco and jet fresh

Might as well stick to passing to give Pacheco a break.

[irafreak]

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Look at his first game. He looks like a completely different player. I swear that Saints injury ruined him.

Yep. I was actually upset when he got hurt. Thought it was a big hit to our offense heading into the post season. He looked good until then.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

He stared off very well for sure.

[BWillie]

Cut this guy like yesterday. Nobody would even give us a 7th round pick for this shitstain. Would at least see what Perine can do. CEH is the laughing stock of RBs.

[JPH83]

He's awful and we have to find a way to get him out. The whole sunk cost thing is infuriating. Every snap he gets we just realise more what a terrible pick he was. Take the L here and put Perine in.

[Pepe Silvia]

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Look at his first game. He looks like a completely different player. I swear that Saints injury ruined him.

It really did, they f***** up his hip bad.

[crispystl]

Still sucks.

Really the only reason this thread ever gets bumped these days.

He's hot garbage.

The amount of early downs we waste on 1-2 yard runs for Clyde is mind-bottling. I just don't understand it. It completely kills the flow and the efficiency of the offense. Andy knows what he's doing obviously, but man I just don't get it.

[crispystl]

Deneric Prince could have matched CEH's production so far.

I think Bernie and his two puppeteers could match CEH's production this year.

Should've cut Clyde and kept Perine.

[crispystl]

It really did, they f***** up his hip bad.

Yeah wow, he doesn't cut like that anymore and he's about 1.5 steps slower as well.

[scho63]

Hard to disagree with any of yesterday's posts. I have no personal animosity towards CEH but he should no longer be carrying the ball for the Chiefs.

The Chiefs should make him a fullback for the remainder of the season.

[Pepe Silvia]

Yeah wow, he doesn't cut like that anymore and he's about 1.5 steps slower as well.

That’s why Sean Payton deserves to lose every game from here on out.

[Sofa King]

I'm ok with Clyde getting these early season reps. Beat him up to save McKinnon for the playoff run.

[Dunerdr]

The Saints injury changed his body. It's unfortunate. And I half convinced Reid and Veach are just letting him rack up those vet years and money.

[Simply Red]

He must be SO nice

I know write!!!

[Rainbarrel]

Ice and fire?

[farmerchief]

It really did, they f***** up his hip bad.
Yep, lost all that quickness, especially in his cuts, too bad. Now hes JAG,

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

He had 9 snaps yesterday... My God people, he's a good pass blocker and he's taking early season snaps from Pacheco, who at the end of the game yesterday, looked a little banged up.

[BleedingRed]

He had 9 snaps yesterday... My God people, he's a good pass blocker and he's taking early season snaps from Pacheco, who at the end of the game yesterday, looked a little banged up.

bro he curses drives

[Hammock Parties]

PFR's defines a successful run as one that gets 40% of the yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on third and fourth down. Among the 50 RBs with at least 25 carries this season, only two have a lower success rate than Clyde.

[FloridaMan88]

He had 9 snaps yesterday... My God people, he's a good pass blocker and he's taking early season snaps from Pacheco, who at the end of the game yesterday, looked a little banged up.

Three first down runs… 2 yards, 1 yard, 1 yard.

Automatic second and long.

[Gary Cooper]

He had 9 snaps yesterday... My God people, he's a good pass blocker and he's taking early season snaps from Pacheco, who at the end of the game yesterday, looked a little banged up.
I think his pass blocking and the fact that he hasn't fumbled in two years (knock on wood) is why Reid trusts him more than most understand.

[Womble]

PFR's defines a successful run as one that gets 40% of the yards needed on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on third and fourth down. Among the 50 RBs with at least 25 carries this season, only two have a lower success rate than Clyde.

Are the other 2 names Edwards and Helaire?

[BWillie]

We drafted this piece of shit?

[crispystl]

The Saints injury changed his body. It's unfortunate. And I half convinced Reid and Veach are just letting him rack up those vet years and money.

What did he injure again? Was it his hip?

[MahomesMagic]

RBs have short careers. While he was overdrafted here, he doesn’t look like same guy from college.

[Warpaint69]

RBs have short careers. While he was overdrafted here, he doesn’t look like same guy from college.

What burst he had is gone from injuries. Go back and watch highlights of his first game, entirely different player.

[nychief]

What burst he had is gone from injuries. Go back and watch highlights of his first game, entirely different player.

Since that hip injury his rookie year. Zapped all athleticism. Why you don't draft RBs early.

[Gary Cooper]

What did he injure again? Was it his hip?
His spirit.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

What burst he had is gone from injuries. Go back and watch highlights of his first game, entirely different player.

Yeah, we’re hard on him here but you’re absolutely correct. Remember that game against the Bills where he just dominated? I honestly thought we had our workhorse after that one.

The injury did ruin him, it’s a really a shame.

[Chiefspants]

Since that hip injury his rookie year. Zapped all athleticism. Why you don't draft RBs early.

Sean Payton special.

[FringeNC]

We need to pass every down that he's in there. So what if the opponent knows it. I'm fine with him eating downs in the passing game -- he's a decent blocker, can run routes, and move the chains if you need a few yards.

...but when Mahomes hands off to the guy, he's no faster than a tight end. Complete wasted down.

[Sassy Squatch]

What the fuck did this guy do over the Bye? He's always been a bit compact but he looked like fucking Mike Tolbert last night, and was somehow more effective than he has been in a long time.

[notorious]

What the **** did this guy do over the Bye? He's always been a bit compact but he looked like ****ing Mike Tolbert last night, and was somehow more effective than he has been in a long time.

Dressed for winter....in Siberia.

[RunKC]

God this guy sucks so bad. What the fuck is he doing?

A. Why are you trying to block a DT who is clearly bigger than you and already being blocked by our OL
B. Why do you ignore the blitzing DB?

I miss McKinnon.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Macdonald had the Chiefs’ balls in a vice most of the game. Someone would be very smart to hire him. The more I learn the details of how he’s streamlined the Baltimore system, the more convinced I am that he’ll help on both sides of the ball as head coach. He gets it. <a href="https://t.co/5VZaKtbczW">pic.twitter.com/5VZaKtbczW</a></p>&mdash; Honest NFL (@TheHonestNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/1752690283806855502?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

God this guy sucks so bad. What the fuck is he doing?

A. Why are you trying to block a DT who is clearly bigger than you and already being blocked by our OL
B. Why do you ignore the blitzing DB?

I miss McKinnon.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Macdonald had the Chiefs’ balls in a vice most of the game. Someone would be very smart to hire him. The more I learn the details of how he’s streamlined the Baltimore system, the more convinced I am that he’ll help on both sides of the ball as head coach. He gets it. <a href="https://t.co/5VZaKtbczW">pic.twitter.com/5VZaKtbczW</a></p>&mdash; Honest NFL (@TheHonestNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/1752690283806855502?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah that was a miss. I remember seeing the replay on that one.

Hope he gets a cleaner game in the Super Bowl, because he's gonna be out there.

[TwistedChief]

Mike MacDonald is one of the best coaches in the league at disguising blitzes. He's on the level of Spags.

If it can sometimes confuse Mahomes, it can sometimes confuse the RB in pass protection, no?

[Dunerdr]

Ceh was ceh again against a solid tackling ravens team. Still much more useful than last year.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Mike MacDonald is one of the best coaches in the league at disguising blitzes. He's on the level of Spags.

If it can sometimes confuse Mahomes, it can sometimes confuse the RB in pass protection, no?

CEH missed it, but so did Mahomes and the Receiver or it should have been a hot route. That was just a well disguised blitz. The other one folks are giving him shit on, it looks like Trey made the wrong read, as there is no way CEH is responsible for the DT.

[ModSocks]

God this guy sucks so bad. What the fuck is he doing?



Jeez, get off his freakin' nuts.

[bringbackmarty]

I bet meh gets a tuddy. Reidemption arc.....

[siberian khatru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am sobbing 😭😭<a href="https://twitter.com/WillieGayJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WillieGayJr</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Clydro_22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Clydro_22</a> <a href="https://t.co/YkYnI3p6cS">pic.twitter.com/YkYnI3p6cS</a></p>&mdash; Jenna (@jennaxkc) <a href="https://twitter.com/jennaxkc/status/1756915918859292686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BWillie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am sobbing 😭😭<a href="https://twitter.com/WillieGayJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WillieGayJr</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Clydro_22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Clydro_22</a> <a href="https://t.co/YkYnI3p6cS">pic.twitter.com/YkYnI3p6cS</a></p>&mdash; Jenna (@jennaxkc) <a href="https://twitter.com/jennaxkc/status/1756915918859292686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He didn't dress even last year did he? Hope to see him at the parade. Maybe he will feel like he deserves to be there. Maybe that was why he didn't come last year.