Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Mav]

Its like there is a Bat Signal when something is said about Alex Smith that all of the Alex Smith Dicksuckers just swarm to.

Yeah. Real shame that people actually care enough.....

Pity.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We all know Alex Smith's yards per attempt was a deceitful indicator of his ability, so don't go quoting that shit, please.

Dude was near the bottom of the league in yards per completion, because he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

That is the truth, please adhere to it.

LMAO

[Ace Gunner]

Its like there is a Bat Signal when something is said about Alex Smith that all of the Alex Smith Dicksuckers just swarm to.

I could see this POV. if I were homo too.

[Fat Elvis]

Smith's actually going to be a very interesting case study for me.

Last year, when I was watching Joe Flacco mis-fire on every other pass, be it 8 yards or 40 yards downfield, I realized that guys with erratic accuracy like Flacco and Eli Manning should be firing the ball downfield. Afterall, if you're going to miss on your pass, you might as well have some risk/reward for your efforts and if its picked, its no worse than a punt.

But if you're a really accurate passer, especially in the short and intermediate zones, long passes aren't necessarily needed.

Alex Smith's yards per attempt over the last 2 years bear that out. His accuracy was so sharp that he was averaging more yards per attempt than virtually every QB in the league. He was, by any measure, a successful and productive NFL QB despite not pushing the ball downfield.

And as the efficiency numbers and yes, the highlight clips show, Smith does have that club in his bag. He doesn't have a cannon, but he's absolutely capable of making a precise, well-timed, on target deep throw. I don't know why you keep saying "can't" when the operative word really is only "hasn't". We've seen the skill-set and the numbers support it - Alex Smith can be an above average downfield passer, IMO.

But if you can sit there and throw it through a swinging tire over and over again at 12 yards, a short passing game is probably the better way to utilize those skills. Whereas if you're someone like Flacco who isn't going to be much better on short passes than long ones, then firing the thing downfield is the most efficient use of your talents.


Abso-freakin-lutely. There's been quite a few of us saying this for quite a while. Moreover, this type of passing efficiency affects the entire complexion of the game; an efficient, intermediate passing attack keeps the O on the field and the D off of it. I've said it before, and I will say it again: I believe that one of the reasons why the 49er defense was so good is because of what they were doing offensively. I don't think they were propping ASmith up during the year; I think it was a symbiotic relationship because--get this--football is a TEAM sport.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Alex "stone soup" Smith. A PERFECT metaphor.

[DaneMcCloud]

Alex "stone soup" Smith. A PERFECT metaphor.

Perfectly stupid, just like you.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Perfectly stupid, just like you.

So when the Cassel II era begins, you'll still be swinging upon his nutsack, then? Good to know.

[Jakemall]

But that's why I don't see how you're going to ignore the highlight reels.

You can find a lot of instances of him doing a really nice job of dropping the ball into closing windows and onto his receivers hands.

What he's not going to do, and what he shouldn't try to do, is rifle a ball into a tight window. His arm's not that strong; it'll get batted away. And his pass diagrams suggest that he's smart enough to know that. You're right in that he doesn't try those Stafford throws into small windows...because that would be quite stupid for Alex Smith.

But he absolutely will go over top of a WR and try to drop the ball into a hole in the coverage. And when he does, he's actually pretty good at it.

I won't try to guess raw numbers because I truly have no idea what Reid's going to do with this offense. But in Smith we're going to get an efficient passer that's smart with the ball and works with the strengths of his personnel. In other words, he's not going to be Jake Plummer; nothing in his career suggests that he'd be that kind of wild card.

You know who he really could be, though? Jeff Garcia. Garcia was athletic, smart with the ball and didn't force the issue but when he had an opening downfield, he took it. He disguised his average NFL arm strength through scrambling when needed and through making smart decisions with the ball. He was a very solid NFL QB that had his teams in legitimate SB contention on a fair occasion.

I think that's a very fair bar to set for Alex Smith.

Another very good post.

[Ace Gunner]

where's one of those idiots with wendler's "when throwing 35 passes per game, AS is 3 - 300" sigs???

I just overheard carrington on 610 talking about it -- he said he ran the numbers on AS at 30 passes per game and AS is 8 - 3.

[DaneMcCloud]

So when the Cassel II era begins, you'll still be swinging upon his nutsack, then? Good to know.

You must live in some bizzaro world where believe that your posts and opinions actually matter to anyone outside of your damaged noggin.

Cute.

[Jakemall]

Smith's actually going to be a very interesting case study for me.

Last year, when I was watching Joe Flacco mis-fire on every other pass, be it 8 yards or 40 yards downfield, I realized that guys with erratic accuracy like Flacco and Eli Manning should be firing the ball downfield. Afterall, if you're going to miss on your pass, you might as well have some risk/reward for your efforts and if its picked, its no worse than a punt.

But if you're a really accurate passer, especially in the short and intermediate zones, long passes aren't necessarily needed.

Alex Smith's yards per attempt over the last 2 years bear that out. His accuracy was so sharp that he was averaging more yards per attempt than virtually every QB in the league. He was, by any measure, a successful and productive NFL QB despite not pushing the ball downfield.

And as the efficiency numbers and yes, the highlight clips show, Smith does have that club in his bag. He doesn't have a cannon, but he's absolutely capable of making a precise, well-timed, on target deep throw. I don't know why you keep saying "can't" when the operative word really is only "hasn't". We've seen the skill-set and the numbers support it - Alex Smith can be an above average downfield passer, IMO.

But if you can sit there and throw it through a swinging tire over and over again at 12 yards, a short passing game is probably the better way to utilize those skills. Whereas if you're someone like Flacco who isn't going to be much better on short passes than long ones, then firing the thing downfield is the most efficient use of your talents.

Especially when you have a Boldin at the other end of that long throw. I'm really curious to see how Flacco does this season. I suspect there's going to be a huge let down.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You must live in some bizzaro world where believe that your posts and opinions actually matter to anyone outside of your damaged noggin.

Cute.

Close enough. I'll take that as a "yes".

[Jakemall]

Abso-freakin-lutely. There's been quite a few of us saying this for quite a while. Moreover, this type of passing efficiency affects the entire complexion of the game; an efficient, intermediate passing attack keeps the O on the field and the D off of it. I've said it before, and I will say it again: I believe that one of the reasons why the 49er defense was so good is because of what they were doing offensively. I don't think they were propping ASmith up during the year; I think it was a symbiotic relationship because--get this--football is a TEAM sport.

Alex's pre-reads don't show up on a stat line...and according to people smarter than me about football, he's one of the best at that. They say the best defense is a good offense...but that doesn't always mean how many points you score..somtimes it means how long to you have the ball. A fresh defense looks pretty damn good.

[ChiefsCountry]

Solid insight.

By all means, offer any sort of substantive discourse whenever you'd like.

Mouthbreather.

Of course I was talking about the 49er trolls.

[Fat Elvis]

Alex's pre-reads don't show up on a stat line...and according to people smarter than me about football, he's one of the best at that. They say the best defense is a good offense...but that doesn't always mean how many points you score..somtimes it means how long to you have the ball. A fresh defense looks pretty damn good.

You should check out the 49ers time of possession when ASmith is the QB and then check out their defensive rankings:hmmm:

[Jakemall]

Alex "stone soup" Smith. A PERFECT metaphor.

I seem to recall that soup ending up pretty damn good.


So what does it matter if he does it of his own ability or inspires others to come together and do it as a team. Winning is winning. I don't care if it is ugly or pretty.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Of course I was talking about the 49er trolls.

Not to be confused with the Smith-sucking Lil' Chiefy's, of course.:)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I seem to recall that soup ending up pretty damn good.


So what does it matter if he does it of his own ability or inspires others to come together and do it as a team. Winning is winning. I don't care if it is ugly or pretty.

I don't need another "hard worker who prepares well and leads". I just need a truly talented Quarterback, thanks.

[Hammock Parties]

Nevermind the fact that Welker was #1 in the league for YAC or that Thomas was #4....

Ding Dong doesn't seem to realize that when you put the ball on the money in short and intermediate throws your WRs can turn those into 20+ yard completions. You know, Welker goes deep soooo often yet he had 13 20+ yard receptions last year and Thomas had 29.

This is irrelevant.

Tom Brady was 5th in the NFL in passes attempted that traveled in the air over 20 yards.

Is that clear enough for you? It has nothing to do with YAC.

That's what I want in my QB.

Not "fraidy cat checkdown."

[Jakemall]

You should check out the 49ers time of possession when ASmith is the QB and then check out their defensive rankings:hmmm:

2012 ranked #8.
2011 Ranked #6.



I don't have a break down of 2012 as far as Colin and Alex...but 2011 it was the Alex show at QB.

"teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2012-02-05"

[ChiefsCountry]

Not to be confused with the Smith-sucking Lil' Chiefy's, of course.:)

The Lil Chiefy thing has to be one the queerest things on this site ever.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The Lil Chiefy thing has to be one the queerest things on this site ever.

Then it fits right in. Glad you approve!

[ChiefsCountry]

Then it fits right in. Glad you approve!

No you thinking its some sort of Lexicon that will never catch on is. Fucking stupid just like you.

[J Diddy]

Its like there is a Bat Signal when something is said about Alex Smith that all of the Alex Smith Dicksuckers just swarm to.

It's just the static that breaks up the moaning and gnashing of vaginas of those that ALL THEY DO is BITCH and BITCH and BITCH.

Sweet God, get some pussy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

No you thinking its some sort of Lexicon that will never catch on is. Fucking stupid just like you.

It's here to stay, so just hop on the train now.

[J Diddy]

Then it fits right in. Glad you approve!

One of the few things I agree with Angry Bear guy. Lil Chiefy has to be the stupidest fucking thing ever.

[J Diddy]

It's here to stay, so just hop on the train now.

You're the only one saying it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

One of the few things I agree with Angry Bear guy. Lil Chiefy has to be the stupidest fucking thing ever.

And yet, you just can't quit it!

Lil Chiefy: Eleventy Billion.

Haters: 0.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You're the only one saying it.

Not true.

[J Diddy]

And yet, you just can't quit it!

Lil Chiefy: Eleventy Billion.

Haters: 0.

You are having a delusional episode. I would suggest a Psychologist who can help you through this and get you some help.

[ChiefsCountry]

Solid insight.

By all means, offer any sort of substantive discourse whenever you'd like.

Mouthbreather.

You want my insight on Alex Smith. He is Marty Schottenheimer's wet dream. No ball pussy when it comes to throwing who is tough. Afraid to make mistakes so he won't take a chance to make a big play. You can win games with him if you play MartyBall. Honestly I have no fucking clue what Andy Reid sees in him because he is not like any quarterback Andy has had in his time in Philadelphia. I think letting him throw as much as Andy Reid likes will be a disaster. His record when throwing the ball a lot isn't good.

[Fat Elvis]

The Lil Chiefy thing has to be one the queerest things on this site ever.

The mods need to change his name to Lil Chiefy once and for all; it will stick that way and the moron will get his wish.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[MagicHef]

where's one of those idiots with wendler's "when throwing 35 passes per game, AS is 3 - 300" sigs???

I just overheard carrington on 610 talking about it -- he said he ran the numbers on AS at 30 passes per game and AS is 8 - 3.

They must be restricting it to a certain time period, because over his career he's 15-19 when throwing 30 times or more.

However, that's a bit misleading, because 30 attempts per game is not much. Last season the entire league averaged 35 attempts per game. Alex is 4-13 when throwing 35 times or more.

[Hammock Parties]

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That's great Alex.

Do that 3 times a game.

[TheUte]

They must be restricting it to a certain time period, because over his career he's 15-19 when throwing 30 times or more.

However, that's a bit misleading, because 30 attempts per game is not much. Last season the entire league averaged 35 attempts per game. Alex is 4-13 when throwing 35 times or more.

I love the logic in the 35 times a game argument.

Obviously, attemps have nothing to do with winning and losing.

If every one throws the ball 35 times a game, the odds of winning is 50/50.

So there for the argument dumb, move on.

[J Diddy]

That's great Alex.

Do that 3 times a game.

Yes because most qbs throw for 48 td passes a season.
Really realistic.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You are having a delusional episode. I would suggest a Psychologist who can help you through this and get you some help.
Don't fight destiny. The train is leaving the station without you!

[Ming the Merciless]

That's great Alex.

Do that 3 times a game.

Ill settle for twice


Right now he barely averages 1 TD per game and maybe 200 yards tops

[ChiefsCountry]

I love the logic in the 35 times a game argument.

Obviously, attemps have nothing to do with winning and losing.

If every one throws the ball 35 times a game, the odds of winning is 50/50.

So there for the argument dumb, move on.

Of course you wouldn't know that Andy Reid teams averages 35 passing attempts per game.

[MagicHef]

I love the logic in the 35 times a game argument.

Obviously, attemps have nothing to do with winning and losing.

If every one throws the ball 35 times a game, the odds of winning is 50/50.

So there for the argument dumb, move on.

I love logic too, but your post doesn't seem to have any.

The more Alex Smith throws, the worse he is. Wins, completion %, TD %, INT %, you name it.

[Ming the Merciless]

dont get me wrong...3 times would be super nice every now and again too, like 5 games or 6 games a year with 350 and 3 td

[Hammock Parties]

Ill settle for twice


That's a 20-25 yard gain.

He absolutely should be doing that 3 times a game if he's not Cassel II.

[Hammock Parties]

I love logic too, but your post doesn't seem to have any.

The more Alex Smith throws, the worse he is. Wins, completion %, TD %, INT %, you name it.

You will be like our French ally in this war against the British Alex Smith homers.

[J Diddy]

Don't fight destiny. The train is leaving the station without you!

It's not a train, it's the short bus.

[ChiefsCountry]

That Detroit game was probably Alex Smith's best that he played last year.

[TheUte]

I love logic too, but your post doesn't seem to have any.

The more Alex Smith throws, the worse he is. Wins, completion %, TD %, INT %, you name it.

No you are choosing not to see it.

If everyone throws the ball 35 X a game, there is a winner and a loser in every game there for the odds of winning is 50/50 when you throw 35 x a games, sorry is just a fact.

So maybe just maybe its just a stat and other factors are more important or just as important.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It's not a train, it's the short bus.

A SHORT BUS WITH NITROUS HEMI, AMIRIGHT?!

[J Diddy]

A SHORT BUS WITH NITROUS HEMI, AMIRIGHT?!

with a fiero 4 banger and a pinto gas tank

[MagicHef]

No you are choosing not to see it.

If everyone throws the ball 35 X a game, there is a winner and a loser in every game there for the odds of winning is 50/50 when you throw 35 x a games, sorry is just a fact.

So maybe just maybe its just a stat and other factors are more important or just as important.

Oh my. Do you actually think this way?

By the same logic, every game has a winner and a loser, so each team's chances are always 50%. Every statistic is meaningless. Even rosters would be meaningless, and the Jags would have the same likelihood of winning the Super Bowl as the Packers.

[Wildcat2005]

No you are choosing not to see it.

If everyone throws the ball 35 X a game, there is a winner and a loser in every game there for the odds of winning is 50/50 when you throw 35 x a games, sorry is just a fact.

So maybe just maybe its just a stat and other factors are more important or just as important.

That only works if both teams are exactly the same

It is like saying the odds of the Patriots beating Shawnee Mission High School are 50/50 because there are only two teams

[TheUte]

Oh my. Do you actually think this way?

By the same logic, every game has a winner and a loser, so each team's chances are always 50%. Every statistic is meaningless. Even rosters would be meaningless, and the Jags would have the same likelihood of winning the Super Bowl as the Packers.

What I'm saying is that it is a little simple minded to pull one stat out of, I don't how many NFL stats there are and look at this one specific stat is means we are going to lose. It's just false.

AS has plenty of weaknesses, talk about those, something not just arbitrary stats that support your argument.

That is if you want to have are real discussion and not just bitch and moan.

The thing that drives me crazy about AS is he lets his brain get in the way to much. And everyone knows who has played any sport, you start thinking too much and you are done.

[Setsuna]

What I'm saying is that it is a little simple minded to pull one stat out of, I don't how many NFL stats there are and look at this one specific stat is means we are going to lose. It's just false.

AS has plenty of weaknesses, talk about those, something not just arbitrary stats that support your argument.

That is if you want to have are real discussion and not just bitch and moan.

The thing that drives me crazy about AS is he lets his brain get in the way to much. And everyone knows who has played any sport, you start thinking too much and you are done.
Another weakness is his rapidly degrading body. Is that relevant enough weakness or will you start backtracking?

[Chief_For_Life58]

That only works if both teams are exactly the same

It is like saying the odds of the Patriots beating Shawnee Mission High School are 50/50 because there are only two teams

well which sme district are we talking about?

[TheUte]

Another weakness is his rapidly degrading body. Is that relevant enough weakness or will you start backtracking?

I have not backtracked one bit, All I have ever said it that I'm willing to give him a chance.
I'm excited for football and I think he will be successful.

I have said before at least let him fail, then run him out a town.

[MagicHef]

What I'm saying is that it is a little simple minded to pull one stat out of, I don't how many NFL stats there are and look at this one specific stat is means we are going to lose. It's just false.

AS has plenty of weaknesses, talk about those, something not just arbitrary stats that support your argument.

That is if you want to have are real discussion and not just bitch and moan.

The thing that drives me crazy about AS is he lets his brain get in the way to much. And everyone knows who has played any sport, you start thinking too much and you are done.

Alex Smith playing worse as he throws more is a legitimate weakness of his, which has been discussed on here before.

Also, in case you didn't notice, I didn't just dream this up because some stats happened to support it, I was responding to someone else who used their own stats to try and show that this very issue was not a problem.

[ChiefsCountry]

Alex Smith's Regular Season Career Numbers when attempting 35 or more passes.
364/641
23/40 per game average
20 TDs
19 Ints
71.4 QB Rating
5.7 Yards Per Attempt
4.9 Yards Per Completion
Career Record 3-13

[Sandy Vagina]

Still say looking at career numbers is a waste of time right now. Convenient or not, focusing on his last few years is easily the smart move if being true in figuring out where Alex is as a QB. It is a what-have-u-done-4-me-lately league. Steve Young and many others started out in very rough situations. Once the situations improved, hey, then you ended up with some really good QB play. Go figure.

[TheUte]

Alex Smith's Regular Season Career Numbers when attempting 35 or more passes.
364/641
23/40 per game average
20 TDs
19 Ints
71.4 QB Rating
5.7 Yards Per Attempt
4.9 Yards Per Completion
Career Record 3-13

What are his stats when throwing the ball 20 X a game?

What is the difference in W-L for team that throws Under 20 over and under 35 and over?

[TheUte]

Alex Smith's Regular Season Career Numbers when attempting 35 or more passes.
364/641
23/40 per game average
20 TDs
19 Ints
71.4 QB Rating
5.7 Yards Per Attempt
4.9 Yards Per Completion
Career Record 3-13

Oh yeah and who were his receivers in the time frame of those stats.

And lets compare a AR receivers in that same time frame.

Stats without perspective are worthless.

[GoChargers]

Steve Young and many others started out in very rough situations. Once the situations improved, hey, then you ended up with some really good QB play. Go figure.

The situation improved massively for Smith under Harbaugh in San Francisco and, lo and behold, he was still a mediocre game manager. Go figure.

[Sandy Vagina]

The situation improved massively for Smith under Harbaugh in San Francisco and, lo and behold, he was still a mediocre game manager. Go figure.

He was what he was asked to be... in a system that was cautious by nature and leaned on the clear strengths of defense and STs while the entire offense had to play catch-up.

... and as that efficient game manager, he helped produce lots of wins and was a top 10 quarterback in the league for passer rating.


" oh, buts he no had big numberz in the games!!! he is teh suxxorz!"

My God, some people are really stupid and shallow. :deevee:

[TheUte]

He was what he was asked to be... in a system that was cautious by nature and leaned on the clear strengths of defense and STs while the entire offense had to play catch-up.

... and as that efficient game manager, he helped produce lots of wins and was a top 10 quarterback in the league for passer rating.


" oh, buts he no had big numberz in the games!!! he is teh suxxorz!"

My God, some people are really stupid and shallow. :deevee:

Don't you know its not the end results that count.

You just have to flashy, look at Stafford and Rivers. Everyone loves them and they are terrible, just horrid.

[ChiefsCountry]

What are his stats when throwing the ball 20 X a game?

What is the difference in W-L for team that throws Under 20 over and under 35 and over?

Hey dumbass - Andy Reid teams throw the ball 35 times a game, that is why the 35 stat is important.

[GoChargers]

He was what he was asked to be... in a system that was cautious by nature
Protip: if a coach has to be "cautious" (i.e. overconservative) with his system for you, you're not a championship-caliber quarterback.

... and as that efficient game manager, he helped produce lots of wins
Only if all conditions were perfect, i.e., the other team didn't score at least 24 points, he didn't have to throw at least 30 passes, etc. Then he could just ride the defense and running game to wins.

You just have to flashy, look at Stafford and Rivers. Everyone loves them and they are terrible, just horrid.
Since when does everybody love Rivers? He's pretty much been written off by the media as what he is: a quarterback in decline.

And he's not really that "flashy" anymore. In fact, he's turned into the type of pussified quarterback people like you love: a checkdown machine whose yards per attempt is on a sharp decline and who can't make throws under pressure.

[TheUte]

Hey dumbass - Andy Reid teams throw the ball 35 times a game, that is why the 35 stat is important.

LOL, what was it too hard of a question.

Doesn't agree with your stats. Sorry I will quit asking hard questions.

[Fat Elvis]

I love logic too, but your post doesn't seem to have any.

The more Alex Smith throws, the worse he is. Wins, completion %, TD %, INT %, you name it.

Kind of like how if he threw the ball 100x in a game eh would complete 0% of his passes:rolleyes:

Hey, that's what the statistics "say."

In the 49ers ultraconservative O, if Alex SMith was throwing 35X in a game it was because they were playing from behind and the defense was keying in on the pass almost exclusively.

[Sandy Vagina]

Protip: if a coach has to be "cautious" (i.e. overconservative) with his system for you, you're not a championship-caliber quarterback.


A year one system where many of the non-QBs don't fully know what they are doing? and the OC is creating an offense on the fly? And a defense well known to have an already solid defense and STs? This team wants to be cautious as they evolve.. and you feel like this is a QB issue? Just stupid. :doh!:

[NinerDoug]

Hey dumbass - Andy Reid teams throw the ball 35 times a game, that is why the 35 stat is important.

To be important, or even relevant, it would have to be part of an offense that regularly passes 35 plus times a game. Looking at aberrations, which were not 35 plus passing planned games, isn't going to tell you much.

[GoChargers]

A year one system where many of the non-QBs don't fully know what they are doing? and the OC is creating an offense on the fly? And a defense well known to have an already solid defense and STs? This team wants to be cautious as they evolve.. and you feel like this is a QB issue? Just stupid. :doh!:

Apparently Harbaugh felt it was a QB issue, since he tried to replace Smith in free agency, then finally replaced him with Kaepernick, who - get this - actually could run Harbaugh's offense and STILL make deep throws! Go figure!

[Sandy Vagina]

Apparently Harbaugh felt it was a QB issue, since he tried to replace Smith in free agency, then finally replaced him with Kaepernick, who - get this - actually could run Harbaugh's offense and STILL make deep throws! Go figure!

Harbaugh perceives Kaepernick as having a more dynamic skillset. He happens to be correct on that. Alex was incredibly efficient in doing what was needed and asked of him. Bad luck for him was.. he was replaced by that more dynamic player... It happens. Even Joe Montana... who is vastly more accomplished than Alex... was replaced by Steve Young. That doesn't mean that Joe was teh suxxorz, obviously. It just meant that Young could do some things that Montana couldn't.. and it was time to move on.

[NinerDoug]

Harbaugh perceives Kaepernick as having a more dynamic skillset. He happens to be correct on that. Alex was incredibly efficient in doing what was needed and asked of him. Bad luck for him was.. he was replaced by that more dynamic player... It happens. Even Joe Montana... who is vastly more accomplished than Alex... was replaced by Steve Young. That doesn't mean that Joe was teh suxxorz, obviously. It just meant that Young could do some things that Montana couldn't.. and it was time to move on.

That was ultimately Joe's choice. At the end of the day the Niners offered him the starting position. He later agreed to the trade to the Chiefs. (I suppose he realized Steve would still be breathing down his neck, an injury and the controversy would start all over again, etc.)

[Hammock Parties]

Joe Montana comparisons, yay!

[NinerDoug]

Apparently Harbaugh felt it was a QB issue, since he tried to replace Smith in free agency, then finally replaced him with Kaepernick, who - get this - actually could run Harbaugh's offense and STILL make deep throws! Go figure!

Peyton Manning is on the market and he looked into snagging him. Not exactly out shopping for a replacement.

[GoChargers]

Peyton Manning is on the market and he looked into snagging him. Not exactly out shopping for a replacement.

They also tried to get Hasselbeck.

[DaneMcCloud]

Joe Montana comparisons, yay!

So, Joe Montana wasn't replaced?

[Mav]

They also tried to get Hasselbeck.

They tried to get Matt Hasselbeck, BEFORE they ever talked to Alex Smith between the lockout, and Jims first season. Nice try by you of trolling. Wait, so let me see. Phillip Rivers, when he had LT, Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles and Antonio Gates in their prime, he was a beast. Now that he doesn't have those, he is on the decline?

Holy shit, who knew, you need WEAPONS around you? Get out of here. Is that why despite alex smith being gone, the 49ers traded for boldin, drafted a tight end in the second round, and a receiver? No shit?

In 2011, other than Vernon Davis, they didn't have shit in the passing game. Crabtree was a completely different player in 2012, than he was in 2011. He wasn't injured, participated in everything, came in leaner, and became an NFL receiver.

But no, totally. Braylon Edwards, was a total stud before he got released around week 9, Josh Morgan. Whewwwww. what a beast. Ted Ginn. Whewwww. Alex should of put up 40 tds!!!!!

[Dayze]

I heard something like he's only got 3 wins when he throws for 30+ in a game.

which of course, is awesome.
Hope we never have to play from behind by 14pts.

[Mav]

I heard something like he's only got 3 wins when he throws for 30+ in a game.

which of course, is awesome.
Hope we never have to play from behind by 14pts.

This is true. What no one will acknowledge is that his head coaches his entire career, have been RUNNING head coaches. So meaning they had to pass, meant they were trailing. Makes sense.

[Dayze]

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, or if you hate my face.

[O.city]

This is true. What no one will acknowledge is that his head coaches his entire career, have been RUNNING head coaches. So meaning they had to pass, meant they were trailing. Makes sense.

I was just about to say something similar.


I'm more worried about waht he's going to do when asked to throw it more, and do it in situations where it's expected.


That stat is somewhat misleading in that he's never been on a pass first team, or atleast one thats good. Hence, when he's thrown it that many times, they're already behind.

I don't have any illusions that he hasn't been some of the reason some of his teams aren't passing teams, I dont' know, but it's misleading none the less.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Alex Smith was a #1 pick. He's only failed 6 out of his 7 years in the league. He's really smart and can make all the throws NOW. It's gonna be a great year !

[J Diddy]

Alex Smith was a #1 pick. He's only failed 6 out of his 7 years in the league. He's really smart and can make all the throws NOW. It's gonna be a great year !

You're the one who can make it happen... Quit holding out and mail him the fucking superbacon.

Bastard.

[MMXcalibur]

Whether good or bad, everyone is entitled to their opinion about these new look Chiefs. Except Clay, who will flip between a good or bad opinion depending upon whenever it suits his needs. Once Alex Smith tosses 4 TD's and 300 yds against Jacksonville, I'm 107.4% sure that he'll come out with a sappy, embarrassing poem about him.

[Hammock Parties]

Once Alex Smith tosses 4 TD's and 300 yds against Jacksonville.

I'm willing to bet Alex Smith never has a 300-yard, 4-TD game as our QB...or anyone else's...

[MagicHef]

This is true. What no one will acknowledge is that his head coaches his entire career, have been RUNNING head coaches. So meaning they had to pass, meant they were trailing. Makes sense.

I was just about to say something similar.


I'm more worried about waht he's going to do when asked to throw it more, and do it in situations where it's expected.


That stat is somewhat misleading in that he's never been on a pass first team, or atleast one thats good. Hence, when he's thrown it that many times, they're already behind.

I don't have any illusions that he hasn't been some of the reason some of his teams aren't passing teams, I dont' know, but it's misleading none the less.

The only SF teams that ran more than they passed since Alex came into the league were 2005, 2011, and 2012.

Both Nolan and Singletary tried to use Alex to pass as the first option. They both failed and were subsequently fired. I'm sure it will work this time, though.

[O.city]

The only SF teams that ran more than they passed since Alex came into the league were 2005, 2011, and 2012.

Both Nolan and Singletary tried to use Alex to pass as the first option. They both failed and were subsequently fired. I'm sure it will work this time, though.

And what weapons did they have on those teams?

[MagicHef]

What are his stats when throwing the ball 20 X a game?

What is the difference in W-L for team that throws Under 20 over and under 35 and over?

Alex is 7-3-1 when he throws 20 times or less. Take out the games he left early due to injury, and he's 7-2.

In other words, the team found much more success by making Alex take a back seat. When they had to depend on Alex, they lost. A lot.

[MagicHef]

And what weapons did they have on those teams?

Football players, I believe.

[Hammock Parties]

MagicHef, can I send you a bottle of whiskey or something?

*fistbump*

[GoChargers]

Phillip Rivers, when he had LT, Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles and Antonio Gates in their prime, he was a beast. Now that he doesn't have those, he is on the decline?

In 2010, when he was throwing to Seyi Ajirotutu and Kelley Washington, he was STILL a beast. He was actually an elite quarterback then. Elite quarterbacks can make scrub receivers look good.

His decline started when he started checking down more, throwing deep less, and panicking under pressure - in other words, once he started playing like Alice Smiff.

[MagicHef]

MagicHef, can I send you a bottle of whiskey or something?

*fistbump*

You're doing gif'd up, right? Weeks 11 and 13 will be more than enough.

[Hammock Parties]

You're doing gif'd up, right? Weeks 11 and 13 will be more than enough.

It's coming back strong this year.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You're doing gif'd up, right? Weeks 11 and 13 will be more than enough.

That must be when we win the division, knock you out of the playoffs, and start singing, "the neck-bone's connected to the FAIL-Bone...etc".

Better than bad does not equal good, and Alex Smith is a minimal part of the overall equation. That said, Cassel was just fucking TERRIBLE. I believe we will physically curb-stomp the shit out of you this year.

[Jakemall]

Holy shit, who knew, you need WEAPONS around you? Get out of here. Is that why despite alex smith being gone, the 49ers traded for boldin, drafted a tight end in the second round, and a receiver? No shit?

In 2011, other than Vernon Davis, they didn't have shit in the passing game. Crabtree was a completely different player in 2012, than he was in 2011. He wasn't injured, participated in everything, came in leaner, and became an NFL receiver.

But no, totally. Braylon Edwards, was a total stud before he got released around week 9, Josh Morgan. Whew what a beast. Ted Ginn. Whew. Alex should of put up 40 tds!!!!!

Morgan was the best wr on the team when he was hurt and his season ended 2011.

[Jakemall]

And what weapons did they have on those teams?

And what years was Alex actually playing or healthy?

[Ming the Merciless]

Still say looking at career numbers is a waste of time right now.

Agreed he is only like 30 years old with around 7 years played in the NFL. Lets wait at least 7 more years before we jump to any huge conclusions about the guy

why is no one else as smart as you on this intranet site

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Agreed he is only like 30 years old with around 7 years played in the NFL. Lets wait at least 7 more years before we jump to any huge conclusions about the guy

why is no one else as smart as you on this intranet site

ROFL

[Frosty]

It's coming back strong this year.

On ChiefsPlanet or somewhere else I won't bother going to to look for it?

[MagicHef]

That must be when we win the division, knock you out of the playoffs, and start singing, "the neck-bone's connected to the FAIL-Bone...etc".

Better than bad does not equal good, and Alex Smith is a minimal part of the overall equation. That said, Cassel was just fucking TERRIBLE. I believe we will physically curb-stomp the shit out of you this year.

Hey, I have some exciting news that you seem to have missed:

The Chiefs hired Andy Reid!

[BigMeatballDave]

Hey, I have some exciting news that you seem to have missed:

The Chiefs hired Andy Reid!

Yes, because John Fox is SO much better...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yes, because John Fox is SO much better...

No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.

[Messier]

No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.

Their careers have mirrored each other, well, Reid had more sustained success early, so I'd give the edge to him.

[MagicHef]

Yes, because John Fox is SO much better...

No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.

?

I'm not saying Reid is a bad coach, I'm saying that there is no way your QB is a "minimal part of the overall equation" with him.

[Hammock Parties]

On ChiefsPlanet or somewhere else I won't bother going to to look for it?

CP

[chiefzilla1501]

No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.

Meh, John Fox is a good enough coach. He's nothing special. I guess his one strength is he let's his coordinators do their thing. But he doesn't really have an identity. At least with Reid, we get an offensive guru. I'm by no means a huge fan of Andy Reid. He wasn't my top choice. But I'd much rather have him than fox.

[NinerDoug]

The only SF teams that ran more than they passed since Alex came into the league were 2005, 2011, and 2012.

Both Nolan and Singletary tried to use Alex to pass as the first option. They both failed and were subsequently fired. I'm sure it will work this time, though.

Singletary was run run pass punt, run run pass punt, until the running game was obviously out of the equation.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

No shit. Between Reid or Fox, there isn't really a choice to be made.

Of course there is. We've got the best HC in the division now....not the guy that takes a knee with a HOF QB.

[Mav]

Singletary was run run pass punt, run run pass punt, until the running game was obviously out of the equation.

you cant explain it to people Doug. You really cant. You know why? Because they didn't watch the games. They didn't watch the first half be, predictable run, predictable run, try to throw for first down, to where you are trailing by 14+ at half time, and you have to try to throw yourself back into it.

They don't understand the philosophy, and the way it was done. You and I saw it. We saw how when Alex Smith took over the second half of 09, and Jimmy Raye was actually able to use the Shot gun, and pass some, we saw glimpses of what Alex could be. Then what happened? They drafted Iupati, and Anthony Davis that offseason, and he shoved alex smith right back under center again, fired Jimmy Raye, and got himself canned. I love the idea that someone says that Alex Smith was a pass first qb at ANY time under any head coach until now. That is laughable to me.

[Frosty]

you cant explain it to people Doug. You really cant. You know why? Because they didn't watch the games. They didn't watch the first half be, predictable run, predictable run, try to throw for first down, to where you are trailing by 14+ at half time, and you have to try to throw yourself back into it.

Nope. Chiefs fans wouldn't understand this at all.

[Mav]

Nope. Chiefs fans wouldn't understand this at all.

Chiefs fans could understand what Alex Smith was doing in San Francisco without watching?

How is that possible. On more than One occasion, I have been told that I don't know shit about Chiefs football, and what their fans have been through. Now, all of a sudden Chiefs fans have watched every single 49ers game like I have over the past 20 years, and understand what Nolan Singletary, who were just called PASS FIRST COACHES did. And my statement is ridiculous?

Lol....

[Frosty]

Chiefs fans could understand what Alex Smith was doing in San Francisco without watching?

How is that possible. On more than One occasion, I have been told that I don't know shit about Chiefs football, and what their fans have been through. Now, all of a sudden Chiefs fans have watched every single 49ers game like I have over the past 20 years, and understand what Nolan Singletary, who were just called PASS FIRST COACHES did. And my statement is ridiculous?

Lol....

I was referring to the part I quoted.

Marty, Gunther, Herm...

[Ace Gunner]

They must be restricting it to a certain time period, because over his career he's 15-19 when throwing 30 times or more.

However, that's a bit misleading, because 30 attempts per game is not much. Last season the entire league averaged 35 attempts per game. Alex is 4-13 when throwing 35 times or more.

yes, it could be he used the final 2 seasons or something like that.

according to your post, 15 - 19 is a drastically different stat than 4 - 13. and again, you are talking about a QB that played for Mike Nolan his first 3 years & Mike Singletary his next 3 seasons. the epitome of fail offense those two coaches were.

Reid will have Smith throwing something in that area of 35 passes per game, but it will be more like Walsh's WCO style, not a Coryell style like he was in with Harbaugh. two very different passing offenses imo.

having Jamaal on the offense is going to change the game for Reid. Also, Reid is going to ground it just like any other HC when he's got a lead.

[Fat Elvis]

Singletary was run run pass punt, run run pass punt, until the running game was obviously out of the equation.

The running game has never been out of the equation in KC. RRPP, RRPP, oh crap, we're behind by 21, RRD(raw)P, RRDP, RRDP....

[MagicHef]

Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.

[Hammock Parties]

Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.

http://img.pandawhale.com/54546-Cheers-Toast-gif-OLQT.gif

[NinerDoug]

Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.

What were the Niners' W/L records during those years? How many of the those games were the Niners down by two or more scores at halftime?

[MagicHef]

What were the Niners' W/L records during those years? How many of the those games were the Niners down by two or more scores at halftime?

Knock yourself out:

www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/

[NinerDoug]

Knock yourself out:



That was a rhetorical question.

[Ace Gunner]

Unfortunately, I forgot to take sacks into account before when I was talking about the 49ers being a pass first team. This lead me to mistakenly include 2005 as a season in which they ran more than they passed. The truth is that the 49ers passed more than they ran every season between 2005-2010.

In both 2007 and 2009, over 60% of the playcalls were passes.

Conversely, Harbaugh has called more runs than passes in both of his seasons. Suddenly Alex looked better.

I don't think it was the diff in the amount of passes these staffs asked Alex Smith to throw, those stas are not very different compared with w/l stats of the same periods.

imo the diff is in the poor quality players Smith was playing along with during the Nolan/Singletary seasons compared with the better players he fielded along with during the Harbaugh seasons plus the offensive systems themselves were quite different.

Nolan/Singletary were your RRPP types, very predictable play calling and poor execution by poor quality players. Harbaugh is a guy that will challenge a defense with a pass on first or/and second downs, until you stack the zones with nickel D etc, then he will line up the pistol and **** with your defense -- this imo, along with personnel improvements around Smith and Smith himself became a much better football player -- these are the things that make AS a different QB with Harbaugh compared with the other HC's Smith was playing for.

[Jakemall]

you cant explain it to people Doug. You really cant. You know why? Because they didn't watch the games. They didn't watch the first half be, predictable run, predictable run, try to throw for first down, to where you are trailing by 14+ at half time, and you have to try to throw yourself back into it.

They don't understand the philosophy, and the way it was done. You and I saw it. We saw how when Alex Smith took over the second half of 09, and Jimmy Raye was actually able to use the Shot gun, and pass some, we saw glimpses of what Alex could be. Then what happened? They drafted Iupati, and Anthony Davis that offseason, and he shoved alex smith right back under center again, fired Jimmy Raye, and got himself canned. I love the idea that someone says that Alex Smith was a pass first qb at ANY time under any head coach until now. That is laughable to me.

It was so laughable that Gore later commented how fustrating it was to hear the various defenses calling out the exact play they were going to do before the ball was hiked. Hard to succeed when everyone knows where you're going. Singletary said something along the lines of "we're going to smash them in the mouth and they're going to know it is coming and not be able to stop it." He got the first part right.

[Jakemall]

"espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2010/alex-smith"

145 attempts when behind
77 attempts when not

Considering the team's record that year...it should be pretty obvious that they were behind most of the time...

[Mav]

I was referring to the part I quoted.

Marty, Gunther, Herm...

oh oh oh. Sorry. hehe.

[NinerDoug]

It was so laughable that Gore later commented how fustrating it was to hear the various defenses calling out the exact play they were going to do before the ball was hiked. Hard to succeed when everyone knows where you're going. Singletary said something along the lines of "we're going to smash them in the mouth and they're going to know it is coming and not be able to stop it." He got the first part right.

Yep, and it wasn't difficult. Gore up the gut, Gore up the gut, pass.

I am sure happy we have Harbaugh now, but boy, 2007 through 2010 really sucked. Personally, I blame the Chargers.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

?

I'm not saying Reid is a bad coach, I'm saying that there is no way your QB is a "minimal part of the overall equation" with him.

He's not "minimal" to Reid of course. That said, he's far from being the whole damned show. Let me try this one more time:

If Alex will take care of the football and not go Full-Cassel, the Chiefs can and will physically outmatch you. Our running game and defense will absolutely piss-pound you.

Of course there is. We've got the best HC in the division now....not the guy that takes a knee with a HOF QB.

Hence my original post. I mean FFS, there's Marty-tard, and there's Fox taking a knee.

[ColinBarton23]

Lol I hope he does well, I am a huge Chiefs fan but we all now that Smith can be terrible at times :/

[Easy 6]

Gore up the gut, Gore up the gut, pass.

Ah yes, we Chiefs fans clearly recognize that sinister pattern.

HUARD DROPS BACK ON THIRD AND THREE... OH NO, HE CRUMBLES TO THE GROUND UNDER PRESSURE!

[Tribal Warfare]

I was referring to the part I quoted.

Marty, Gunther, Herm...

and again, fans from other teams not knowing our history and citing we should thank our lucky stars for said player.

[ColinBarton23]

As much as I would to believe that Smith is the answer, I have a strange feeling that he might be a flop for the Chiefs... I'm hoping this won't be the case.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

As much as I would to believe that Smith is the answer, I have a strange feeling that he might be a flop for the Chiefs... I'm hoping this won't be the case.

Smart n00b is smart.

[Fat Elvis]

"espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2010/alex-smith"

145 attempts when behind
77 attempts when not

Considering the team's record that year...it should be pretty obvious that they were behind most of the time...

Oh Noes! Alex Smith is Matt Cassel

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8644/matt-cassel

2012:

134 attempts when behind
2 attempts when not (0-2 on those attempts as well ROFL)

Can you believe that? Matt Cassel did not complete one pass last year when the Chiefs had a lead. Not a single pass. Yeah, Alex Smith and Matt Cassel are the same QB :rolleyes:

The Chiefs attempted a grand total of 27 passes when they had a lead last year. Brady Quinn was responsible for 25 of those passes.

[Ace Gunner]

mat cassel was the absolute worst football player to start in the NFL for four years that I have ever seen. it isn't even close.

I'm pretty sure that is what dick haley saw when he told todd he did not believe they could win with that guy.

[Sandy Vagina]

Lol I hope he does well, I am a huge Chiefs fan but we all now that Smith can be terrible at times :/

Believe or not, Alex really only had 1 terrible game in the last 2 years. Some underwhelming games, perhaps.. but only 1 terrible game. (being against the 2012 NYG, and that was the game immediately following an injury to his throwing hand index finger)

[MagicHef]

He's not "minimal" to Reid of course. That said, he's far from being the whole damned show. Let me try this one more time:

If Alex will take care of the football and not go Full-Cassel, the Chiefs can and will physically outmatch you. Our running game and defense will absolutely piss-pound you.

I'm confused. Which team had the defense that basically gave up because the team wasn't winning? That seems pretty soft to me.

[Fat Elvis]

He's not "minimal" to Reid of course. That said, he's far from being the whole damned show. Let me try this one more time:

If Alex will take care of the football and not go Full-Cassel, the Chiefs can and will physically outmatch you. Our running game and defense will absolutely piss-pound you.





I'm confused. Which team had the defense that basically gave up because the team wasn't winning? That seems pretty soft to me.

You're not cherry picking the right stats....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I'm confused. Which team had the defense that basically gave up because the team wasn't winning? That seems pretty soft to me.

We're taking you. Get used to it.

http://literatehousewife.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/darry.jpg

[MagicHef]

We're taking you. Get used to it.

http://literatehousewife.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/darry.jpg

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[Jakemall]

Oh Noes! Alex Smith is Matt Cassel



2012:

134 attempts when behind
2 attempts when not (0-2 on those attempts as well ROFL)

Can you believe that? Matt Cassel did not complete one pass last year when the Chiefs had a lead. Not a single pass. Yeah, Alex Smith and Matt Cassel are the same QB :rolleyes:

The Chiefs attempted a grand total of 27 passes when they had a lead last year. Brady Quinn was responsible for 25 of those passes.

huh...so you're gonna compare Alex in 2010 to Cassell in 2012? Okay.

[Jakemall]

Believe or not, Alex really only had 1 terrible game in the last 2 years. Some underwhelming games, perhaps.. but only 1 terrible game. (being against the 2012 NYG, and that was the game immediately following an injury to his throwing hand index finger)

Alecuses.

[Mav]

Alecuses.

that in itself is actually false as well. He played pretty darn crappy against the Jets, Vikings, and Seattle as well. Luckily, we found the running game in the Jets, and the second half of the seattle game. And in the seattle game, alex actually played well in the second half, the play calling switched up to more slants and crossing routes.

The Minny game, they tried to let alex win the game, and he couldn't. But, the truth is, that every aspect of our football team that day, played like shit, and our defense made Christian ponder look like Michael vick. Alex has his ups and downs just like every qb does.

Oh god, did I just tell the truth about alex smith and not just homer away about his greatness?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

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LMAO Mmm...I wonder who'll be getting the wish-bone this year? Houston? Hali? Or maybe just Berry straight up the middle with a deafening crack?

So many exciting possibilities!

[Mav]

LMAO Mmm...I wonder who'll be getting the wish-bone this year? Houston? Hali? Or maybe just Berry straight up the middle with a deafening crack?

So many exciting possibilities!

lol. One can only hope. Could you imagine all the broken hearted donkey lovers weeping. It would be GLORIOUS.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

God I hate Dungver.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

God I hate Dungver.



They have Herm Fox. That's a bit of punishment for them.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They have Herm Fox. That's a bit of punishment for them.

Between Fox and Horseface, I predict a mighty crash once we formally destroy Peyton this season.

[Hammock Parties]

Between Fox and Horseface, I predict a mighty crash once we formally destroy Peyton this season.

Why does anyone think this team is sniffing a win over Peyton this year?

He destroys CBs like Smith and Cunta.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Cold weather game and his balls shrivel up once again?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why does anyone think this team is sniffing a win over Peyton this year?

He destroys CBs like Smith and Cunta.

First, we're going to send him to the bench/locker room/ICU/retirement.

Then, we're going to fuck his team in the ass while he watches from a hospital bed.

[Tribal Warfare]

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I'm not talking shit about Peyton until we have a clear one ourselves.

[Mav]

Why does anyone think this team is sniffing a win over Peyton this year?

He destroys CBs like Smith and ****a.

because we like to annoy you.

[milkman]

imo the diff is in the poor quality players Smith was playing along with during the Nolan/Singletary seasons compared with the better players he fielded

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

[Mav]

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

QB (3): Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB (3): Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (2): Mike Iupati, Adam Snyder
C (2): David Baas, Eric Heitmann
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT (2): Anthony Davis, Alex Boone


Defense
DE (4): Justin Smith, Isaac Sopoaga, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
DT (2): Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean Francois
OLB (5): Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Travis LaBoy, Diyral Briggs
ILB (3): Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman
CB (6): Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Will James, Phillip Adams, Tramaine Brock
FS (2): Dashon Goldson, Reggie Smith
SS (3): Michael Lewis, Taylor Mays, Curtis Taylor


Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings


2011

3)
Smith, Kaepernick, tolzien

RB (3)
Gore, Dixon, Hunter

FB (1/2)
Miller,

TE (3)
Davis, Walker, Justin peele

WR (5/6)
Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan, Ginn Jr, /Williams, joe hastings. brett swain

C (1)
Goodwin, Snyder, Wragge, Beeler (PS?)

G (4)
Iupati, Rachal, Snyder, Wragge, Kilgore, Person (PS?)

T (4/5)
Staley, Davis, Boone, Snyder/Wragge


DEFENSE
DE ( 4/5)
Smith, McDonald, RJF, Tukuafu
NT (1/2)
Sopoaga, RJF/Ian Williams

ILB (4)
Willis, Bowman, McKillop, Kristick//Grant/Costanzo

OLB (5/6)
Haralson/Aldon, Brooks/Gibson, Applewhite
CB (5/6)
Spencer, Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Brock
FS/SS (4/5)
Reggie Smith, Whitner, , Williams, , Spillman, Colin Jones/Maragos
SPECIAL TEAMS
P Lee
K David Akers
LS Jennings


From this view. that is 25/ 53 players were changed between 2010- 2011. that's a crap load of turnover. Wow.

[ViperVisor]

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

Not a lot.

But the players were young and developing, as was Smith.

This details the 2010 O-Line failures that were a staple of the 49ers 2005-2011.
aolnews.com/2011/01/01/oline-em-up-falcons-sam-baker-struggles/

LT Joe Staley
Was converted to Tackle in coll. Was a TE. Injured or inconsistent up into 2011. Called himself and the OL out. Played much better since then. Still not a wall of pass protection but good enough and excels at getting those 2nd level blocks.

LG Mike Iupati
Good from the start. But teams figured this out and would stunt around him a lot. He would often hesitate and not adjust to help where there was now a mismatch.

C David Baas
OK. Was replaced by the OK Mike Goodwin.

RG Chilo Rachal
A pure mauler. Drafted high because of his physical prowess. Perfect Singeltary guy.
He SUCKS at pass blocking. Was benched in favor of the failed Tackle who was able to be an upgrade by being just mediocre. Adam Snyder. 49ers resigned him this year cause he has experience and probably a good guy cause they'd prefer he stay a backup.

RT
Anthony Davis
One of the youngest players in the draft. Was thrown into the fire to learn. His tutoring was not pretty. A lot of sacks allowed and penalties.

[Sandy Vagina]

Good and pretty accurate stuff, ViperVisor.

added notes:

- SF had without a doubt the worst duo of C/RG in the league for 2011.
- Iuapti and Staley would have occasional and shocking pass protection whiffs.
- Anthony Davis' pass pro was dreadful in his early years, and he brought about many remembrances of the dreaded Kwame Harris. ( those who don't know Kwame Harris? well, he was easily the worst pass protector I have ever witnessed ) There was an awesome"low-lights" youtube vid that might still be around to find. Everyone hated Kwame and had pity for anyone behind center that he was asked to protect.

Now try building a nice pass offense from scratch behind these guys. You'd pretty much NEED a freak athlete like Kaepernick to manage that while shining. And even better for Kaep, the OL had time to improve until he was ready... and inserted Alex Boone at RG, who has been outstanding in his development.

[Hammock Parties]

And yet Alex was sacked just as much in 2012.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Two years, if even that tops.

See ya', motherfucker.

[ViperVisor]

And yet Alex was sacked just as much in 2012.

True.
But of the 24, 6 of the sacks he took were when the team was up 2 or 3 scores. 3 @ GB and 3 @ AZ.

Those games were won and he ate the sacks so the clock kept running. If the pass options aren't open why bother an attempt that may be incomplete, dropped, or even an INT in that situation?

Another 30 seconds off the clock when you are winning gets you a step closer to winning.

Kaepernick sack rate was fairly high as well at 6.8% and 0 sacks when the team was up 2 or 3 scores. Cause the team rarely was.
And he was much more often in the shotgun read option stuff.

The O-Line still isn't great at pass protection, just good. They are huge guys and are best at run blocking.

And the passing offense Harbaugh and Co installed was never set up to stroke a QBs ego.
Part of that is the QB but also the lack of super studs on the pass catching side of the equation.

[houstonwhodat]

This will not turn out well for you.

[Hammock Parties]

This will not turn out well for you.

For me, or our stupid team?

[Hammock Parties]

The O-Line still isn't great at pass protection, just good. They are huge guys and are best at run blocking.


Wrong.

49ers had the 7th ranked pass blocking line last season.

Yet Alex Smith was the most sacked QB in the league (on a per attempt basis) by a country mile. Literally sacked on one third of the snaps where he was pressured.

There is no getting around this.

As he has "improved" as a QB he has taken more and more sacks because he's being coached to be sacked instead of taking a chance with the ball.

"designed sacks" was even a phrase one of your own used here this offseason in defending this awful habit he has.

He's a joke.

[TheUte]

Wrong.

49ers had the 7th ranked pass blocking line last season.

Yet Alex Smith was the most sacked QB in the league (on a per attempt basis) by a country mile. Literally sacked on one third of the snaps where he was pressured.

There is no getting around this.

As he has "improved" as a QB he has taken more and more sacks because he's being coached to be sacked instead of taking a chance with the ball.

"designed sacks" was even a phrase one of your own used here this offseason in defending this awful habit he has.

He's a joke.

Like usual, just make shit up.

Like usual you are incorrect.

Andy Dalton 528 46 8.71% 33
Jay Cutler 434 38 8.76% 28.9
Chad Henne 308 28 9.09% 30.8
Aaron Rodgers 552 51 9.24% 34.5
Philip Rivers 527 49 9.30% 32.9
Brady Quinn 197 21 10.66% 19.7
Alex Smith 218 24 11.01% 21.8
Kevin Kolb 183 27 14.75% 30.5

[Hammock Parties]

Like usual, just make shit up.

Like usual you are incorrect.

Andy Dalton 528 46 8.71% 33
Jay Cutler 434 38 8.76% 28.9
Chad Henne 308 28 9.09% 30.8
Aaron Rodgers 552 51 9.24% 34.5
Philip Rivers 527 49 9.30% 32.9
Brady Quinn 197 21 10.66% 19.7
Alex Smith 218 24 11.01% 21.8
Kevin Kolb 183 27 14.75% 30.5

You have been educated, sir.

http://i.imgur.com/kOK7u9W.jpg

Alex Smith loves to get sacked!

[TheUte]

You have been educated, sir.

http://i.imgur.com/kOK7u9W.jpg

Alex Smith loves to get sacked!

Read the whole thing, you filter the stats.

Nice try loser.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Does an Angel gets it's wings when Axl takes a sack?

[Hammock Parties]

Read the whole thing, you filter the stats.

Nice try loser.

I filtered by sack percentage, moron. LMAO

Alex Smith led the league in sack percentage by a country mile, as you can see on that chart.

[Easy 6]

Great thread, no joke.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Great thread, no joke.

Oh, this motherfucker is going to blow the original Cassel thread all the way back to New England by the time all is said and done.

[Easy 6]

Oh, this mother****er is going to blow the original Cassel thread all the way back to New England by the time all is said and done.

Tons of great back and forth for me to sip my beer by...

[TheUte]

You have been educated, sir.

http://i.imgur.com/kOK7u9W.jpg

Alex Smith loves to get sacked!
You really are a little troll.

You are not looking the stats right. Dude you really need to take a math class.

You said he was sacked most per attempt by a country mile.

He was not the most sacked by attempt he was second and difference between him and AR was less then 2%, not exactly a country mile.

[Hammock Parties]

You said he was sacked most per attempt by a country mile.


4 percent is a pretty big difference.

Fact is, when he was pressured, he took a sack more than any other QB in the NFL.

End of discussion.

[TheUte]

4 percent is a pretty big difference.

Fact is, when he was pressured, he took a sack more than any other QB in the NFL.

End of discussion.


Its not 4 percent. You are making shit up again.

[Hammock Parties]

Its not 4 percent. You are making shit up again.

33.3 percent

29.4 percent

You're right, it's 3.9 percent difference.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Its not 4 percent. You are making shit up again.

Holy Christ, it's 3.9 percent.

[TheUte]

33.3 percent

29.4 percent

You're right, it's 3.9 percent difference.

No, you are wrong. You are changing stats to make your argument.

He had 218 pass attempts and was sacked 24 times that is 11.01%.

And that is not the highest.

Done.

[Hammock Parties]

No, you are wrong. You are changing stats to make your argument.

He had 218 pass attempts and was sacked 24 times that is 11.01%.

And that is not the highest.

Done.

He was sacked 33.3 percent of the time when he was pressured.

That IS the highest.

Done.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Look at that gif again; JESUS Matt Cassel throws like a girl...

[TheUte]

He was sacked 33.3 percent of the time when he was pressured.

That IS the highest.

Done.

Just keep on making shit up.

[Hammock Parties]

Just keep on making shit up.

I'm not making that up. You can see the proof of that statistic in the chart.

Are you brain dead?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Mmm...not even Brady Quinn enjoyed having his shit pushed in as much...

INSPIRING!

[BigMeatballDave]

LMAO fucking stats

John Elway's stats suggest he was not a good QB.

I've never seen anyone so obsessed with numbers.

[Hammock Parties]

John Elway's stats suggest he was not a good QB.


Incorrect.

Averaged 12.5 YPC for his career.

Had 33 games of 3 TD or more.

Had 36 games of 300 yards or more.

All things that Alex struggles to do.

Elway was a bauce.

Whole reason the Broncos were any good was because he threw the ball down the field.

[ViperVisor]

4 percent is a pretty big difference.

Fact is, when he was pressured, he took a sack more than any other QB in the NFL.

End of discussion.

Hello. That is where my pointing out the times he didn't mind taking a sack when pressured. When you are up 2 or 3 scores.

Sure, you'd prefer a completed pass and maybe for a 1st down.

But that usually isn't easily doable.

Look beyond the surface of your graph. Aaron Rodgers is the exception due to his special talent.
The rest is a gaggle of screw ups and young QBs who could learn a thing or 2 from how Alex Smith has done things recently.

[ViperVisor]

And that 2012 info isn't great because of the small sample. Some guys on there played about half the year, some more, some all games.

footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure-short-it
footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure

Some more stuff to look at from earlier in Smith's career.

49ers quarterback Alex Smith had the week’s quickest sack at 1.6 seconds, and he managed to get pulled down that quickly twice. As you would expect on such a quick sack, neither was really his fault.

[Hammock Parties]

And that 2012 info isn't great because of the small sample. Some guys on there played about half the year, some more, some all games.


LMAO

He was sacked a shit ton in 2011, too.

Get over it.

[Hammock Parties]

Sure, you'd prefer a completed pass and maybe for a 1st down.

But that usually isn't easily doable.


Yeah, only the good QBs do that.

Sucks to be us.

[ViperVisor]

LMAO

He was sacked a shit ton in 2011, too.

Get over it.

The O-Line was BAD. We went over this. Those two 1.6 second sacks are from 2011.

And the 9 sack game on Thanksgiving vs Baltimore.
Protection was a joke. The experience of Chuck Pagano and the Ravens Def Staff embarrassed the 49ers on a short week.

Same game that has the 75-yard touchdown called back because of a unneeded penalty away from the play.
It was doofus supreme Chilo Rachal.

[Hammock Parties]

The O-Line was BAD. We went over this. Those two 1.6 second sacks are from 2011.


And when the offensive line showed improvement, he was sacked even more the next year.

He's just a sack-prone QB.

Might as well get used to it.

I'll take him getting sacked 50 times and throwing 10 INT over 30 sacks and 20 INT though, so, it's not all bad.

Take that sack, Alex, and we'll punt and hope the D holds!

[Mav]

The O-Line was BAD. We went over this. Those two 1.6 second sacks are from 2011.

And the 9 sack game on Thanksgiving vs Baltimore.
Protection was a joke. The experience of Chuck Pagano and the Ravens Def Staff embarrassed the 49ers on a short week.

Same game that has the 75-yard touchdown called back because of a unneeded penalty away from the play.
It was doofus supreme Chilo Rachal.

Gonna correct some of this. The problem with our protection. Both Bruce Miller, and Adam Snyder were out. They ran over chilo rachal all day long. And the penalty on the Ginn Td, was on Frank Gore. They called him for a chop block.....

Miserable game.

[ViperVisor]

And when the offensive line showed improvement, he was sacked even more the next year.

He's just a sack-prone QB.


Percentage Pass Attempts Resulting in Sacks of Three or More Seconds, 2009-2010

Alex Smith 2.46%

League Average 2.61%

[Hammock Parties]

Percentage Pass Attempts Resulting in Sacks of Three or More Seconds, 2009-2010

Alex Smith 2.46%

League Average 2.61%

Yes, we all know he didn't take as many sacks earlier in his career.

He was too busy being one of the worst QBs in the league and losing games.

[ViperVisor]

Yes, we all know he didn't take as many sacks earlier in his career.

He was too busy being one of the worst QBs in the league and losing games.

He was league average in QB Rating 09+10 while the coaching and OL was incompetent.

[Mav]

He was league average in QB Rating 09+10 while the coaching and OL was incompetent.

He played well when they put him in the shot gun, and let him just read and throw. Then the offseason, they drafted iupati, and davis, and singletary wanted the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

[Hammock Parties]

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

[Hammock Parties]

49ers fans chime in!

Looked up stats on Slingin' Alek. All pass plays below, distance in air of passes.

-5
-2
-4
Sacked -1
4
-2
7
Inc.
4

Reid obviously taught him how to "air it out". Same 'ol, same 'ol, Captain Checkdown is alive and well.


Oh my goodness, I actually watched that video. Watch it.

Watch all the open guys farther down the field that Alek DOES NOT throw to!!

And the absolute best, about 2:30 in, THE RETURN OF THE RIGHT SIDELINE DASH. LMFAO, I've been predicting it's return since the trade, but in the FIRST series he's in, in preseason. OH, the hilarity.

Also note the crossing guy in this frozen pic., that guy is open for Kaep, but since the defender is within 5 yards, not for Alek. There's another one early in the video the crossing guy is even Alek open, no one near him, and he still checks down.

Classic Alex Smith plays... even all of these faithful Alex Smith lovers can admit that CK would have hit that guy 9 times out of 10.

[Mav]

49ers fans chime in!

so essentially, last night, was like your one day to be cool, and you are back in full on douche mode tonight?

[ViperVisor]

Not 3rd down and not out of FG range and not late and not losing.

Those are the times when you need to pull some rabbits out of hats.

Sure you'd prefer a 1st down to make it a goal to go on 2nd down.

But the issue the staff will actually have seeing this is the crap O-Line performance on a 5 guys to block 3 scenario.

[ChiefsCountry]

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

That would have required a 10 yard pass. That is not allowed.

[Jakemall]

That would have required a 10 yard pass. That is not allowed.

Nevermind the safety that was sitting on the top right corner coming back...

[Tombstone RJ]

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

pretty sure Bray makes that throw... but he's a reckless man.

[O.city]

Ball has to come out when Dex goes into his cut and there as soon as he comes out of it,

[RunKC]

Clay trying to bitch about a drive that we scored a TD on.

Can you imagine if someone was that critical of his boy crush Geno?

[GordonGekko]

Nevermind the safety that was sitting on the top right corner coming back...

There was a potential play there, but fudge it its preseason, AS probably just didn't want to get his guy hurt.

In the real games, this shit is really going to hurt if AS misses his opportunities like this. But for now in preseason, I'll let it slide. I want to believe he has this throw though if he decides to take the shot. If he can't make this throw on the run then we have a serious problem.

[GordonGekko]

pretty sure Bray makes that throw... but he's a reckless man.


Bray would have thrown it no doubt... to anyone who was open, including black and gold.

[J Diddy]

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex2.gif



Have you ever even played football? He's in the middle of the field behind a pack by the time AS has got line of sight he's almost to the sideline, rolling to his right with 2 guys on pursuit. If he'd have thrown that ball it would have floated and probably been picked by the corner up top who was waiting for it.

Jesus man.

At least he didn't almost break his own ankle rolling out like Geno did.

[T-post Tom]

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.


If you're going to bump-whore your threads, at least try not to be a complete fucking moron about it. Geez.

[RunKC]

And if you're look at the 2nd gif from Alex's view he has little to no time to set his feet and make a throw. He knows he doesn't have elite arm strength to pull off a dangerous throw like that.

Also, there is a safety looming within 5 yards of DMC who can close in and get a pick.

But what's hilarious about this is that Clay is picking apart the only throw Alex Smith didn't complete the entire drive he played.

[Hammock Parties]

Let the Alexcuses flow...

[Hammock Parties]

Ball has to come out when Dex goes into his cut and there as soon as he comes out of it,

I have a feel pants were being shat about the same time the ball needed to come out. Pass rusher and all that...

[GordonGekko]

Let the Alexcuses flow...

I'm like you in that I'm not a big fan of Alex Smith, but he's our Qb, for now. Nothing going to change that, barring injury. And I'd rather that not happen and go 2-14 again (if we're lucky). Just not good for morale to do that two years in a row.

[Jakemall]

There was a potential play there, but fudge it its preseason, AS probably just didn't want to get his guy hurt.

In the real games, this shit is really going to hurt if AS misses his opportunities like this. But for now in preseason, I'll let it slide. I want to believe he has this throw though if he decides to take the shot. If he can't make this throw on the run then we have a serious problem.

With a guy in his face, he'd have to put it up a little which gives the safety on top time to make a play. He probably could have put it up near the sideline and short so that the WR is the only with a chance at the ball..but yeah, the WR gonna take a hit.


I've seen Alex make throws on the run...he's able...but I'm sure clay is going to post that gif of the int to gore in 3 2 1...

[ChiefsCountry]

I'm like you in that I'm not a big fan of Alex Smith, but he's our Qb, for now. Nothing going to change that, barring injury. And I'd rather that not happen and go 2-14 again (if we're lucky). Just not good for morale to do that two years in a row.

For a second I thought we might draft a quarterback then but then I figured we would just take Jake Matthews.

[New World Order]

Let the Alexcuses flow...



I am already anticipating Friday's excuses:

"Jamaal isn't in there, Alex Smith doesn't have a running game."

"Fisher's thumb is sore! We can't expect Smith to play both RT and QB!"

[Jakemall]

I am already anticipating Friday's excuses:

"Jamaal isn't in there, Alex Smith doesn't have a running game."

"Fisher's thumb is sore! We can't expect Smith to play both RT and QB!"

Oh you can count on Fisher getting a lesson from one of the best in the business in Aldon Smith when he flips to the otherside. Brooks and Mac are no slouches either. Alex is going to be on the run the whole time. I have to believe that Alex, Reid and Pederson are well aware of it and will game plan for it. (even if it is a pre-season game) It's going to be interesting to watch.

[O.city]

And if you're look at the 2nd gif from Alex's view he has little to no time to set his feet and make a throw. He knows he doesn't have elite arm strength to pull off a dangerous throw like that.

Also, there is a safety looming within 5 yards of DMC who can close in and get a pick.

But what's hilarious about this is that Clay is picking apart the only throw Alex Smith didn't complete the entire drive he played.

When he hits his back foot there, ball shold have been coming out to Dex. He was open.

We ended up scoring, but he needs to be able to hit that throw.

[Jakemall]

When he hits his back foot there, ball shold have been coming out to Dex. He was open.

We ended up scoring, but he needs to be able to hit that throw.

He was open, but the lineman was in his face and had the lane... possible tip...and there was a guy on top..he'd have gotten 5 yards maybe.

[Mav]

just stoked that his one incompletion is being beaten to death.

Just awesome work.

This is called nitpicking, or beating a horse to death....

[J Diddy]

I am already anticipating Friday's excuses:

"Jamaal isn't in there, Alex Smith doesn't have a running game."

"Fisher's thumb is sore! We can't expect Smith to play both RT and QB!"

How about it's a preseason game and at the end of it all if they play well I could give a shit?

Scores matter in 3 weeks not this one.

[RunKC]

Alex Smith could throw 3 TD's and 300 yards and Clay would still bitch because he didn't throw 40 yard lasers downfield every pass.

[J Diddy]

Let the Alexcuses flow...

Let it be known that I think, despite all your shortcomings, that this was clever.

[Mav]

Let it be known that I think, despite all your shortcomings, that this was clever.

wow. Really? We had been using that on the 49ers forums for years lol.

[Phobia]

wow. Really? We had been using that on the 49ers forums for years lol.

So you're saying Clay stole somebody else's intellectual property? I find that hard to believe.

[AussieChiefsFan]

So you're saying Clay stole somebody else's intellectual property? I find that hard to believe.LMAO

[Mav]

So you're saying Clay stole somebody else's intellectual property? I find that hard to believe.

oooo, I like your sarcasm....That rocks. ROFL

[DJ's left nut]

Ball has to come out when Dex goes into his cut and there as soon as he comes out of it,

50 drives on that ball and either picks it or murders McCluster. You make that throw more than a time or two and your WRs are going to hate you.

And he was going backwards due to pressure straight at him (the worst kind) when McCluster cleared the middle.

There's probably a throw to be made there right when Clay pauses the GIF and circles McCluster, but it's not an easy one. He's going to have to throw while running and dropping back. He's being pushed backwards there and that's damn tough momentum to break.

But it's a makeable throw and one I'd like to see him try in the regular season, without question. The key is that he picks that up at that point and not 2 strides later when that CB almost certainly drives on the throw and turns it into a pick six.

It's not as easy as Clay makes it - because again, Clay knows nothing about actually playing the game of football - but it is one that a top 10 QB needs to be willing/able to make. So yes, I'd like to see him make that pass.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's not as easy as Clay makes it - because again, Clay knows nothing about actually playing the game of football - but it is one that a top 10 QB needs to be willing/able to make. So yes, I'd like to see him make that pass.

I'd like to see him make that pass, if it's necessary. If the game is on the line and time is short, absolutely.

But on the first drive? Not so much. Six points trumps three or an INT.

[Brando]

So you're saying Clay stole somebody else's intellectual property? I find that hard to believe.

Hard to believe though it wasn't fed to him by the great one like baby food.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO

Classic GoChiefs hating here.

That DB was half a fucking football field away and not even thinking about a pick.

[Three7s]

LMAO

Classic GoChiefs hating here.

That DB was half a ****ing football field away and not even thinking about a pick.
Wrong, by the time he was in Smith's field of vision, he was a mere 15 yards away and, as DJ said, Smith was being pushed back and would've been a very tough throw. You take the risk in the regular season, but in the preseason? No thanks.

[O.city]

50 drives on that ball and either picks it or murders McCluster. You make that throw more than a time or two and your WRs are going to hate you.

And he was going backwards due to pressure straight at him (the worst kind) when McCluster cleared the middle.

There's probably a throw to be made there right when Clay pauses the GIF and circles McCluster, but it's not an easy one. He's going to have to throw while running and dropping back. He's being pushed backwards there and that's damn tough momentum to break.

But it's a makeable throw and one I'd like to see him try in the regular season, without question. The key is that he picks that up at that point and not 2 strides later when that CB almost certainly drives on the throw and turns it into a pick six.

It's not as easy as Clay makes it - because again, Clay knows nothing about actually playing the game of football - but it is one that a top 10 QB needs to be willing/able to make. So yes, I'd like to see him make that pass.

He was going backwards, but that was after he should have ripped it to Dex if he's making that throw. And I agree that 50 drives on the football, but there is a window there to make said throw. It's one he's going to have to make, but in said sitatuion I understand not trying it.


Once he hits his back foot and has time to come forward, it could/shold have come out it that throw is to be made. I would like to see him make that throw, and if we're going to be as best as we can, he needs to hit it.

I'd argue that Baldwin was also open underneath for a smallish gain.

[milkman]

I don't get the whole preseason games are not when you want to see him making that throw thought process.

That's exactly when I want him to make that throw.

Test his limits when it doesn't matter.

[Sandy Vagina]

I don't get the whole preseason games are not when you want to see him making that throw thought process.

That's exactly when I want him to make that throw.

Test his limits when it doesn't matter.

Agree. Chuck shit around just to test receivers, cover D players, or even to challenge yourself. It's only preseason.

[Phobia]

I don't get the whole preseason games are not when you want to see him making that throw thought process.

That's exactly when I want him to make that throw.

Test his limits when it doesn't matter.

Seconded.

[Kaepernick]

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex2.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

Clear unencumbered illustration of Alex's inability to see the open receiver, or unwillingness to pull the trigger. That end zone view is as crystal clear as you can get.

The sad thing is it doesn't take Manning, Brady or Brees to complete that pass. That is a complete Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, or Sam Bradford. You know, the average/below average QBs.

Perfect illustration, especially that gif from behind Alex toward the end zone. You can't get more open than that.

This has me flashing back to the Seattle game with a wide open Randy Moss racing the entire weight of the end zone waving his hands wildly for Alex to throw to him, while Frank Gore is pointing at Randy and shouting to Alex to throw to him. Which he finally does -- for a Seattle interception.

[Mav]

I don't get the whole preseason games are not when you want to see him making that throw thought process.

That's exactly when I want him to make that throw.

Test his limits when it doesn't matter.

makes the most sense to me.......

[Ming the Merciless]

holy jesus

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

[Tribal Warfare]

holy jesus

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

Alex missed the Baldwin hotread too.

[9er guy]

Alex Smith killed it in that saints playoff game, which makes him loads better than cassel. That was one of the greatest games I've ever watched.

Best 9er game I've watched. (Minus the Super bowl against the Chargers)

He showed he could be viable starter in the league with that game.

Vernon completely dominated that last drive as well.

It was one of the only times in his career I saw him cover for the defense.

Usually it's the other way around. There's just like hella three and outs and field goals, and the defense has to not make any mistakes.

This was a shootout against Drew Brees. Great game.

He came back down to earth in the next game, but it was fun while it lasted.

[Kaepernick]

Have you ever even played football? He's in the middle of the field behind a pack by the time AS has got line of sight he's almost to the sideline, rolling to his right with 2 guys on pursuit. If he'd have thrown that ball it would have floated and probably been picked by the corner up top who was waiting for it.

Jesus man.

At least he didn't almost break his own ankle rolling out like Geno did.

Line-of-sight? The devil you say. Alex has line-of-sight between 2 spread defenders when the WR is circled in yellow. He HAS line-of-sight. WFT? 5'-10" Russell Wilson would have had line-of-sight on that pass, AND COMPLETED IT.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

Somebody else made the Alexcuse that a DB is in the right corner. Yes, with the WR in the middle of the field wide open and half the field to work with. That is an EASY completion for most QBs. EASY.

Alex often can't see or is unwilling to pull the trigger down field. I've seen this too many times, too many years to buy your Alexcuses. Don't mind me. I'll let you wait until mid-season when you've also seen it too many times and are pulling your hair out in frustration. You are gonna learn this from first hand experience and it won't take many games to see it.

[9er guy]

I don't get the whole preseason games are not when you want to see him making that throw thought process.

That's exactly when I want him to make that throw.

Test his limits when it doesn't matter.

At this point in his career. His skill set is what it is.

He's going to be good at the stuff he's good at and bad at the stuff he's bad at.

I don't think pre-season is the only time you're going to see some of those throws. You guys will be debating ALL SEASON about this guy.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't get the whole preseason games are not when you want to see him making that throw thought process.

That's exactly when I want him to make that throw.

Test his limits when it doesn't matter.

Could you imagine the outrage and furor if he had thrown that ball and it was intercepted?

That said, I'm in agreement with the overall notion but I have to admit that after last season (and actually, the past 8 seasons), it was nice to see competent QB play on the first drive.

Regardless of how far the ball was in the air.

[JF08]

So the guy goes 7/8 and all you guys can talk about is the one incomplete pass? No wonder the Chiefs have sucked for so long - the fan base is riddled with negative nancy's! You guys are trolls.

[Kaepernick]

With a guy in his face, he'd have to put it up a little which gives the safety on top time to make a play. He probably could have put it up near the sideline and short so that the WR is the only with a chance at the ball..but yeah, the WR gonna take a hit.


I've seen Alex make throws on the run...he's able...but I'm sure clay is going to post that gif of the int to gore in 3 2 1...

The gif of Alex not seeing a wide-open Randy Moss run the entire width of the end zone is probably more germaine to this post.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1592273/Coach_Clips__5_.jpg

Left as a link because I can't find a smaller pic.

[KC native]

Let the Alexcuses flow...

ROFL

[mdchiefsfan]

Line-of-sight? The devil you say. Alex has line-of-sight between 2 spread defenders when the WR is circled in yellow. He HAS line-of-sight. WFT? 5'-10" Russell Wilson would have had line-of-sight on that pass, AND COMPLETED IT.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

Somebody else made the Alexcuse that a DB is in the right corner. Yes, with the WR in the middle of the field wide open and half the field to work with. That is an EASY completion for most QBs. EASY.

Alex often can't see or is unwilling to pull the trigger down field. I've seen this too many times, too many years to buy your Alexcuses. Don't mind me. I'll let you wait until mid-season when you've also seen it too many times and are pulling your hair out in frustration. You are gonna learn this from first hand experience and it won't take many games to see it.

I call bullshit. There is no way a pass that is across his body while running the opposite direction is an easy pass for any quarterback. Not to mention the defender in his face that could easily tip it.

I will generally call a spade a spade, but I think it was the right decision to take it out of bounds.

[9er guy]

So the guy goes 7/8 and all you guys can talk about is the one incomplete pass? No wonder the Chiefs have sucked for so long - the fan base is riddled with negative nancy's! You guys are trolls.

But this will be what you're going to get with him.

You're going to get very efficient play in terms of completions and Rating.

I think what was missing for me(when he was in SF) were impact plays from the QB position. Big plays, chunk yardage, things like that.

His completion pct will be high, that just how he plays. But I wonder if he'll be able to make the more difficult throws that he's struggled with throughout his career.

[jd1020]

I call bullshit. There is no way a pass that is across his body while running the opposite direction is an easy pass for any quarterback. Not to mention the defender in his face that could easily tip it.

I will generally call a spade a spade, but I think it was the right decision to take it out of bounds.

Are you kidding me? He's got 20+ yards of green grass ahead of McCluster to put the ball. If he can't make that throw... :banghead:

[9er guy]

I will generally call a spade a spade, but I think it was the right decision to take it out of bounds.

It definitely wasn't a bad decision. But do you play it that safe in a pre-season game? I'd to like to see him at least try to make the throw.

You have nothing to lose.

Again, these are things that are indicative of his play style.

If he's not making that throw in August, I don't see him making it in December.

[Kaepernick]

LMAO

Classic GoChiefs hating here.

That DB was half a ****ing football field away and not even thinking about a pick.

People are dreaming if they think the DB had a chance at that ball, unless Alex held it too long, which would be entirely possible.

Some people are just not going to believe Alex's unwillingness to make throws until they see it first hand. This is a classic example of it.

[9er guy]

Some people are just not going to believe Alex's unwillingness to make throws until they see it first hand. This is a classic example of it.

Oh man. They haven't seen anything yet. Wait until there's a guy open 40 yards downfield and Smitty checks it down for a two-yard gain on 3rd and 5.

[Kaepernick]

Alex missed the Baldwin hotread too.

I can't tell you if Alex doesn't see it, or is just unwilling to throw the ball - but this is a very real flaw in Alex's play. The thing is, Alex is athletic enough to make the throw. It is not as if he CAN'T throw it. He just WON'T throw it.