Rasslin is CHA CHA LA..LA,LA,LA,LA,LA

[4th and Long]

Wait, what Cole? A place Randy Orton has never been before? rofl

It's like he doesn't watch his own shows.
Yeah, they do that a lot. Cole is an idiot anyway.

[keg in kc]

I have grown to violently hate that Summerslam promo.

[4th and Long]

I now break away from the planet for a commercial break.

[keg in kc]

It's past time to get Punk out of that Nexus gear.

[keg in kc]

This legit feels like a huge match. Which is saying something on a B ppv.

[keg in kc]

New t-shirt. Yeah, Punk's leaving.

[keg in kc]

Punk totally face. Perfect.

[4th and Long]

This legit feels like a huge match. Which is saying something on a B ppv.

Which brings to light the following burning question:

How will the creative team screw it up this time?
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[keg in kc]

Holy shit, the boos. LMAO

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Awesome. :)

[keg in kc]

rofl at Punk clapping

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO!!! Anyone else see that sign about Punk kicking Cena so hard he would turn into fruity pebbles?

[keg in kc]

Playing up the underdog angle for Cena. Superman must overcome.

[4th and Long]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! ROFL

[keg in kc]

LMAO!!! Anyone else see that sign about Punk kicking Cena so hard he would turn into fruity pebbles?Yeah lmao

[4th and Long]

Playing up the underdog angle for Cena. Superman must overcome.

I sure as hell hope not. :D

[keg in kc]

This has got to be an amazing moment for Punk, whatever happens in the match. Cheered like a fucking hero in his hometown over the new Hogan.

[4th and Long]

Punk Nation sign. ROFL

[keg in kc]

Chain wrestling with Cena. Poor guy.

[4th and Long]

Cena with the reversal and the crowd BOOOOOOOs! LOL

[keg in kc]

Notes from Meltzer:Some notes. The Miz is okay, but Del Rio is messed up, cut up back of his head and ribs hurting. Expect him back out later.

The Cena-Punk segment with everything is scheduled for a 40 minute segment off the air 47-50 past the hour. Everyone backstage glued to the monitors for this one.

[keg in kc]

I can't remember the last time I watched a match where I had no idea wtf they were going to do, or when I was this much into it.

[4th and Long]

Del Rio is messed up, cut up back of his head and ribs hurting. Expect him back out later.
I saw the cut on his ribs and I already expected him out later.

[keg in kc]

rofl i always love the back and forth chants, with little kids shouting lets go cena and then cena sucks booming out in deep voices

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Is it possible...Punk wins the championship...del rio cashes in and beats punk?

[keg in kc]

Is it possible...Punk wins the championship...del rio cashes in and beats punk?I think that's what about 99% of the fans expect to happen.

(Well, at least fans above 5 who don't think Cena's going to win clean)

Which means it's probably not what's happening. Who knows. The only thing that would really work for me is Punk winning, holding off Del Rio and walking out with the title.

[keg in kc]

Ouch, suplex to the floor.

[4th and Long]

Ouch lol

[Al Bundy]

That was a nice move, down to the floor.

[4th and Long]

I'm still waiting for Cabana to do a run in from the front row. :p

[keg in kc]

Cena shadowboxing is the worst.

[keg in kc]

I'm still waiting for Cabana to do a run in from the front row. :pI'm hoping he's part of the finish in some creative way.

[4th and Long]

Double clothes line (aka a breather)

[keg in kc]

About time for Punk's babyface comeback.

(bizarroworld)

[4th and Long]

The fans are getting their moneys worth this time.

[keg in kc]

Punk landed on his ass, I mean his feet. LMAO

[4th and Long]

Thats twice Punk has screwed up the landing on the reversal.

[4th and Long]

Cole is cheering for Cena. ROFL

[keg in kc]

Thats twice Punk has screwed up the landing on the reversal.It might not be Punk. Although he's probably hyper with adrenaline.

[4th and Long]

Cena! STF!

Cole: TAP OUT PUNK!

[keg in kc]

STFU is actually how I expected the match to end in my 'worst possible ending' nightmare, but it's too early.

[4th and Long]

STFU is actually how I expected the match to end in my 'worst possible ending' nightmare, but it's too early.
I expect Punk to be beating the stuffing out of Cena and then Cena throws the boxing equivalent of a haymaker for the win.

[keg in kc]

Great finishing sequence there.

[4th and Long]

STFU is actually how I expected the match to end in my 'worst possible ending' nightmare, but it's too early.

Still too early?

[keg in kc]

That reversal into the anaconda was great.

[4th and Long]

This match will never end. lol

[keg in kc]

Cena looks absolutely blown up. I can't remember the last time I've seen two guys working this hard in a B-show main.

[4th and Long]

Cena from the top rope work almost slightly better than Ric Flair from the top rope.

[dirk digler]

Great match for both men

[4th and Long]

WTF is with Cena doing his Ali impression all night?

[keg in kc]

Cena teasing heel?

[4th and Long]

Cena teasing heel?
I believe I mentioned that earlier and you told me no way.

[dirk digler]

Cena teasing heel?

I think so

[keg in kc]

I believe I mentioned that earlier and you told me no way.I still say no way.

[4th and Long]

Yep. This match will never end.

[keg in kc]

This is running way later than I expected.

I got a bad feeling Cena's about to win.

[4th and Long]

UH OH! MCMAHON!

[keg in kc]

Crap, vince and johnny ace.

[keg in kc]

Montreal finish, are you kidding me.

[4th and Long]

WHOAH!

[keg in kc]

That was perfect. Now what happens.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

beautiful.

[4th and Long]

PUNK WINS!

[4th and Long]

That was perfect. Now what happens.
Beats the shit out of me. lol

[dirk digler]

Give it up to Cena for ending it the right way

[keg in kc]

Leave through the crowd, Punk, don't let del rio cash in, rofl

(yes, i'm marking out)

[4th and Long]

Give it up to Cena for ending it the right way
Yeah ... I'm sure that was all "Cena's idea."

[keg in kc]

Perfect, bring out del rio, and have punk beat him.

[4th and Long]

Del Rio time.

[keg in kc]

OMG, this is perfect.

[4th and Long]

Punk through the crowd (via keg lol)

[keg in kc]

That was great, because Del Rio still has his briefcase.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

So that's it? No Punk on Raw?

[4th and Long]

Leave through the crowd, Punk, don't let del rio cash in, rofl

(yes, i'm marking out)
You're so smart. :p

[4th and Long]

So that's it? No Punk on Raw?
Punk = retired.

[keg in kc]

Okay, I wish Raw started like right now.

And the week of the original Punk promo I was about to quit watching...

[4th and Long]

Okay, I wish Raw started like right now.

And the week of the original Punk promo I was about to quit watching...
Sorry. You have to wait 23 hours. :p

[keg in kc]

I am really intrigued by where they go now. Does he actually take time off?

[Al Bundy]

Well that was a good ending.

[4th and Long]

I am really intrigued by where they go now. Does he actually take time off?
Everything I have read indiciates he is done. Well, ... for now anyway. he claimns to be financially set for the rest of his life.

[Al Bundy]

Everything I have read indiciates he is done. Well, ... for now anyway. he claimns to be financially set for the rest of his life.

If he is, he picked a good time to get out, while he hasn't taken too much punishment. May just be able to still walk when he is 45.

[keg in kc]

Everything I have read indiciates he is done. Well, ... for now anyway.I've heard he was resigned already but being given time off, until the new year, at the latest. He legit wants to wrestle Austin at mania next year.

Which is why I didn't think there was a chance in a million that he'd leave with the built....

Some great legit pub:sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Now that's what I'm talking about! I'm calling DirecTV + telling them to double bill me for that PPV, I feel like I underpaid.

[58kcfan89]

Wow. Just...unreal. For the first time since about 2000, I'm legitimately shocked by what just happened. I LOVE YOU, PUNK!

Can't wait to see where this goes.

[keg in kc]

You know, in the whole Punk leaving through the crowd bit, I'm completely forgetting something else: Vince is supposed to fire Cena.

(the other reason I didn't think Punk would leave with the belt...)

[4th and Long]

I've heard he was resigned already but being given time off, until the new year, at the latest. He legit wants to wrestle Austin at mania next year.

Which is why I didn't think there was a chance in a million that he'd leave with the built....
The WWE will be without a championship belt until Jan? :spock:

No way Austin ever wrestles again. And, if he did, I don't see him rolling over to push Punk.

[58kcfan89]

And as far as Punk taking time off, supposedly Cena wants time off, too and you can't do Raw without one of the two between Cena and Punk. And what else is Punk gunna do? He's a wrestler, not an actor or an MMA fighter. If he's gone, he'll be back by WM 28 at the latest.

Either way, I'm intrigued by where this goes.

[4th and Long]

You know, in the whole Punk leaving through the crowd bit, I'm completely forgetting something else: Vince is supposed to fire Cena.

(the other reason I didn't think Punk would leave with the belt...)
Hmmm ... :hmmm:

Punk and Cena with time off.

Hmmm ... :hmmm:

Do I see the formation of a new stable in the making?

Hmmmmmmmm ... :hmmm:

(yeah, right)

[keg in kc]

The WWE will be without a championship belt until Jan? :spock:And hence why I'm really interested in seeing what happens on Raw tomorrow, and why I'm asking if Punk really is taking him time off now or if they're, for instance, going for the immediate rematch at summerslam.No way Austin ever wrestles again. I don't think so either. But Punk's mentioned it a number of times recently. And, if he did, I don't see him rolling over to push Punk.That I'm not so sure about. Austin is a big fan of Punk (seriously).

And it would be a great natural feud between straight edge and drinker. Question is, who's the heel and who's the face.

[keg in kc]

Hmmm ... :hmmm:

Punk and Cena with time off.

Hmmm ... :hmmm:

Do I see the formation of a new stable in the making?

Hmmmmmmmm ... :hmmm:

(yeah, right)That's been one of the more popular ideas on the sites I follow, that they're going to stable Punk and Cena, but I think it would be terrible....

[TrickyNicky]

I haven't cared about WWE since ONS '05, but damn if tomorrow's Raw isn't must-see.

Also, was the gut-wrench RKO new? It looked really good.

[keg in kc]

This was like Vince losing his mind for a night and booking everything for the internet fanbase. Daniel Bryan, money in the bank winner? Christian, Heavyweight Champion? CM Punk, WWE Champion?

[keg in kc]

I hope to christ tomorrow's raw rating is HUGE. It should be, I've never seen so many bitter longtime fans so excited to watch.

[keg in kc]

http://i.imgur.com/1ScDe.jpg

[4th and Long]

I don't think so either. But Punk's mentioned it a number of times recently. That I'm not so sure about. Austin is a big fan of Punk (seriously).
Note that only Punk is entertaining the idea.
And it would be a great natural feud between straight edge and drinker. Question is, who's the heel and who's the face.
Punk is the face. Austin just has to pull the old, "That no good sum bitch, CM Punk ..." one time and he's the heel.

[4th and Long]

http://i.imgur.com/1ScDe.jpg
:LOL: LMAO :LOL:

[keg in kc]

Note that only Punk is entertaining the idea.I actually don't know if that's the case or not.

But as I said, I don't expect Austin to ever wrestle again.

[keg in kc]

WWE.com (which I rarely if ever visit...) is actually referring to Cena as "now-fired".

[Mr_Tomahawk]

WWE.com (which I rarely if ever visit...) is actually referring to Cena as "now-fired".

But does that really mean anything coming from their site...

[keg in kc]

But does that really mean anything coming from their site...'course not.

I am curious if they'll write an article about it, though. So far it's just mentioned in the match recap.


On a different note, a year ago I was pretty sure Miz was going to be the first Money in the Bank winner to lose. I'd say there's about 99.9% it'll be Danielson now. Although I love that they gave him the briefcase, and I thought that was a great match, better than Raw's.

[Sassy Squatch]

It was kind of hilarious how he kicked Del Rio in the face like a boss and just left.

[keg in kc]

This is the 'official' wwe.com story:CM Punk def. WWE Champion John Cena (New WWE Champion) (http://www.wwe.com/shows/moneyinthebank/2011/cena-punk)

By: Craig Tello July 17, 2011

CHICAGO — CM Punk did it. He opened a black hole in the WWE Universe, seizing the WWE Championship in his hometown within his final hours as a contracted employee of Vince McMahon, sufficiently embarrassing The WWE Chairman and conquering a presumably fired John Cena, “The Champ.”

As time precariously ticked away toward the expiration of Punk’s contract, a fretful Mr. McMahon’s overzealous acts during the high stakes bout enabled The Second City Savior to supplant Cena as the new WWE Champion. Then, averting the last-ditch desperate measures of WWE’s CEO – including an attempted Montreal-esque Chicago Screwjob and a cash-in coup by Money in the Bank contract winner Alberto Del Rio – Punk escaped through the crowd with the WWE Title and its 63-year lineage, as he blew Mr. McMahon and WWE a kiss goodbye.

[keg in kc]

Ohh, they changed it to "presumably fired". When I read it originally it said "now-fired".

Already backstepping.

[4th and Long]

Ohh, they changed it to "presumably fired". When I read it originally it said "now-fired".

Already backstepping.
The creative team, hard at work. :spock:

[keg in kc]

Supposedly what happened after it went off the air (read: not much):WHAT HAPPENED AFTER MONEY IN THE BANK WENT OFF THE AIR
by Chris Brainard @ 11:01 PM on 7/17/2011 pwinsider

After CM Punk left through the crowd, Vince McMahon stayed on the apron looking out into the crowd for a few minutes before slowly walking towards the back. He waited for Johnny Ace, who was being helped by two referees. Vince then nailed Johnny, laying him out before walking off. That was it.Bad day to be John Laurinaitis' face...

[keg in kc]

Woah, Meltzer with some high praise:One of the best PPVs the company has ever done.I don't disagree. I enjoyed that more than the last two manias. I can't remember a show I enjoyed that much from top-to-bottom since the first One Night Stand.

[chuxtrux]

I watched a lot of wrestling during the "Attitude" era(98-01). The CM Punk angle has me interested in the WWE again for the first time in a long time.

[4th and Long]

Woah, Meltzer with some high praise:I don't disagree. I enjoyed that more than the last two manias. I can't remember a show I enjoyed that much from top-to-bottom since the first One Night Stand.

You enjoyed Show vs Mark Henry?
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[4th and Long]

I watched a lot of wrestling during the "Attitude" era(98-01). The CM Punk angle has me interested in the WWE again for the first time in a long time.

What if there is no CM Punk 'angle'? What if he actually retired?
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[Swanman]

I just got back from the show, and holy shit what a good one to decide to attend. Obviously, the crowd was nuclear for Punk the entire night, and only little kids were cheering for Cena.

The opener was amazing, mainly because Dragon won it out of nowhere. I was a nice little homage to his ROH days when he was hitting Barrett with the MMA elbows on top of the ladder and then kicked his head in. If they decide cool off the Orton/Christian feud and leave Christian with the belt, a Dragon/Christian feud could work very well.

The women's match absolutely sucked balls, and not in a good way. The WWE brass should watch some Shimmer dvds to see hows its done.

The Henry/Big Show match was a yawner as well, but the match wasn't the important part, it was all about the injury angle after the match so it served its purpose.

The Raw MITB match was fun, but not as good as the Smackdown match overall, I think mainly because it was a foregone conclusion that Del Rio was going to win. I have to say the Miz was a fan favorite by the reactions I heard. I also think its funny that Mysterio goes full retard when his mask is pulled off even though he wrestled for like a year with it off in WCW (which I guess now didn't really happen).

The Christian/Orton match was fun and well-booked. I figured Christian would goad Orton into doing something stupid and he did. The crowd popped huge for the second RKO on the announce table.

I don't think I need to say too much about the main event. It was the most invested I have been in a wrestling match since the late 90's. My wife and I were there sporting our Colt Cabana shirts so it was fun seeing him in the front row. They really showed CM Punk to be a complete mastermind by kicking Del Rio and then hightailing it out of the ring through the crowd so he couldn't get pinned. Vince laid out Johnny Ace on the ramp after the show went off the air.

[keg in kc]

You enjoyed Show vs Mark Henry?
Posted via Mobile DeviceIt wasn't awful. The only thing I really hated was the divas.

Fact is, there's never going to be a show, A or B, where every match is good. Even (especially) mania is mostly filler. Tonight's show featured 4 very strong matches with 4 very good finishes, although I thought Orton's bit on Christian was overkill.

[Reaper16]

I'm still shocked that WWE booked the ending the way that they did. Wow wow wow.

[zonachief]

Welcome back WWE. I have not have a shit about you since 01. Started watching back near mania. Not a huge punk lover like the net junkies but that guy is legit and a great heel on the Mic. Wow. Best ppv I may have ever seen.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Wow one of the best matches I have ever seen. It was so great because I seriously could not predict what was going to happen. I hope I see more stuff like this from the WWE, but im not holding my breathe, at least for 1 night WWE did it right.

[keg in kc]

I don't remember if I mentioned it here or not, but there are new head writers for both Raw and SD. Gerwitz and Hayes were both promoted (although I think one of them still oversees the writing team). So this could feasibly be the beginning of a change of some kind in WWE.

(or not)

[Mr. Arrowhead]

also that was one of the best crowd interaction I have ever seen. It was almost like listening to a football game with the way the crowd would go crazy with a simple arm toss by cm punk.

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

It was great. Even better is that DirecTV comp'd the PPV for free for us. I would check your bills for hidden/mystery fee's. Our is on auto deduct but I noticed some weird shit and well, it led to a $540 service credit earlier today and a free PPV.

Cena did a good job of wrestling tonight for a change. It was clearly his longest match and his drubbing of Johnny Ace was a perfect distraction to give Punk the win. I like how it ended but it would have been cool to have Daniel and Alberto cash in and LOSE.

Either way, it was great stuff. Even the divas. They are just easy on the eyes.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

TheRock Dwayne Johnson
Congratulations to new WWE Champion @CMPunk. Gonna be a helluva run for you. I hope our paths cross.

[keg in kc]

Interestingly it appears they changed the finish. Del Rio was going to cash in and win. There was even an article (briefly) on WWE.com that I think referenced (it mentioned Cena not being fired because Punk didn't leave with the belt).

[Reaper16]

Interestingly it appears they changed the finish. Del Rio was going to cash in and win. There was even an article (briefly) on WWE.com that I think referenced (it mentioned Cena not being fired because Punk didn't leave with the belt).
Where is this info coming from/being discussed at?

[The Bad Guy]

It was great. Even better is that DirecTV comp'd the PPV for free for us. I would check your bills for hidden/mystery fee's. Our is on auto deduct but I noticed some weird shit and well, it led to a $540 service credit earlier today and a free PPV.

Cena did a good job of wrestling tonight for a change. It was clearly his longest match and his drubbing of Johnny Ace was a perfect distraction to give Punk the win. I like how it ended but it would have been cool to have Daniel and Alberto cash in and LOSE.

Either way, it was great stuff. Even the divas. They are just easy on the eyes.

Fill us all in on the hidden fees so we can get in on the action too.

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

F,

Review your statements and look at fees for additional receivers and leased recievers. I think my situation might have been isolated but they were billing me for 4-5 receivers we never had in the house. Once I started looking at old invoices online I realized it's been going on. The lady on the phone was super nice and said, "oh shit" about 3-4 times. Apparently the guy who installed everything in our house double booked our receivers into the system.

[keg in kc]

Where is this info coming from/being discussed at?Meltzer on his radio show just said the finish was changed.

The article on wwe.com (http://www.wwe.com/shows/moneyinthebank/2011/cena-punk) is so far unchanged, still reads to me like it's talking about the wrong finish:But what of John Cena? Having endured one of his darkest hours, The Cenation Commander-in-Chief must regain his footing to march along on a journey that may not include the WWE Championship, a WrestleMania XXVIII showdown with The Rock, or WWE at all, assuming The Chairman keeps his word. Whatever lies ahead, it will all happen on a permanently altered WWE landscape with no CM Punk, no WWE Championship, and perhaps no John Cena – a vision that none might have ever believed they’d ever, ever see.

[keg in kc]

Cena did a good job of wrestling tonight for a change. It was clearly his longest match and his drubbing of Johnny Ace was a perfect distraction to give Punk the win. I like how it ended but it would have been cool to have Daniel and Alberto cash in and LOSE.I actually thought Cena was pretty bad tonight. Bad as in sloppy and apparently out of position on a lot of Punk's moves. He almost destroyed his own knee because of it.

But all that said, I didn't think it detracted from the match at all.

[Marty Mac Ver 2.0]

Every match had botched moves. That's the point with John he just bull rushes everything at times. Tonight was more old school grappling at first.

Rebranding Cena might not be a bad thing.

[58kcfan89]

I don't remember if I mentioned it here or not, but there are new head writers for both Raw and SD. Gerwitz and Hayes were both promoted (although I think one of them still oversees the writing team). So this could feasibly be the beginning of a change of some kind in WWE.

(or not)

I hadn't heard this, but it could explain a lot.

Interestingly it appears they changed the finish. Del Rio was going to cash in and win. There was even an article (briefly) on WWE.com that I think referenced (it mentioned Cena not being fired because Punk didn't leave with the belt).

My friend was reading me something that said no one backstage other than Punk, Cena, Vince & Johnny knew the finish and that Del Rio wasn't notified until after the match started. I don't have a link, but that's what he said.

Wasn't that the story at ONS in '06 with RVD vs. Cena? The rumor was that the original finish was Cena over RVD with some interference (or some sort of finish where Cena retained) and supposedly, after the show started & the fans were so crazy that they basically had no choice but to let RVD go over.

Either way, I'm still freakin' stoked with what they did and can't wait to see where they go from here. Even though I'm a huge Punk mark & that's a big part of my excitement, the ladder matches were good and I enjoyed the finish to Orton-Christian. Certainly enjoyed it more than the past two WrestleManias and it's one of the best PPVs in a long while.

[keg in kc]

My friend was reading me something that said no one backstage other than Punk, Cena, Vince & Johnny knew the finish and that Del Rio wasn't notified until after the match started. I don't have a link, but that's what he said.Yeah, that would be pretty much what I'd expect. They weren't going to risk spoiling the end of this one.

[keg in kc]

I hadn't heard this, but it could explain a lot.Here's the details from a recent Observer:There are some changes within the writing staff when it comes to structure. Brian Gewirtz and Michael Hayes’ positions have changed from being head writer on Raw and Smackdown to being a layer above the head writer position. Instead of primary being on Raw and Smackdown respectively, Gewirtz’s role is to give ideas and set up the big picture direction for both shows and transmit the ideas Vince and Stephanie have for what they want on the show. Hayes’ new role is to be the guy who also gives ideas for both Raw and Smackdown, but also is the guy who explains to the agents where they are going with things and gives them their orders and what key things have to be included in the television matches. David Kapoor (Ranjin Singh) is now head writer of Raw in the sense he and his staff put together the scripts for the show and Kapoor is the actual writer. Ed Koskey has the same role on Smackdown. They report to Brian Gewirtz, who reports to Stephanie, who reports to Vince. One person noted to is, “it’s just another level of bureaucracy that will make getting a good idea approved even harder within the dysfunctional division.” Hayes as head of the producers and the guy giving them their basic framework of where to go with the matches is the position John Laurinaitis used to hold. Hayes will also work with Vince and HHH on the big show major finishes, but he’s no longer the guy directly pitching the Smackdown show to Vince and Stephanie. Basically, when it comes to creative, Vince is the boss, Stephanie and HHH are the level below him, Hayes and Gewirtz are the level below that, and Koskey and Kapoor are the level below that. One person familiar said Kapoor and Koskey’s promotion really only give them more headaches and pressure and while it looks like he has more power, the belief seems to be more it’s a sign that they consider Smackdown more of a secondary show than before. The feeling is Hayes can be best utilized in coming up with ideas for both shows so that is considered a positive.

Hayes in Laurinaitis’ old position of being the head of the producers (agents) when it comes to television, also assigns what agents are to do what matches. Developmental has been taken away from Laurinaitis and put in the hands of HHH as far as who is in charge of the system, although Laurinaitis is also involved in that mix. While for months people have expected widespread changes, thus far nothing is all that different. Scouting new talent was also under Laurinaitis, with Gerald Brisco being a key scout, and HHH is likely to take that over once he finds his own team. HHH has not been high on Laurinaitis, who is constantly compared to the Jim Ross era, and when you compare the number of stars brought in during the Ross era and the Laurinaitis era, it’s scary (that also goes for dropping OVW as a territory and less recruiting of major league star athletes). But there is a feeling that there is nobody around that can do Laurinaitis’ job, because Ross has a life outside of wrestling and doesn’t want it back, plus if they were going to replace Laurinaitis it would be a younger person. Laurinaitis at least spent several years working under Ross to learn the job before the move was made. Nobody has been trained by Laurinaitis to take over but clearly he’s lost power in some of the recent moves.

[keg in kc]

There are three pages of feedback to the observer already (more reaction that I ever remember seeing for any single show, including manias) and every single one of them is thumbs way up. I don't think I've ever seen any show, WWE, TNA or UFC (also reviewed on the site...) get this much universal acclaim. If the internet fan was the target, they hit it out of the park with Money in the Bank.

However, if you go to wwe's facebook (http://www.facebook.com/wwe/posts/247628271931463) there are a lot of Cena marks crying in their fruity pebbles tonight. LMAO

(The poll results so far say 86% liked the PPV - I wonder if the other 14% can legally vote)

[WebGem]

Easily the best show I've ever been to. EVER. And I've been to about 250 wrestling shows. This shit was better than GBH V Night 2. Seriously.

[WebGem]

My friend was reading me something that said no one backstage other than Punk, Cena, Vince & Johnny knew the finish and that Del Rio wasn't notified until after the match started. I don't have a link, but that's what he said.

lol at this. You clearly haven't worked in the wrestling business ever. This is totally standard for the majority of wrestling shows regardless of how big the show is. 80% of the time wrestlers don't know the outcome of their match, especially in title matches, until minutes before they go to the ring. You can discuss the match with the other worker and how many minutes you're getting for a while before the match but you won't know the result until right before you head out. This is the case in majors, indies, anywhere.

[keg in kc]

OMFG LMAO

“@WWEUniverse: It's 12:00 a.m. ... Do you know where your WWE Champion is? #MITB @CMPunk” The champ is...here:

http://i.imgur.com/Q3tdP.jpg

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Sin Cara suspended (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/sin-cara/sin-cara-suspended)

July 18, 2011

STAMFORD, Conn. – In accordance with its Talent Wellness Program, WWE has suspended Luis Ignascio Urive Alvirde (Sin Cara) for 30 days for his first violation of the company’s policy. Well. That explains that.

Or should I say "not well."

[Al Bundy]

OMFG LMAO



http://i.imgur.com/Q3tdP.jpg

Haha.

[BigCatDaddy]

I'm in a controlled frenzy at the moment.

[4th and Long]

Well. That explains that.

Or should I say "not well."

Goodbye push, hello squash matches. Good luck, kid.

Signed,

RVD
Posted via Mobile Device

[Brock]

lol at this. You clearly haven't worked in the wrestling business ever. This is totally standard for the majority of wrestling shows regardless of how big the show is. 80% of the time wrestlers don't know the outcome of their match, especially in title matches, until minutes before they go to the ring. You can discuss the match with the other worker and how many minutes you're getting for a while before the match but you won't know the result until right before you head out. This is the case in majors, indies, anywhere.

LOL....idiot.

[loochy]

lol at this. You clearly haven't worked in the wrestling business ever. This is totally standard for the majority of wrestling shows regardless of how big the show is. 80% of the time wrestlers don't know the outcome of their match, especially in title matches, until minutes before they go to the ring. You can discuss the match with the other worker and how many minutes you're getting for a while before the match but you won't know the result until right before you head out. This is the case in majors, indies, anywhere.

Lol? Is it a reasonable expectation to think that people on a football message board have worked in the relatively tiny pro wrestling business?

[58kcfan89]

lol at this. You clearly haven't worked in the wrestling business ever. This is totally standard for the majority of wrestling shows regardless of how big the show is. 80% of the time wrestlers don't know the outcome of their match, especially in title matches, until minutes before they go to the ring. You can discuss the match with the other worker and how many minutes you're getting for a while before the match but you won't know the result until right before you head out. This is the case in majors, indies, anywhere.

Clearly I haven't, nor do I recall ever saying I had worked in wrestling. Maybe some day if the opportunity arises as a commentator or writer or whatever, but right now I'm just a fan.

As for the rest of the post, I'll have to dig to find it, but in Lesnar's book, I seem to remember him saying that his "breaking point" was that no one told him the finish to one of his matches with The Rock until after the show had started and that it was one of the things that started his meltdown in WWE. Based on that, I assumed he always knew the finish long before he went to the ring.


Oh, and I'm totally jealous to anyone who was there last night. If I was anywhere close to Chicago or could have feasibly made it work financially, I would have loved to be there.

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Good start by Vince. Are they turning Miz?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I didnt think it was that great....

I was waiting for someone cena to pop up in the audience (again) or Punk to make his presence felt in some way.

...Perhaps this will happen at the end of the show.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Supposedly CM Punk is at the Cubs game tonight with the championship belt

[Reaper16]

Supposedly CM Punk is at the Cubs game tonight with the championship belt
He's already Tweeted a pic from Wrigley.

[Reaper16]

/Marks out for Ricardo Rodriguez

[keg in kc]

I didnt think it was that great....

I was waiting for someone cena to pop up in the audience (again) or Punk to make his presence felt in some way.

...Perhaps this will happen at the end of the show.I think having them both absent is the right move.

Although damn that group for the title tournament is just pathetic.

And I can't believe they put fucking r-truth over.

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And then there was Kofi.

Well, at least they didn't force Alex Riley down our throats for a week.

(Del Rio ends the night as champion?)

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I liked it a lot better last night when Rey was booed out of the building.

[keg in kc]

rofl, they won't let King say CM Punk.

[Reaper16]

7-on-7 tag match? I give it a three-minute running time.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I miss all the boob slips/outfit malfunctions during the attitude era.... :(

[chiefscafan]

Was excited to see raw but so far disappointed. The little self gratifying comment on Facebook and Cole still an arrogant bore proclaiming this Is a historic night lol

These wrestlers in this tournament couldn't beat half the TNA roster lol

It better get better the rest of the way.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

This is a terrible Raw.

[chiefscafan]

Without cm punk this show is boring if kofi is champion and loses to del rio by cash in Vince has once again become predictable. But the kiddies will love it.

[Swanman]

This is a terrible Raw.

I agree, after last night this show fucking sucks. I see this show doing a good rating because of curiosity and then plummets next week.

I can't believe the retarded shit about people tweeting so they don't fire Cena. It's already become a joke. It seems Punk must have had the writing team at gunpoint for last night and the last few weeks to turn out so well.

The end of the show could be interesting, but I doubt it.

[Reaper16]

Is Miz about to lose a tooth? Eeesh.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Del Rio is going to Cash-In. If this IS the case...I dont think I will be able to watch for a couple of weeks...

[Jamie]

Has it been all clean finishes so far? I've had Raw on while I did other stuff so I haven't been paying 100% attention.

[Swanman]

Del Rio is going to Cash-In. If this IS the case...I dont think I will be able to watch for a couple of weeks...

I am pretty much ready to just go back to waiting for ROH to return to tv in September.

[chiefscafan]

Too damn predictable. Del rio champ at end boy will raw suck cena will quit before he's fired same old crap blah blah

[Reaper16]

Del Rio is going to Cash-In. If this IS the case...I dont think I will be able to watch for a couple of weeks...
Sorry, bro. Del Rio is a major player in this company going forward. His ascension to the main event level begins this month, and he's gonna' stay there.

[Swanman]

Has it been all clean finishes so far? I've had Raw o2 n while I did other stuff so I haven't been paying 100% attention.

Yes there have been a bunch of 5 minute clean finishes, some kinda flukey like Kofi rolling up Del Rio. You can't properly do an 8-man tourney in one 2 hour show unless you completely butcher the times of the matches. But considering most of the roster blows up at the 6 minute mark, maybe its not such a bad thing.

[Reaper16]

I think I just saw CP's own Bob Dole in the stands, even though that doesn't make sense.

[Swanman]

I forgot to mention that last night right after we walked into the Allstate Arena, I saw Billy Corgan walking through the concourse. That was an unexpected and pretty cool celeb sighting.

[chiefscafan]

Wow silent rage man is this show going down the tank. They bring out old wwf belt by the way. Please cm punk save this show

[chiefscafan]

History making???

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I am okay with this appearance... (emergency/panic-move)

[Al Bundy]

There's no crying in wrestling.

[Al Bundy]

I can't wait for Keg's response here....

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Hasn't this happened to him before...or something similar in the past where he was 'done' ?

I don't buy it.

Regardless....Vince gives his son-in-law more responsibility, keeping him on a leash. Really, is it THAT exciting what just happened...No.

[Jerm]

Wow HHH really does bury everyone huh...

[chiefscafan]

Well we find out who wins title next week bad follow up to a great pay per view

[Reaper16]

Long-term storytelling. For the first time in a long time. This feels to me like its actually going somewhere.

[chiefscafan]

Really how?? Triple h in charge becomes the new Vince drunk with power. Still no punk and cena doing his PG speeches yep going somewhere all right

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I love you pop.

[Reaper16]

Really how?? Triple h in charge becomes the new Vince drunk with power. Still no punk and cena doing his PG speeches yep going somewhere all right
It proves that Punk matters, even during his time off. "Still no Punk." Dude, wake up. Punk won't be on TV for quite a few months. If he does show up, it'll be a "Hi, I'm a paying customer in the crowd. And oh, I have the real WWE championship" thing. He won't be back until Survivor Series at the earliest, and probably not until before 'Mania.

But the Vince being fired angle shows that Punk's actions have true meaning (in story). Punk got Vince fired. Punk won't be forgotten; his return will matter very much.

HHH in charge (in story) symbolizes the new state of things on Raw. It symbolizes the new writing staff.

[BryanBusby]

Jesus, did Russo book Raw this week?

[keg in kc]

I thought that was great. I'm not a HHH fan at all, but seeing him walk out in a suit and basically be Paul Levesque the corporate guy instead of Hun-Tor the DX goofball was something different and felt fresh to me. The end maybe dragged out a little too much, but I never in my life thought I'd see Vince in tears at the end of a Raw episode. I thought the two of them worked the live crowd really well, taking them from "hey hey goodbye" to "thank you vince" in a couple of minutes. It didn't come off like I would have expected if I'd read about it instead of watching - HHH was not the evil son-in-law trying to take over the empire, and Vince ended up almost sympathetic at the end. It came across like Hunter doing something he didn't want to, being a businessman and not a character (even though he was of course being a character).

It was a way to keep Cena in the company, which let's face it, they have to do. You could see how bereft of star power they really are by just how blase the rest of the show seemed. I mean, if you'd ask me what kind of Raw I'd prefer to see, it would be one like tonight: a bunch of long, good matches where wins and losses count leading to a title-holder based on competition instead of contrived feuds. But the show seemed boring, without any real stars. Until Vince and then Cena came out at the end.

Having Punk off air makes the events of last night seem legitimate (plus gives him time off he both needs and deserves). He said he was leaving with the title, and by not showing up the next night, he's done just that, something virtually nobody else has done. It's not John Cena being fired and showing up 5 minutes later. And I think it was great to have his name a no-no until Cena showed up, at which point it had grown to a degree of "ooh, he said Punk's name" with the audience (meaning the live crowd).

As far as Cena goes, I'm mixed on him. I like that he's playing the 'not an ass kisser/corporate stooge' on one hand, but on the other it feels like they've forcing him down our throats even more. And he's the corporate guy by default now, since the corporation has now chosen him over Vince. There's a lot of subtlety at play there, but I'm not sure how much of it is intentional.

I'm not sure how I'd handle Punk going forward. I liked the idea of doing vignettes of him out with the belt, but that wouldn't fit in with the whole "ignore him and move on" bit. And they have to find a way to bring him back. There's an automatic feud in place with whoever wins the title (I'd like to see it be Miz, but Punk works so well with Rey, as much as I can't stand Mysterio), but there has to be a reason for him to come back. Because right now, why would he even care if there's another champion.

All in all, I didn't think it was a terrible Raw. Anything was going to feel like a letdown after last night. That was one of the best shows, and best crowds, I've ever seen. It was wrestling-heavy, light on the bullshit (Cole's announcing aside...) and was an extension of last night's PPV. Everything was centered around the new title and fallout from MitB.

And as far as "was that Russo booking?" goes, well, they had straightforward matches with clean finishes all night, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, that wasn't Russo booking.

[keg in kc]

Back to the Miz for a second. They booked him like a face tonight. After weeks of losing to Alex Riley he wins two matches clean as a whistle hopping around on one leg. So if I had to pick who they're putting the title on next week (if Cena's not involved) it probably would be him, to set up a match with Punk later. There's still the whole Del Rio and his briefcase issue, though.

As I read somewhere else a bit ago, maybe they're setting up another Shawn Michaels/Razor Ramon IC title feud from back in '94 (?).

[Reaper16]

I thought that was great. I'm not a HHH fan at all, but seeing him walk out in a suit and basically be Paul Levesque the corporate guy instead of Hun-Tor the DX goofball was something different and felt fresh to me. The end maybe dragged out a little too much, but I never in my life thought I'd see Vince in tears at the end of a Raw episode. I thought the two of them worked the live crowd really well, taking them from "hey hey goodbye" to "thank you vince" in a couple of minutes. It didn't come off like I would have expected if I'd read about it instead of watching - HHH was not the evil son-in-law trying to take over the empire, and Vince ended up almost sympathetic at the end. It came across like Hunter doing something he didn't want to, being a businessman and not a character (even though he was of course being a character).

It was a way to keep Cena in the company, which let's face it, they have to do. You could see how bereft of star power they really are by just how blase the rest of the show seemed. I mean, if you'd ask me what kind of Raw I'd prefer to see, it would be one like tonight: a bunch of long, good matches where wins and losses count leading to a title-holder based on competition instead of contrived feuds. But the show seemed boring, without any real stars. Until Vince and then Cena came out at the end.

Having Punk off air makes the events of last night seem legitimate (plus gives him time off he both needs and deserves). He said he was leaving with the title, and by not showing up the next night, he's done just that, something virtually nobody else has done. It's not John Cena being fired and showing up 5 minutes later. And I think it was great to have his name a no-no until Cena showed up, at which point it had grown to a degree of "ooh, he said Punk's name" with the audience (meaning the live crowd).

As far as Cena goes, I'm mixed on him. I like that he's playing the 'not an ass kisser/corporate stooge' on one hand, but on the other it feels like they've forcing him down our throats even more. And he's the corporate guy by default now, since the corporation has now chosen him over Vince. There's a lot of subtlety at play there, but I'm not sure how much of it is intentional.

I'm not sure how I'd handle Punk going forward. I liked the idea of doing vignettes of him out with the belt, but that wouldn't fit in with the whole "ignore him and move on" bit. And they have to find a way to bring him back. There's an automatic feud in place with whoever wins the title (I'd like to see it be Miz, but Punk works so well with Rey, as much as I can't stand Mysterio), but there has to be a reason for him to come back. Because right now, why would he even care if there's another champion.

All in all, I didn't think it was a terrible Raw. Anything was going to feel like a letdown after last night. That was one of the best shows, and best crowds, I've ever seen. It was wrestling-heavy, light on the bullshit (Cole's announcing aside...) and was an extension of last night's PPV. Everything was centered around the new title and fallout from MitB.

And as far as "was that Russo booking?" goes, well, they had straightforward matches with clean finishes all night, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, that wasn't Russo booking.
I agree with essentially every bit of this.

[Reaper16]

As I read somewhere else a bit ago, maybe they're setting up another Shawn Michaels/Razor Ramon IC title feud from back in '94 (?).

Speaking of, I really wish that instead of creating a new, secondary WWE title (that won't count in the historical record books), WWE decided to make the Intercontinental Championship the biggest title on Raw in this Punk-less interim. That's a great belt that deserves far, far better than the treatment its been given over the past howevermany years.

[keg in kc]

Speaking of, I really wish that instead of creating a new, secondary WWE title (that won't count in the historical record books), WWE decided to make the Intercontinental Championship the biggest title on Raw in this Punk-less interim. That's a great belt that deserves far, far better than the treatment its been given over the past howevermany years.Hell, bring back tag teams and managers while you're at it.

I think part of the getting people over problem is that only the select talkers can get over now, and it has to be singles workers. You don't have to go all that far to think of a great tag team, like MnM or even when Miz and Morrison were teamed-up. And I think not having managers anymore is a huge void.

Anyway, last word on tonight. It felt to me like the changes we've seen the last few weeks were continuing. And not just the storyline stuff with Punk/Cena/Vince and now HHH. It was primarily matches featured on the show, with very little in the way of vignettes. I mean, a title tournament? In WWE? With no shenanigans?

I hope that's a direction they stick to. You can still have your long featured segments like the ending, but I didn't miss a bit R-Truth spending 10 minutes on the Jimmy's or Miz talking about how awesome he is or Alex Riley being bland with a mic or anything like that. And I love the idea that it actually mattered who won and lost their matches, even if it's only for one night.

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hehTheRock Dwayne Johnson

Cena - get back on your tour bus, call up your favorite yum rocket, take your apology and stick it straight up your phony ass.

[Demonpenz]

Mr. Perfect. Perfect plex. SNES royal Rumble.

[BryanBusby]

And as far as "was that Russo booking?" goes, well, they had straightforward matches with clean finishes all night, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, that wasn't Russo booking.
It was probably a mere coincidence if anything, but Russo is capable of booking clean finishes sometimes.

Would of rather of seen the focus on Miz vs. Mysterio, which is capable of being a great match with good booking. Instead Raw closes out with more McMahon family bullshit. Ugh.

[58kcfan89]

Disclaimer: Sorry if any of this doesn't make sense or it's repetitive or whatever. I should be asleep but had to watch Raw. I don't think I have a lot to add that hasn't been said before, but here goes...

Like was said earlier, anything they did tonight was going to be a letdown after MITB. And as was mentioned, the 8 guys in the tournament were lackluster to say the least.

That said, what's made the last few weeks so great was the authenticity and realism of it. No one seemed to know whether Punk was really leaving or how they would send him off. Once he left Chicago with the belt, tons of people were hooked, with so many twists and turns possible involving Punk's future, Cena's future and the title.

Then they started Raw and for awhile they wanted to act like Punk didn't exist and essentially create a new WWE Title and that "authentic" feel all of a sudden seemed lost, at least to me. Maybe it's the fact that when a champion gets hurt, a tournament is the automatic default solution and I feel like this has been done before. Or maybe it's because it's hard for me to take any of those 8 guys seriously as the WWE Champion. It could be the fact that we all know they can't have Raw right now without either Punk or Cena and that one of the two was going to "come back" by the end of the night. Or maybe it's that I feel like this whole tournament is pointless, as the new Champion won't really be the WWE Champion, because CM Punk's refrigerator holds the real belt. Whatever it is, I didn't get that "big show" or "realistic" feel to Raw like we've had in the past few weeks.

Which is why I'm torn on the HHH-Vince thing. There's a lot of things they can do with it (how many times have we heard that?), but will creative be able to capitalize? If they can turn this into something that feels authentic and something fans can get emotionally invested in (Punk's anti-hero vs. HHH's corporation?), they can keep this momentum going. If this is just their "farewell" to Vince's on-camera character and it'll just be HHH taking over as the evil boss from here on out (or they just don't put a lot of effort into the angle), color me disappointed.

Final thoughts:
1. I already miss CM Punk. Hope they have something big lined up whenever he comes back (And I think he will be back soon, because I have to hope for it. I've lost HBK, Jericho and Edge and RVD's in TNA. I need one of my favorite wrestlers to stick around.), because it could be epic. I was also happy to hear a few "CM Punk" chants during the show.
2. I still don't like Del Rio. In-ring work is fine, but I absolutely despise his promos as they sound horribly scripted and don't feel like he belongs in the main event just yet.

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Would of rather of seen the focus on Miz vs. Mysterio, which is capable of being a great match with good booking. Instead Raw closes out with more McMahon family bullshit. Ugh.Everything that happened tonight played off of Punk's original promo:

"I’m just a spoke on the wheel. The wheel is going to keep turning and I understand that. Vince McMahon is going to make money despite himself. He’s a millionaire who should be a billionaire. You know why he’s not a billionaire? Because he surrounds himself with glad-handed, non-sensical, douchebag (censored) yes men, like John Laurinaitis, who’s going to tell him everything he wants to hear, and I’d like to think that maybe this company will better after Vince McMahon is dead. But the fact is, it’s going to be taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family."

Where else was it it ever going to go...

[LTL]

I'm not sure how I'd handle Punk going forward. I liked the idea of doing vignettes of him out with the belt, but that wouldn't fit in with the whole "ignore him and move on" bit. And they have to find a way to bring him back. There's an automatic feud in place with whoever wins the title (I'd like to see it be Miz, but Punk works so well with Rey, as much as I can't stand Mysterio), but there has to be a reason for him to come back. Because right now, why would he even care if there's another champion..

They haven't done this in probably 20 years or more I would guess, but every now and then if it had been a few weeks since the belt was defended they would break out the the belt has to be defended every 30 days otherwise the champion vacates the belt.

They could do something similar with Punk. They announce that Punk has so long to defend his belt and that even though he doesn't have a contract with the wwe we are going to work on that and recognize him as the champion but he only has till the next PPV to defend the belt if not then it will be vacated. The tournament then serves as whom his opponent would be. That way they could do away with the whole ignoring him bs, they keep the story line going for another month and have people wondering will he show up or not and it brings him back in smoothly and as the champion.

[BryanBusby]

Everything that happened tonight played off of Punk's original promo:

"I’m just a spoke on the wheel. The wheel is going to keep turning and I understand that. Vince McMahon is going to make money despite himself. He’s a millionaire who should be a billionaire. You know why he’s not a billionaire? Because he surrounds himself with glad-handed, non-sensical, douchebag (censored) yes men, like John Laurinaitis, who’s going to tell him everything he wants to hear, and I’d like to think that maybe this company will better after Vince McMahon is dead. But the fact is, it’s going to be taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family."

Where else was it it ever going to go...

I don't think the actual storyline bothers me, as it's just it overtook the tournament and will probably be abandoned when idiot investors freak out (see: Trump "buys" Raw) and tank WWE stock price.

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I don't think the actual storyline bothers me, as it's just it overtook the tournament and will probably be abandoned when idiot investors freak out (see: Trump "buys" Raw) and tank WWE stock price.Looks like it actually went up today.

However, overnight's say last night's rating was only a 3.2. Probably not what they (or I) were expecting.

Curious to see what the numbers were for the PPV. You'd think after a great show like that, and how excited the supposedly 'lapsed' audience from the attitude era was, more would be tuning into Raw.

[Brock]

LOL. Finally have somebody on your show people want to watch. GET HIM OFF OF TV IMMEDIATELY /WWE

[keg in kc]

LOL. Finally have somebody on your show people want to watch. GET HIM OFF OF TV IMMEDIATELY /WWEAs I understand it, it was his choice. He's been asking for time off for months.

But I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, I'm not sure that this is the point where I would have taken it were I CM Punk.

[58kcfan89]

As I understand it, it was his choice. He's been asking for time off for months.

But I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, I'm not sure that this is the point where I would have taken it were I CM Punk.

Eh, that's part of what makes this story so awesome. I want to see him there all the time, so I miss him, but I think at this point, he's got the fans hooked to see him whenever he comes back. This is WWE's chance to make us care about something other than Punk on Raw or build another compelling story that he can get involved in down the road.

That said, I'm interested, but not as invested as I was on Sunday night & the weeks before.

[keg in kc]

I'm interested mainly because I have no idea where this is going. I didn't expect to see suit-wearing HHH taking over the company (although it's heading that way in real life, apparently). I don't have any idea what his role is going to be now. I think if they keep him 'corporate', in suits and acting like a completely different character than he's been in the past, it will be a good thing. If he turns back into his regular old HHH "I am the game" character and starts heeling it up next week, bossing people around and flattening everybody, it won't be a good thing at all. I like that I'm not sure what Cena's going to be up to next week, who he'll be working with, and that he's not (so far) part of the new title match-up between Miz and Mysterio (a match that itself seems like a new thing). I like how they're setting up a future feud with Punk, whoever it is, although I'm not sure how happy I am knowing/expecting Cena to be a part of that, too (there's always a rematch clause). I like that the Punk thing is open-ended, no idea when he's back. I like that I have no idea what Vince will do going forward.

It just feels different to me, like there's been a little bit of a shake-up. But it's WWE so they could decide next week that the ratings are too low, bring Orton back from Smackdown and have him feud with Cena for the 9374th time.

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Alvarez on wrestling observer/figure four weekly site traffic yesterday:With the exception of two instances where we got plugged in Dave's Yahoo column, Monday was the biggest day by far in the history of this site in terms of traffic. Bigger than any WrestleMania or UFC, bigger than Benoit, bigger than everything. By nearly 20% in fact.

[58kcfan89]

I'm interested mainly because I have no idea where this is going. I didn't expect to see suit-wearing HHH taking over the company (although it's heading that way in real life, apparently). I don't have any idea what his role is going to be now. I think if they keep him 'corporate', in suits and acting like a completely different character than he's been in the past, it will be a good thing. If he turns back into his regular old HHH "I am the game" character and starts heeling it up next week, bossing people around and flattening everybody, it won't be a good thing at all. I like that I'm not sure what Cena's going to be up to next week, who he'll be working with, and that he's not (so far) part of the new title match-up between Miz and Mysterio (a match that itself seems like a new thing). I like how they're setting up a future feud with Punk, whoever it is, although I'm not sure how happy I am knowing/expecting Cena to be a part of that, too (there's always a rematch clause). I like that the Punk thing is open-ended, no idea when he's back. I like that I have no idea what Vince will do going forward.

It just feels different to me, like there's been a little bit of a shake-up. But it's WWE so they could decide next week that the ratings are too low, bring Orton back from Smackdown and have him feud with Cena for the 9374th time.

For our sake, let's hope to God that they don't do this. I think [read: hope] they're setting up for a big, long-term storyline and that the last two days are just the beginning of it and that it might take a bit for it to gain some momentum.

The unpredictability and idea of a possible "new era" is something I haven't felt in a long time. There's nothing like a great football game, but when wrestling gets it right, like they did the past few days/weeks, it can be pretty incredible to watch.

[Reaper16]

Read this: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784925/introducing-worked-shoot-era

[keg in kc]

Interesting read.

Danielson-related spoilers from tonight:Michael Cole interviewed Daniel Bryan. Cole said that Bryan's Money in the Bank win was a fluke, and that Bryan would probably wait until someone was hurt to cash it in and become a fluke champion. Bryan said that he would cash it in at WrestleMania.Perfect, I think, if they stick with it.

[58kcfan89]

Interesting read.

Danielson-related spoilers from tonight:Michael Cole interviewed Daniel Bryan. Cole said that Bryan's Money in the Bank win was a fluke, and that Bryan would probably wait until someone was hurt to cash it in and become a fluke champion. Bryan said that he would cash it in at WrestleMania.Perfect, I think, if they stick with it.

Just what I was hoping to hear. Gives him plenty of time to get the crowd behind him and build up a story properly.

Now if we can just get rid of the Raw briefcase, we'll be set....

[58kcfan89]

Apparently Meltzer gave Punk-Cena 5 stars. First one in WWF/E since 1997 (HBK-Taker HIAC), first one in North America since 2005 (AJ Styles-Samoa Joe-Chris Daniels in TNA), and Punk's 2nd career 5 star match (Punk-Joe in ROH in 2005). Kinda surprised that there's not more recent HBK matches (first WM match vs. Taker or his match against Angle? And how in the hell did they never book a Punk-HBK match?), but whatever.

I'm assuming this came from his site, as it t'was posted here (http://www.wrestlingforum.com/10005116-post3.html), hope it's not "premium" info or anything...

C.M. Punk pinned John Cena to win the WWE title in 33:42

Punk was super over. Lawler said he’s never seen this much home town emotion in his career. Yes, Jerry Lawler, who got this kind of a reaction every time he challenged for the world title in Memphis over a dozen year or so period said this.

Punk was wearing a T-shirt that read, “Best in the World,” which is kind of gimmick pilfering. The announcers were pushing this as one of the biggest matches in the history of the promotion, and at the end, you probably could make a great case for it. Fans started with a “You can’t wrestle” chant at Cena. Punk was great at working the crowd, making a facial like, “You’re chanting this at me,” sarcastically, and then pointing to Cena.

Cena took Punk down and Punk put Cena in the guard. Cole then announced that Punk had Cena in the Anaconda vise. Yes, the freaking guard was called the Anaconda Vise. Made worse that at the finish, Punk actually used the Anaconda Vise and Cole had no clue what it was.

Then Cole put over Chicago, saying it’s been one of the greatest WWE cities for the past 40 to 50 years. If that’s the case, where are Crusher and Bruiser’s Hall of Fame plaques. Punk used a hiptoss, dropkick and headlock takeover spot.

The announcers then brought up the 1997 Survivor Series. They noted that happened because Bret Hart wanted to leave the company with the championship belt. You’d think when he came back and they settled everything, that they wouldn’t keep telling that story.

Cena tried the Attitude Adjustment, Punk tried the GTS, and both escaped. Punk threw some kicks and Cena clotheslined the hell out of him. Dueling chants. Even here, the women were cheering for Cena, even though this was as loud as any pro-Cena reaction ever (RVD at the Manhattan Center in 2006 was as loud, but there’s a difference between 2,500 people and nearly 15,000 people).

Right after that chant, Lawler said he didn’t think there was one Cena fan in the building. Thank God the crowd was so great because this announcing was pure shit. Punk put Cena in a triangle (three announcers, not one had a clue what he was doing) and Cena stood up. Punk started throwing elbows before Cena could drop him, and then tossed Cena out of the ring.

Punk went outside, and gave a high-five to Colt Cabana. This led to a “Colt Cabana” chant, which wasn’t acknowledged. Punk used a kneedrop off the middle rope onto Cena’s back while Cena was on the apron. Punk landed some knees, whipped Cena into the buckles and Punk missed a tackle and flew into the post.

More dueling chants. Cole quoted Gorilla Monsoon, saying, “If you’re not in this business to be champion, you’re in the wrong business.” He may have said that as a worked quote, but the Monsoon quote he always said, because he hated people who were in wrestling to gratify their egos and not get business, was “If you’re not in this business to make money, you’re in the wrong business.”

Punk came off the top rope with a crossbody block, but landed low, and instead of landing on Cena’s chest, landed on his knee. Cena appeared to injure his right knee. Cena tried to walk it off. It was apparently legit and not serious, because it didn’t play into the rest of the match. Cena then suplexed Punk from inside the ring to the floor. Cena, when taking the fall, twisted completely to land on his left side and protect his right knee. Cena with a fisherman suplex. Booker T talked about how Cena is turning the crowd toward him. He said the same thing about Orton, and it wasn’t true in either match.

Cena got a near fall with a powerslam. Punk started throwing punches with the crowd popping for each punch. Cena used a form of abdominal stretch, but Punk eye raked and hip tossed out. They knocked each other down with simultaneous clotheslines. Punk got a near fall with a schoolboy, but then missed a knee into the corner. Cena slammed him and the crowd was booing like crazy.

Cena went into his usual comeback phase. Punk crossed him up with a kick to the head. Crowd went nuts. Punk landed a flying knee that knocked Cena out of the ring. Punk followed with a tope. Punk went for a springboard move but Cena moved and Punk fell into the ring. Cena did the five knuckle shuffle, and went for the AA, but Punk landed on his feet, kicked Cena in the face and swept his leg for a near fall.

Punk went for the GTS, but Cena reversed into a gut wrench for a near fall. Punk with two flying knees, the second of which looked like it landed right on the chin like an MMA blow. He followed with a bulldog and a springboard clothesline for a near fall. Punk threw some kicks to the chest, but Cena countered with the STF. Punk made the rope.

Punk came back with a kick to the head and Cena kicked out. Punk used a crossbody and Cena rolled through and picked Punk up and put him on his shoulders for the AA again. Punk escaped, went for the GTS, but Cena reversed back into the STF in an awesome spot. Punk went to the ropes, but Cena pulled him into the center of the ring.

Punk put his hand up to tap, and then got a look on his face as if he mentally said to himself, “I’m not tapping.” He then reversed out of the STF into the Anaconda vise. Crowd was going crazy. Cena ended up breaking the hold, and landed the AA, but Punk kicked out. Place was electric at this point.

Cena came off the top for his leg slice, but Punk side stepped and went for the pin, but Cena kicked out. Punk did the Frank Shamrock sleep deal (the one Mickey Rourke used in “The Wrestler”) and went for the GTS. Cena got out again, and snapped Punk’s neck on the top rope. Cena hit the leg slice for a near fall, hit the AA, and Punk kicked out a second time.

Cena put Punk on his shoulders and climbed up to the middle rope for another AA, but Punk started throwing elbows to get out of it. Punk used a Frankensteiner off the top rope, then hit a flying knee and the GTS, but Cena flew out of the ring. Cena got back in the ring.

Vince and Laurinatis came out. Cena got the STF on and Vince yelled to ring the bell and sent Laurinaitis to the ring to ring it. Cena broke the hold, cut off Laurinaitis and punched him. Punk used the GTS and got the pin.

Vince started screaming to cut the music and that this isn’t going to end this way. He screamed for Del Rio to come out. Del Rio ran to the ring and got kicked in the head. Punk then ran into the crowd and the show went off the air. After the show ended and Laurinaitis got up, Vince decked Laurinatis again.

This was more than just a great match, but a career making moment. *****

[keg in kc]

I was just about to post the rating myself.

That is premium info btw. But I won't tell if you don't.

John Cena in a 5-star match. Maybe the world really is ending soon.

[58kcfan89]

I find it interesting what qualifies for premium stuff nowadays. Seems to me like that's just a move-by-move recap of the match with an opinion thrown in every couple sentences.

As much as I love Chris Jericho and think he's a wonderful wrestler, Cena now has more 5-star matches than he does. Granted, it's 1-0, but still.....

[keg in kc]

I find it interesting what qualifies for premium stuff nowadays. Seems to me like that's just a move-by-move recap of the match with an opinion thrown in every couple sentences.

As much as I love Chris Jericho and think he's a wonderful wrestler, Cena now has more 5-star matches than he does. Granted, it's 1-0, but still.....I thought it was a 5-star match but it was 90% due to Punk. I though Cena largely held his own in the match. But the build was entirely Punk, meaning the match itself felt like a big deal completely and solely due to Punk, the match centered around Punk, the post match centered around Punk. Cena was a platform, albeit a pretty unsteady one at times during the match, but even so deserves credit for being that, but I'm hoping 5 years from now we're looking at this as Punk's career-defining moment and not just a great one-time match before he was shuffled back to the midcard. It was the kind of match we should be talking about in 25 years, and not just because of what happened in the ring, but the entire spectacle beginning to end (whatever that ends up being) and that's to me what makes it one of the greats.

[58kcfan89]

I thought it was a 5-star match but it was 90% due to Punk. I though Cena largely held his own in the match. But the build was entirely Punk, meaning the match itself felt like a big deal completely and solely due to Punk, the match centered around Punk, the post match centered around Punk. Cena was a platform, albeit a pretty unsteady one at times during the match, but even so deserves credit for being that, but I'm hoping 5 years from now we're looking at this as Punk's career-defining moment and not just a great one-time match before he was shuffled back to the midcard. It was the kind of match we should be talking about in 25 years, and not just because of what happened in the ring, but the entire spectacle beginning to end (whatever that ends up being) and that's to me what makes it one of the greats.

Pretty much how I feel, except I think you have to credit the crowd quite a bit as well. As much of a Punk mark as I am, even I don't think he gets the same reaction anywhere else. Maybe he gets cheered over Cena in NY, LA or wherever, but not as violently as it happened in Chicago (with the possible exception of Hammerstein Ballroom full of ECW fans...).

And if this turns out to be "one great match/moment" before Punk goes back to the midcard upon his return, WWE is dumber than I thought. There's plenty of new fans and excitement over where the company can/will go from here and they'd be stupid not to cash in on Punk's popularity & talent. He needs to be a full-time main eventer, including a big match at WM 28.

I've never had to ask this before, but do they have Blu Ray releases for anything other than Wrestlemania? Cause I'd love to have MITB in all its hi-def glory, at least until they get off their asses & release a CM Punk DVD...

[TrickyNicky]

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[58kcfan89]

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DAMMIT, I was just about to post this :deevee:

The more I think about it, the more I think he's back not too long after SummerSlam. But I'll live if he takes off longer.

Anyone else up for a HHH-Punk match at WM 28?...

[keg in kc]

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[Swanman]

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Colt is a funny bastard, his podcast is really good too (The Art of Wrestling). If you are looking for a good wrestling documentary, he was recently in one called "The Wrestling Road Diaries" that covers him, Bryan Danielson and Sal Rinauro on a ten day roadtrip back when they were all together in ROH right before Dragon left for WWE. It's a great look into their lives as indie wrestlers.

[big nasty kcnut]

bear tube lol that so wrong lol.

[58kcfan89]

According to Wrestling Observer, this is the 5th straight summer where Vince has had some sort of a power struggle angle...

07: Vince's limo blows up, returns after Chris Benoit's death.
08: Raw stage collapses on him during that million dollar giveaway thing.
09: Sold Raw to Donald Trump, ended the angle after stock prices dropped.
10: Nexus attacks Vince, leaves him in a coma.
11: HHH relieves him of his duties.


And on another note, Stone Cold wants WWE to sign Samoa Joe when his TNA contract is up. I have no idea when that's scheduled to happen, but I'd like to see it (assuming he doesn't get the Braden Walker treatment...).

@steveaustinBSR Steve Austin
WWE should sign @SamoaJoe as soon as his TNA contract is up. One of my favorite workers in today's game. Needs a full green light push.

http://twitter.com/#!/steveaustinBSR/status/94246646665330688

[keg in kc]

Yeah, my hope this time is that it's an angle they stick with, and they really are transitioning to HHH permanently on TV, the way they're supposedly beginning to transition behind the scenes (rumor is that HHH has been getting a lot of grooming this year). Vince can still make the occasional appearance, but let the authority Vince character rest in peace.

[58kcfan89]

Punk at an AAW (?) show. I love this dude and this angle.

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[keg in kc]

Punk at an AAW (?) show. I love this dude and this angle.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/354166001.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1311475104&Signature=atMhc32PY1YhcxhpTdEy3CuDkVI%3DI just saw that. I didn't think there was any way in hell they'd go that route. Very cool. Although I still think there's zero chance he shows up at the ROH taping in August. No way do they put their belt on anybody else's TV.

[keg in kc]

Watching video, doesn't look like it was a part of any angle, just Punk showing up at an indy show and cutting a promo for a young guy. Kinda cool, albeit not much related to the WWE.

http://yfrog.com/nq4x5z

Hope this is the start of him just showing up at random events doing random things, rofl.

They could really use stuff like this to boost him into mega-babyface level when he's back. Whether they do that or not, I don't know. I still think in Vince's mind, Punk has to be the heel in all this.

[58kcfan89]

Watching video, doesn't look like it was a part of any angle, just Punk showing up at an indy show and cutting a promo for a young guy. Kinda cool, albeit not much related to the WWE.

http://yfrog.com/nq4x5z

Hope this is the start of him just showing up at random events doing random things, rofl.

They could really use stuff like this to boost him into mega-babyface level when he's back. Whether they do that or not, I don't know. I still think in Vince's mind, Punk has to be the heel in all this.

I'm really enjoying all these random things he's been doing since he won the belt, and I hope they find a way to get the "average" WWE fan to see stuff like this, but I'm not holding my breath.

That said, they need to just make him the anti-hero that he's been the past few weeks. Challenge authority, keep using the "pipe bomb" (mic) to cut people down and let the crowd react how they may depending on the circumstances. Basically, let him keep being CM Punk. The crowd will probably keep cheering him (at least for now), but hopefully WWE doesn't try to make the crowd cheer him.

I hope that made sense.

[keg in kc]

I'm really enjoying all these random things he's been doing since he won the belt, and I hope they find a way to get the "average" WWE fan to see stuff like this, but I'm not holding my breath.

That said, they need to just make him the anti-hero that he's been the past few weeks. Challenge authority, keep using the "pipe bomb" (mic) to cut people down and let the crowd react how they may depending on the circumstances. Basically, let him keep being CM Punk. The crowd will probably keep cheering him (at least for now), but hopefully WWE doesn't try to make the crowd cheer him.

I hope that made sense.I don't think they have to do anything to make the crowd cheer him. He got a bigger pop in Boston than Cena did the week before the PPV. As a babyface. After years of working as a heel. And he made that turn in all of two weeks. He did what Randy Orton has been able (or willing) to do for what, 2 years now? I think for as much trouble as they had getting CM Punk chants going during Raw last week, if he'd been in Green Bay, the reaction for him would have been off the charts.

If they do this right (don't cut him off at the knees, don't force him into a heel role) he's the closest thing to a legitimate superstar that they have. And when i say superstar, I'm talking Rock and Austin level, not the next John Cena, who's the biggest star they have right now, but nothing close to the Attitude era.

But they do have to let him be him. You're right about that.

[chuck02]

Wow you guys are nerds. Do u guys jerk off while u watch these half naked guys touch each other? Grow up Peter Pan.

[keg in kc]

Boy, you sure showed us.

[Al Bundy]

Wrestling related... I think I found Sargent Slaughter's daughter.
http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/BuccaneerBruce/285409_237292316291937_100000335106211_761427_1521511_n.jpg

[58kcfan89]

Wow you guys are nerds. Do u guys jerk off while u watch these half naked guys touch each other? Grow up Peter Pan.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1128/y2jinthehousebyravina07.jpg

Wrestling related... I think I found Sargent Slaughter's daughter.
http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u359/BuccaneerBruce/285409_237292316291937_100000335106211_761427_1521511_n.jpg

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[Reaper16]

Wow you guys are nerds. Do u guys jerk off while u watch these half naked guys touch each other? Grow up Peter Pan.
Yes. We jerk each other off, in fact. Wanna' come, Chuck? Yes, that was a double entendre, Big Boy. That was too.

[58kcfan89]

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[Ultra Peanut]

hey so, um. whoa.

[big nasty kcnut]

I want Cm punk to just appear in different places like on the weather channel or espn.

[Swanman]

Watching video, doesn't look like it was a part of any angle, just Punk showing up at an indy show and cutting a promo for a young guy. Kinda cool, albeit not much related to the WWE.

http://yfrog.com/nq4x5z

Hope this is the start of him just showing up at random events doing random things, rofl.

They could really use stuff like this to boost him into mega-babyface level when he's back. Whether they do that or not, I don't know. I still think in Vince's mind, Punk has to be the heel in all this.

It is obvious the Colt Cabana was working the show, so it's very possible that Punk was just there hanging out with his buddy. From interviews I have listened to, Punk is not the kind of guy to seek the spotlight, although he sure does shine when it is on him.

I love his first line to the kid in the ring......Excuse my language, but you are fucking awesome. Just completely put over the kid, as it should be.

[loochy]

I want Cm punk to just appear in different places like on the weather channel or espn.

Or on the Rachel Ray show.

[keg in kc]

It is obvious the Colt Cabana was working the show, so it's very possible that Punk was just there hanging out with his buddy. From interviews I have listened to, Punk is not the kind of guy to seek the spotlight, although he sure does shine when it is on him.

I love his first line to the kid in the ring......Excuse my language, but you are ****ing awesome. Just completely put over the kid, as it should be.Little more detail on the story I found out yesterday: the kid has cerebral palsy, and barely has any use of his right arm. So it's even a little bit cooler than it seemed initially.

[keg in kc]

Interesting side-note on the PWG show from Saturday. They took the belt off of Claudio, and both he and hero were written (in story) out of the promotion. Meltzer and Alvarez both say on their latest radio show that word they've heard is that they're going straight to the main WWE roster, completely skipping developmental.

[Reaper16]

Interesting side-note on the PWG show from Saturday. They took the belt off of Claudio, and both he and hero were written (in story) out of the promotion. Meltzer and Alvarez both say on their latest radio show that word they've heard is that they're going straight to the main WWE roster, completely skipping developmental.
Wow, how utterly un-WWE to do that.

[keg in kc]

It's WWE. Everything's always subject to change. And hell, since it's been reported, they'll probably send them to FCW out of spite.

I can't wait to see what names they come up with. Probably Hamm Wilson and his partner Swiss Cheese. So they can of course team up and be Hamm and Cheese.

[Swanman]

Little more detail on the story I found out yesterday: the kid has cerebral palsy, and barely has any use of his right arm. So it's even a little bit cooler than it seemed initially.

That's the reason Punk was putting him over so hard. It was a fairly touching little speech he gave.

[Swanman]

It's WWE. Everything's always subject to change. And hell, since it's been reported, they'll probably send them to FCW out of spite.

I can't wait to see what names they come up with. Probably Hamm Wilson and his partner Swiss Cheese. So they can of course team up and be Hamm and Cheese.

If WWE had any balls at all (they probably don't), they wouldn't mess with the names and keep the team name as well. They would immediately be the best pure tag team in the company. CM Punk kept his name from the indies, although obviously he was a bigger name when he jumped (ROH world champion), although Hero and Castagnoli are fairly high up on the ROH ladder.

[keg in kc]

If WWE had any balls at all (they probably don't), they wouldn't mess with the names and keep the team name as well. They would immediately be the best pure tag team in the company. CM Punk kept his name from the indies, although obviously he was a bigger name when he jumped (ROH world champion), although Hero and Castagnoli are fairly high up on the ROH ladder.On the other hand, they've had Tyler Black wrestling as Seth Rollins for what, almost a year now in FCW?

[Swanman]

On the other hand, they've had Tyler Black wrestling as Seth Rollins for what, almost a year now in FCW?

And Jon Moxley as Dean Ambrose, which somehow is a worse name than Seth Rollins. Whoever comes up with the WWE-trademarkable names needs to be run up a burning AIDS tree then doused in antifreeze from a firehose.

[keg in kc]

With CM Punk, I think he finally came to some kind of rights agreement with WWE regarding his name with his new deal, has something to do with merch he's probably getting.

(At least I vaguely remember reading/hearing about that in the last month)

[keg in kc]

The latest....Cena fans: pls stop tweeting me to stop being "mean" to John. If u think I'm mean now, just wait til Survivor Series in NYC.

[Ultra Peanut]

I cannot believe I missed the entirety of this amazing era:

Duzwm9GWSN8

hahaha, my god:

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[4th and Long]

I cannot believe I missed the entirety of this amazing era:

Duzwm9GWSN8

hahaha, my god:

http://i.imgur.com/dJyy6.gif
Holy Gorllia Monsoon's ghost, Batman! It's an Ultra Peanut sighting!
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[BryanBusby]

I already hate this Raw.

[Al Bundy]

I was hoping the Miz would have won it.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

wow how predictable

[Reaper16]

Sure, its predictable. But tell me that a Rey Mysterio vs Alberto Del Rio main event for SummerSlam won't draw like hotcakes in Los Angeles.

[Simply Red]

Wow you guys are nerds. Do u guys jerk off while u watch these half naked guys touch each other? Grow up Peter Pan.

'real-time' facepalm

[Sassy Squatch]

Wow cena vs mysterio for WWE championship.

[Sassy Squatch]

Jr is back!!!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

WWE/HHH/Jim Ross Fail. -as the crowd chants for Punk-

[Sassy Squatch]

Wow. Ryder vs Cole.

[chiefscafan]

Cena will win very predictable

[Reaper16]

Mysterio reversing the STF into an STF on Cena was a legit cool spot.

[chiefscafan]

I agree but you know they are gonna give the title to cena

[dirk digler]

JFC I like Cena but this is stupid.

[chiefscafan]

Wow cena champ wow shock amazement may be new regime same old crap. Really dropped the ball after a great ppv too bad.