Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[BigMeatballDave]

31 attempts vs 17 ...which one lost his job and which won a SB?

Neither of them won a SB. LOL

[petegz28]

Better to win a game ugly than to lose it pretty.

With that said, JSP is spot on. This isn't going to cut it week after week.

It will if we win

[petegz28]

Neither of them won a SB. LOL

He doesnt know that

[petegz28]

31 attempts vs 17 ...which one lost his job and which won a SB?

Neither???

[Sandy Vagina]

... and the great stafford chokes this game away vs Cards by throwing a dink-dunk when they needed more on 4th down... ooops.

[Bearcat]

For starters, to say Kaepernick was the best in the NFL and Smith wasn't far behind, you're comparing 31 attempts and 17 attempts to guys like Brady and Manning who had 60+ last season... so, that's going to skew it in favor of those who didn't attempt nearly as many.

And that goes back to risk/reward... Manning was 42% and had 9 TDs/5 INTs, and Smith had 3 TDs / 1 INT. If you're afraid to take that risk, you'll beat a lot of mediocre teams because you don't turnover the ball, but you won't beat the big boys.

[Hammock Parties]

Funny because he completed a great pass like that today.

Yep he does it about once a game. Not enough. Was a poor throw, too.

[Marcellus]

Yep he does it about once a game. Not enough. Was a poor throw, too.

What up fraud?

[Sandy Vagina]

... and Eli throws up a deep one!!!! for an INT!!! ****, I hate the Broncos.

[Bearcat]

Funny because he completed a great pass like that today.

LMAO

Not being good at something doesn't necessarily mean you can't ever do it.

[Hammock Parties]

What up fraud?

Congrats to Alex Smith for surfing on the tidal wave that is our defense. Cowabunga, dude!

[Marcellus]

LMAO

Not being good at something doesn't necessarily mean you can't ever do it.

Kind of like trolling Alex Smith.

[Baby Lee]

... and Eli throws up a deep one!!!! for an INT!!! ****, I hate the Broncos.

150!!

[JimNasium]

Yep he does it about once a game. Not enough. Was a poor throw, too.

http://hopewearsheels.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/eeyore-1.gif

[OnTheWarpath15]

It will if we win

You're missing the point.

They won't win like this week after week, for all the reasons JSP has already laid out.

[Marcellus]

Congrats to Alex Smith for surfing on the tidal wave that is our defense. Cowabunga, dude!

LMAO like our offense was worse than Flowers.

[Chiefspants]

LMAO like our offense was worse than Flowers.

The Cowboys were held to one offensive touchdown.

With the scheme we have in place, Flowers gave an acceptable performance.

[O.city]

You're missing the point.

They won't win like this week after week, for all the reasons JSP has already laid out.

Exactly.

The offense is still learning its way. Offensively it's taking time to get gelled and rolling, which we all figured it would.

It's good that were winning while that's happening, but it's eventually gonna have to get rollingo

[petegz28]

You're missing the point.

They won't win like this week after week, for all the reasons JSP has already laid out.

Im not missing anything. Not saying jsp, but a lot of the people crying have been crying since we traded for Smith and right now, right now we are 2-0. If you listened to some of them we would believe Cassel is Smith, Smith is Cassel. Brand new offense, new QB....2-0.

[Jakemall]

31 attempts vs 17 ...which one lost his job and which won a SB?

Neither won a superbowl...just saying.

[Marcellus]

The Cowboys were held to one offensive touchdown.

With the scheme we have in place, Flowers gave an acceptable performance.

LMAO, Flowers was acceptable and Smith with no OL wasn't?

CP is full retard.

I can even express at this point how fucking stupid this place is.

[Alex Smiff]

... and Eli throws up a deep one!!!! for an INT!!! ****, I hate the Broncos.

See what happens when you can't ride your defense?

[Alex Smiff]

LMAO, Flowers was acceptable and Smith with no OL wasn't?

CP is full retard.

I can even express at this point how ****ing stupid this place is.

You know, he could help out his line by actually like you know....throw the ball downfield?

[Marcellus]

You know, he could help out his line by actually like you know....throw the ball downfield?

Yea the one step drop pass is all the rage in the NFL idiot.

[Brock]

It will if we win

That will not be good enough in philadelphia.

[petegz28]

You know, he could help out his line by actually like you know....throw the ball downfield?

Yeah because his stat line is what it's all about

[Alex Smiff]

... and the great stafford chokes this game away vs Cards by throwing a dink-dunk when they needed more on 4th down... ooops.

Most QBs can't ride their defense and running game to wins in this league.

[petegz28]

That will not be good enough in philadelphia.

We would have said the same about Dallas as well.........

[OnTheWarpath15]

Why is the line being blamed?

Alex sucked today at reading the blitz and coverages, and held the ball too long.

Event the broadcast mentioned it several times.

Hopefully he can get it cleaned up on a short week, because we're going to need a lot of points on Thursday.

[Jakemall]

You know, he could help out his line by actually like you know....throw the ball downfield?

http://abload.de/img/bf0gqnjcmaexwselcq0y.jpg

If you bother to break it down, you'd see that Alex gets about as many yards per completion as Brady, P. Manning and Rogers...not horrible company. It looks even better when you go by per attempt.

That's about 12 yards just for the record.

[jspchief]

LMAO, Flowers was acceptable and Smith with no OL wasn't?

CP is full retard.

I can even express at this point how fucking stupid this place is.

IMO, the way the team defended Bryant in the first qtr was not ok. The defensive scheme has to react quicker when one our CBs needs help.

See how that works? You can recognize things that need improvement even after a win.

[Brock]

We would have said the same about Dallas as well.........

The chiefs will have to keep pace with that offense. I don't think 200/2 tds will cut it in this game.

[Hammock Parties]

If you bother to break it down, you'd see that Alex gets about as many yards per completion as Brady, P. Manning and Rogers...

Cherry picking, much? Look at all of his attempts.

He's near the bottom of the league in yards per completion every year.

Something like 24th with the 49ers the last two seasons.

This year just about dead last so far.

[O.city]

Why is the line being blamed?

Alex sucked today at reading the blitz and coverages, and held the ball too long.

Event the broadcast mentioned it several times.

Hopefully he can get it cleaned up on a short week, because we're going to need a lot of points on Thursday.

Seeing it live, the ol wasn't good in the first half. Whether that was I. Smith for not movin protection or the ol getting beat, I dunno.

But I didn't feel he held the ball to long

[Jakemall]

Cherry picking, much? Look at all of his attempts.

He's near the bottom of the league in yards per completion every year.

Something like 24th with the 49ers the last two seasons.

This year just about dead last so far.

Not cherry picking...people were talking about performance under pressure.

[Alex Smiff]

Yea the one step drop pass is all the rage in the NFL idiot.

If you don't understand just say you don't understand.

[O.city]

Cherry picking, much? Look at all of his attempts.

He's near the bottom of the league in yards per completion every year.

Something like 24th with the 49ers the last two seasons.

This year just about dead last so far.

Cherry picking.

From you, this is lulz

[Planetman]

http://s10.postimg.org/amrpenfmf/Smith2_Avery.gif

Looks like a throw and catch to me. Any scrutiny beyond that requires an agenda.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO like our offense was worse than Flowers.

Dude.

We held a potent offense to 16 points, AND forced a turnover that set up the offense for a long 9-yard drive to what turned out to be a game-winning field goal.

Defense fucking rocked my socks off.

[ViperVisor]

29% of the time teams still manage to lose when the defense has a good day like today.


http://i.imgur.com/XaeHB1c.jpg

[Marcellus]

Why is the line being blamed?

Alex sucked today at reading the blitz and coverages, and held the ball too long.

Event the broadcast mentioned it several times.

Hopefully he can get it cleaned up on a short week, because we're going to need a lot of points on Thursday.

Why is the OL being blamed for playing like shit?

I suppose it has something to do with playing like shit. But thats just me.

[Jakemall]

Cherry picking.

From you, this is lulz

Not to mention that it was appropriate to pick out plays under pressure, when we're talking about how Alex needs to burn people when he's getting pressure. Duh.

[Hammock Parties]

Cherry picking.

From you, this is lulz

No. I look at all the attempts.

And the entirety of Alex's career. Not just his two "good" seasons where he threw for like 17 whopping TDs.

[petegz28]

Cherry picking, much? Look at all of his attempts.

He's near the bottom of the league in yards per completion every year.

Something like 24th with the 49ers the last two seasons.

This year just about dead last so far.

Says the King Cherry Picker

[Bearcat]

Im not missing anything. Not saying jsp, but a lot of the people crying have been crying since we traded for Smith and right now, right now we are 2-0. If you listened to some of them we would believe Cassel is Smith, Smith is Cassel. Brand new offense, new QB....2-0.

A game against the worst team in the league and against a mediocre team isn't really relevant. Smith isn't 2012 Cassel... he's not throwing to wide open defenders, he doesn't curl up into the fetal position when there's a blitz... but, he had good games against bad-mediocre teams... probably consecutively a few times, too.

[Marcellus]

No. I look at all the attempts.

And the entirety of Alex's career. Not just his two "good" seasons where he threw for like 17 whopping TDs.

So he is on track for 32 now right?

[Hammock Parties]

So he is on track for 32 now right?

Sure. I remember when Cassel was on pace to throw for 4,000 yards.

[petegz28]

A game against the worst team in the league and against a mediocre team isn't really relevant. Smith isn't 2012 Cassel... he's not throwing to wide open defenders, he doesn't curl up into the fetal position when there's a blitz... but, he had good games against bad-mediocre teams... probably consecutively a few times, too.

The nfl made the schedule, we are 2-0 with 0 turnovers and 100% in the red zone, i do believe

[jspchief]

...people were talking about performance under pressure. No they weren't.

They were talking about how the fact that Smith very rarely threatens deep allows teams to stack the box and blitz with little risk.

[Chiefspants]

LMAO, Flowers was acceptable and Smith with no OL wasn't?

CP is full retard.

I can even express at this point how ****ing stupid this place is.

Look, when you have an attacking defense, there are going to be breakdowns and big games when you're relying on 1 on 1 coverage.

Flowers had a lot of shut down games in Crennel's scheme. Heck, remember when we held Wes Welker to two catches when he was with the high flying Patriot offense?

Hard to praise that effort when we lost that game 31-3, huh?

If we're going to have to give up a few of these big games to have a better defensive performance as a whole, so be it. It's nice to be on the attack for a change.

[petegz28]

Sure. I remember when Cassel was on pace to throw for 4,000 yards.

Dude just quit qith Cassel. You look like an idiot.

[Marcellus]

Sure. I remember when Cassel was on pace to throw for 4,000 yards.

I remember when you were sucking Damon Huard's cock while licking Davard Darling's ballsack.

Like you are some football genious.

[Marcellus]

Look, when you have an attacking defense, there are going to be breakdowns and big games when you're relying on 1 on 1 coverage.

Flowers had a lot of shut down games in Crennel's scheme. Heck, remember when we held Wes Welker to two catches when he was with the high flying Patriot offense?

Hard to praise that effort when we lost that game 31-3, huh?

If we're going to have to give up a few of these big games to have a better defensive performance as a whole, so be it. It's nice to us attacking for a change.

Watch out, something just flew over your head.

[Chiefspants]

Watch out, something just flew over your head.

ROFL

Whatever gets you through the night.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why is the OL being blamed for playing like shit?

I suppose it has something to do with playing like shit. But thats just me.

We'd better draft some more fatties then.

[Sandy Vagina]

LMAO ... Eli with a 53 passer rating... but... but he threw 360 yards! :thumb:

[petegz28]

Look, when you have an attacking defense, there are going to be breakdowns and big games when you're relying on 1 on 1 coverage.

Flowers had a lot of shut down games in Crennel's scheme. Heck, remember when we held Wes Welker to two catches when he was with the high flying Patriot offense?

Hard to praise that effort when we lost that game 31-3, huh?

If we're going to have to give up a few of these big games to have a better defensive performance as a whole, so be it. It's nice to be on the attack for a change.

Now apply that to our offfense. It's nice to see us not turn the ball over and actually score TD's when we get in the red zone, for a change.

[BigMeatballDave]

Sure. I remember when Cassel was on pace to throw for 4,000 yards.

What are you going to do with all that spare time you're about to have? :D

[jspchief]

LMAO ... Eli with a 53 passer rating... but... but he threw 360 yards! :thumb:

Let's ignore context

[petegz28]

Let's ignore context

What was his excuse for his other 3 picks?

[Marcellus]

Let's ignore context

The loss?

[Sandy Vagina]

Let's ignore context

Oh, then do share with us your Elijexcuses... :)

[Marcellus]

We are 2-0 our QB has 4 TD's and 0 turnovers and the collective CP vagina hurts.

LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

What are you going to do with all that spare time you're about to have? :D

My life isn't Chiefsplanet.

[Marcellus]

My life isn't Chiefsplanet.

Thats because you dont have a life.

[BigMeatballDave]

My life isn't Chiefsplanet.

156,000 posts say otherwise...

[jspchief]

What was his excuse for his other 3 picks?

Did you watch the game? If you did, you saw that it was close until Denver scored 21 points in 5 minutes through no fault of Eli.

Suddenly down by 4 scores, with a little over 1 qtr to play, you have to take some risks. CONTEXT

[petegz28]

We are 2-0 our QB has 4 TD's and 0 turnovers and the collective CP vagina hurts.

LMAO

It's rather psychotic when you get down to it. I don't think any of us are saying Smith = Payeton but it's like unless we win 30-0 against the Packers with 400 passing yards and 200 running yards, it's not good enough

[petegz28]

Did you watch the game? If you did, you saw that it was close until Denver scored 21 points in 5 minutes through no fault of Eli.

Suddenly down by 4 scores, with a little over 1 qtr to play, you have to take some risks. CONTEXT

Dude, he had 4 picks. The team has 10 turnovers in 2 games. CONTEXT He also threw a pick at the end of the 1st half that would have put them ahead. CONTEXT

[Rausch]

We are 2-0 our QB has 4 TD's and 0 turnovers and the collective CP vagina hurts.

LMAO

This team reminds me a lot of DV's 2nd year.

There's a ton of talent here and the new boss just doesn't know how to use it yet...

[jspchief]

Dude, he had 4 picks. The team has 10 turnovers in 2 games. CONTEXT He also threw a pick at the end of the 1st half that would have put them ahead. CONTEXT

Oh, he played poorly. Particularly after the Denver scoring burst.

But its intellectually dishonest to try and use that game as a defense for Alex Smith's checkdown love affair.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

What are you going to do with all that spare time you're about to have? :D

He will get laid more I bet.

[Bearcat]

We are 2-0 and the collective CP vagina hurts.

LMAO

Those who aren't excited over beating two teams that probably won't see the post season are just looking at the big picture. It's just kind of amazing how many times this happens & the outcome is always failure, yet people still get fooled..... 2003, let's ignore that lack of defense thing.... 2006, let's ignore that lack of offense thing... 2010, let's ignore the fact they didn't really beat anyone and that QB thing... 2013, OMG THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN LAST TIME!!!

[petegz28]

Oh, he played poorly. Particularly after the Denver scoring burst.

But its intellectually dishonest to try and use that game as a defense for Alex Smith's checkdown love affair.

Is it? Is it really? 0 turnovers....2-0. 10 turnovers...0-2, including a loss to a team we beat today. When you turn the ball over, you lose.

[GordonGekko]

Dude.

We held a potent offense to 16 points, AND forced a turnover that set up the offense for a long 9-yard drive to what turned out to be a game-winning field goal.

Defense ****ing rocked my socks off.

This.

The offense did just enough, but the defense won this one.

I give credit to AS and the Chiefs offense where it is due, and getting Bowe a TD (finally) was great.

The running game did not look good this week, and this gives me serious concerns.

But still, a W is a fucking W!

[Bearcat]

Did you watch the game? If you did, you saw that it was close until Denver scored 21 points in 5 minutes through no fault of Eli.

Suddenly down by 4 scores, with a little over 1 qtr to play, you have to take some risks. CONTEXT

We should continue comparing a QB who had one lousy game and has also won 2 SBs, so maybe he knows what it takes to win in the NFL to someone who's won one playoff game in his career but had a couple of good games against inferior competition... and with no turnovers! ALLCAPS

[Cannibal]

Considering how the line blocked, Smith had a great game, IMO. He was a major reason w won the game. He made chicken salad out of chickenshit several times.

[FringeNC]

I don't know. I didn't keep track.

That doesn't really address the point I was trying to make anyway. Just like the pff stat doesn't.


If all this offense does is throw short and run, defenses won't be afraid to stack the box and blitz/run blitz. They will crowd the short field and leave their corners 1 on 1. It makes what the KC offense is currently doing that much harder. The defenses will be more than happy to put 9 in the box and stuff runs and pressure the QB knowing that Smith's counter is only a short pass.

Start putting some back shoulder throws on our receivers for big gains, and suddenly the safeties are forced to pick their poison. Hell, Dallas forced us to change our scheme doing just that.

And don't give me excuses about not having the receivers. You don't need Calvin Johnson with a 5 yard lead to put a scare in the defense. Testing a 1 on 1 matchup can net you a big catch, a PI, or just enough threat to make those safeties back up or slide outside.

Is it a 1-1 matchup if there is pressure without a blitz?

[GordonGekko]

Considering how the line blocked, Smith had a great game, IMO. He was a major reason w won the game. He made chicken salad out of chickenshit several times.

I disagree.

Had our D played anything but great, this game easily could have been 2 td's in favor in Dallas, and you know it.

Dallas had 37 total yards rushing, and still only lost by one. Our defense played HUGE today, and deserve any and all credit.

[Sandy Vagina]

We should continue comparing a QB who had one lousy game and has also won 2 SBs, so maybe he knows what it takes to win in the NFL to someone who's won one playoff game in his career but had a couple of good games against inferior competition... and with no turnovers! ALLCAPS

Read back to see who if anyone is even comparing them. Just saying, he threw for lots of yards and lost.. again.

OMG THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN LAST TIME!!!

... and yeah, for shame to the KC fans showing excitement after winning their first two games. They should always remember years past with different personnel and coaching that has disappointed them and transfer that negativity to the present and future. Awesome! :doh!:

[jspchief]

Is it a 1-1 matchup if there is pressure without a blitz?

Yes. Often.

That's my point. Teams are leaving their CBs on an island with our wideouts because they know its unlikely Smith will test that matchup.

[Marcellus]

Those who aren't excited over beating two teams that probably won't see the post season are just looking at the big picture. It's just kind of amazing how many times this happens & the outcome is always failure, yet people still get fooled..... 2003, let's ignore that lack of defense thing.... 2006, let's ignore that lack of offense thing... 2010, let's ignore the fact they didn't really beat anyone and that QB thing... 2013, OMG THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN LAST TIME!!!

You think Dallas is bad team?

You think going 2-0 is easy?

Guess what, we still have another 15 weeks to get better. We aren't restricted to what we are right this minute.

Sorry if you just want to look for the shit in life. I have enough stress at work etc...dont need to inject undo stress into my football watching hobby.

[Rausch]

Yes. Often.

That's my point. Teams are leaving their CBs on an island with our wideouts because they know its unlikely Smith will test that matchup beyond 10 yards.

FYP...

[Baby Lee]

Those who aren't excited over beating two teams that probably won't see the post season are just looking at the big picture. It's just kind of amazing how many times this happens & the outcome is always failure, yet people still get fooled..... 2003, let's ignore that lack of defense thing.... 2006, let's ignore that lack of offense thing... 2010, let's ignore the fact they didn't really beat anyone and that QB thing... 2013, OMG THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN LAST TIME!!!

WHO said that? WHO?!?!

Those problems were clearly identified AT THE TIME by PLENTY of people.

[GordonGekko]

... and yeah, for shame to the KC fans showing excitement after winning their first two games. They should always remember years past with different personnel and coaching that has disappointed them and transfer that negativity to the present and future. Awesome! :doh!:

Umm actually yes.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[petegz28]

FYP...

He completed 9 passes for 10+ yards

[Marcellus]

Umm actually yes.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Not much on this team tied to the past other than a few players and the name.

Its pretty ironic because this fan base is stuck in the past, good or bad, they are fully and completely stuck in the past.

[Sandy Vagina]

Umm actually yes.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

"those who choose to wallow in misery and expect failure are cowards with no heart."

[Rausch]

He completed 9 passes for 10+ yards

Attempted at or beyond or completions?...

[Alex Smiff]

Did you watch the game? If you did, you saw that it was close until Denver scored 21 points in 5 minutes through no fault of Eli.

Suddenly down by 4 scores, with a little over 1 qtr to play, you have to take some risks. CONTEXT

They expected checkdowns while being down 3 scores.

[petegz28]

Attempted at or beyond or completions?...

completed, I said...as in they were complete passes

[jspchief]

WHO said that? WHO?!?!

Those problems were clearly identified AT THE TIME by PLENTY of people.

There were a handful of people critical of Cassels play in 2010, that were routinely dismissed in the same way criticisms of Smith are being dismissed today.

We're winning!
TD:INT ratio!

[Marcellus]

There were a handful of people critical of Cassels play in 2010, that were routinely dismissed in the same way criticisms of Smith are being dismissed today.

We're winning!
TD:INT ratio!

Anyone who cant watch the games and see the difference is a fucking fool.

[Rausch]

completed, I said...as in they were complete passes

Passes thrown beyond 10 yards.

Not passes that became 10 yard gains...

[Hammock Parties]

There were a handful of people critical of Cassels play in 2010, that were routinely dismissed in the same way criticisms of Smith are being dismissed today.

We're winning!
TD:INT ratio!

Yep. Who could forget the fraud debates...

[petegz28]

Passes thrown beyond 10 yards.

Not passes that became 10 yard gains...

JFC, dude you need help.

[GordonGekko]

"those who choose to wallow in misery and expect failure are cowards with no heart."

I suppose you are talking about yourself?

[Sandy Vagina]

I suppose you are talking about yourself?

Uhm... that is your conclusion? I am happy and expecting success.. and THAT is your conclusion? Oh my... we have a special kind of stupid from you here. :thumb:

[Marcellus]

Yep. Who could forget the fraud debates...

Explain how the beginning of the 2010 season and QB performance is similar.

Through 2 games in 2010 Cassel had 1 TD 2 INT's and 244 yards passing.

Keep on keeping on.

[GordonGekko]

Uhm... that is your conclusion? I am happy and expecting success.. and THAT is your conclusion? Oh my... we have a special kind of stupid from you here. :thumb:

Lol, you are not even a fan of the Chiefs. Kindly go fist and fuck yourself sir.

[Hammock Parties]

Explain how the beginning of the 2010 season and QB performance is similar.


The beginning, no. Later on, yes.

[Sandy Vagina]

Lol, you are not even a fan of the Chiefs. Kindly go fist and F yourself sir.

pretty certain I am more a fan than some here... eat shit and die, chicken-little...

[Marcellus]

The beginning, no. Later on, yes.

OK so you got nothing and you edited out my proof.

Clay is going down like a $2 hooker this year. Buy your tickets folks.

[jspchief]

Anyone who cant watch the games and see the difference is a fucking fool.

Difference between Smith and Cassel? No question. Smith is light years beyond Cassel. In pretty much every way I can think of.

I'm not saying Smith is Cassel. I'm saying that there are things about Smith's game, the playcalling, or both that make me see areas that need improvement. The only comparison is in the way some fans refuse to acknowledge those issues by glossing them over with the same excuses used to gloss over Cassel's shortcomings.

[DenverChief]

Explain how the beginning of the 2010 season and QB performance is similar.

Through 2 games in 2010 Cassel had 1 TD 2 INT's and 244 yards passing.

Keep on keeping on.

Never interject fact in an emotions debate

[GordonGekko]

pretty certain I am more a fan than some here... eat shit and die, chicken-little...

Haha I'm sure you will first.

[BigMeatballDave]

Difference between Smith and Cassel? No question. Smith is light years beyond Cassel. In pretty much every way I can think of.

I'm not saying Smith is Cassel. I'm saying that there are things about Smith's game, the playcalling, or both that make me see areas that need improvement. The only comparison is in the way some fans refuse to acknowledge those issues by glossing them over with the same excuses used to gloss over Cassel's shortcomings.Fair assessment.

[Marcellus]

Difference between Smith and Cassel? No question. Smith is light years beyond Cassel. In pretty much every way I can think of.

I'm not saying Smith is Cassel. I'm saying that there are things about Smith's game, the playcalling, or both that make me see areas that need improvement. The only comparison is in the way some fans refuse to acknowledge those issues by glossing them over with the same excuses used to gloss over Cassel's shortcomings.

So you say there s a huge difference but your issue is with people that cant see the similarities?

That is fucking genius.

[Brock]

pretty certain I am more a fan than some here... eat shit and die, chicken-little...

Most people here have posted through a ten year nightmare. Come back and tell us what a great fan you are when you've done that.

[FringeNC]

Anyone who cant watch the games and see the difference is a ****ing fool.

It doesn't matter, really. Reid obviously didn't like any of the touted college QBs, and went with a guy he thought he could win with, and so far is 2-0 with that guy. There are better QBs in the league than Alex Smith, no doubt, but among available options, Reid chose Alex Smith.

The Dorsey/Reid/Smith regime has already won as many games this year as we won all of last year. It's hard for me to get worked up over the fact that Alex Smith may not have what it takes to win in the playoffs if none of the other QBs available had what it takes either.

[Rausch]

Explain how the beginning of the 2010 season and QB performance is similar.

Through 2 games in 2010 Cassel had 1 TD 2 INT's and 244 yards passing.

Keep on keeping on.

If anything he reminds me of Green.

Willing to do anything for a 1st down. Holds the ball too long. Has the arm to make all the throws just not sure if/when he should make them. Has yet to develop confidence in his WR's.

Some of this will get better with time. The more he learns to trust his WR's the better he'll be...

[jspchief]

So you say there s a huge difference but your issue is with people that cant see the similarities?

That is fucking genius.

That's not what I said at all.

Huge difference in the QBs.

Glaring similarity in the way some of you choose to gloss over deficiencies.

[Sandy Vagina]

Most people here have posted through a ten year nightmare. Come back and tell us what a great fan you are when you've done that.

doesn't matter how long... fans have faith in their teams and don't become quitting lil babies. Once that happens, one is no longer a fan... just a jaded lil puss that sits in the corner and wails.

[Marcellus]

That's not what I said at all.

Huge difference in the QBs.

Glaring similarity in the way some of you choose to gloss over deficiencies.

You need to start reading what you are posting.

[jspchief]

doesn't matter how long... fans have faith in their teams and don't become quitting lil babies. Once that happens, one is no longer a fan... just a jaded lil puss that sits in the corner and wails.

Who's quitting?

[Brock]

doesn't matter how long... fans have faith in their teams and don't become quitting lil babies. Once that happens, one is no longer a fan... just a jaded lil puss that sits in the corner and wails.

Thanks for the view from seventh grade. True fan bullshit.

[Marcellus]

If anything he reminds me of Green.

Willing to do anything for a 1st down. Holds the ball too long. Has the arm to make all the throws just not sure if/when he should make them. Has yet to develop confidence in his WR's.

Some of this will get better with time. The more he learns to trust his WR's the better he'll be...

I will take Trent Green. And that's not a bad comparison except Smith is more athletic and will run more.

[Alex Smiff]

doesn't matter how long... fans have faith in their teams and don't become quitting lil babies. Once that happens, one is no longer a fan... just a jaded lil puss that sits in the corner and wails.

You sure you're a 9er fan?

[Marcellus]

Thanks for the view from seventh grade. True fan bullshit.

I think Tue Fan is a 6th grade level insult so there is that.

[petegz28]

Difference between Smith and Cassel? No question. Smith is light years beyond Cassel. In pretty much every way I can think of.

I'm not saying Smith is Cassel. I'm saying that there are things about Smith's game, the playcalling, or both that make me see areas that need improvement. The only comparison is in the way some fans refuse to acknowledge those issues by glossing them over with the same excuses used to gloss over Cassel's shortcomings.

So 2 games into a new season with a new QB and a new offense and we have areas that need work. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. What I see is a bunch of people downplaying everything Alex does, calling him Cassel and otherwise trying to shit all over a 2-0 start.

[Sandy Vagina]

You sure you're a 9er fan?

watching now with adrenaline pumping the heart quick-like... yes.

[Brock]

I think Tue Fan is a 6th grade level insult so there is that.

Good to know

[Hammock Parties]

OK so you got nothing and you edited out my proof.


I didn't specifically compare Week 1/2 Cassel to Week 1/2 Smith.

But if you look at Cassel's best games from 2010, I really don't think we're going to get more than that from Smith.

[Hammock Parties]

I will take Trent Green. And that's not a bad comparison except Smith is more athletic and will run more.

And throw down the field less, and with less accuracy. And be shitty on third down.

[Tribal Warfare]

I will take Trent Green. And that's not a bad comparison except Smith is more athletic and will run more.

of course Green is a semifinalist to HOF

Alex is not in Green's league. His ceiling is Steve Bono

[petegz28]

And throw down the field less, and with less accuracy. And be shitty on third down.

2 totally different offenses

[Rausch]

of course Green is a semifinalist to HOF


What the fuck ever...

[GordonGekko]

Who's quitting?

No one is. He is just some self-righteous retard trying to be a fan of two teams and living that kind of luxury. F him.

[petegz28]

of course Green is a semifinalist to HOF

Alex is not in Green's league. His ceiling is Steve Bono

Bono never won a playoff game

[Whosurdaddy]

My life isn't Chiefsplanet.

http://i.imgur.com/XAxaV.gif

[Marcellus]

of course Green is a semifinalist to HOF

Alex is not in Green's league. His ceiling is Steve Bono

WTF is wrong with you idiots?

What makes people so stupid?

[FringeNC]

of course Green is a semifinalist to HOF

Alex is not in Green's league. His ceiling is Steve Bono

Steve Bono? Did the guy ever even complete 55% of his passes?

[Sandy Vagina]

WTF is wrong with you idiots?

What makes people so stupid?

Poor genetics... drug use.. and a whole lot of toxic hate.

[Mav]

I'm thinking he gets hurt pretty soon as much as he's running.

He's not too bright.

I mean it's great that we're winning, but the Chargers won today because their QB threw for 419 yards and 3 TD.

That's what it took. To beat the Eagles. Whom we play in 4 days.

Gives you pause, no?
Not really, unless you are under some delusion that the Chargers defense, is on the level of the Chiefs.........do you?
And throw down the field less, and with less accuracy. And be shitty on third down.

Sighs.......

[Marcellus]

I am literally LMAO at the recent detractors in this thread.

What a bunch of fucking clueless morons. I hope I can sleep tonight with all the comedy.

JFC LMAO

[Tribal Warfare]

WTF is wrong with you idiots?

What makes people so stupid?

Weren't you an avid Cassel supporter?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I disagree.

Had our D played anything but great, this game easily could have been 2 td's in favor in Dallas, and you know it.

Dallas had 37 total yards rushing, and still only lost by one. Our defense played HUGE today, and deserve any and all credit.

Now, now, the True Fan Parade is in full swing, sir. HOW DARE YOU?!?!?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Weren't you an avid Cassel supporter?

Yes the little turd-whacker was.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I am literally LMAO at the recent detractors in this thread.

What a bunch of fucking clueless morons. I hope I can sleep tonight with all the comedy.

JFC LMAO

And now the seething-Dane smileys kick in.

Golden.

[Marcellus]

Weren't you an avid Cassel supporter?

Early yes, later no.

If you think they are the same that's not my lack of intelligence in play here.

[Marcellus]

And now the seething-Dane smileys kick in.

Golden.

What? JFC you are dumb.

[Tribal Warfare]

Early yes, later no.

If you think they are the same that's not my lack of intelligence in play here.

Enough said

[Marcellus]

Enough said

Like I said if you cant tell the difference its not my fault.


You lack the ability to have original thought, not my problem.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Early yes, later no.

If you think they are the same that's not my lack of intelligence in play here.

I can not deny that he is not the stark raving, idiot-tard that Cassel is, but we've had a taste of what happens when Axl faces an elite defense. He is what he is:

The 8/8 Golden Guy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What? JFC you are dumb.

And now Dane's schtick.

Golden.

[Marcellus]

I can not deny that he is not the stark raving, idiot-tard that Cassel is, but we've had a taste of what happens when Axl faces an elite defense. He is what he is:

The 8/8 Golden Guy.

2-0. You think we go 6-8 to finish? Put your money where your cock sucker is.

[Marcellus]

And now Dane's schtick.

Golden.

The irony is you have no idea how much me and Dane hate each other. Further proving your ignorance.

[Tribal Warfare]

Like I said if you cant tell the difference its not my fault.


You lack the ability to have original thought, not my problem.

Really, man? Wow that's an amazing deduction from a person who thinks that any starting QB who wears the Arrowhead on his helmet will be an instant balls out Franchise QB.

[Marcellus]

Really, man? Wow that's an amazing deduction from a person who thinks that any starting QB who wears the Arrowhead on his helmet will be an instant balls out Franchise QB.

Again showing your ignorance of my opinions the last 10 years.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

2-0. You think we go 6-8 to finish? Put your money where your cock sucker is.

I've reached my bet-quota for the season, thanks.

[Tribal Warfare]

Again showing your ignorance of my opinions the last 10 years.

Wearing that Cassel strong aren't we

[Marcellus]

I've reached my bet-quota for the season, thanks.

In other words you don't believe in what you believe.

Makes sense since you are a fool.

[Marcellus]

Wearing that Cassel strong aren't we

?? Cassel equals 10 years? Wow!

[BigMeatballDave]

His ceiling is Steve BonoLMAO
Horrible comparison.

You've never seen Bono play, obviously.

[Marcellus]

LMAO
Horrible comparison.

You've never seen Bono play, obviously.

Or he is a fucking idiot. He can decide.

[Tribal Warfare]

In other words you don't believe in what you believe.

Makes sense since you are a fool.

groovy, name calling that'll prove your point. WTF, are you talking about I was the one who called out that he wasn't mentally apt to play QB then got flamed for it. Then once it was obvious everyone agreed. Yeah, but keep deflecting.

[Marcellus]

groovy, name calling that'll prove your point. WTF, are you talking about I was the one who called out that he wasn't mentally apt to play QB then got flamed for it. Then once it was obvious everyone agreed. Yeah, but keep deflecting.

Did you actually quote the right post from me? Considering it was a response to the other idiot in this thread BDH I dont get your point.

Notice I said the "other" idiot.

[Tribal Warfare]

LMAO
Horrible comparison.

You've never seen Bono play, obviously.

Yeah, never ever saw Bono play not once ever. :rolleyes:

[ChiefsCountry]

Enjoyed the win but Alex Smith is just Steve DeBerg. We will win some games but a good quarterback will smoke us.

Seeing it in person, Smith's biggest problem is he is way too fucking smart. Seriousally he is just too smart of a person to be a NFL QB. I say that because it effects his game. He just overthinks all the plays too much, it really effects his decision making in the passing game. Other than not having a rocket arm, he is physically fine in a quarterback - its just his risk aversion that makes him about #20 best quarterback instead of a top 10 one.

[Marcellus]

Enjoyed the win but Alex Smith is just Steve DeBerg. We will win some games but a good quarterback will smoke us.

Seeing it in person, Smith's biggest problem is he is way too ****ing smart. Seriousally he is just too smart of a person to be a NFL QB. I say that because it effects his game. He just overthinks all the plays too much, it really effects his decision making in the passing game. Other than not having a rocket arm, he is physically fine in a quarterback - its just his risk aversion that makes him about #20 best quarterback instead of a top 10 one.

You dont think Romo is a good QB?

Looked to me 90% of the time the ball was perfect.

[BigCatDaddy]

The only think Trent Green and Alice have in common are that they are right handed white guys.

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah, never ever saw Bono play not once ever. :rolleyes:

Dude, Smith is light years ahead of what Bono was.

Bono was hot garbage.

[Mav]

Enjoyed the win but Alex Smith is just Steve DeBerg. We will win some games but a good quarterback will smoke us.

Seeing it in person, Smith's biggest problem is he is way too ****ing smart. Seriousally he is just too smart of a person to be a NFL QB. I say that because it effects his game. He just overthinks all the plays too much, it really effects his decision making in the passing game. Other than not having a rocket arm, he is physically fine in a quarterback - its just his risk aversion that makes him about #20 best quarterback instead of a top 10 one.

Don't agree with the first part of this, but the second paragraph, is on point. I have said for YEARS that he is just too smart. That's why he can mentor, and he will make a hell of a coach, but he thinks far too much to just see it, and rip it.

[Marcellus]

Yeah, never ever saw Bono play not once ever. :rolleyes:

So you have no clue what you are looking at then.

You have lost your ass no matter how you look at it.

Stupid fucking comment. Beyond stupid.

[Tribal Warfare]

So you have no clue what you are looking at then.

You have lost your ass no matter how you look at it.

Stupid fucking comment. Beyond stupid.

Really, wow man great retort. Just like the Cassel argument naturally.

[BigMeatballDave]

DeBerg wishes he could have ran like Smith does.

[Mav]

The only think Trent Green and Alice have in common are that they are right handed white guys.

True. Alex Smith has actually won a playoff game.......

[Marcellus]

Really, wow man great retort. Just like the Cassel argument naturally.

Look you are the one who said Smith's ceiling was Bono, dont deflect.

You are a fucking mouth drooling idiot at this point when it comes to QB play.

This place is chock full of idiots and you couldn't get 3 people to agree with that statement.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I don't know how much I can agree with a DeBerg comparison. I just don't see it.

[ChiefsCountry]

You dont think Romo is a good QB?

Looked to me 90% of the time the ball was perfect.

Romo is the gunslinger version of Alex Smith. Both can get you wins but won't get the big ones. Same type of quarterback, just different styles of play.

[Marcellus]

Romo is the gunslinger version of Alex Smith. Both can get you wins but won't get the big ones. Same type of quarterback, just different styles of play.

LMAO OK.

[Mav]

Romo is the gunslinger version of Alex Smith. Both can get you wins but won't get the big ones. Same type of quarterback, just different styles of play.

Romo is so unclutch. I just cant agree with that at all.

Alex Smith is extremely clutch.

[Baby Lee]

Romo is the gunslinger version of Alex Smith. Both can get you wins but won't get the big ones. Same type of quarterback, just different styles of play.

I can't think of two more different players at the same position.

[ChiefsCountry]

I can't think of two more different players at the same position.

I agree with their styles but at the end of the day, same result with heartache for both teams. Romo bonehead and Alex's risk aversion will fuck both teams. Its why neither one are top 10 qbs, which they both have the talent and skill set to be.

[Mav]

I agree with their styles but at the end of the day, same result with heartache for both teams. Romo bonehead and Alex's risk aversion will **** both teams. Its why neither one are top 10 qbs, which they both have the talent and skill set to be.

I guess. Maybe......

But if you ask me, your chance at ultimate success, lies with Alex Smith.

If you had to choose between the two that is. Not that either will. But I would trust alex smith in a big game way before I ever would Tony Romo.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

But if you ask me, your chance at ultimate success, lies with Alex Smith.



I am shocked at this take.

[wink91wink]

Alex Smith has been exactly what I expected. I wasn't thrilled when we traded for him, but I expected him to be able to not turn the ball over, and to lead a few drives a game. Wins are wins no matter how you get them so props to Alex for getting it done! 2-0!

[Sorter]

I've been much more impressed with Alex than I anticipated.

[Tribal Warfare]

Look you are the one who said Smith's ceiling was Bono, dont deflect.

You are a fucking mouth drooling idiot at this point when it comes to QB play.

This place is chock full of idiots and you couldn't get 3 people to agree with that statement.

and Cassel is a Franchise QB right, and you sir are quite eloquent. Damn right, a Alex is a sheer game manager like Bono and he'll be nothing more like Bono he'll flash some talent but Alex will never get us to a Super Bowl or even the AFCC.

[opposition]

and Cassel is a Franchise QB right, and you sir are quite eloquent. Damn right, a sheer game manager nothing more he'll flash but Alex will never get us to a Super Bowl or even the AFCC.

deflected

[Tribal Warfare]

deflected

Deflected, I owned up to the Bono comparison

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

2-0. You think we go 6-8 to finish? Put your money where your cock sucker is.

Despite whatever prediction, expecting a chiefs fan to bet against the chiefs is pretty fucking pathetic. You're reaching

[Mav]

I am shocked at this take.

Why?

When has Tony Romo ever proven to be consistently clutch?

Alex Smith has proven to at the very least, to always give his team a CHANCE.

That's not something that I have seen from Romo in the past decade.

His chokes are frequent. The bobbled fg attempt, the choke against the jets, the choke against the saints last year, the choke against Washington.

[JCharles1981]

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexcassel.gif

http://i.imgur.com/MwBEnUp.jpg

I guess you have officially gone full retard since Alex Smith has gone 2 regular season games with the Chiefs already with 0 interceptions, and no forced fumbles.

[Kaepernick]

Romo is the gunslinger version of Alex Smith. Both can get you wins but won't get the big ones. Same type of quarterback, just different styles of play.

Are you also eligible for a seeing-eye dog?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why?

When has Tony Romo ever proven to be consistently clutch?

Alex Smith has proven to at the very least, to always give his team a CHANCE.

That's not something that I have seen from Romo in the past decade.

His chokes are frequent. The bobbled fg attempt, the choke against the jets, the choke against the saints last year, the choke against Washington.

Out of context. That said, I don't want Romo. Never have, never will.

[buddha]

There is so much suck in this thread...246 page of guys wanting to be right more than wanting the Chiefs to win.

Isn't it just easier to admit that Alex is better than you thought he'd be? Nobody claimed he'd be Dan Marino, but he's 2-0.

[Wallcrawler]

The thing I like, no, LOVE about the guy is that he goes through his progressions, stands in the pocket and delivers the ball. Cassel never did that. He would stare guys down and throw it no matter what the coverage was, or instantly throw the checkdown.

I love that Smith is tough enough to take a sack rather than heave up a prayer that gets picked off.

When watching him, you know that if he throws the ball, there's something there. The guy just refuses to force anything. That can be a double edged sword, but there are so many guys out there that cant stay patient and try to force the ball and they turn it over.

So far, the guy's decision making has been on. I thought he was great in that Cowboys game because he was really getting the shit beat out of him for a stretch there. We couldn't block a damn soul.

When this offense finds a way to get Jamaal Charles some damn carries, Alex is just going to be that much more dangerous when he's not being forced to be one dimensional by the playcalling.

[loochy]

Yesterday, while watching the game, I was getting a bit frustrated with the offense as a whole during the 3rd quarter.

Then it just hit me how much better Smith is than Cassel. I mean he's just light years ahead, despite his shortcomings. Sure, he's no Peyton, but we're stuck with him and he's not all that bad.

[Cephalic Trauma]

Yesterday, while watching the game, I was getting a bit frustrated with the offense as a whole during the 3rd quarter.

Then it just hit me how much better Smith is than Cassel. I mean he's just light years ahead, despite his shortcomings. Sure, he's no Peyton, but we're stuck with him and he's not all that bad.

So you're saying he's somewhere between Cassel and Peyton... Thanks for pointing that seemingly elusive concept out to me.

:p

[Bearcat]

There is so much suck in this thread...246 page of guys wanting to be right more than wanting the Chiefs to win.

Isn't it just easier to admit that Alex is better than you thought he'd be? Nobody claimed he'd be Dan Marino, but he's 2-0.

When he proves he's more than who I think he is, I'll happily admit it. He's better than 2012 Cassel, but Tyler Palko wouldn't have been much worse. Beating a terrible team and a mediocre team doesn't prove he's any better than 2010 Cassel, even though there are obviously improvements when it comes to pocket awareness and avoiding a pass rush.

The whole reason guys like Cassel and Smith get starts is that the NFL is incredibly mediocre. FFS, Tim Tebow has won as many playoff games as Alex Smith... winning 8-10 games per season isn't some huge accomplishment in this league, and if that's what you want out of a quarterback, then you should be thrilled, since that's what you'll get. But, everyone who's a "Smith hater" in this thread is looking beyond the first round of the playoffs.

Even one of his biggest 49ers fans said last night that Smith is probably only around to get the Chiefs back to mediocrity so he can then mentor a franchise QB, which would be great.... and if Smith does it himself, even better.... but, not saying the Chiefs have a real QB who's a huge upgrade from any other retread after 2 wins isn't 'hating', it's simply remembering that the Chiefs have been doing this for four decades with no results.

[Sandy Vagina]

JFC... such misery.

[Halfcan]

Alex has kicked ass. He plays with a lot of heart and zero turnovers unlike his replacement in San Fran who has nearly as many turnovers as quarters of football.

He lead the team in rushing yesterday and took what the D offered. This thread needs to be put out its misery.

[loochy]

So you're saying he's somewhere between Cassel and Peyton... Thanks for pointing that seemingly elusive concept out to me.

:p

Oh quiet you. It just hit me all at once how great it is to not have a suck QB.

[Bearcat]

Alex has kicked ass. He plays with a lot of heart and zero turnovers unlike his replacement in San Fran who has nearly as many turnovers as quarters of football.

He lead the team in rushing yesterday and took what the D offered. This thread needs to be put out its misery.

Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night. Comparing games vs potential NFC championship game participants, against what any QB has to do to beat Jacksonville or Dallas, is kind of ridiculous.

[L.A. Chieffan]

San Fran messed up and got rid of the wrong qb. in your face harbaugh and sf fans hahahahah!

[Sandy Vagina]

Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night. Comparing games vs potential NFC championship game participants, against what any QB has to do to beat Jacksonville or Dallas, is kind of ridiculous.

Uhm... like no and stuff. You do not. SF beat GB last season with Alex throwing a brutally efficient 20/26 passes for 211 yards. :doh!:

[Sandy Vagina]

San Fran messed up and got rid of the wrong qb. in your face harbaugh and sf fans hahahahah!

Too early to be saying all that, now. JFC. :)

[Cephalic Trauma]

Oh quiet you. It just hit me all at once how great it is to not have a suck QB.

LMAO

I knew what you meant, but I never pass up the opportunity to be an ass.

[9er guy]

Uhm... like no and stuff. You do not. SF beat GB last season with Alex throwing a brutally efficient 20/26 passes for 211 yards. :doh!:

Beating A-Rodg is about getting pressure and turnovers.

We've done it all three times we've beat them, regardless of who the QB is.

[Sandy Vagina]

Beating A-Rodg is about getting pressure and turnovers.

We've done it all three times we've beat them, regardless of who the QB is.

Well that is certainly one way to look at it in efforts to deflect appreciation from the offense. Well done! :thumb:

[L.A. Chieffan]

Too early to be saying all that, now. JFC. :)

2-0
1-1

[9er guy]

Well that is certainly one way to look at it in efforts to deflect appreciation from the offense. Well done! :thumb:

LOL.......ok

[Bearcat]

Uhm... like no and stuff. You do not. SF beat GB last season with Alex throwing a brutally efficient 20/26 passes for 211 yards. :doh!:

Well, I meant he needed to last week, obviously... of course not every victory over Aaron Rodgers has included an opposing QB passing for 400+ yards. You have to be aggressive, throw down field, and take chances when the other team doing the same thing with success, especially when you're running for 2.6 ypc as they did last week. Do you think Alex Smith would have out-gunned Rodgers last week?

[bishop_74]

And throw down the field less, and with less accuracy. And be shitty on third down.

Jesus.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/1922026/neo-bullet-dodge-o.gif

[Cephalic Trauma]

Too early to be saying all that, now. JFC. :)

LA Chieffan approaches everything with excessive sarcasm. It's his schtick. It's not really funny to most, but I guess some people like it:shrug:.

[l4z4rd]

Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night.

you don't need over 400 yards to beat Rodgers and the Packers. Smith beat them in last season's opener with 211 yards.

[loochy]

2-0
1-1

OMG put him in the HOF

[duncan_idaho]

Alex has kicked ass. He plays with a lot of heart and zero turnovers unlike his replacement in San Fran who has nearly as many turnovers as quarters of football.

He lead the team in rushing yesterday and took what the D offered. This thread needs to be put out its misery.

It's hard for me to swing much praise for lack of TOs when Dallas dropped how many picks yesterday?

Two, including one that would have been housed and given the Cowboys the lead.

Smith has been adequate. Fine. Solid.

"Kicking ass" is an extreme stretch. Maybe compared to Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn/Brody Croyle/Tyler Palko, but not compared to legitimate NFL starting QBs.

Chiefs fans have been watching QBs who ride the short bus for too long. Alex Smith rides on the long bus, but he's the guy sitting at the front of the bus, longingly looking at all the cool kids in the back.

[Carlota69]

Do you any of you A Smith haters in this place realize that its the 2nd game of new offense? New Players, new system, 2 games??? Kapertat has been his is offensive system for going on 3 years now. Alex, 2 games with all new recievers, coaches, etc etc...

While he may never throw for 400 yards, maybe not even 350, lets give the team sometime to get the offense together. **** people, were winning right now and you all want to bitch about the QB, who by the way is directly responsible for one of the TDs (opening drive), therefore has a little something to do with the win. Just a little....

****ing A this place is full of whiny little bitches who think they know more about football then the people who get paid to do football.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Do you any of you A Smith haters in this place realize that its the 2nd game of new offense? New Players, new system, 2 games??? Kapertat has been his is offensive system for going on 3 years now. Alex, 2 games with all new recievers, coaches, etc etc...

While he may never throw for 400 yards, maybe not even 350, lets give the team sometime to get the offense together. **** people, were winning right now and you all want to bitch about the QB, who by the way is directly responsible for one of the TDs (opening drive), therefore has a little something to do with the win. Just a little....

****ing A this place is full of whiny little bitches who think they know more about football then the people who get paid to do football.

QFT

All that matters is scoreboard bitches.

harbaugh is a clown! carrol owns that fool

[Bearcat]

QFT

All that matters is scoreboard bitches.

harbaugh is a clown! carrol owns that fool

This schtick is starting to grow on me...

[Sandy Vagina]

LA Chieffan approaches everything with excessive sarcasm. It's his schtick. It's not really funny to most, but I guess some people like it:shrug:.

was unaware of this till now, kthx

[Sandy Vagina]

Do you any of you A Smith haters in this place realize that its the 2nd game of new offense? New Players, new system, 2 games???

****ing A this place is full of whiny little bitches who think they know more about football then the people who get paid to do football.

Many of us try to reiterate this, but it's just not sinking in for others.

.... and yes, quite full. :thumb:

[redshirt32]

Defense wins championships!
fuck all this my QB's dick is bigger than yours QB's if we only had one cry me a river BS!

can we at least enjoy win 2-0 start without all the dickless whimpers from arm chair QB's from the planet!

carry on

[Earthling]

Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night.

That would be one way to bear Rodgers but certainly not the only way. One could also make long, sustained, TD drives that eat the clock and keep Rodgers off the field as much as possible.

[l4z4rd]

Under Harbaugh, Smith was 3-0 vs. the Seahawks. 0-2 with 2 blowout losses with Kaepernick.

[petegz28]

Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night. Comparing games vs potential NFC championship game participants, against what any QB has to do to beat Jacksonville or Dallas, is kind of ridiculous.

Uh, we beat him with Kyle Orton and didn't come close to throwing for 400 yards.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

JFC... such long-sighted objectivity against my lover Alex. Please make my butt stop hurting. Excedrin?

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[Sandy Vagina]

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You so stupid. Projecting your own butt-hurt from Alex bending you over the last two weeks. Me? I am happy as **** right now... and the lil crying bitches like yourself can't change that. :p

[L.A. Chieffan]

Under Harbaugh, Smith was 3-0 vs. the Seahawks. 0-2 with 2 blowout losses with Kaepernick.

HARBAUGH HUBRIS! THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING

[Mav]

Did anyone else see that it was the Eagles who pulled out of a possible trade for Colin Kaepernick during the 2012 draft?

[Sandy Vagina]

Did anyone else see that it was the Eagles who pulled out of a possible trade for Colin Kaepernick during the 2012 draft?

I have heard this mentioned, but can't say I read any link for it. (or tried to look into it)

[Bearcat]

FFS, was 'you' instead of 'they' really that confusing, to miss the entire freakin' point?


That would be one way to bear Rodgers but certainly not the only way. One could also make long, sustained, TD drives that eat the clock and keep Rodgers off the field as much as possible.

I meant last week, when the 49ers were rushing for 2.5ypc and the Packers were scoring with 8 play/2:00 minute drives. SF actually had a couple of long drives, but it doesn't really matter when the Packers match it in 2 minutes.




The whole point was that Halfcan wanted to compare Smith's 0 turnovers to Kaepernick's 4 or whatever, ignoring all kinds of stuff like who the 49ers and Chiefs have played and how aggressive Kaepernick's had to be against the teams they've played vs how aggressive Smith's had to be.

Of course Kaepernick has made more mistakes... if he doesn't throw for 400+ yards vs the 49ers, they lose. Smith hasn't had to do that, obviously.

Meh, I'm done with it... a decade ago, it was all "at least we're winning!" when people tried pointing out the terrible, terrible defense, and none of it mattered come playoff time. In 2006, people ignored Herm's offense, and in 2010, people ignored the QB situation and the fact the Chiefs hadn't played anyone. If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

[Marcellus]

I have heard this mentioned, but can't say I read any link for it. (or tried to look into it)

Shefter reported it on countdown yesterday morning.
Found a blog on it. Thsi is almost worthy of its own thread. LMAO Its so far off of what people here have been saying this whole off-season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/86195/schefter-eagles-almost-had-kaepernick

Imagine if San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14001/colin-kaepernick) were quarterbacking the Philadelphia Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles) and not the San Francisco 49ers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sf/san-francisco-49ers). It nearly happened.



In the weeks leading up to the 2012 draft, the Eagles came close to trading a second-round draft pick to the 49ers for Kaepernick, league sources tell ESPN. The 49ers were open to trading him because Alex Smith (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8416/alex-smith) just had led them to the NFC Championship Game and they weren't sure what to do with their now-starting quarterback.

One league source maintains that the Eagles backed out of the proposed deal when they decided they would be able to draft Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14881/russell-wilson), whom they geared their whole draft around, league sources said. But then, just before Philadelphia could draft Wilson, the Seattle Seahawks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks) selected him, leaving the Eagles to take Nick Foles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14877/nick-foles), another quarterback they rated highly, though not nearly as high as Wilson.

So as it turned out, neither Kaepernick nor Wilson wound up in Philadelphia, though each came close in his own way.

And now the two quarterbacks that could have been Eagles square off Sunday night in a game that will help decide the NFC West winner -- all while Chip Kelly, Michael Vick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2549/michael-vick) and the much talked-about Eagles prepare to host the Chargers.

[Sandy Vagina]

If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

You are really trying way too hard to minimize your own QB.... why? so determined to not believe? so determined to distance yourself from potential disappointment that you will cut off your own season enjoyment?

2-0 with lots of new parts... and you say you shouldn't be celebrating? WTF? The offense has had struggles that they shouldn't be having as a new team?

Man... that is some serious hurt from past KC experiences that has made you this cynical and broken. I really hope you can shake it off and stop being so negative... and if you can not? Do you really need to drag everyone else down with you?

[tooge]

Defense wins games. Offense determines by how much. See Seattle.

[Mav]

Yesterday, while watching the game, I was getting a bit frustrated with the offense as a whole during the 3rd quarter.

Then it just hit me how much better Smith is than Cassel. I mean he's just light years ahead, despite his shortcomings. Sure, he's no Peyton, but we're stuck with him and he's not all that bad.
;)
Kaepernick threw for over 400 yards vs the Packers because that's what you have to do when you're playing Aaron Rodgers, and he probably would have needed another 300 last night. Comparing games vs potential NFC championship game participants, against what any QB has to do to beat Jacksonville or Dallas, is kind of ridiculous.
:banghead:
Well, I meant he needed to last week, obviously... of course not every victory over Aaron Rodgers has included an opposing QB passing for 400+ yards. You have to be aggressive, throw down field, and take chances when the other team doing the same thing with success, especially when you're running for 2.6 ypc as they did last week. Do you think Alex Smith would have out-gunned Rodgers last week?

The 49ers offense would of gained more than 2.6 ypc with Alex Smith at qb......

Granted, the Chiefs running game hasn't taken off yet, but that oline for the 49ers is ahead of where the Chiefs is. Alex Smith wouldn't of needed 400 yards passing. And the Packers would of spent a lot more time on the sideline.

[Sandy Vagina]

Shefter reported it on countdown yesterday morning.
Found a blog on it. Thsi is almost worthy of its own thread. LMAO Its so far off of what people here have been saying this whole off-season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/86195/schefter-eagles-almost-had-kaepernick

Imagine if San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14001/colin-kaepernick) were quarterbacking the Philadelphia Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles) and not the San Francisco 49ers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sf/san-francisco-49ers). It nearly happened.



In the weeks leading up to the 2012 draft, the Eagles came close to trading a second-round draft pick to the 49ers for Kaepernick, league sources tell ESPN. The 49ers were open to trading him because Alex Smith (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8416/alex-smith) just had led them to the NFC Championship Game and they weren't sure what to do with their now-starting quarterback.

One league source maintains that the Eagles backed out of the proposed deal when they decided they would be able to draft Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14881/russell-wilson), whom they geared their whole draft around, league sources said. But then, just before Philadelphia could draft Wilson, the Seattle Seahawks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks) selected him, leaving the Eagles to take Nick Foles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14877/nick-foles), another quarterback they rated highly, though not nearly as high as Wilson.

So as it turned out, neither Kaepernick nor Wilson wound up in Philadelphia, though each came close in his own way.

And now the two quarterbacks that could have been Eagles square off Sunday night in a game that will help decide the NFC West winner -- all while Chip Kelly, Michael Vick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2549/michael-vick) and the much talked-about Eagles prepare to host the Chargers.

wow... that's amazing, if true... thanks for the info. Not even sure what to think of it and all its implications just yet.

[Sandy Vagina]

;)



Your sig is really offensive, bro. Come on now... :spock:

[duncan_idaho]

Meh, I'm done with it... a decade ago, it was all "at least we're winning!" when people tried pointing out the terrible, terrible defense, and none of it mattered come playoff time. In 2006, people ignored Herm's offense, and in 2010, people ignored the QB situation and the fact the Chiefs hadn't played anyone. If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

This sums it up pretty well for me.

The team has flaws. Some of them are based on Alex Smith, who has shown some significant, limiting flaws in his play in the past, and who so far in a Chiefs uniform has done jack and shit to dispel them.

I still would like to see Smith reverse course and prove he CAN rise above those flaws, as Andy Reid clearly thought he could when he brought Smith in to "win now" (a statement that doesn't represent 'win 7-10 now,' I'm sure).

I'm just not going to blindly hope for it.

[Bearcat]

You are really trying way too hard to minimize your own QB.... why? so determined to not believe? so determined to distance yourself from potential disappointment that you will cut off your own season enjoyment?

2-0 with lots of new parts... and you say you shouldn't be celebrating? WTF? The offense has had struggles that they shouldn't be having as a new team?

Man... that is some serious hurt from past KC experiences that has made you this cynical and broken. I really hope you can shake it off and stop being so negative... and if you can not? Do you really need to drag everyone else down with you?

Heh, I'm indeed jaded, but I'm really not bogged down with negativity... Smith is who I thought he was. There's no hate, no anti-Smith, but there is anti-retread-mediocre-QB, and that's from 20+ years of watching the Chiefs (well, minus Joe Montana).

I know saying the same stuff over and over makes it seem like I'm desperate to discount anything and everything he does, but I'm really not... I'm just discounting the vibe that after 2 games we can definitely say this is a big upgrade from the last regime (of course, it's a huge upgrade from last year, but that's really not saying much).

Speaking to a new offense, new coaches, etc; is kind of my point... everything I'm saying has 20 years of watching retreads and 8 years of Alex Smith stats backing it up. I'm not saying Smith is just another retread because of the past two games, I'm saying my opinion that was already there hasn't changed after two games... and why should it? He has a new coach, new offense, etc; and they've beaten freakin' Jacksonville and Dallas. Yet, others think it's this huge upgrade.

I'm not the one being swayed by two games... if he proves otherwise (and again, he hasn't really had that chance yet), great; but being sold on him after two games is ludicrous (and yes, not being sold on him solely based on two games is just as ludicrous).

[Mav]

Your sig is really offensive, bro. Come on now... :spock:

Okay. Well first you have to understand something. I learned something last night I didn't know about Pete Carroll. Him and I have the same birthday. Sept 15th.

Second, I called that as a gif as soon as it was on tv. Yeah, its a seahawk and I get that, but dude, its fucking hilarious.....

[Mav]

Heh, I'm indeed jaded, but I'm really not bogged down with negativity... Smith is who I thought he was. There's no hate, no anti-Smith, but there is anti-retread-mediocre-QB, and that's from 20+ years of watching the Chiefs (well, minus Joe Montana).

I know saying the same stuff over and over makes it seem like I'm desperate to discount anything and everything he does, but I'm really not... I'm just discounting the vibe that after 2 games we can definitely say this is a big upgrade from the last regime (of course, it's a huge upgrade from last year, but that's really not saying much).

Speaking to a new offense, new coaches, etc; is kind of my point... everything I'm saying has 20 years of watching retreads and 8 years of Alex Smith stats backing it up. I'm not saying Smith is just another retread because of the past two games, I'm saying my opinion that was already there hasn't changed after two games... and why should it? He has a new coach, new offense, etc; and they've beaten freakin' Jacksonville and Dallas. Yet, others think it's this huge upgrade.

I'm not the one being swayed by two games... if he proves otherwise (and again, he hasn't really had that chance yet), great; but being sold on him after two games is ludicrous (and yes, not being sold on him solely based on two games is just as ludicrous).

In fairness. Guys like Mac and I haven't been swayed by two games.

We have been telling you guys that this was going to happen since the moment the Chiefs traded for Alex Smith.

[9er guy]

Second, I called that as a gif as soon as it was on tv. Yeah, its a seahawk and I get that, but dude, its ****ing hilarious.....

I find NOTHING hilarious about Pete Carroll laughing at the expense of the 49ers.

We all know it's just a part of your "I was right about Alex Smith" campaign that's basically become your life's work.


It's all good Snoop. We already know what you're MO is.

[9er guy]

In fairness. Guys like Mac and I haven't been swayed by two games.

We have been telling you guys that this was going to happen since the moment the Chiefs traded for Alex Smith.

I'm all for Alex doing well. But it's a little early to proclaim yourself a prophet.

[Mav]

I'm all for Alex doing well. But it's a little early to proclaim yourself a prophet.

See. That is the difference for me and other people.

Other people see Alex's contribution as stats, throwing yards, passing yards, tds.

That has NEVER been my stance. Mine was always about helping the Chiefs WIN games.

The only stat I ever mentioned, was 37 turnovers. Which is what the Chiefs had last year.

Wins, and turnovers. Mac and I, told people that was where the biggest contribution would come from.

So yes, I am allowed to gloat and be a "prophet" in that regard wouldn't you say?

[Mav]

I find NOTHING hilarious about Pete Carroll laughing at the expense of the 49ers.

We all know it's just a part of your "I was right about Alex Smith" campaign that's basically become your life's work.


It's all good Snoop. We already know what you're MO is.

so wait. Your avatar is funny, but my signature is offensive? Even if they are both poking fun at the 49ers?

[9er guy]

See. That is the difference for me and other people.

Other people see Alex's contribution as stats, throwing yards, passing yards, tds.

That has NEVER been my stance. Mine was always about helping the Chiefs WIN games.

The only stat I ever mentioned, was 37 turnovers. Which is what the Chiefs had last year.

Wins, and turnovers. Mac and I, told people that was where the biggest contribution would come from.

So yes, I am allowed to gloat and be a "prophet" in that regard wouldn't you say?

From a chief fan perspective, sure. But I'm not sure you're really making that provocative statement saying Smitty could come in and win more than 2 games.

[9er guy]

so wait. Your avatar is funny, but my signature is offensive? Even if they are both poking fun at the 49ers?

I'm not offended. Do you mayne.

[Mav]

From a chief fan perspective, sure. But I'm not sure you're really making that provocative statement saying Smitty could come in and win more than 2 games.

Good thing then that I nutted up and said 10 huh?

[Halfcan]

It's hard for me to swing much praise for lack of TOs when Dallas dropped how many picks yesterday?

Two, including one that would have been housed and given the Cowboys the lead.

Smith has been adequate. Fine. Solid.

"Kicking ass" is an extreme stretch. Maybe compared to Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn/Brody Croyle/Tyler Palko, but not compared to legitimate NFL starting QBs.

Chiefs fans have been watching QBs who ride the short bus for too long. Alex Smith rides on the long bus, but he's the guy sitting at the front of the bus, longingly looking at all the cool kids in the back.

He took the opening drive right down the field-I say that was kicking ass. It won't matter what he does-everyone will still hate him- and I'm done with it. Kape has been a freakin turnover machine-and people say-oh that doesnt count because blah blah blah ect. I bet if Alex had played like him the last two games this place would explode-lol

[Mav]

He took the opening drive right down the field-I say that was kicking ass. It won't matter what he does-everyone will still hate him- and I'm done with it. Kape has been a freakin turnover machine-and people say-oh that doesnt count because blah blah blah ect. I bet if Alex had played like him the last two games this place would explode-lol

It was EXPLODING and Alex played well, AND HELPED THE TEAM WIN.....

lol

[Halfcan]

FFS, was 'you' instead of 'they' really that confusing, to miss the entire freakin' point?




I meant last week, when the 49ers were rushing for 2.5ypc and the Packers were scoring with 8 play/2:00 minute drives. SF actually had a couple of long drives, but it doesn't really matter when the Packers match it in 2 minutes.




The whole point was that Halfcan wanted to compare Smith's 0 turnovers to Kaepernick's 4 or whatever, ignoring all kinds of stuff like who the 49ers and Chiefs have played and how aggressive Kaepernick's had to be against the teams they've played vs how aggressive Smith's had to be.

Of course Kaepernick has made more mistakes... if he doesn't throw for 400+ yards vs the 49ers, they lose. Smith hasn't had to do that, obviously.

Meh, I'm done with it... a decade ago, it was all "at least we're winning!" when people tried pointing out the terrible, terrible defense, and none of it mattered come playoff time. In 2006, people ignored Herm's offense, and in 2010, people ignored the QB situation and the fact the Chiefs hadn't played anyone. If fans are excited to beat shitty teams and win 8-9 wins, good for them... it's been that way for 4 decades, so why expect more from the team you spend so much money and time and emotion on. We shouldn't talk about the big picture, because they're 2-0... we should all be celebrating or something.

It wasn't just the turnovers- it was the leadership. Kape wouldnt be where he is if Alex hadn't helped him. When they started lossing kape pouted. When the chiefs were losing-Alex brought them back against a tough D.

There is no justifying the amount of hate towards the guy and anyone that has liked him. At least for two weeks the haters have had to eat crow- LMAO

[Sandy Vagina]

There is no justifying the amount of hate towards the guy and anyone that has liked him. At least for two weeks the haters have had to eat crow- LMAO

... and that is why the hate will always be.. and will continue to grow. Alex does this to the people... embarrasses their projections, and make them hate him all the more. That is why some SF fans have scurried over here to bash him. They were made to look humiliated on other forums, and still flail for any semblence of retribution. Bad Alex! Bad! :p

[Mav]

It wasn't just the turnovers- it was the leadership. Kape wouldnt be where he is if Alex hadn't helped him. When they started lossing kape pouted. When the chiefs were losing-Alex brought them back against a tough D.

There is no justifying the amount of hate towards the guy and anyone that has liked him. At least for two weeks the haters have had to eat crow- LMAO

My favorite is always this.

"we won today, but we cant sustain this type of winning with these types of numbers from our qb."

Then, the next week, Alex Smith wins, and its always about next week. Considering that every team loses, multiple times per season, they are bound to be right at least 4 or 5 times.

[Bearcat]

He took the opening drive right down the field-I say that was kicking ass. It won't matter what he does-everyone will still hate him- and I'm done with it. Kape has been a freakin turnover machine-and people say-oh that doesnt count because blah blah blah ect. I bet if Alex had played like him the last two games this place would explode-lol

The "blah blah blah" is everything that doesn't make it a black and white argument. You seriously think you can compare those two quarterbacks after 2 games, considering the differences in the teams they've played, locations they've played in, what was required to win each game, etc?

1-1
2-0

0 turnovers
turnover machine (3 or 4? :shrug: )

Yeah, it's that simple. Nothing else matters when evaluating different QBs on different teams playing other different teams, etc. Why discuss reality when we make shallow comments.... he's just a hater and doesn't even get paid to do football! derp

[Bearcat]

My favorite is always this.

"we won today, but we cant sustain this type of winning with these types of numbers from our qb."

Then, the next week, Alex Smith wins, and its always about next week. Considering that every team loses, multiple times per season, they are bound to be right at least 4 or 5 times.

This is exactly the type of non-sense I was talking about.... of course people are going to say those things after 2 games. It's been TWO GAMES! If he proves himself over even just half a season, then people will start to change their opinions. Winning a second game against a mediocre team doesn't make anything anyone said after game one less relevant. 'Sustain' doesn't mean "two".

[Pitt Gorilla]

Your sig is really offensive, bro. Come on now... :spock:Offensive?!?

[duncan_idaho]

He took the opening drive right down the field-I say that was kicking ass. It won't matter what he does-everyone will still hate him- and I'm done with it. Kape has been a freakin turnover machine-and people say-oh that doesnt count because blah blah blah ect. I bet if Alex had played like him the last two games this place would explode-lol

So one drive is enough for you to say a QB kicks ass? I don't hate him. I would LOVE to be wrong, and for Andy Reid to be right about him. Saying I haven't seen anything to believe that's the case so far is not 'hating' him. It's being cautious and requiring proof rather than blind faith.

And if Kaep had lit up a good defense for 400 yards, 70 percent completions, 3 TDs, and led the Chiefs to a win against an elite NFL team like the Packers, yes, I would explode. From excitement. Hell, I'll explode from excitement if Alex Smith manages to lead KC to a win against a similar team (key term: LEAD. That doesn't mean win a nailbiter with multiple scores set up by the defense).

Kaerpernick looked bad last night, on the road, against what is likely the best defense in the National Football League. KC has not played a defense remotely in that neighborhood, but if it it did, the ultimate outcome is likely nearly the same (completely stagnant offense). There just will be a lot more punts and fewer turnovers.

The Green Bay and Dallas defenses are pretty comparable... how did Kaerpernick do against Green Bay, again?