Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Coach]

Oh no.... Boxxy is mad now....

[Sorter]

Here's a link, you stupid fuck. OMG, look!!! It's pro teams totally using statistics!!!

http://i.imgur.com/RTwQn0Y.png

http://i.imgur.com/8RL4dsp.png

http://i.imgur.com/TzPd1tD.png

[Sorter]

OH MY FUCKING AVERAGE SIZED TESTICLES, TOM CRUISE, ARE THESE STATISTICS USED IN REAL FUCKING NFL SCOUTING REPORTS!!?????

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Teams have all the scouting reports on Alex Smith and still cant stop him. 26-5-1

[Sorter]

Teams have all the scouting reports on Alex Smith and still cant stop him. 26-5-1

This is true.

[Hammock Parties]

Teams have all the scouting reports on Alex Smith and still cant stop him.

http://i.imgur.com/WBHnuZl.jpg

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://i.imgur.com/WBHnuZl.jpg

26-5-1

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They seem to be stopping *him* pretty damned well.

Charles and this defense? Mmmm....not so much.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

They seem to be stopping *him* pretty damned well.

Charles and this defense? Mmmm....not so much.

If Alex sucked so much why are teams letting Charles beat them? Put 8 in box stop Charles.

[JENKINSWINS]

Did we win, or not? Was a score there needed for us to win, or not?

OMG is this guy still trying to say that the Chiefs lost even though they won? I asked him the same question and he just tried to circle around it. I don't get it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

26-5-1

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3697822/uspw_5483358_large_medium.jpg

Jack AND shit.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If Alex sucked so much why are teams letting Charles beat them? Put 8 in box stop Charles.

For reasons even I have yet to fathom, opposing defenses "respect" him(or more than likely Reid), to not do that.

[JENKINSWINS]

They seem to be stopping *him* pretty damned well.

Charles and this defense? Mmmm....not so much.

Not enough to stop him when he needs to take the lead doe.

[splatbass]

Do you have any ****ing idea how stats are used in collegiate and professional settings? Are you seriously that big of a ****ing mongoloid that you can't recognize that statistics + context are some of the most valuable tools when it comes to gameplanning? Do you have any idea how the **** a game is broken down?

So you are saying that they decide who goes to the SB based on the stats of the QBs and not on number of wins? Because that is what I was talking about when I said that only stat that counts to get you to the SB is wins.

[Hammock Parties]

It's like people never watched Bono, Grbac or Cassel.

My god.

[Sorter]

So you are saying that they decide who goes to the SB based on the stats of the QBs and not on number of wins? Because that is what I was talking about when I said that only stat that counts to get you to the SB is wins.

No, you stupid fuck. You said this.


The only stat that gets you to the SB is wins. No other stat matters




Please, tell me how stats don't matter again.

[splatbass]

OMG is this guy still trying to say that the Chiefs lost even though they won? I asked him the same question and he just tried to circle around it. I don't get it.

He had to resort to insulting me because he couldn't answer it.

[Sorter]

He had to resort to insulting me because he couldn't answer it.

LMAO

[Messier]

http://i.imgur.com/WBHnuZl.jpg

Wow! Kaepernick sucks.

[splatbass]

No, you stupid ****. You said this.







Please, tell me how stats don't matter again.

I already explained it to you. You get to the SB by winning games. You don't get there by having the QB with the most completions over 40 yards or anything like that. You have to win the games, which is a TEAM stat in a TEAM game.

[Sorter]

Come on Captain Wow, please educate me. I do love learning, even if it's froma creepy stalker such as yourself.

[Sorter]

I already explained it to you. You get to the SB by winning games. You don't get there by having the QB with the most completions over 40 yards or anything like that. You have to win the games, which is a TEAM stat in a TEAM game.

That isn't what you said.


You said:No other stat matters


So I'll ask again. Could you please tell me how stats don't matter. You're the one that decided to be a generalizing dumbass, so own up to it, Master Mongo.

[Tribal Warfare]

It's like people never watched Bono, Grbac or Cassel.

My god.

yep, same tune different singer.

[splatbass]

That isn't what you said.


You said:


So I'll ask again. Could you please tell me how stats don't matter. You're the one that decided to be a generalizing dumbass, so own up to it, Master Mongo.

Simple (for most of us anyway). You can have a team with a QB that owns all the passing stats, but still not make it to the SB, and you can have a QB that only has average stats and win the SB. Because wins decide who gets to and wins the SB, not passing stats.

[Sorter]

Simple (for most of us anyway). You can have a team with a QB that owns all the passing stats, but still not make it to the SB, and you can have a QB that only has average stats and win the SB.

Again, you're moving goalposts.

You said that wins and not a single other stat matters in professional football
This is incorrect and yet you continue to try and weasel your creepy self around it.

[splatbass]

Again, you're moving goalposts.

You said that wins and not a single other stat matters in professional football
This is incorrect and yet you continue to try and weasel your creepy self around it.

No, I said the only stat that counts to get to the SB is wins. Go back and read my post and the preceding posts.

It is 100% true. No one gets to advance in the playoffs after a loss because their QB had more passing yards, the WIN is what advances you.

[Sorter]

No, I said the only stat that counts to get to the SB is wins. Go back and read my post and the preceding posts.

It is 100% true. No one gets to advance in the playoffs after a loss because their QB had more passing yards, the WIN is what advances you.

That's true.


However, it isn't the only stat that matters. Which is what you said.


Every single team uses statistics to get to that position/win. They matter.

[Prison Bitch]

Alex has a rating of 79.3. This is better than his career number of 79.2. So we can all agree Alex is really showing improvement after his early struggles.


Completion percentage of 58.0% vs 59.1% career. YPC 6.28 vs 6.53. Not quite taking the next step is he?

[BigCatDaddy]

Alex has a rating of 79.3. This is better than his career number of 79.2. So we can all agree Alex is really showing improvement after his early struggles.


Completion percentage of 58.0% vs 59.1% career. YPC 6.28 vs 6.53. Not quite taking the next step is he?

This IS Alex. His numbers only improve when his attempts go way down.

[Nightfyre]

The only stat that gets you to the SB is wins. No other stat matters except for fantasy football and 30 year old virgins living in their parents basement.

Marty Schottenheimer had a head coaching record of 200-126 and never won a Super Bowl.

[Dave Lane]

http://i.imgur.com/WBHnuZl.jpg

Well EJ Manuel is worse so there is that.

[Dave Lane]

This IS Alex. His numbers only improve when his attempts go way down.

They are 100% when he's on the bench.

[KC Dan]

Well EJ Manuel is worse so there is that.7 - 0

[Dave Lane]

Wow! Kaepernick sucks.

And Geno is better than Schaub, Flacco and RGIII.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

http://i.imgur.com/WBHnuZl.jpg

ROFL at Kapernick

[NinerDoug]

If Alex sucked so much why are teams letting Charles beat them? Put 8 in box stop Charles.

Because they know that, despite popular opinion, Alex is actually capable of throwing a decent pass.

[NinerDoug]

For reasons even I have yet to fathom, opposing defenses "respect" him(or more than likely Reid), to not do that.

Well, if DCs of NFL teams respect him, and SDH does not, you gotta wonder, if maybe, just maybe, SDH ought to possibly take a second look at things. Maybe he is not being completely objective. Just a thought.

[9er guy]

ROFL at Kapernick

Still gettin those W's though. You guys should know all about how that works.

[Mav]

And Geno is better than Schaub, Flacco and RGIII.

Yeah.....Im not buying that list. You see where BRANDON WEEDEN IS?

[Easy 6]

Bray is not ready. He needs to clearly win the #2 next season, and we can go from there.

Right here.

[NinerDoug]

Still gettin those W's though. You guys should know all about how that works.

He had two bad games, unlikely to be repeated this season. That chart does not place him where, in any reasonable objective rating system, he should be.

[BigMeatballDave]

Uh, isn't that huge fucking sig pic in violation?

[NinerDoug]

Uh, isn't that huge ****ing sig pic in violation?

Is it? I assumed it wouldn't work if it violated. Will remove.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<a href="http://tinypic.com?ref=2z56csw" target="_blank"><img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/2z56csw.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a>

[BigMeatballDave]

Is it? I assumed it wouldn't work if it violated. Will remove.

LOL I don't really know, but no need to remove it, just reduce it.

[Hammock Parties]

Alex's passing chart for the season.

Notice one area in particular that's seeing way too many completions?

Take away the middle of the field, and Alex is helpless.

http://i.imgur.com/AoMdL9b.jpg

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Well, if DCs of NFL teams respect him, and SDH does not, you gotta wonder, if maybe, just maybe, SDH ought to possibly take a second look at things. Maybe he is not being completely objective. Just a thought.

SDH expects better from his QB's.

Right now, we're drinking a room temperature Bud Light Lime when we could be drinking a hydro-cooled bottle of Chimay Grand.

[Direckshun]

Alex's passing chart for the season.

Notice one area in particular that's seeing way too many completions?

Take away the middle of the field, and Alex is helpless.

http://i.imgur.com/AoMdL9b.jpg

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. It would sure seem that way.

Why the fuck haven't teams done it, then, over the past three years, with Alex Smith beating them 75% of the goddamn time, I wonder?

[Hammock Parties]

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. It would sure seem that way.

Why the fuck haven't teams done it, then, over the past three years, with Alex Smith beating them 75% of the goddamn time, I wonder?

You realize, of course, that the 49ers threw the ball a lot less, and their passing game wasn't especially productive?

Team see this on film. They are going to take away the middle of the field more and more as the season goes on.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Bray
<<<<<<<<<<

[JF08]

You know, I'm really wanting to like the Chiefs and be a fan, but there are a select number of you in here that make it pretty damn difficult. I don't think this idiocy and hate is indicative of Chiefs fans in general, at least I hope it isn't.

2-14 to 7-0, and Smith has a lot to do with that. Minimal turnovers, take what the defense gives, making plays when he needs to, and staying competitive in EVERY game. It's been a winning formula for him for 3 years now, and if there was an easy way to take it away, opposing defensive coordinators would have figured it out by now. Instead of embracing this winning formula, some of you would rather continue to suck so that you have the hope of the #1 pick again so you can "get a QB of your own." Lol hilarious.

[Sandy Vagina]

You know, I'm really wanting to like the Chiefs and be a fan, but there are a select number of you in here that make it pretty damn difficult. I don't think this idiocy and hate is indicative of Chiefs fans in general, at least I hope it isn't.

2-14 to 7-0, and Smith has a lot to do with that.

some of you would rather continue to suck so that you have the hope of the #1 pick again so you can "get a QB of your own." Lol hilarious.

Great post.. and no, the majority of Chiefs fans have Alex's back. As per usual, it is the minority that cry incessantly and the loudest. I think it's great, to be honest. Why? because they clearly are suffering and clearly deserve to suffer... so their bleeding vaginas are more amusing than anything.

Go Chiefs! Go Alex! Enjoying the season so far... but you can play better still! :)

[Hammock Parties]

It's been a winning formula for him for 3 years now, and if there was an easy way to take it away, opposing defensive coordinators would have figured it out by now.

It's impossible to stop Alex from scoring 17-20 PPG.

He is a juggernaut.

[TimeForWasp]

This thread needs to die in an aids tree forest fire.

[Bearcat]

At least people have a good grasp of reality.

[Halfcan]

You know, I'm really wanting to like the Chiefs and be a fan, but there are a select number of you in here that make it pretty damn difficult. I don't think this idiocy and hate is indicative of Chiefs fans in general, at least I hope it isn't.

2-14 to 7-0, and Smith has a lot to do with that. Minimal turnovers, take what the defense gives, making plays when he needs to, and staying competitive in EVERY game. It's been a winning formula for him for 3 years now, and if there was an easy way to take it away, opposing defensive coordinators would have figured it out by now. Instead of embracing this winning formula, some of you would rather continue to suck so that you have the hope of the #1 pick again so you can "get a QB of your own." Lol hilarious.

So you are a bandwagon fan since we are 7-0? We don't need you. Maybe try the Colts they are a hot team this week.

[Mr. Plow]

This thread needs to die in an aids tree forest fire.

This thread doesn't die until the Conference Realignment thread dies. There isn't even a quarter of the bullshit in here that is in that thread.

[Halfcan]

Great post.. and no, the majority of Chiefs fans have Alex's back. As per usual, it is the minority that cry incessantly and the loudest. I think it's great, to be honest. Why? because they clearly are suffering and clearly deserve to suffer... so their bleeding vaginas are more amusing than anything.

Go Chiefs! Go Alex! Enjoying the season so far... but you can play better still! :)

One more game to show something-if Alex stinks up the field like he has the last month- you will see a lot more of these threads. It will be hard to keep defending a QB that hasn't thrown a TD in a fuckin month!!

[TimeForWasp]

This thread doesn't die until the Conference Realignment thread dies. There isn't even a quarter of the bullshit in here that is in that thread.

I have aleady got that thread on iggy. about to do this one. it's stupid.

[Bearcat]

This thread doesn't die until the Conference Realignment thread dies. There isn't even a quarter of the bullshit in here that is in that thread.

At least this one will have an end point... that thread has 18k+ posts including the first thread, and it'll go on forever as the last remaining KU/MU dick measuring contest (at least as long as the teams don't play again).

[JF08]

Great post.. and no, the majority of Chiefs fans have Alex's back. As per usual, it is the minority that cry incessantly and the loudest. I think it's great, to be honest. Why? because they clearly are suffering and clearly deserve to suffer... so their bleeding vaginas are more amusing than anything.

Go Chiefs! Go Alex! Enjoying the season so far... but you can play better still! :)

He can, and should, play better. There is a ton of room for him to improve, but he has shown thus far that he does improve over time. As with any QB, consistency in the same system yields better and better results. Smith the past two seasons has been one of the most accurate passers in the league, so over time he will get more accurate (and his WR's will drop less balls which will help). There is so much to look forward to with this team but these clowns just want to focus on the bad with this ONE player. As if his play isn't aided (or not) by the other 10 guys around him!

FYI, Alex Smith has a better passer rating than Tom Brady this year, so if Alex sucks, then Brady must REALLY suck.

[Bearcat]

LMAO

[DeezNutz]

He can, and should, play better. There is a ton of room for him to improve, but he has shown thus far that he does improve over time. As with any QB, consistency in the same system yields better and better results. Smith the past two seasons has been one of the most accurate passers in the league, so over time he will get more accurate (and his WR's will drop less balls which will help). There is so much to look forward to with this team but these clowns just want to focus on the bad with this ONE player. As if his play isn't aided (or not) by the other 10 guys around him!

FYI, Alex Smith has a better passer rating than Tom Brady this year, so if Alex sucks, then Brady must REALLY suck.

And this is what fuels the bullshit.

Alex Smith is a mother****ing average QB. At best. On his very best day, he's average.

The sooner we all accept this, the sooner we can live in harmony. Until then, KU will always have a joke of a football "program" and hopelessly compare themselves to Mizzou in this capacity.

[Bearcat]

Oh no, we should go to great, ridiculous lengths to rationalize Smith's play while completely discounting those who are going to great lengths to show he sucks.

It's the only way.

[KCDC]

And this is what fuels the bullshit.

Alex Smith is a mother****ing average QB. At best. On his very best day, he's average.

The sooner we all accept this, the sooner we can live in harmony. .


Amen

[Mr. Plow]

And this is what fuels the bullshit.

Alex Smith is a mother****ing average QB. At best. On his very best day, he's average.

The sooner we all accept this, the sooner we can live in harmony. Until then, KU will always have a joke of a football "program" and hopelessly compare themselves to Mizzou in this capacity.


LMAO

Fuck you asshole. You will NOT bring KU/MU bullshit into this thread. :D

[Jakemall]

Alex's passing chart for the season.

Notice one area in particular that's seeing way too many completions?

Take away the middle of the field, and Alex is helpless.

http://i.imgur.com/AoMdL9b.jpg

Could you do the same chart for Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton and Tom Brady?

Thanks.

[Jakemall]

And this is what fuels the bullshit.

Alex Smith is a mother****ing average QB. At best. On his very best day, he's average.

The sooner we all accept this, the sooner we can live in harmony. Until then, KU will always have a joke of a football "program" and hopelessly compare themselves to Mizzou in this capacity.

This is bullshit.

[DeezNutz]

LMAO

**** you asshole. You will NOT bring KU/MU bullshit into this thread. :D

LMAO.

[DeezNutz]

This is bullshit.

OK, you're right; Alex Smith fucking sucks.

[Jakemall]

OK, you're right; Alex Smith ****ing sucks.

You can argue that he's average right now...statistically, that's fair. But you can't argue at his best he's average. He's had some nearly perfect games in the past.

[Brock]

You know, I'm really wanting to like the Chiefs and be a fan, but there are a select number of you in here that make it pretty damn difficult. I don't think this idiocy and hate is indicative of Chiefs fans in general, at least I hope it isn't.

2-14 to 7-0, and Smith has a lot to do with that. Minimal turnovers, take what the defense gives, making plays when he needs to, and staying competitive in EVERY game. It's been a winning formula for him for 3 years now, and if there was an easy way to take it away, opposing defensive coordinators would have figured it out by now. Instead of embracing this winning formula, some of you would rather continue to suck so that you have the hope of the #1 pick again so you can "get a QB of your own." Lol hilarious.

Most chief fans were thrilled with the trades for Bono, Grbac, and Cassel as well. 2 years later, the boos coming from arrowhead were deafening. Hope alex gets his shit together like you nut-huggers are saying he will.

[Jakemall]

Most chief fans were thrilled with the trades for Bono, Grbac, and Cassel as well. 2 years later, the boos coming from arrowhead were deafening. Hope alex gets his shit together like you nut-huggers are saying he will.

Well...there's something that we agree on. Let's not keep this up.

[saphojunkie]

Alex's passing chart for the season.

Notice one area in particular that's seeing way too many completions?

Take away the middle of the field, and Alex is helpless.

http://i.imgur.com/AoMdL9b.jpg

Look at that deep middle accuracy.

This fucking team needs a Gronk BAD.

[Brock]

You can argue that he's average right now...statistically, that's fair. But you can't argue at his best he's average. He's had some nearly perfect games in the past.

He's been the definition of ordinary for most of his career. What's so tough to understand?

[Bearcat]

Hey, we should now break down some of those 'near perfect' games and compare them to other quarterbacks that might be seen as average or below average, then come up with other games where he was above average and then throw around some win-loss stats and stuff.

[Bearcat]

Most chief fans were thrilled with the trades for Bono, Grbac, and Cassel as well. 2 years later, the boos coming from arrowhead were deafening. Hope alex gets his shit together like you nut-huggers are saying he will.

Pffft, it's so much different this time.


So much different.

[DeezNutz]

Pffft, it's so much different this time.


So much different.

Exactly. This time we have a defense and a decent running game.

[saphojunkie]

He's been the definition of ordinary for most of his career. What's so tough to understand?

At his best, he is an above average to good QB with a strong command of the game who lacks the arm strength and touch to connect with open receivers at all points of the field. He will never ever ever be elite.

However, he has tools, namely his mind and his mobility that make up for a lot of his weaknesses.

Smith has made plays with his legs that Brady can't, which is why he isn't below average IMO. Brady makes 1,000,000x more plays with his arm, though. Which is why he'll never be good or very good.

Smith is above average at best and below average at worst. He's not complete dogshit (Cassel) and he's not a franchise QB (Rodgers).

None of this matters, though. Smith is here for next season at the least, barring injury.

We won't draft a QB until 2015.

[Bearcat]

Exactly. This time we have a defense and a decent running game.

As opposed to the mid-90s?

[Baby Lee]

Most chief fans were thrilled with the trades for Bono, Grbac, and Cassel as well. 2 years later, the boos coming from arrowhead were deafening. Hope alex gets his shit together like you nut-huggers are saying he will.

I think you are overstating it quite a bit.

Bono was a meh move for a team that was content to let the D carry the load. He was a step above DeBerg and Krieg, but a big step down from Montana, who we wished would have given us a season or two more.

Grbac was a good quarterback who had the skills to be one of the better quarterbacks the franchise ever had, but he never matured into a professional adult person. He was our Jeff George, our Ryan Leaf. $100M arm, $.10 brain.

Cassel was hot garbage from the get, even the few people that had any optimism in him knew we paid him way too much for too long of a contract. For myself, there was not one minute where I had so much as a toe on the Cassel bandwagon, MicroMachine that it was.

[ChiefsCountry]

As opposed to the mid-90s?

cough Sarcasm cough

[Bearcat]

cough Sarcasm cough

That crossed my mind, but wasn't sure if he was just referring to 2010... not really used to any kind of intelligence in this thread, so I kind of turn the sarcasm detector off.

[DeezNutz]

I think you are overstating it quite a bit.

Bono was a meh move for a team that was content to let the D carry the load. He was a step above DeBerg and Krieg, but a big step down from Montana, who we wished would have given us a season or two more.

Grbac was a good quarterback who had the skills to be one of the better quarterbacks the franchise ever had, but he never matured into a professional adult person. He was our Jeff George, our Ryan Leaf. $100M arm, $.10 brain.

Cassel was hot garbage from the get, even the few people that had any optimism in him knew we paid him way too much for too long of a contract. For myself, there was not one minute where I had so much as a toe on the Cassel bandwagon, MicroMachine that it was.

Is this not Alex fucking Smith? The same QB who "puts his D in good positions"?

[Mav]

Is this not Alex ****ing Smith? The same QB who "puts his D in good positions"?

Good luck arguing that point successfully.

I think that argument is beyond dead at this point. he clearly puts the defense in better positions.

This is a MANS defense.

[Mr. Plow]

Good luck arguing that point successfully.

I think that argument is beyond dead at this point. he clearly puts the defense in better positions.

This is a MANS defense.

Clearly this team is completely different from any of the Chiefs teams of the 90's.

[DeezNutz]

Good luck arguing that point successfully.

I think that argument is beyond dead at this point. he clearly puts the defense in better positions.

This is a MANS defense.

Yep. Put them in a great position at the end of the last game. Perfect. Exactly where we wanted to be.

With the game on the line, the offense put the ball in Alex Smith's modestly capable hands, and he came up small. On several occasions.

[Mav]

Yep. Put them in a great position at the end of the last game. Perfect. Exactly where we wanted to be.

With the game on the line, the offense put the ball in Alex Smith's modestly capable hands, and he came up small. On several occasions.

That doesn't happen to every qb every year?

That happened ONE time this year, how many times has the opposite been true?

It happens. I guess the elite qb that Alex Smith is (sark mark) isn't allowed a mistake. Elite qbs don't make them.

[Mav]

Clearly this team is completely different from any of the Chiefs teams of the 90's.

I would never insult any Chiefs fan by pretending that I knew anything about the Chiefs in the 90's other than what I knew from Tecmo Super Bowl.

Im an arrogant prick, but im not that arrogant.

[Simply Red]

Clearly this team is completely different from any of the Chiefs teams of the 90's.

knotted at 22

[Baby Lee]

Is this not Alex fucking Smith? The same QB who "puts his D in good positions"?

I don't think so. Smith is smarter, more athletic, more savvy, and more composed than Bono. And I think he has a chance to come closer to Montana than a lot of people realize.

People romanticize Montana, and rightfully so for the many great things he did. But he wasn't immune to putrid outings.

Thing was, he was clutch. He and Elway had a knack for throwing a hot mess out there on the field, until it came time to buckle the belt and bear down.

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now. We remember the couple of great passes and spiking the Buddy Ryan poster, but he was overthrowing and underthrowing and taking sacks like a mug for much of the game.

I've said since he signed that my expectation of Alex is that he be CLUTCH, not eye popping, not stats padding, not gunslinging, but solid as Matco when the game is on the line.

Sucks for me, because I won't know if I'm ultimately wrong or right about him until the same time all the naysayers learn the same, the playoffs when it's one and done. But knowing that I try to refrain from harping on it day in, day out, like the naysaying dicksucks around here. I just enjoy what I see, and store up evidence that he seems consistently capable of meeting the metrics I have for him.

[Chiefspants]

I think you are overstating it quite a bit.

Bono was a meh move for a team that was content to let the D carry the load. He was a step above DeBerg and Krieg, but a big step down from Montana, who we wished would have given us a season or two more.

Grbac was a good quarterback who had the skills to be one of the better quarterbacks the franchise ever had, but he never matured into a professional adult person. He was our Jeff George, our Ryan Leaf. $100M arm, $.10 brain.

Cassel was hot garbage from the get, even the few people that had any optimism in him knew we paid him way too much for too long of a contract. For myself, there was not one minute where I had so much as a toe on the Cassel bandwagon, MicroMachine that it was.

God...Montana with the 95' Defense.

[DeezNutz]

That doesn't happen to every qb every year?

That happened ONE time this year, how many times has the opposite been true?

It happens. I guess the elite qb that Alex Smith is (sark mark) isn't allowed a mistake. Elite qbs don't make them.

One time? If 2013 Alex Smith is how we're defining above average QB play for the Chiefs, this fanbase is going to be happy for a long, long time.

He's been average. At best. From my perspective, he's been a big liability.

[DeezNutz]

I don't think so. Smith is smarter, more athletic, more savvy, and more composed than Bono. And I think he has a chance to come closer to Montana than a lot of people realize.

People romanticize Montana, and rightfully so for the many great things he did. But he wasn't immune to putrid outings.

Thing was, he was clutch. He and Elway had a knack for throwing a hot mess out there on the field, until it came time to buckle the belt and bear down.

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now. We remember the couple of great passes and spiking the Buddy Ryan poster, but he was overthrowing and underthrowing and taking sacks like a mug for much of the game.

I've said since he signed that my expectation of Alex is that he be CLUTCH, not eye popping, not stats padding, not gunslinging, but solid as Matco when the game is on the line.

Sucks for me, because I won't know if I'm ultimately wrong or right about him until the same time all the naysayers learn the same, the playoffs when it's one and done. But knowing that I try to refrain from harping on it day in, day out, like the naysaying dicksucks around here. I just enjoy what I see, and store up evidence that he seems consistently capable of meeting the metrics I have for him.

OK, this is fair. I won't flip you shit, and we'll see how this thing plays out.

[Mav]

One time? If 2013 Alex Smith is how we're defining above average QB play for the Chiefs, this fanbase is going to be happy for a long, long time.

He's been average. At best. From my perspective, he's been a big liability.

You see my sig?

You will get no argument from me.

Im just stating that regardless of what people want to say about him, something about him being the qb translates to whatever TEAM he is on having a dominant defense the past three years.

it defies logic, but it is what it is.

[Simply Red]

It's also possible that Andy Reid is just a ****ing moron.

GREAT POST!!!

[DeezNutz]

You see my sig?

You will get no argument from me.

Im just stating that regardless of what people want to say about him, something about him being the qb translates to whatever TEAM he is on having a dominant defense the past three years.

it defies logic, but it is what it is.

This team has a dominant defense because of the talent on that side of the ball + coaching. Alex Smith just happened to suck enough to lose his job in one place and fall ass over elbows into a good situation.

The defense has absolutely NOTHING to do with Smith. Hell, he puts them back on the field entirely too much and puts far too much stress on them by not generating enough points.

[Mav]

This team has a dominant defense because of the talent on that side of the ball + coaching. Alex Smith just happened to suck enough to lose his job in one place and fall ass over elbows into a good situation.

The defense has absolutely NOTHING to do with Smith. Hell, he puts them back on the field entirely too much and puts far too much stress on them by not generating enough points.

Yeahhhhhhhh. See, you are putting me in a terrible position. Because now I have to go back to defending Alex Smith, and I hate doing that lately.

Alex didn't suck at all when he "lost" his job. Matter of fact, he had just come off being the NFC Offensive player of the week and had one of the greatest statistical games in the history of the game as far as completion percentage was concerned, and at the time of being hurt, was 25-27 for 300+ yards and 4 tds.

Second. Okay. Cool.

Yeah, the defense was TALENTED last year too. But, if your qbs were the same as last year, and still turned the ball over 37 times, the defense would of been considered average at best.

A lot of that IS on Alex Smith.

Again, you aren't going to agree with me. You are barricaded in your corner with your HEELS dug in.

I have three years of PROOF to back up what you are trying to force on people as an opinion.

[O.city]

The defense is good enough on its own, it can do its part if put in bad situations.

We can't get like last year in terms of turnovers, but I think we need to, hope and think we will open up he offense more and try and score more points, being more aggressive

[DeezNutz]

Yeahhhhhhhh. See, you are putting me in a terrible position. Because now I have to go back to defending Alex Smith, and I hate doing that lately.

Alex didn't suck at all when he "lost" his job. Matter of fact, he had just come off being the NFC Offensive player of the week and had one of the greatest statistical games in the history of the game as far as completion percentage was concerned, and at the time of being hurt, was 25-27 for 300+ yards and 4 tds.

Second. Okay. Cool.

Yeah, the defense was TALENTED last year too. But, if your qbs were the same as last year, and still turned the ball over 37 times, the defense would of been considered average at best.

A lot of that IS on Alex Smith.

Again, you aren't going to agree with me. You are barricaded in your corner with your HEELS dug in.

I have three years of PROOF to back up what you are trying to force on people as an opinion.

Our metric is that Smith improves the defense by not turning it over. Great. Fine. True. And this is what we're reduced to?

Smith puts the D in a good position because he facilitates the punt. Welcome to KC.

[Nightfyre]

Just like that goal-line stand in the Texans game. Man did that pump me up.

[Mav]

Our metric is that Smith improves the defense by not turning it over. Great. Fine. True. And this is what we're reduced to?

Smith puts the D in a good position because he facilitates the punt. Welcome to KC.

I have never claimed any other positives for Alex Smith.

His ability to not turn it over.

And ill say this again. For opposing offenses, it has to be EXTREMELY disheartening after a Colquitt punt to look up, and see they have to go 80+ yards to score.

As opposed to last year, the Chiefs gave the ball away like a child molester giving away candy.

Is Alex Smith great? Hell no, he would barely on most days be passable as above average. But, the plus turnover ratio, has to be considered.

Check all the losing teams in the league right now.

Most of them have HUGE negative turnover ratios.

[Baby Lee]

GREAT POST!!!

That is 8 months old, and htis has been gone from here nearly as long.

[DeezNutz]

I have never claimed any other positives for Alex Smith.

His ability to not turn it over.

And ill say this again. For opposing offenses, it has to be EXTREMELY disheartening after a Colquitt punt to look up, and see they have to go 80+ yards to score.

As opposed to last year, the Chiefs gave the ball away like a child molester giving away candy.

Is Alex Smith great? Hell no, he would barely on most days be passable as above average. But, the plus turnover ratio, has to be considered.

Check all the losing teams in the league right now.

Most of them have HUGE negative turnover ratios.

OK, we have common ground here. The problem is that Chiefs fans who have been around the block understand the outcome of having a conservative game manager at the helm.

This is the 90s.

[Bearcat]

I don't think so. Smith is smarter, more athletic, more savvy, and more composed than Bono. And I think he has a chance to come closer to Montana than a lot of people realize.

People romanticize Montana, and rightfully so for the many great things he did. But he wasn't immune to putrid outings.

Thing was, he was clutch. He and Elway had a knack for throwing a hot mess out there on the field, until it came time to buckle the belt and bear down.

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now. We remember the couple of great passes and spiking the Buddy Ryan poster, but he was overthrowing and underthrowing and taking sacks like a mug for much of the game.

I've said since he signed that my expectation of Alex is that he be CLUTCH, not eye popping, not stats padding, not gunslinging, but solid as Matco when the game is on the line.

Sucks for me, because I won't know if I'm ultimately wrong or right about him until the same time all the naysayers learn the same, the playoffs when it's one and done. But knowing that I try to refrain from harping on it day in, day out, like the naysaying dicksucks around here. I just enjoy what I see, and store up evidence that he seems consistently capable of meeting the metrics I have for him.

I'm pretty sure if Alex Smith had won multiple SBs for the 49ers and was on his way to the AFC Championship game, people would overlook it, too. As far as other bad games, if you're going to criticize Joe Montana, you're going to be really sure first.

Alex Smith is just another retread QB and has been treated like one from some people from day one... I've said all along that there's a shitload of evidence stacked against him, which means I'm not going to act like I don't know how it's ended all of these years... but at the same time, he'll have plenty of chances to create his own ending and plenty of opportunities to win over the skeptics. And hell, I'd say 'of course he doesn't have the same luxury as Joe Montana when it comes to fans rationalizing away bad games'... but, that's not even true.

And yeah, no one will really know one way or the other until they play some legit contenders, but some are so desperate to push their agenda, that a few games against shitty teams might as well be playoff games.

[Mav]

I'm pretty sure if Alex Smith had won multiple SBs for the 49ers and was on his way to the AFC Championship game, people would overlook it, too. As far as other bad games, if you're going to criticize Joe Montana, you're going to be really sure first.

Alex Smith is just another retread QB and has been treated like one from some people from day one... I've said all along that there's a shitload of evidence stacked against him, which means I'm not going to act like I don't know how it's ended all of these years... but at the same time, he'll have plenty of chances to create his own ending and plenty of opportunities to win over the skeptics. And hell, I'd say 'of course he doesn't have the same luxury as Joe Montana when it comes to fans rationalizing away bad games'... but, that's not even true.

And yeah, no one will really know one way or the other until they play some legit contenders, but some are so desperate to push their agenda, that a few games against shitty teams might as well be playoff games.

I stated it a long time ago. No matter what Alex Smith does, it is never going to be enough.

Even if god forbid the Chiefs won the super bowl this year, and Alex Smith was the MVP of it, if the Chiefs had a legitimate qb they would of BLOWN out whoever they beat, rather than just winning by 4 points.

It is the way it is.

That's NEVER going to change.

How any Chiefs fan could go from disappointed by a 2-14 season, to trading two 2nds for a back up, to drafting a RT #1 overall to 7-0 and being upset by anything, and feeling ENTITLED to do so, is why this sport is great. From the outhouse to the pent house.

With the amount of BITCHING on this forum, two things are clearly evident. people are missing out on an EPIC defensive showing, one that was thought to be dead in todays modern NFL, and two that people are never happy regardless of the situation.

[Nightfyre]

How, exactly, are we missing out on the epic defensive showing if we watch each game and often more than once?

[Mav]

How, exactly, are we missing out on the epic defensive showing if we watch each game and often more than once?

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't hurt your foot. Not every comment is directed at every single person. There are people on here who love DEFENSE, and can appreciate it for what it is. The majority of the people who are screaming how the chiefs are the same old same old, because of an inept offense, are taking away and underestimating the value of this defense and just how dominant it is.

If you can appreciate it, then that's GREAT because it is SPECIAL.

Best defense I have seen since 2000.

And the 49ers defense of 2011 WAS SPECIAL. This one is better.

[Bearcat]

I stated it a long time ago. No matter what Alex Smith does, it is never going to be enough.

Even if god forbid the Chiefs won the super bowl this year, and Alex Smith was the MVP of it, if the Chiefs had a legitimate qb they would of BLOWN out whoever they beat, rather than just winning by 4 points.

It is the way it is.

That's NEVER going to change.

How any Chiefs fan could go from disappointed by a 2-14 season, to trading two 2nds for a back up, to drafting a RT #1 overall to 7-0 and being upset by anything, and feeling ENTITLED to do so, is why this sport is great. From the outhouse to the pent house.

With the amount of BITCHING on this forum, two things are clearly evident. people are missing out on an EPIC defensive showing, one that was thought to be dead in todays modern NFL, and two that people are never happy regardless of the situation.

100% horseshit.

Just a decade ago this forum went from 'Trint' to loving the guy, and that team didn't even win a playoff game. And if you've ready anything on this thread in the past month, people have said over and over and over that they simply want to see Smith consistently compete with the big boys, much less win a SB.

And FFS, how the hell would you know how people here would react if the Chiefs won one playoff game, much less a SB, when the board didn't exist the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game? It's been TWENTY FUCKING YEARS and you don't think Chiefs fans aren't desperate to buy into a great quarterback?

Come on, man...

[Baby Lee]

How, exactly, are we missing out on the epic defensive showing if we watch each game and often more than once?

If you are part of the contingent that have convinced themselves that it's all already useless because we're never going anywhere anyways because Alex going to Lin Eliot it up in the playoffs, you're at least missing some part of it.

[Simply Red]

That is 8 months old, and htis has been gone from here nearly as long.

that's why I posted that - just being silly.

[BigCatDaddy]

Only Chief fans would really behind a QB with a sub 80 QBR in his 8th season :facepalm:

[Nightfyre]

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't hurt your foot. Not every comment is directed at every single person. There are people on here who love DEFENSE, and can appreciate it for what it is. The majority of the people who are screaming how the chiefs are the same old same old, because of an inept offense, are taking away and underestimating the value of this defense and just how dominant it is.

If you can appreciate it, then that's GREAT because it is SPECIAL.

Best defense I have seen since 2000.

And the 49ers defense of 2011 WAS SPECIAL. This one is better.

This defense is epic and probably rivals the 90s. Hell it may even be better. But that defense won us a whole lot of nothing in seven trips to the playoffs under Schottenheimer.

[Bearcat]

If you are part of the contingent that have convinced themselves that it's all already useless because we're never going anywhere anyways because Alex going to Lin Eliot it up in the playoffs, you're at least missing some part of it.

I don't think that group of people exists... at least not nearly in the number you or anyone else might be thinking. Everything is hyperbole and absolutes around here, but there are plenty of people who really, really want to be wrong, but are lumped into this mostly illusory group of haters who must be happier when the Chiefs lose just so they can push their agenda.

[O.city]

100% horseshit.

Just a decade ago this forum went from 'Trint' to loving the guy, and that team didn't even win a playoff game. And if you've ready anything on this thread in the past month, people have said over and over and over that they simply want to see Smith consistently compete with the big boys, much less win a SB.

And FFS, how the hell would you know how people here would react if the Chiefs won one playoff game, much less a SB, when the board didn't exist the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game? It's been TWENTY ****ING YEARS and you don't think Chiefs fans aren't desperate to buy into a great quarterback?

Come on, man...

While I do agree with the premise, what big boys should he compete with? I mean, he out scored drew Bree's in a playoff game, but that was rationalized away.

I want to be a team that's looked upon as the pats, steelers, etc, in that we are a playoff constant with a chance every year. I don't think Alex can do that, but I'm not sure yet if he can't.

So again, I do agree, I just don't think we will know until January or later either way, so I'm not going to get too upset either way.

[mattschiefs]

OK, we have common ground here. The problem is that Chiefs fans who have been around the block understand the outcome of having a conservative game manager at the helm.

This is the 90s.

This is the biggest bs statement Smith haters use

The fact is what has happened in the past has NOTHING to do with what will happen to this team. Every year is different. Every team is different. Any team can win in any way. Alex Smith is not to blame for the failures of others. He is not Steve Bono,Elvis Grbac,Matt Cassel. He is Alex Smith he is undefeated as the QB of the Kansas City Chiefs. Sorry haters it's fact. Whats going to happen I don't know. But I do know that the past will have NOTHING to do with it.

[Bearcat]

While I do agree with the premise, what big boys should he compete with? I mean, he out scored drew Bree's in a playoff game, but that was rationalized away.

I want to be a team that's looked upon as the pats, steelers, etc, in that we are a playoff constant with a chance every year. I don't think Alex can do that, but I'm not sure yet if he can't.

So again, I do agree, I just don't think we will know until January or later either way, so I'm not going to get too upset either way.

I'm talking about what he can do as a Chief.... buying in based on past games or whatever is completely different. If he wins as a Chief and consistently competes with playoff calibre teams, there's really no doubt in my mind that he'd become a fan favorite. Sure, it might take more than one or two games... if they won a WC game and then lost in the 2nd round this year, I'm sure there will be holdouts... but an AFC Championship game? A freakin' SB win, like he mentioned? It's not even a question, assuming he's at least doing some good on the field.

And yeah, the games vs Denver and Indy will go a long way, and then hopefully there's a good test in the playoffs... not that he needs to win all of those or even one of those this year, but being competitive would be a nice start.

[Baby Lee]

I don't think that group of people exists... at least not nearly in the number you or anyone else might be thinking. Everything is hyperbole and absolutes around here, but there are plenty of people who really, really want to be wrong, but are lumped into this mostly illusory group of haters who must be happier when the Chiefs lose just so they can push their agenda.

Maybe you're right, maybe I've been overeacting to comments like;

We've seen this before
This is the 90s
We know how this worked out with Marty
Just like Bono, Grbac and Cassel
We know where game managers leave us
The inevitable downfall against real competition

etc.

Your basic 'I know the future because I'm traumatized by the past.'

[Kaepernick]

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. It would sure seem that way.

Why the **** haven't teams done it, then, over the past three years, with Alex Smith beating them 75% of the goddamn time, I wonder?

The NY Giants did just that in the 2011 NFC conference championship game, daring Alex to beat them deep, resulting in 1 for 13 in 3rd down conversions, and holding the entire 49ers receiving corps to just 1 reception.

The Giants and Seahawks did that to Alex in the 2011 regular season as well.

[Bearcat]

Maybe you're right, maybe I've been overeacting to comments like;

We've seen this before
This is the 90s
We know how this worked out with Marty
Just like Bono, Grbac and Cassel
We know where game managers leave us
The inevitable downfall against real competition

etc.

Your basic 'I know the future because I'm traumatized by the past.'

I've defintely said that a lot, out of 1) amazement at how some determined the opposite was true after the first week or two, and it really is different this time (of course, stating the absolute one way or the other that early is ridiculous either way), 2) defending my position that I haven't bought in and might actually be waiting several games before making any firm opinions, and 3) yeah, frustration that I follow a team that clearly doesn't get it when it comes to one of the most important positions in sports.

It feels like I've been on this ride before, because it's basically the only one I know as a Chiefs fan, but as jaded or apathetic or even skeptical as I might be, I have no reason to resist or rationalize away the kind of play it takes to win big games once I see it. I'd love to hand over hundreds of dollars (again) to watch it all live, but they'll have to earn it first (this time).

The argument has definitely gone to such ridiculous lengths that you don't really know where people stand... hell, sometimes I start with a simple point like how I want to see some consistency from Smith, and after an hour or two of responding to hyperbole and strawmen, I start feeling like I'm hating on the guy, when I'm only trying to bring the conversation back from one far end of the spectrum or the other.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You know, I'm really wanting to like the Chiefs and be a fan, but there are a select number of you in here that make it pretty damn difficult. I don't think this idiocy and hate is indicative of Chiefs fans in general, at least I hope it isn't.

2-14 to 7-0, and Smith has a lot to do with that. Minimal turnovers, take what the defense gives, making plays when he needs to, and staying competitive in EVERY game. It's been a winning formula for him for 3 years now, and if there was an easy way to take it away, opposing defensive coordinators would have figured it out by now. Instead of embracing this winning formula, some of you would rather continue to suck so that you have the hope of the #1 pick again so you can "get a QB of your own." Lol hilarious.

The defense has been giving him a lot. Welcome to the 90's.

Great post.. and no, the majority of Chiefs fans have Alex's back. As per usual, it is the minority that cry incessantly and the loudest. I think it's great, to be honest. Why? because they clearly are suffering and clearly deserve to suffer... so their bleeding vaginas are more amusing than anything.

Go Chiefs! Go Alex! Enjoying the season so far... but you can play better still! :)

Hey! Welcome to the 90's!

OK, we have common ground here. The problem is that Chiefs fans who have been around the block understand the outcome of having a conservative game manager at the helm.

This is the 90s.

You don't say...

[Baby Lee]

I've defintely said that a lot, out of 1) amazement at how some determined the opposite was true after the first week or two, and it really is different this time (of course, stating the absolute one way or the other that early is ridiculous either way), 2) defending my position that I haven't bought in and might actually be waiting several games before making any firm opinions, and 3) yeah, frustration that I follow a team that clearly doesn't get it when it comes to one of the most important positions in sports.

It feels like I've been on this ride before, because it's basically the only one I know as a Chiefs fan, but as jaded or apathetic or even skeptical as I might be, I have no reason to resist or rationalize away the kind of play it takes to win big games once I see it. I'd love to hand over hundreds of dollars (again) to watch it all live, but they'll have to earn it first (this time).

The argument has definitely gone to such ridiculous lengths that you don't really know where people stand... hell, sometimes I start with a simple point like how I want to see some consistency from Smith, and after an hour or two of responding to hyperbole and strawmen, I start feeling like I'm hating on the guy, when I'm only trying to bring the conversation back from one far end of the spectrum or the other.

I appreciate that you have made numerous concerted efforts to pull back on overheated rhetoric. But you have to realize that wet blankets fall heavy on the shoulders of optimists watching an AMAZING turnaround with this team.

A lot of it boils down to whether you view a team as a collection of compartments or as a holistic entity. With the former, of course, nothing the defense is doing has anything to do with the offense, or the passing game, or the QB. But I have a long and consistent record of holding that an NFL team is like an automobile engine. When it's out of tune, it's ALL out of tune. An AMG W-16 with a bad timing gear is as useless as a Yugo 4-banger. Our quest as fans is to keep our eyes peeled to be the first to yell 'land-ho' from the crow's nest when the pieces come together.

Our previous 13-3 flame-outs bear little resemblance to 2013 Chiefs FB. There weren't abysmal seasons preceding. There weren't massive coaching and philosophy changes in between. There wasn't over 1/2 the roster changing, with all the good being retained and ALL the chaff being discarded.

I was in St.L. when the greatest show turned the 4-12 Rams into SB champs. They had twice as many wins in the season prior as we have. I also saw how important both a dominant D and being clutch was when they beat the Bucs, what, . . . 3-2, 4-7, . . . some other MLB score [I know, 11-6, Ricky effing Proehl and all that], to go to the SB and win on a defensive stand. I also saw the 2000 Ravens. I saw the Pats completely break down the self-same Rams, minus a dominant D, in 2001/02, in a room filled with Rams bandwagoneers. Oddest schadenfreude of my life, a room full of friends and a team I liked, but certain that Belichek had their number. Sad to see so many disappointed faces, but deep down glad I still knew football.

My rambling has turned Rico-esque. But my point is, I still have a good feeling about this iteration, I'm not some Kool-aid drinking 'truefan,' and we're all going to be in the dark until the rubber meets the road in January. Enjoy the ride, . . . or don't. But cut out the 'are we there yet' [ie, have we lost yet] shit.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I TOLD you this was all an effort to recreate Martyball!
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As it was then, as it is now.

[Hammock Parties]

You can argue that he's average right now...statistically, that's fair. But you can't argue at his best he's average. He's had some nearly perfect games in the past.

He's way below average right now.

In YPA, TDs, completion percentage, QB rating...all the things that matter the most in evaluating QB play.

Below average. Statistically.

Get it right.

[Baby Lee]

As it was then, as it is now.

You are surprisingly like an Ashton Kutcher fan who saw 'Jobs' and is moaning for the day when Ashton gets his Oscar.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You are surprisingly like an Ashton Kutcher fan who saw 'Jobs' and is moaning for the day when Ashton gets his Oscar.

Horrible comparison. Meh to you.

[Hammock Parties]

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now.

Montana had 299 yards and 3 TD in that game.

Against the NFL's #4 defense.

Alex Smith is currently struggling to throw for 0 TD against Houston's modern day franchise.

[Phobia]

Montana had 299 yards and 3 TD in that game.

Against the NFL's #4 defense.

Alex Smith is currently struggling to throw for 0 TD against Houston's modern day franchise.

If Smith had thrown for 3 TD's Sunday we would be 7-0. Is he on your fantasy team or what? I haven't seen this much whining about shit that doesn't matter since it was discovered that one of those teletubby things might be gay.

[Baby Lee]

Montana had 299 yards and 3 TD in that game.

Against the NFL's #4 defense.

Alex Smith is currently struggling to throw for 0 TD against Houston's modern day franchise.

LMGTFY

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[Hammock Parties]

If Smith had thrown for 3 TD's Sunday we would be 7-0. Is he on your fantasy team or what? I haven't seen this much whining about shit that doesn't matter since it was discovered that one of those teletubby things might be gay.

Sorry, but a QBs ability to generate TD passes definitely matters.

There's a reason Alex's career high is 18, and he's currently on pace for just 16. He's just not very good.

[Phobia]

Sorry, but a QBs ability to generate TD passes definitely matters.

There's a reason Alex's career high is 18, and he's currently on pace for just 16. He's just not very good.

A team's ability to generate W's is the important thing here and they're flawless. Sit back and enjoy the journey. There are only two teams with pro-bowlers at every position and nobody watches that game anyway.

[splatbass]

I'd love to hand over hundreds of dollars (again) to watch it all live, but they'll have to earn it first (this time).



And if they manage to win it all this year you will have missed it due to stubbornness, cynicism or whatever. And then it may be another 40 years.

Enjoy it while you can, success could be fleeting and you will have missed it.

[Saccopoo]

If Smith had thrown for 3 TD's Sunday we would be 7-0. Is he on your fantasy team or what? I haven't seen this much whining about shit that doesn't matter since it was discovered that one of those teletubby things might be gay.

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[GOB]

I've defintely said that a lot, out of 1) amazement at how some determined the opposite was true after the first week or two, and it really is different this time (of course, stating the absolute one way or the other that early is ridiculous either way), 2) defending my position that I haven't bought in and might actually be waiting several games before making any firm opinions, and 3) yeah, frustration that I follow a team that clearly doesn't get it when it comes to one of the most important positions in sports.

It feels like I've been on this ride before, because it's basically the only one I know as a Chiefs fan, but as jaded or apathetic or even skeptical as I might be, I have no reason to resist or rationalize away the kind of play it takes to win big games once I see it. I'd love to hand over hundreds of dollars (again) to watch it all live, but they'll have to earn it first (this time).

The argument has definitely gone to such ridiculous lengths that you don't really know where people stand... hell, sometimes I start with a simple point like how I want to see some consistency from Smith, and after an hour or two of responding to hyperbole and strawmen, I start feeling like I'm hating on the guy, when I'm only trying to bring the conversation back from one far end of the spectrum or the other.

I get why you haven't bought in and I respect that.

Regarding (3), however, I think you are making a lot of assumptions. Not saying that to chastise you but to encourage you. We don't know that a first round QB isn't on the FO's mind. That we didn't draft one this year and that the GM has encouraging words for their current starter doesn't mean anything really. It could be they think Alex is enough. It could mean they think shoring up the OL is more important. It could mean they thought it was a weak draft class to take the chance on.

I don't know if we are going to win the Superbowl. I don't think Alex Smith is the best QB in the league but I don't think he's as terrible as the OP wants to believe. I think the QB position is important but not as important as the fantasy football generation makes it out to be and measuring it certainly goes beyond the simple metrics they bandy around. I also don't know that we'd be in a better position with another QB's save HOF caliber ones which are exceedingly difficult to land.

What I do know is John Dorsey and Andy Reid are making more good decisions than bad and the team is sitting undefeated. I also know that every season is a journey and both players and the team are not static but will change. That's all enough for me to be a little bit hopeful and happy watching this team. Hope at some point you feel the same.

[Chest Rockwell]

The **** is this? People having rational conversation on this site? In this thread no less?

Sense don't go roun' here, sense dog. Savvy?



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[BigMeatballDave]

If the Chiefs happen to win the SB, Wtf would we argue about?

The NFL would place an asterisk by the win, because Alex had fewer than 20 TD passes.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Maybe you're right, maybe I've been overeacting to comments like;

We've seen this before
This is the 90s
We know how this worked out with Marty
Just like Bono, Grbac and Cassel
We know where game managers leave us
The inevitable downfall against real competition

etc.

Your basic 'I know the future because I'm traumatized by the past.'

You probably have been. Anyone who is a fan of this team has suffered from battered fan syndrome for a very long time.

[BigMeatballDave]

Maybe you're right, maybe I've been overeacting to comments like;

We've seen this before
This is the 90s
We know how this worked out with Marty
Just like Bono, Grbac and Cassel
We know where game managers leave us
The inevitable downfall against real competition

etc.

Your basic 'I know the future because I'm traumatized by the past.'

I think about all of this, but I won't let it quell my excitement for the season now.

[BigCatDaddy]

If Smith had thrown for 3 TD's Sunday we would be 7-0. Is he on your fantasy team or what? I haven't seen this much whining about shit that doesn't matter since it was discovered that one of those teletubby things might be gay.

I always get a kick out of people saying "You're just looking for fantasy football numbers, those are meaningless". The top fantasy QB's are guys that often win SB's and are heading to the HOF. Yeah, that must suck.

[warrior]

If the Chiefs happen to win the SB, Wtf would we argue about?

The NFL would place an asterisk by the win, because Alex had fewer than 20 TD passes.




Yep and only a select few would care the rest would enjoy winning the SB :hmmm:

[Rausch]

Just had a segment on NFLAM about Smiff and they roundly praised and defended him...

[Rausch]

The NFL would place an asterisk by the win, because Alex had fewer than 20 TD passes.

It doesn't seem to bother Denver fans...

[warrior]

Maybe you're right, maybe I've been overeacting to comments like;

We've seen this before
This is the 90s
We know how this worked out with Marty
Just like Bono, Grbac and Cassel
We know where game managers leave us
The inevitable downfall against real competition

etc.

Your basic 'I know the future because I'm traumatized by the past.'






Yep let's all be miserable over winning because of the past we know how this ends :doh!:

[Bearcat]

I appreciate that you have made numerous concerted efforts to pull back on overheated rhetoric. But you have to realize that wet blankets fall heavy on the shoulders of optimists watching an AMAZING turnaround with this team.

A lot of it boils down to whether you view a team as a collection of compartments or as a holistic entity. With the former, of course, nothing the defense is doing has anything to do with the offense, or the passing game, or the QB. But I have a long and consistent record of holding that an NFL team is like an automobile engine. When it's out of tune, it's ALL out of tune. An AMG W-16 with a bad timing gear is as useless as a Yugo 4-banger. Our quest as fans is to keep our eyes peeled to be the first to yell 'land-ho' from the crow's nest when the pieces come together.

Our previous 13-3 flame-outs bear little resemblance to 2013 Chiefs FB. There weren't abysmal seasons preceding. There weren't massive coaching and philosophy changes in between. There wasn't over 1/2 the roster changing, with all the good being retained and ALL the chaff being discarded.

I was in St.L. when the greatest show turned the 4-12 Rams into SB champs. They had twice as many wins in the season prior as we have. I also saw how important both a dominant D and being clutch was when they beat the Bucs, what, . . . 3-2, 4-7, . . . some other MLB score [I know, 11-6, Ricky effing Proehl and all that], to go to the SB and win on a defensive stand. I also saw the 2000 Ravens. I saw the Pats completely break down the self-same Rams, minus a dominant D, in 2001/02, in a room filled with Rams bandwagoneers. Oddest schadenfreude of my life, a room full of friends and a team I liked, but certain that Belichek had their number. Sad to see so many disappointed faces, but deep down glad I still knew football.

My rambling has turned Rico-esque. But my point is, I still have a good feeling about this iteration, I'm not some Kool-aid drinking 'truefan,' and we're all going to be in the dark until the rubber meets the road in January. Enjoy the ride, . . . or don't. But cut out the 'are we there yet' [ie, have we lost yet] shit.

True, and I guess saying "it's been a great turnaround, but..." will come off as overly cynical regardless of the intent or what comes after the 'but'. And myself and others have tried to differentiate between our appreciation of what's happening right now versus our concerns for the big picture... which just turns into more "why aren't you miserable people enjoying the ride?!?!"

My view on the NFL is different from a lot of people when it comes to the amount of mediocrity throughout the league, so a lot of these games just don't get me all excited like they used to... and after seeing guys like Matt Cassel win 10 games or Tim Tebow win a playoff game, I look forward to the huge match ups far more than the average game, which is a big reason I always have an eye on the playoffs.... mid-January football is just so much better, with probably a bigger discrepancy than regular season hockey to playoff hockey (and that's saying something).

Part of me thinks it's because I'm old and I've been there/done that, but then CBB rolls around and I'm like a college kid again looking forward to every KU game no matter how big or small, so I guess I have the Chiefs to thank for that.

It's nice to see some rational discussion on these topics, so thanks for that... when they lose in the first round, I'll be here with a gentle I told you so (jk :D )

[Bearcat]

Yep let's all be miserable over winning because of the past we know how this ends :doh!:

StFU, you're ruining it.

[Rausch]

Yep let's all be miserable over winning because of the past we know how this ends :doh!:

So it was ok to play like ass in Pioli's first year because "we're rebuilding" but going undefeated the first 7 weeks and making a playoff game is "more of the same suck" in Andy's first year?...

:hmmm:

[Bearcat]

And if they manage to win it all this year you will have missed it due to stubbornness, cynicism or whatever. And then it may be another 40 years.

Enjoy it while you can, success could be fleeting and you will have missed it.

Not at all, really.... I've watched every game and enjoy them on 46 inches of HD glory with high quality beer, and a couple with the ability to FF through all the BS commercials/stoppages. If you haven't noticed, it takes a nice chunk of change, and if you do it right, 7+ hours... the latter is hard to come by and they've gotten plenty of the former from me in the past.


I get why you haven't bought in and I respect that.

Regarding (3), however, I think you are making a lot of assumptions. Not saying that to chastise you but to encourage you. We don't know that a first round QB isn't on the FO's mind. That we didn't draft one this year and that the GM has encouraging words for their current starter doesn't mean anything really. It could be they think Alex is enough. It could mean they think shoring up the OL is more important. It could mean they thought it was a weak draft class to take the chance on.

I don't know if we are going to win the Superbowl. I don't think Alex Smith is the best QB in the league but I don't think he's as terrible as the OP wants to believe. I think the QB position is important but not as important as the fantasy football generation makes it out to be and measuring it certainly goes beyond the simple metrics they bandy around. I also don't know that we'd be in a better position with another QB's save HOF caliber ones which are exceedingly difficult to land.

What I do know is John Dorsey and Andy Reid are making more good decisions than bad and the team is sitting undefeated. I also know that every season is a journey and both players and the team are not static but will change. That's all enough for me to be a little bit hopeful and happy watching this team. Hope at some point you feel the same.

The best case scenario, IMO, is that Dorsey and Reid already know Smith is a stop gap, giving him the benefit of the doubt, but are ready to the pull the trigger on a first rounder or a better FA if needed. Dorsey, of course, comes from a franchise that obviously gets it... the Packers have drafted more QBs in the first 3 rounds in the past 20 years, even though they've basically only started two in the time frame (the Chiefs -- 1 :banghead: ). And I know people say "there's no Andrew Luck this year!" or there are no guarantees, but I want them to TRY. Just TRY for the first time in 30 years (well, 2nd if you really want to include Croyle).

Of course, that doesn't mean they should have drafted one simply due to the history of the Chiefs... while it was certainly frustrating and reeked of what we've seen in the past, and it's frustrating to have to say "well, maybe THIS regime has a better plan" (again), maybe they do, and all we can do is give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove us right or wrong.

[warrior]

So it was ok to play like ass in Pioli's first year because "we're rebuilding" but going undefeated the first 7 weeks and making a playoff game is "more of the same suck" in Andy's first year?...

:hmmm:



Think you got me all wrong I'm enjoying this season no matter the outcome love this defense and I'm not going to s*** on the team because of the offense which I don't think most people on here understand. :)

[Mr. Plow]

Think you got me all wrong I'm enjoying this season no matter the outcome love this defense and I'm not going to s*** on the team because of the offense which I don't think most people on here understand. :)

So the offense doesn't concern you then.

[warrior]

So the offense doesn't concern you then.




Sure it does I'm not letting something I have no control over ruin watching the rest of the team are you?

[Mr. Plow]

Sure it does I'm not letting something I have no control over ruin watching the rest of the team are you?


:banghead:

[ptlyon]

:banghead:

Pwned

[Bearcat]

:banghead:

Stop engaging the kiddie table, damnit! Don't ruin this for me! :cuss:

[Mr. Plow]

Stop engaging the kiddie table, damnit! Don't ruin this for me! :cuss:


Sorry. Backing away slowly.

[loochy]

So the offense doesn't concern you then.

THE OFFENSE IS SUPER AWESOME SINCE WE ARE 7-0 I CAN NEVER DIE YOLO

[Bearcat]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Mr. Plow]

This is why we can't have nice things.


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[Mr. Plow]

Hockey.

[burt]

Alex was the best man for QB at the time, according to football minds MUCH greater than min. I do believe that the reason we are winning is because of good play in ALL THREE PHASES of the game. Without a great play, here or there, in Defense, Offense, or Special Teams....we wouldn't be 7-0. BTW, the sky isn't falling, Alex doesn't suck, and we ARE 7-0. Could our offense improve? Absolutely.

[Sandy Vagina]

Alex was the best man for QB at the time, according to football minds MUCH greater than min. I do believe that the reason we are winning is because of good play in ALL THREE PHASES of the game. Without a great play, here or there, in Defense, Offense, or Special Teams....we wouldn't be 7-0. BTW, the sky isn't falling, Alex doesn't suck, and we ARE 7-0. Could our offense improve? Absolutely.

Yay! a good post, and no battered fan syndrome... :)

[Bearcat]

http://i.imgur.com/JK6586X.gif

Filter evasion, bannable for life.



But, you mentioned hockey, so I'll let it slide this time.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If his numbers continue to downward trend....

He better start getting them back up and at least even out.

[aturnis]

Alex was the best man for QB at the time, according to football minds MUCH greater than min. I do believe that the reason we are winning is because of good play in ALL THREE PHASES of the game. Without a great play, here or there, in Defense, Offense, or Special Teams....we wouldn't be 7-0. BTW, the sky isn't falling, Alex doesn't suck, and we ARE 7-0. Could our offense improve? Absolutely.

Alex most certainly does suck. 4/7 games this year he hadn't thrown a TD. Since week 4 he's thrown zero TD's and 4 INT's. He's completed only 58% of his passes and has a paltry 79 QBR. He has yet to throw for over 290 yards, and 55% if his passing yards come from YAC, the receivers efforts not his. He has been terrible on 3rd down all season.

The worst part is that as the season progresses, he seems to be getting worse, not better.

Before one of you retarded goes off, I am thoroughly enjoying this season. A win is a win, even if it comes on the back of the defense. But being 7-0 is no reason to ignore the ineptitude of Alex Smith and the offense. It's like ignoring your kids drug/drinking problem b/c they aren't dead and still hold a job. It's only a matter of time before the bottom falls out.

[Mr. Plow]

Filter evasion, bannable for life.



But, you mentioned hockey, so I'll let it slide this time.


o:-)

[BigMeatballDave]

Alex most certainly does suck. 4/7 games this year he hadn't thrown a TD. Since week 4 he's thrown zero TD's and 4 INT's. He's completed only 58% of his passes and has a paltry 79 QBR. He has yet to throw for over 290 yards, and 55% if his passing yards come from YAC, the receivers efforts not his. He has been terrible on 3rd down all season.

The worst part is that as the season progresses, he seems to be getting worse, not better.

Before one of you retarded goes off, I am thoroughly enjoying this season. A win is a win, even if it comes on the back of the defense. But being 7-0 is no reason to ignore the ineptitude of Alex Smith and the offense. It's like ignoring your kids drug/drinking problem b/c they aren't dead and still hold a job. It's only a matter of time before the bottom falls out.

It's like 03. It was fun watching the offense gash defenses and put up points. Though I spent a good amount of time waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[Ragged Robin]

If his numbers continue to downward trend....

He better start getting them back up and at least even out.

I was worried about this as well but I thought he bounced back last week even though the numbers don't really show it. He was a centimeter away from 2 TDs by Fasano and made some huge plays on his feet.. and the INT wasn't his fault at all.

[burt]

Alex most certainly does suck. 4/7 games this year he hadn't thrown a TD. Since week 4 he's thrown zero TD's and 4 INT's. He's completed only 58% of his passes and has a paltry 79 QBR. He has yet to throw for over 290 yards, and 55% if his passing yards come from YAC, the receivers efforts not his. He has been terrible on 3rd down all season.

The worst part is that as the season progresses, he seems to be getting worse, not better.

Before one of you retarded goes off, I am thoroughly enjoying this season. A win is a win, even if it comes on the back of the defense. But being 7-0 is no reason to ignore the ineptitude of Alex Smith and the offense. It's like ignoring your kids drug/drinking problem b/c they aren't dead and still hold a job. It's only a matter of time before the bottom falls out.

Um....no. It's NOT on the back of the defense. IT'S ALL THREE PHASES. As long as we continue to produce on all three....we will be in any game. And yes....once again....offense need to improve. It starts with the o line, IMHO.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I was worried about this as well but I thought he bounced back last week even though the numbers don't really show it. He was a centimeter away from 2 TDs by Fasano and made some huge plays on his feet.. and the INT wasn't his fault at all.

He passed the eye test this week. I don't put as much faith in stats as some people, but they ARE a part of the overall picture.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Oh, and why would ANYONE pick Alex Smith for their fantasy team?

Just stop with the HERP-A-DERP THIS IZN'T TEH FANTASY FOOTBALL-shit.

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE is looking at Axl's stats and thinking about Fantasy Fucking Football. It's a measuring tool in his case and nothing else.

[ptlyon]

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE is looking at Axl's stats and thinking about Fantasy ****ing Football.

I think about puppies

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think about puppies

LMAO

[duncan_idaho]

Alex most certainly does suck. 4/7 games this year he hadn't thrown a TD. Since week 4 he's thrown zero TD's and 4 INT's. He's completed only 58% of his passes and has a paltry 79 QBR. He has yet to throw for over 290 yards, and 55% if his passing yards come from YAC, the receivers efforts not his. He has been terrible on 3rd down all season.

The worst part is that as the season progresses, he seems to be getting worse, not better.

Before one of you retarded goes off, I am thoroughly enjoying this season. A win is a win, even if it comes on the back of the defense. But being 7-0 is no reason to ignore the ineptitude of Alex Smith and the offense. It's like ignoring your kids drug/drinking problem b/c they aren't dead and still hold a job. It's only a matter of time before the bottom falls out.

Well put.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I think that even he is good enough to beat the turds from Pile High with this squad.

[BigCatDaddy]

Alex most certainly does suck. 4/7 games this year he hadn't thrown a TD. Since week 4 he's thrown zero TD's and 4 INT's. He's completed only 58% of his passes and has a paltry 79 QBR. He has yet to throw for over 290 yards, and 55% if his passing yards come from YAC, the receivers efforts not his. He has been terrible on 3rd down all season.

The worst part is that as the season progresses, he seems to be getting worse, not better.

Before one of you retarded goes off, I am thoroughly enjoying this season. A win is a win, even if it comes on the back of the defense. But being 7-0 is no reason to ignore the ineptitude of Alex Smith and the offense. It's like ignoring your kids drug/drinking problem b/c they aren't dead and still hold a job. It's only a matter of time before the bottom falls out.

Suck on this Alice ball washers.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Suck on this Alice ball washers.

Stats mean nothing only scoreboard. Get over it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Oh, and why would ANYONE pick Alex Smith for their fantasy team?

Just stop with the HERP-A-DERP THIS IZN'T TEH FANTASY FOOTBALL-shit.

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE is looking at Axl's stats and thinking about Fantasy Fucking Football. It's a measuring tool in his case and nothing else.

You are completely missing the point of the Fantasy football comments. If Alex had 20 TD passes right now, with 2000 yards, the Chiefs would still be 7-0.

I can argue both sides here.

I don't hate Alex, but he must improve to help their chances in the playoffs.

[BigCatDaddy]

You are completely missing the point of the Fantasy football comments. If Alex had 20 TD passes right now, with 2000 yards, the Chiefs would still be 7-0.

I can argue both sides here.

I don't hate Alex, but he must improve to help their chances in the playoffs.

If he was also doing that the odds of the Chiefs winning the superbowl probably double at a minimum, but hey who cares about the SB. We are 7-0 in the regular season.

[Baby Lee]

I think about puppies

I like tuddles!!!

[Mr. Plow]

I ruined it for everyone.


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[19-0]

We went 2-14 last year and our fans still aren't happy because we probably won't win the Super Bowl one year removed from having a team that didn't hold a single lead for the first like 40 quarters of the year. Hysterical. I'm enjoying the ride...wish Smith looked a little better, no doubt...but it sure does seem every time we have needed a drive he's pretty much delivered. Still think the offense has plenty of time to improve. Either way...I can't believe CHIEFS FANS aren't enjoying this season right now. Amazing.

[ChiefsCountry]

To put the Chiefs with Alex Smith this year is basically getting a handjob when you should be having sex. It still feels good but its not what you want.

[burt]

To put the Chiefs with Alex Smith this year is basically getting a handjob when you should be having sex. It still feels good but its not what you want.

Yet, I will still take a handjob, everytime.....

[Brock]

We went 2-14 last year and our fans still aren't happy because we probably won't win the Super Bowl one year removed from having a team that didn't hold a single lead for the first like 40 quarters of the year. Hysterical. I'm enjoying the ride...wish Smith looked a little better, no doubt...but it sure does seem every time we have needed a drive he's pretty much delivered. Still think the offense has plenty of time to improve. Either way...I can't believe CHIEFS FANS aren't enjoying this season right now. Amazing.

Nobody gives a shit about last year and who says they aren't enjoying this season?

[Sandy Vagina]

We went 2-14 last year and our fans still aren't happy because we probably won't win the Super Bowl one year removed from having a team that didn't hold a single lead for the first like 40 quarters of the year. Hysterical. I'm enjoying the ride...wish Smith looked a little better, no doubt...but it sure does seem every time we have needed a drive he's pretty much delivered. Still think the offense has plenty of time to improve. Either way...I can't believe CHIEFS FANS aren't enjoying this season right now. Amazing.

great first post!

Don't let em get you down. Most KC fans ARE pretty happy. A dozen of them here are still just beaten down over years of suck... and from that, they refuse to embrace optimism and joy. Oh well... can't let that drag down the fun and successful ride it has been! :D

[19-0]

Nobody gives a shit about last year and who says they aren't enjoying this season?

Are you reading these threads? Hilarious. I watch the games, I get angry with the offense as much as everyone else (although they actually kept us composed in the first half against Houston when we couldn't figure out Case freaking Keenum)...but at the end of the day...please tell which team in the NFL is perfect!? Didn't Joe Flacco and Colin Kaepernick just play in a Super Bowl? Yeah.

[Baby Lee]

To put the Chiefs with Alex Smith this year is basically getting a handjob when you should be having sex. It still feels good but its not what you want.

Beats the shit out of 2012s rampant buttfuckery.

[Mr. Plow]

great first post!

Don't let em get you down. Most KC fans ARE pretty happy. A dozen of them here are still just beaten down over years of suck... and from that, they refuse to embrace optimism and joy. Oh well... can't let that drag down the fun and successful ride it has been! :D


:banghead:

[BigCatDaddy]

We went 2-14 last year and our fans still aren't happy because we probably won't win the Super Bowl one year removed from having a team that didn't hold a single lead for the first like 40 quarters of the year. Hysterical. I'm enjoying the ride...wish Smith looked a little better, no doubt...but it sure does seem every time we have needed a drive he's pretty much delivered. Still think the offense has plenty of time to improve. Either way...I can't believe CHIEFS FANS aren't enjoying this season right now. Amazing.

Name one Chief fan that isn't enjoying the season? That line of bullshit needs to end and whose mult is this? Wreaks of Black Bob.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Name one Chief fan that isn't enjoying the season? That line of bullshit needs to end and whose mult is this? Wreaks of Black Bob.

He's here somewhere. Shocked Saito hasn't sniffed him out yet.

[Mr. Plow]

Name one Chief fan that isn't enjoying the season? That line of bullshit needs to end and whose mult is this?


This is an all or nothing fanbase, there is no middle ground for a lot of Chiefs fans.

[BigCatDaddy]

This is an all or nothing fanbase, there is no middle ground for a lot of Chiefs fans.

And it never changes no matter how good or bad the team is. Fans were calling into Keitzman yesterday and they all wanted to discuss the O-Line. He then went on a rant about how all Chiefs fans obsess about the line and all I could do was LMAO and think of this.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/truestfans.gif

[Brock]

Are you reading these threads? Hilarious. I watch the games, I get angry with the offense as much as everyone else (although they actually kept us composed in the first half against Houston when we couldn't figure out Case freaking Keenum)...but at the end of the day...please tell which team in the NFL is perfect!? Didn't Joe Flacco and Colin Kaepernick just play in a Super Bowl? Yeah.

I am reading these threads. Really reading them. Are you? Critiquing bad parts of the team doesn't mean people aren't happy about the parts that are working properly.

[BigCatDaddy]

I am reading these threads. Really reading them. Are you? Critiquing bad parts of the team doesn't mean people aren't happy about the parts that are working properly.

Why do you hate the Chiefs so?

They are just creating stawmen. Obviously if you aren't happy about something on the team you aren't a real fan. They are just a bunch of All Caps Debs.

[SAUTO]

He's here somewhere. Shocked Saito hasn't sniffed him out yet.

I think I found him the other day. I responded with the comma wrong and he quit posting...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I think I found him the other day. I responded with the comma wrong and he quit posting...

Clever girl

[SAUTO]

Clever girl

its no fun to out him right off anymore, funner to just respond in a way he knows I know. he runs like a bitch. but that will end as he gets braver.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

its no fun to out him right off anymore, funner to just respond in a way he knows I know. he runs like a bitch. but that will end as he gets braver.

ROFL

[19-0]

At the end of the year, this Chiefs defense, barring any significant injuries (knock on wood), WILL go down as one of the best defenses in the past few decades. Personally, I don't mind having an Alex Smith with this defense...especially since I don't think we're seeing Alex play to his full potential yet. By that I mean, he was more comfortable with his surroundings last year and his play reflected that. Give him a BYE week, a few more weeks for Reid, Smith, the line and his "weapons" to gel...and I'll take 2012 49ers Alex with this Chiefs defense over Joe Flacco in terms of who gives us the best chance to win a Super Bowl this year. And Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl last year. And Joe Flacco isn't any better at QB than Alex Smith (they excel at different things, and struggle with different things so they don't compare as QBs I'm only saying they are both pretty much league average). This fan base is so obsessed with finding Aaron Rodgers it lacks all objectivity. Just enjoy the ride...if we lose, we lose. We were 2-14 last year lol lol lol

[splatbass]

Alex most certainly does suck. 4/7 games this year he hadn't thrown a TD.

But in those games we have had rushing TDs. Apparently you aren't aware that rushing TDs count the same as passing TDs. And Alex Smith got us into position to score those rushing TDs (one that he himself scored). I don't give a shit if we drive 97 yards and get a rushing TD vs. driving 97 yards and getting a passing TD. You shouldn't either, but you have an agenda to push.

[Hammock Parties]

There's no agenda here. QBs who can rack up TD passes have significantly more value than those who can't. The fact Chiefs fans are still debating this in 2013 is comical. Will we ever learn?

Christ, we just got done playing a game which was far too close for comfort because Alex missed a TD pass.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Tajh.

[splatbass]

There's no agenda here.

LMAO

You saying there is no agenda. Hilarious. LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO

You saying there is no agenda. Hilarious. LMAO

Alex is who he is. A limited QB who is not good at producing touchdowns. All the evidence verifies this. Past, present, and probably future.

Ignoring that is foolish.

[Hammock Parties]

If only Alex could throw accurately outside the numbers...

http://i.imgur.com/3UYWu3I.gif

Also, loved this CBS stat. Avg yards at catch is despicable.

http://i.imgur.com/sgvnKEK.jpg

[New World Order]

HAHA 2-14 to 7-0 but the new QB has nothing to do with it. Did you ever actually play sports, or is fantasy football the extent or your experience? All I hear is a bunch of what could be or what would be despite the fact you went from worst team in the league to one of the best with a QB and coach change. Winning in the NFL doesn't just happen, you a Chiefs fan of all people should know that.


I played college basketball but have never played football in an organized league at any level.

He's been conservative and has not made many mistakes. The problem is as we learned in the 90's that a good defense and a game manager doesn't get it done.

[Hammock Parties]

That face you make when you fuck up.

http://i.imgur.com/KJcnodA.gif

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Actually, that's the face I make when I take a particularly stressful dump.

[Consistent1]

If only Alex could throw accurately outside the numbers...

http://i.imgur.com/3UYWu3I.gif

Also, loved this CBS stat. Avg yards at catch is despicable.

http://i.imgur.com/sgvnKEK.jpg

That was clearly on Bowe.

[aturnis]

We went 2-14 last year and our fans still aren't happy because we probably won't win the Super Bowl one year removed from having a team that didn't hold a single lead for the first like 40 quarters of the year. Hysterical. I'm enjoying the ride...wish Smith looked a little better, no doubt...but it sure does seem every time we have needed a drive he's pretty much delivered. Still think the offense has plenty of time to improve. Either way...I can't believe CHIEFS FANS aren't enjoying this season right now. Amazing.

This is so dishonest is hilarious. How many times this season have we needed a drive, the offense failed to choice, and the defense got them the back back to give them another chance? Multiple. The end of the Houston game mossy recently. It's been like this maybe more weeks than not. Get real.

Also, to your "Be happy! One year removed from 2-14!" bullshit, please! What are the chance the defense operates at a potentially need historic level next year as well? Our that the team is asked by an easy schedule? You don't get many changes in the NFL. If the offense messes this up, they might mess up the best chance this team has in the next 20 years.

[aturnis]

But in those games we have had rushing TDs. Apparently you aren't aware that rushing TDs count the same as passing TDs. And Alex Smith got us into position to score those rushing TDs (one that he himself scored). I don't give a shit if we drive 97 yards and get a rushing TD vs. driving 97 yards and getting a passing TD. You shouldn't either, but you have an agenda to push.

Its like you're arguing it doesn't matter how your family gets money, it gets money.

I say that if the wife is the only one bringing in a paycheck, chances are your going to have a lower household income than the duel income family next door where the man is the main bread winner. Easier for a man to make more money (glass ceiling bs), much like it's easier to score TD's throwing the ball than running the ball.

[RealSNR]

That was clearly on Bowe.

The defender clearly grabbed his other arm.

[Hammock Parties]

Wait. Even though 55%of his total passing yards on the season are YAC, does that screen cap showing his average yards at catch, compared to his average yards per attempt actually disprove these idiots who claim that Alice puts the receivers in position to make those plays? I mean, it looks like he really is doing the opposite.

Average yards at catch: 5.09
Average yards per completion: 10.8

Pretty close to 55 percent YAC.

[splatbass]

If only Alex could throw accurately outside the numbers...

http://i.imgur.com/3UYWu3I.gif



Smith overthrew, but Bowe made a half-assed attempt to catch it. I remember a time he would have dove for it.

[Hammock Parties]

Smith overthrew it a little, but Bowe made a half-assed attempt to catch it. I remember a time he would have dove for it.

The defender had a hold of one of his arms.

They didn't throw the flag.

Because it was completely uncatchable. LMAO

[aturnis]

Average yards at catch: 5.09
Average yards per completion: 10.8

Pretty close to 55 percent YAC.

Sorry. When making the post I thought the stat on screen was yards per completion, not per attempt. Still bad.

[splatbass]

Its like you're arguing it doesn't matter how your family gets money, it gets money.

I say that if the wife is the only one bringing in a paycheck, chances are your going to have a lower household income than the duel income family next door where the man is the main bread winner. Easier for a man to make more money (glass ceiling bs), much like it's easier to score TD's throwing the ball than running the ball.

Stupid analogy. The fact is it doesn't matter which is "easier" to score. A TD is a TD.

[Hammock Parties]

Stupid analogy. The fact is it doesn't matter which is "easier" to score. A TD is a TD.

We are 21st in offensive TDs per game.

Alex needs to hit some TD passes. I'm not sure we can squeeze much more out of Jamaal.

16 TD passes isn't getting it done. Last year that would have been 24th in the NFL. Not many good QBs in that range.

[splatbass]

16 TD passes isn't getting it done.

Actually, we are 7-0 so it IS, by definition, "getting it done". :doh!:

Do you even think about what you write?

[Hammock Parties]

Eric Fisher is getting it done!

[007]

26-5-1 the guy just wins!

45-36-1 career

[aturnis]

Stupid analogy. The fact is it doesn't matter which is "easier" to score. A TD is a TD.

Considering the NFL has been dominated by top ten offenses/QB's the last 10 years, it kind of does.

[aturnis]

Actually, we are 7-0 so it IS, by definition, "getting it done". :doh!:

Do you even think about what you write?

Wow you're high.

[splatbass]

Wow you're high.

The object of football is to finish a game with more points than your opponent. The Chiefs have done that 7 out of 7 times this season. They are "getting it done".

[splatbass]

Considering the NFL has been dominated by top ten offenses/QB's the last 10 years, it kind of does.

Actually, it kind of doesn't, since they both count 6 points.

[splatbass]

45-36-1 career

That includes the first 5 years with teams/coaches that rivaled the Crennel Chiefs for suckitude.

[aturnis]

Actually, it kind of doesn't, since they both count 6 points.

Wow you're annoying.

[aturnis]

That includes the first 5 years with teams/coaches that rivaled the Crennel Chiefs for suckitude.

So he gets a pass for 5 years but Carl doesn't get one for one year?

2010 Cassel > Any Alex Smith

Cassel would likely be undefeated with this team an would probably run the offense just as well, which isn't saying anything.

[Hammock Parties]

Last QB to win the SB with less than 17 TD passes was...you guessed it....TRENT DILFER!!!!

Go Alex.

[splatbass]

Cassel would likely be undefeated with this team an would probably run the offense just as well, which isn't saying anything.

You're the one that is high. Cassel isn't half the QB Alex Smith is, not even close.

[splatbass]

Last QB to win the SB with less than 17 TD passes was...you guessed it....TRENT DILFER!!!!

Go Alex.

He still got a ring, and the Ravens still got the trophy, right?

[007]

That includes the first 5 years with teams/coaches that rivaled the Crennel Chiefs for suckitude.

Doesn't matter. You can't just cherry pick your stats. Don't forget how many times he was benched too.

[splatbass]

Doesn't matter. You can't just cherry pick your stats. Don't forget how many times he was benched too.

It does matter. He improved over time. So how he performed before that improvement has NOTHING to do with how he performs after the improvement.

Let's say you learn to play a musical instrument. You start out playing Mary Had a Little Lamb, badly. You improve so that after 5 years you are playing much harder songs, and playing them fairly well. Would it be fair to say "but over your music career you have shown you can't play Mary Had a Little Lamb very well"? No, of course not.

[Hammock Parties]

Three guys open for six. Inexcusable.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexnotd.gif

http://i.imgur.com/PdKUTDR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMmdQjZ.jpg

[AussieChiefsFan]

Three guys open for six. Inexcusable.
That play was so frustrating to watch. Probably the play that pissed me off the most this season.

If we'd lost, that play would be under much scrutinisation.

[Hammock Parties]

I think Alex:

1. Didn't like the coverage on McGrath (it's a little tight for fraidy Alex's tastes)
2. Didn't think Sherman could outrun the guy chasing
3. Didn't see Fasano

Or something. *shrug*

[007]

It does matter. He improved over time. So how he performed before that improvement has NOTHING to do with how he performs after the improvement.

Let's say you learn to play a musical instrument. You start out playing Mary Had a Little Lamb, badly. You improve so that after 5 years you are playing much harder songs, and playing them fairly well. Would it be fair to say "but over your music career you have shown you can't play Mary Had a Little Lamb very well"? No, of course not.

And we are just seeing TONS of improvement this year. 79.2

Listen, I am enjoying the ride here and I can appreciated that Alex has contributed to it to a degree. But lets not fool ourselves into thinking he is the difference maker. He isn't. If he doesn't start stepping up his game soon I don't see any reason not to expect the same results this year that we have had in the past. I truly do hope he makes me eat my words too.

[AussieChiefsFan]

I think Alex:

1. Didn't like the coverage on McGrath (it's a little tight for fraidy Alex's tastes)
2. Didn't think Sherman could outrun the guy chasing
3. Didn't see Fasano

Or something. *shrug*Goddamn he was so wide open. And for the entire play too.

[007]

Three guys open for six. Inexcusable.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexnotd.gif

http://i.imgur.com/PdKUTDR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMmdQjZ.jpg

JFC Horrible.

[AussieChiefsFan]

And we are just seeing TONS of improvement this year. 79.2

Listen, I am enjoying the ride here and I can appreciated that Alex has contributed to it to a degree. But lets not fool ourselves into thinking he is the difference maker. He isn't. If he doesn't start stepping up his game soon I don't see any reason not to expect the same results this year that we have had in the past. I truly do hope he makes me eat my words too.If he pulls a Flacco, that'd be great.

http://cdn.meme.li/i/n424s.jpg

[007]

If he pulls a Flacco, that'd be great.

http://cdn.meme.li/i/n424s.jpg

Would be awesome. But I would prefer he not get a Flacco like contract out of it.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Would be awesome. But I would prefer he not get a Flacco like contract out of it.Very true. However, if we're in the Super Bowl, down 4 points with 45 seconds left in the game, I don't think many would care how much money he would get out of it, we'd just want him to throw that touchdown pass.

[Tribal Warfare]

Three guys open for six. Inexcusable.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexnotd.gif

http://i.imgur.com/PdKUTDR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMmdQjZ.jpg

Epic Casseling

[ChiliConCarnage]

Lowest average depth of target among QBs this year? #Chiefs Alex Smith at 6.4, 0.4 lower than even 2012 Christian Ponder

[aturnis]

Three guys open for six. Inexcusable.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexnotd.gif

http://i.imgur.com/PdKUTDR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMmdQjZ.jpg

Four. Fasano, Sherman, McGrath, and pretty sure Donald Stephenson was an eligible receiver.

[loochy]

Three guys open for six. Inexcusable.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/alexnotd.gif

http://i.imgur.com/PdKUTDR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMmdQjZ.jpg

Holy crap...Fasano...:facepalm:

There's even a wide open viewing and throwing lane for him

Whoever said "Epic Casseling" is absolutely correct

[Marcellus]

Fasano and McGrath are the only availabe targets thats could score.

Sherman gets stopped by 31 before scoring and on a right sprint out you aren't going to turn and throw back across the field to an OL, even though he was eligible he wasn't part of any route and wouldn't expect the ball or likely catch the damn thing.

It would be curious to see them work on that in practice though as it may work if it was planned.

Still bad play by Smith and I am sure he knows it.

[The Franchise]

Even if you take Fasano out of the picture......throw the fucking ball to Sherman and let him try and take out the safety to get in. Pretty sure it's favorable that he scores a TD on that catch.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Difference-maker.

[Marcellus]

Even if you take Fasano out of the picture......throw the ****ing ball to Sherman and let him try and take out the safety to get in. Pretty sure it's favorable that he scores a TD on that catch.

Its possible, and better than what happened. He should have seen Fasano, end of story really.

[Marcellus]

Difference-maker.

97 yards of difference maker.