Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Kaepernick]

Alex is far better than Dilfer was? Are you sure?

Other than INT's, the Dilfer 2000/Smith 2013 statistics are damn similar when extrapolated out for an entire season.

Alex wins the yardage battle by 420, but does so with 124 more attempts.

Dilfer's completion percentage is fractionally better. 59/58%

Dilfer throws 6 more TD's, again with 120 fewer attempts.

YPA - Dilfer, 6.6 / Smith 6.0


Not sure how Smith is "far better" than Dilfer, when they have similar stats while Alex plays in a pass-first offense, in a QB dominated, passing league - while Dilfer played on a run first team in a league still ruled by defenses.

OK, this is funny, arguing which mediocre QB is more mediocre. :D

[SAUTO]

Please post your thoughts on the house when you get to that point in the thread, kthxbye.

Over bought
Posted via Mobile Device

[Pablo]

Please post your thoughts on the house when you get to that point in the thread, kthxbye.
Not a fan of two story brick homes. Give me a brick ranch with the square footage of that two story.

[BigBeauford]

Please post your thoughts on the house when you get to that point in the thread, kthxbye.

Is that considered a colonial?























Also Alex Smith is a bum.

[Mr. Plow]

Well?




http://i.imgur.com/P5y21mk.jpg

[Bearcat]

Over bought
Posted via Mobile Device

It mentions several updates... "Completely remodeled West End Colonial. 6 bed, 3 1/2 bath, walk-in closet, custom baths, new state of the art boiler, new roof, finished hardwood floors, amazing master suite with fire place." ...but damn, it cannot appraise well. Maybe it's haunted or something.

[Bearcat]

Not a fan of two story brick homes. Give me a brick ranch with the square footage of that two story.

And can you imaging paying $10,000 in property taxes?! Holy crap... I'm sure they have money to burn, but that's pretty crazy.

[Bearcat]

Well?




I bet it's off to its second job, doing whatever it can to chip in on the mortgage. Hell, it probably has its own bedroom for private chicken parties.

[htismaqe]

Poverty coaching and absolutely terrible management.

Rivers is a loser.

[Jakemall]

Alex is far better than Dilfer was? Are you sure?

Other than INT's, the Dilfer 2000/Smith 2013 statistics are damn similar when extrapolated out for an entire season.

Alex wins the yardage battle by 420, but does so with 124 more attempts.

Dilfer's completion percentage is fractionally better. 59/58%

Dilfer throws 6 more TD's, again with 120 fewer attempts.

YPA - Dilfer, 6.6 / Smith 6.0


Not sure how Smith is "far better" than Dilfer, when they have similar stats while Alex plays in a pass-first offense, in a QB dominated, passing league - while Dilfer played on a run first team in a league still ruled by defenses.



Alex smith Career QB rating: 79.4

That includes playing with injuries and all the stuff that Alex fans have tried to dismiss.

Alex Smith Career single season high QB rating 104.1



Tent Dilfer Career: 70.2 Single season Career High: 92.0


I'd say that's a lot better.

[SAUTO]

Alex smith Career QB rating: 79.4

That includes playing with injuries and all the stuff that Alex fans have tried to dismiss.

Alex Smith Career single season high QB rating 104.1



Tent Dilfer Career: 70.2 Single season Career High: 92.0


I'd say that's a lot better.
He's comparing Alex this year with dilfer's super bowl year, which makes sense
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[TheUte]

He's comparing Alex this year with dilfer's super bowl year, which makes sense
Posted via Mobile Device

Well comment was AS could not win a SB.

So yeah it kinda makes total sense.

[Hammock Parties]

Let's just compile that list from the other thread!

Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-30-1

Brady: 34-31
Manning: 39-58
Romo: 15-30
Ryan: 12-24
Flacco: 12-14
Rivers: 14-32
Green: 15-43
Cassel: 8-26
Huard: 3-6
Bono: 2-11
Geno Smith: 2-3

[Pablo]

Let's just compile that list from the other thread!

Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-30-1

Brady: 34-31
Manning: 39-58
Romo: 15-30
Ryan: 12-24
Flacco: 12-14
Rivers: 14-32
Green: 15-43
Cassel: 8-26
Huard: 3-6
Bono: 2-11
Geno Smith: 2-3I'm betting Geno rolls off 29 straight losses in this scenario to even things up a bit.

[GordonGekko]

Let's just compile that list from the other thread!

Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-30-1

Brady: 34-31
Manning: 39-58
Romo: 15-30
Ryan: 12-24
Flacco: 12-14
Rivers: 14-32
Green: 15-43
Cassel: 8-26
Huard: 3-6
Bono: 2-11
Geno Smith: 2-3

Not sure how the AS apologists are going to argue/spin this one. Clearly AS led teams do not score sufficient points or else his record would be a 'touch' better. 2-30-1 is appalling. I honestly wonder if Reid & Co. are aware of this statistic, and perhaps it would be something to ponder before signing AS up for 3+ more seasons to big dollars...

[Jakemall]

Let's just compile that list from the other thread!

Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-30-1

Brady: 34-31
Manning: 39-58
Romo: 15-30
Ryan: 12-24
Flacco: 12-14
Rivers: 14-32
Green: 15-43
Cassel: 8-26
Huard: 3-6
Bono: 2-11
Geno Smith: 2-3

Good trolling.

[Pablo]

I honestly wonder if Reid & Co. are aware of this statistic, and perhaps it would be something to ponder before signing AS up for 3+ more seasons to big dollars...LMAO

They don't give a shit about that. They just want a warm body to go .500 so Clark will give them another contract.

Alex is perfect for that.

[Jakemall]

Not sure how the AS apologists are going to argue/spin this one. Clearly AS led teams do not score sufficient points or else his record would be a 'touch' better. 2-30-1 is appalling. I honestly wonder if Reid & Co. are aware of this statistic, and perhaps it would be something to ponder before signing AS up for 3+ more seasons to big dollars...

LOL, really? Peyton Manning couldn't have made the play-offs with the 9ers pre-2010...they were THAT bad.

[Mr. Laz]

The LB 10 yards from Bowe, who BARELY puts his fingers on the ball.

I did you a favor. I made you an appointment for Monday at the eye doctor for a new set of glasses.

You have the vision of an NFL Referee.
It doesn't matter

Bowe is a big,physical jump ball type receiver and that ball hit him in both hands. He should of caught the ball.

Everyone kept screaming ... "throw Bowe the ball even if he's covered, let him make a play"

Well .......


Alex Smith has been playing well enough to win a Super Bowl the last 3 games. He has been very Eli Manning-ish. If that keeps up we are fine if our defense and receivers stop sucking ass.

[GordonGekko]

LOL, really? Peyton Manning couldn't have made the play-offs with the 9ers pre-2010...they were THAT bad.

Lol, ok, they are going to blame the team. That is how the AS apologists are going to sidestep this alarming statistic. I should have known. It is never going to be AS's fault.

[BigCatDaddy]

LOL, really? Peyton Manning couldn't have made the play-offs with the 9ers pre-2010...they were THAT bad.

As bad as the 1 win Colts team that Peyton took the playoffs the year before and Luck took the year after?

[GordonGekko]

LMAO

They don't give a shit about that. They just want a warm body to go .500 so Clark will give them another contract.

Alex is perfect for that.

KC football to the letter right here. .500 and at least we are better than Cincinnati and Arizona amirite? :banghead:

[GordonGekko]

As bas as the 1 win Colts team that Peyton took the playoffs the year before and Luck took the year after?

Boom.

[Jakemall]

Lol, ok, they are going to blame the team. That is how the AS apologists are going to sidestep this alarming statistic. I should have known. It is never going to be AS's fault.

Alex was part of that team so he's in part to blame...he didn't make it any better during that time (or worse since nobody did any better while he was out injured).

Nothing I say will make you less myopic, so I'll let it go. Sure, you're right.

[LiL stumppy]

Not sure how the AS apologists are going to argue/spin this one. Clearly AS led teams do not score sufficient points or else his record would be a 'touch' better. 2-30-1 is appalling. I honestly wonder if Reid & Co. are aware of this statistic, and perhaps it would be something to ponder before signing AS up for 3+ more seasons to big dollars...

Clearly the last two weeks have been the first time in his career any coach has really opened the playbook, and he has played two of his best games of his career. Watch a football game please.

[Jakemall]

As bad as the 1 win Colts team that Peyton took the playoffs the year before and Luck took the year after?

Please name me the QB of the 2011 team without looking it up.

[Pablo]

As bad as the 1 win Colts team that Peyton took the playoffs the year before and Luck took the year after?Crazy talk.

Team game. The QB is only as good as the team around him and stuff.

[Pablo]

Please name me the QB of the 2011 team without looking it up.Painter. It wasn't that hard to remember. It's two years ago.

[Jakemall]

Painter. It wasn't that hard to remember. It's two years ago.

Did he have a job the following year?

[jd1020]

Please name me the QB of the 2011 team without looking it up.

What's your point?

If they were such a good team 1 player shouldn't have been able to drag them down to cesspool.

[Pablo]

Did he have a job the following year?Don't know.

[GordonGekko]

Painter. It wasn't that hard to remember. It's two years ago.

He was trying to prove a point, yo.

The icing on the cake would be that the 'one' win for the Colts that year would have been against the AS led 49ers. I'm sure that wasn't the case but still hilarious if it were true.

**2 wins, Tennessee and Houston towards end of season

[Pablo]

Clearly the last two weeks have been the first time in his career any coach has really opened the playbook, and he has played two of his best games of his career. Watch a football game please.
Clearly.

[Hammock Parties]

You do have to admit it, though.

I was pimping this statistic before the season and met with cries of derision.

Now Alex is 0-3 in this situation as a Chief.

It is prophetic!

[jd1020]

He was trying to prove a point, yo.

The icing on the cake would be that the 'one' win for the Colts that year would have been against the AS led 49ers. I'm sure that wasn't the case but still hilarious if it were true.

They won 2 vs the Titans and Texans.

[GordonGekko]

They won 2 vs the Titans and Texans.

Yeah I looked that up. Hilarious though if one of them was against the 49ers (didn't play them that season, unfortunately). Pretty much would of terminated Jakemall from the thread. If we were only so lucky.

[GordonGekko]

You do have to admit it, though.

I was pimping this statistic before the season and met with cries of derision.

Now Alex is 0-3 in this situation as a Chief.

It is prophetic!

Did you dig this statistic up yourself, or did you see it somewhere?

[jd1020]

Yeah I looked that up. Hilarious though if one of them was against the 49ers (didn't play them that season, unfortunately). Pretty much would of terminated Jakemall from the thread. If we were only so lucky.

If Alex Smith was the QB of the Colts from 1998 through 2010 he'd have 54,828 yards, including 11 4,000+ yd seasons, and 399 TDs as well.

[BigCatDaddy]

Please name me the QB of the 2011 team without looking it up.

It's been addressed but everybody remembers the next Drew Brees being from the same school and all, but that has nothing to do with anything we've discussed. You said Peyton couldn't have gotten the 9ers to the playoffs, so I'm assuming with Painter as the QB of the 9ers they get 2 wins also?

[Mav]

Painter. It wasn't that hard to remember. It's two years ago.

Incorrect. It was actually Kerry Collins

[jd1020]

Incorrect. It was actually Kerry Collins

Kerry Collins started a whopping 3 games.

STFU

[Mav]

Kerry Collins started a whopping 3 games.

STFU

Including the first of the season, which is what we were talking about. There was a hodgepodge of qbs that started for that abortion of a season. So, eat a dick.....

[jd1020]

Including the first of the season, which is what we were talking about. There was a hodgepodge of qbs that started for that abortion of a season. So, eat a dick.....

Who the **** was talking about 1 game of an entire 2011 season?

You truly are an idiot. Curtis Painter was the starting QB of the Colts for the majority of the 2011 season.

[Mav]

Who the **** was talking about 1 game of an entire 2011 season?

You truly are an idiot. Curtis Painter was the starting QB of the Colts for the majority of the 2011 season.

I was dumbass. Who cares about the guy that started the MIDDLE of the season? Again, you could of talked about Painter, Orvlosky, or Collins. Really, who gives a flying shit.

But, you go right ahead being all ass raped.....

Ill keep laughing.

[Jakemall]

Who the **** was talking about 1 game of an entire 2011 season?

You truly are an idiot. Curtis Painter was the starting QB of the Colts for the majority of the 2011 season.

because the guy they thought could actually win some games was hurt?

If Alex went out, do you really think Daniels or Bray would have stepped in and everything would be fine? And Alex isn't Manning...or maybe you do...which is all the more reason for me to LMAO

Painter is a scrub. He didn't even have a job the following season.

[jd1020]

because the guy they thought could actually win some games was hurt?

If Alex went out, do you really think Daniels or Bray would have stepped in and everything would be fine? And Alex isn't Manning...or maybe you do...which is all the more reason for me to LMAO

Painter is a scrub. He didn't even have a job the following season.

Daniel or Bray would have to be really ****ing bad to not have close to a similar record as the Chiefs have today.

Unless you believe Alex played an intricate role in getting the team to that 9-0 record.

[jd1020]

I was dumbass.

That's why we know you are retarded. Because no one else was talking about 1 fucking game.

I guess Tom Brady was the Patriots QB for the 2008 season because he started game 1.

[Jakemall]

Daniel or Bray would have to be really ****ing bad to not have close to a similar record as the Chiefs have today.

Unless you believe Alex played an intricate roll in getting the team to that 9-0 record.

Intricate Roll???? LMAO:LOL:

[jd1020]

Intricate Roll???? LMAO:LOL:

Role*

Excuse the **** out of me for having a typo.

Would you like to detail how dependent the team was on Alex Smith for those 9 wins? Or would you like to hang your hat on 1 letter and ignore the issue at hand?

[Mav]

That's why we know you are retarded. Because no one else was talking about 1 ****ing game.

I guess Tom Brady was the Patriots QB for the 2008 season because he started game 1.

Sorry guy, but, when you start three different qbs, trying to find ONE to pin the majority of the blame on, or anoint as the GUY, is ridiculous. That's why I said that KERRY COLLINS started the season. After that, when you are 2-14, who really cares?

[Jakemall]

Role*

Excuse the **** out of me for having a typo.

Would you like to detail how dependent the team was on Alex Smith for those 9 wins?

A typo?

Do you know what intricate means?

[jd1020]

A typo?

Do you know what intricate means?

Complex, complicated, elaborate...

Seriously?

There was nothing complex about what Alex was asked to do. Sorry.

[jd1020]

Sorry guy, but, when you start three different qbs, trying to find ONE to pin the majority of the blame on, or anoint as the GUY, is ridiculous. That's why I said that KERRY COLLINS started the season. After that, when you are 2-14, who really cares?

This is how the question was asked.

Please name me the QB of the 2011 team without looking it up.

Painter. It wasn't that hard to remember. It's two years ago.

This is when your dumbass entered the conversation.

Incorrect. It was actually Kerry Collins

Would you like to quote in your ignorance where the words "started the season" are?

[Jakemall]

Complex, complicated...

Seriously?

There was nothing complex about what Alex was asked to do. Sorry.

Umm...wow. This is painful.


The word you're looking for is integral not intricate.

An integral role is one that is important or essential...

I'm fairly certain that this is what you meant....

[GordonGekko]

Umm...wow. This is painful.


The word you're looking for is integral not intricate.

An integral role is one that is important or essential...

I'm fairly certain that this is what you meant....

No,

2-30-1

is fucking painful.

But let's keep deflecting and arguing about the 2011 Colts, shall we?

[Jakemall]

This is how the question was asked.





This is when your dumbass entered the conversation.



Would you like to quote in your ignorance where the word "started" is?

His comment is legit. It might not have been clearly stated since Collin was supposed to be the QB of 2011, but was injured...

Clearly you can't expect the 3rd choice of a team to do well? Dude was a scrub as I mentioned...and the 4th choice didn't do much better.

[Jakemall]

No,

2-30-1

is ****ing painful.

But let's keep deflecting and arguing about the 2011 Colts, shall we?

You're right of course. I shouldn't hold it against him if English is his second language.

JD, you have my appologies.

[Bearcat]

As bad as the 1 win Colts team that Peyton took the playoffs the year before and Luck took the year after?

And that 2010 team had all kinds of issues, IIRC... the defense was just as bad as it always had been, plus they had receivers going down, a terrible offensive line, no run game. A great QB can cover up a lot of shit (note: I said "can," not "always will," so no need for 'omg, what about (this team) that sucks right now!'). Of course, actually winning deep into the playoffs is another story. Hell, the Broncos are just another shitty team without Manning.

[Hammock Parties]

Did you dig this statistic up yourself, or did you see it somewhere?

This is my own statistic. It was shocking when I discovered the truth.

[TheUte]

And that 2010 team had all kinds of issues, IIRC... the defense was just as bad as it always had been, plus they had receivers going down, a terrible offensive line, no run game. A great QB can cover up a lot of shit (note: I said "can," not "always will," so no need for 'omg, what about (this team) that sucks right now!'). Of course, actually winning deep into the playoffs is another story. Hell, the Broncos are just another shitty team without Manning.

No way, do you really think Princess didn't know exactly what he was doing when he signed with Denver

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Last 3 games

73 For 125 (about 10 drops) 817 Yards 7 TD 2 INT 98 yards rushing


Man he sucks.

[Hammock Parties]

Stats are for losers.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Stats are for losers.

No i can play the stat go too.

[ChiefsCountry]

Last 3 games

73 For 125 (about 10 drops) 817 Yards 7 TD 2 INT 98 yards rushing


Man he sucks.

0-3

Record is all you stupid cunts wanted to use during the 9-0 run.

[Hammock Parties]

0-3

Record is all you stupid cunts wanted to use during the 9-0 run.

http://i.imgur.com/RNWfNpQ.jpg

[Tribal Warfare]

0-3

Record is all you stupid cunts wanted to use during the 9-0 run.

"scoreboard motherfucker"

[TheUte]

Stats are for losers.

Hello POT, Kettel calling!

[Sandy Vagina]

This stat is nothing more than an excuse to garner internet attention and encourage the natives to waste time throwing mud at other posters. It just doesn't matter.. and eventually, it might be nice to just grow the **** up already.

If everyone is honest, you would admit that in the last few games (and really, longer), Alex has been pretty good. You are learning that when the OL rises above dumpster-fire levels of play... Alex will deliver far more good passes than bad.

This is really all the supporters ever really said about him. He is a good quarterback, but can not carry a poor team to too many victories.

So what else is there to really argue and sling mud over? Are your lives really so sad and empty that this is how you want to fill it?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

0-3

Record is all you stupid ****s wanted to use during the 9-0 run.

All you stupid ****s wanted to say stats during his 9-0 run. You clowns cant have it both ways.

[Hammock Parties]

9-0 start (Alex is perfect!)
0-3 slide (Alex is blameless!)

Please.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

9-0 start (Alex is perfect!)
0-3 slide (Alex is blameless!)

Please.

Not one person said Alex was perfect on the 9-0 run. I swear what board are you reading?

[mschiefs1984]

All you stupid ****s wanted to say stats during his 9-0 run. You clowns cant have it both ways.

This is something like they don't like the answer so they changed the question.

Never going to win with them. When the Chiefs win it's in spite of Alex. When they lose it's because Alex didn't do enough.It's never going to change

[Sandy Vagina]

9-0 start (Alex is perfect!)
0-3 slide (Alex is blameless!)

Please.

No one has stated either sentiment in parenthesis. Your immature trolling should soon be your undoing. Don't you get tired of being this way? Do the mods here really not get tired of this?

[JF08]

This thread has gone full retard.

[Mr. Laz]

This is something like they don't like the answer so they changed the question.

Never going to win with them. When the Chiefs win it's in spite of Alex. When they lose it's because Alex didn't do enough.It's never going to change
This

They will keep changing no matter what happens.

[Hammock Parties]

no alex. NO. GOD NO.

http://i.imgur.com/XNew1jH.gif

[GordonGekko]

no alex. NO. GOD NO.

http://i.imgur.com/XNew1jH.gif

Casselesque.

Could have just ran that shit in.

[Hammock Parties]

On first down I'd rather see Alex dive for that pylon....but I don't think he even saw the LB.

[OnTheWarpath15]

On first down I'd rather see Alex dive for that pylon....but I don't think he even saw the LB.

Yep.

He's got Sherman on a DB to clear out. Run that shit, or chuck it into the 5th row.

[Jakemall]

Casselesque.

Could have just ran that shit in.

I don't think his blocker was even looking to block...did you see how surprised he was when the LB knocked him?

[Jakemall]

Yep.

He's got Sherman on a DB to clear out. Run that shit, or chuck it into the 5th row.

He should have floated the ball higher. Sherman was looking to catch it short, not block.

[Jakemall]

0-3

Record is all you stupid ****s wanted to use during the 9-0 run.

Okay.... 9-3 then.


Happy?

[duncan_idaho]

This is something like they don't like the answer so they changed the question.

Never going to win with them. When the Chiefs win it's in spite of Alex. When they lose it's because Alex didn't do enough.It's never going to change

I and many others have said from Day 1 that one of our biggest concerns with Alex Smith is his inability to win games when opposing teams score some points against his defense and he has to make plays to win the game.

I and many others thought the Chiefs gave up way too much to be a mediocre wildcard type team with Alex Smith this season. A combination of the defense playing at an elite level and a powderpuff schedule pointed the hopes a little higher for a while, but it has come crashing down the last three weeks, as the Chiefs have played teams with pulses offensively.

Neither has really changed and neither has been proven false.

Meanwhile, the team that the Chiefs would play if the playoffs started tomorrow - whom Chiefs homers were SURE the Chiefs could walk over in Cincinnati - just went out to San Diego and held the Chargers to 10 points, one weeks after Rivers tore the Chiefs D apart.

Hey, at least the parking lots and stadium are full again. At least Clark is making money.

[Hammock Parties]

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

[Anyong Bluth]

All you stupid ****s wanted to say stats during his 9-0 run. You clowns cant have it both ways.



9-0 start (Alex is perfect!)
0-3 slide (Alex is blameless!)

Please.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/03/nygybubu.jpg

[OnTheWarpath15]

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

Against a bad defense who was short two starters on the DL and one in the secondary.

And with our defense giving the offense two turnovers.

All that, and 21 points scored. Ugh.

[duncan_idaho]

Against a bad defense who was short two starters on the DL and one in the secondary.

And with our defense giving the offense two turnovers.

All that, and 21 points scored. Ugh.

Don't forget the special teams score...

[Jakemall]

I and many others have said from Day 1 that one of our biggest concerns with Alex Smith is his inability to win games when opposing teams score some points against his defense and he has to make plays to win the game.

I and many others thought the Chiefs gave up way too much to be a mediocre wildcard type team with Alex Smith this season. A combination of the defense playing at an elite level and a powderpuff schedule pointed the hopes a little higher for a while, but it has come crashing down the last three weeks, as the Chiefs have played teams with pulses offensively.

Meanwhile, the team that the Chiefs would play if the playoffs started tomorrow - whom Chiefs homers were SURE the Chiefs could walk over in Cincinnati - just went out to San Diego and held the Chargers to 10 points, one weeks after Rivers tore the Chiefs D apart.

Hey, at least the parking lots and stadium are full again. At least Clark is making money.

I'm honestly baffled how you can talk about Alex not having what it takes to bring the team back when it was painfully hard to miss how bad the defense and the WRs were playing. Sure the pick was bad, but he played a fantastic game.

[duncan_idaho]

I'm honestly baffled how you can talk about Alex not having what it takes to bring the team back when it was painfully hard to miss how bad the defense and the WRs were playing. Sure the pick was bad, but he played a fantastic game.

Alex Smith's 6 percent success rate against teams that score more than 24 points against his defense tells us that he can't consistently win a game where the offense must carry the team, rather than the other way around. That's why I don't believe in his ability to bring a team back.

He has played better the past few weeks than in his previous 4-5 games, but his faults are a contributing factor to the poor performance of the offense on Sunday.

Alex Smith's offense scored 14 independent points. Basically about what it has done all year. That's not good enough.

Alex Smith's offense crapped the bed in the third quarter, when the game turned and got out of hand. Maybe if the offense has an actual drive in the 3rd quarter rather than holding the ball for around 5 minutes total, the defense gets some rest and turns it around a bit. At the very least, you probably take one more possession away from Denver (where was that ball control offense Smith supporters have talked so much about?)

Yes, drops were a problem. Yes, the Chiefs have dropped a lot of passes on the season. But a good QB and good offense overcome them.

Avery's drop was the only one that was blatantly awful. Jenkins was making a diving/stretching play. So was Fasano (who was likely concussed on the play people were up in arms for him dropping).

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

no alex. NO. GOD NO.

http://i.imgur.com/XNew1jH.gif

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bag7a5FCcAAUwZo.jpg:large


A.Smith pass deep left to A.Jenkins to KC 30 for 26 yards



Alex made plays all game. Manning throw 2 picks INT happen.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

We ate giving up like 500 yards a game the last 4 weeks....that's an issue folks. The offense is coming around.

[Sandy Vagina]

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

Every player that takes the field has to assume some responsibility... same as it ever was. It is only the extremist that play the strawman of "see? he gets no blame!"

... but this is well known by everyone... so the rest is just bickering for the sake of attention and "entertaining" mud-slinging.

[TheUte]

Alex Smith's 6 percent success rate against teams that score more than 24 points against his defense tells us that he can't consistently win a game where the offense must carry the team, rather than the other way around. That's why I don't believe in his ability to bring a team back.

He has played better the past few weeks than in his previous 4-5 games, but his faults are a contributing factor to the poor performance of the offense on Sunday.

Alex Smith's offense scored 14 independent points. Basically about what it has done all year. That's not good enough.

Alex Smith's offense crapped the bed in the third quarter, when the game turned and got out of hand. Maybe if the offense has an actual drive in the 3rd quarter rather than holding the ball for around 5 minutes total, the defense gets some rest and turns it around a bit. At the very least, you probably take one more possession away from Denver (where was that ball control offense Smith supporters have talked so much about?)

Yes, drops were a problem. Yes, the Chiefs have dropped a lot of passes on the season. But a good QB and good offense overcome them.

Avery's drop was the only one that was blatantly awful. Jenkins was making a diving/stretching play. So was Fasano (who was likely concussed on the play people were up in arms for him dropping).

If you are really still bitching about AS after the last 12 games, I'm just amazed that you think QB is the biggest issue with this team.

AS should play better no question, but far, far from the problem with this team.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

What about Dex huge mistake? Dex lets that ball go it could be 28-7. The what if games get old.

[duncan_idaho]

If you are really still bitching about AS after the last 12 games, I'm just amazed that you think QB is the biggest issue with this team.

AS should play better no question, but far, far from the problem with this team.

I'm not saying Alex Smith is the only problem with this team or even the biggest one.

But he is a significant part of the issues on offense. Poor OL play (though it has played better of late, hmm, what is different?), lackluster receiver play, mediocre QB play all contribute to create the shitstorm that is the Chiefs' offense.

Alex Smith, so far, has been who the doubters feared he was. It sucks, but as long as the Chiefs don't compound their overpay mistake by signing him to an extension, they can move on from it.

Worst thing would be tying themselves to Smith's wagon long term.

He's a Ford Taurus. He's OK. There are some nice features. But he's not a QB you want to be attached to long term if you can afford to avoid it.

Just because he is a gigantic upgrade from the rusted out 1986 Dodge Dart you were driving doesn't mean he's a Porsche.

[TheUte]

I'm not saying Alex Smith is the only problem with this team or even the biggest one.

But he is a significant part of the issues on offense. Poor OL play (though it has played better of late, hmm, what is different?), lackluster receiver play, mediocre QB play all contribute to create the shitstorm that is the Chiefs' offense.

Alex Smith, so far, has been who the doubters feared he was. It sucks, but as long as the Chiefs don't compound their overpay mistake by signing him to an extension, they can move on from it.

Worst thing would be tying themselves to Smith's wagon long term.

He's a Ford Taurus. He's OK. There are some nice features. But he's not a QB you want to be attached to long term if you can afford to avoid it.

Just because he is a gigantic upgrade from the rusted out 1986 Dodge Dart you were driving doesn't mean he's a Porsche.

So what do you think they should do for QB?

[duncan_idaho]

So what do you think they should do for QB?

In the future?

If they like a QB in the draft, do whatever is necessary to draft him.

If they like a FA QB (which really probably amounts to Cutler), do whatever is necessary to sign him.

If they like a QB on the trading block, do whatever it takes to acquire him.

Unfortunately, without a 2nd round pick next year, their compensation options are limited. Harder to trade up into the first for a QB without that pick, and harder to trade for a QB without that pick.

[mschiefs1984]

I and many others have said from Day 1 that one of our biggest concerns with Alex Smith is his inability to win games when opposing teams score some points against his defense and he has to make plays to win the game.

I and many others thought the Chiefs gave up way too much to be a mediocre wildcard type team with Alex Smith this season. A combination of the defense playing at an elite level and a powderpuff schedule pointed the hopes a little higher for a while, but it has come crashing down the last three weeks, as the Chiefs have played teams with pulses offensively.

Neither has really changed and neither has been proven false.

Meanwhile, the team that the Chiefs would play if the playoffs started tomorrow - whom Chiefs homers were SURE the Chiefs could walk over in Cincinnati - just went out to San Diego and held the Chargers to 10 points, one weeks after Rivers tore the Chiefs D apart.

Hey, at least the parking lots and stadium are full again. At least Clark is making money.

I will for the life of me never understand the giving a hall pass to the defense when they lay an egg and saying well Smith couldn't make enough plays.

Last week even when the D was giving points Alex kept putting the Chiefs back on top. He did it under 2 minutes to go in the game. The D yet again let Rivers drive down and score and the Chiefs lost. All you heard from some is Alex came up short.

I'm not arguing Alex Smith in general I've given up on that I just don't understand how the QB is to blame for piss poor defense. Could the offense always put up more points well ya. But when you do put up a lot of points and still lose I can't put that on the offense. The defense has to take that bullet. They are accountable. Guess that's just me

[duncan_idaho]

I will for the life of me never understand the giving a hall pass to the defense when they lay an egg and saying well Smith couldn't make enough plays.

Last week even when the D was giving points Alex kept putting the Chiefs back on top. He did it under 2 minutes to go in the game. The D yet again let Rivers drive down and score and the Chiefs lost. All you heard from some is Alex came up short.

I'm not arguing Alex Smith in general I've given up on that I just don't understand how the QB is to blame for piss poor defense. Could the offense always put up more points well ya. But when you do put up a lot of points and still lose I can't put that on the offense. The defense has to take that bullet. They are accountable. Guess that's just me

I'm not giving the defense a pass. They played like garbage each of the past two weeks. They played pretty well in Denver.

Alex Smith's history makes it pretty clear the Chiefs should not expect to win any games that turn into shootouts (or even moderately approach that territory). Last week could have been an exception to Smith's normal career trends if the defense doesn't crap its pants.

[keg in kc]

I will for the life of me never understand the giving a hall pass to the defense when they lay an egg and saying well Smith couldn't make enough plays.

Last week even when the D was giving points Alex kept putting the Chiefs back on top. He did it under 2 minutes to go in the game. The D yet again let Rivers drive down and score and the Chiefs lost. All you heard from some is Alex came up short.

I'm not arguing Alex Smith in general I've given up on that I just don't understand how the QB is to blame for piss poor defense. Could the offense always put up more points well ya. But when you do put up a lot of points and still lose I can't put that on the offense. The defense has to take that bullet. They are accountable. Guess that's just meIt's not an either/or proposition. Both sides of the ball were accountable for yesterday. They both started out well, both went into the tank during the middle of the game, and then both did almost, but not quite, enough to win at the end.

It's most likely a different game if either of two things happen: the defense makes even one stop between the late 2nd and early 4th quarters, or the offense does something other than punt when they have the ball with a 21-7 lead, a 21-14 lead or when the game is tied. Both of those things happen, and it might well be a blowout with us on top.

We really squandered an opportunity yesterday, after a hot start.

[mschiefs1984]

I'm not giving the defense a pass. They played like garbage each of the past two weeks. They played pretty well in Denver.

Alex Smith's history makes it pretty clear the Chiefs should not expect to win any games that turn into shootouts (or even moderately approach that territory). Last week could have been an exception to Smith's normal career trends if the defense doesn't crap its pants.

Well I wasn't talking about you in general but there are some who always make it out that Alex is to blame when the defense shits the bed. I just don't understand that logic at all. When the defense is laying an egg and the offense is producing then you need to upgrade the defense not the QB spot like some suggest.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Well I wasn't talking about you in general but there are some who always make it out that Alex is to blame when the defense shits the bed. I just don't understand that logic at all. When the defense is laying an egg and the offense is producing then you need to upgrade the defense not the QB spot like some suggest.

Your definition of "producing" must be considerably different than mine.

[Sandy Vagina]

Alex Smith's history makes it pretty clear the Chiefs should not expect to win any games that turn into shootouts

Pretty damn stupid to take a TEAM stat like this and judge the QB off of it. It may be a TEAM stat that involves only the games this particular QB played in... but it still involved a TEAM to determine such a stat.


Alex got the same type of receiver play in SF that he got from KC in last Sunday's game. Add in the remarkably potato coaching prior to Harbaugh... and the true reasons for such a stat become more clear. Even with Harbaugh, our offense was just beginning to evolve.

And no.. it also involves some blame for the QB... but when your receivers are not built to come from behind... when your gameplans are never designed around quick-score shoot-outs... when you never really had a good pass pro OL.... yeah... great recipe for coming back in high score games.

[mschiefs1984]

Your definition of "producing" must be considerably different than mine.

The Chiefs scored 38 points and 28 points the last 2 weeks I call that producing

They still lost.

[Hammock Parties]

The Chiefs scored 38 points and 28 points the last 2 weeks I call that producing

They still lost.

We scored 21 offensive points.

That is not going to be enough to beat Peyton. Even at home.

The defense is what it is. We won games this year when Alex played like total dog shit. Now the shoe is on the other foot, why can't he take advantage of two red zone opportunities?

Same as it ever was, though.

[duncan_idaho]

Well I wasn't talking about you in general but there are some who always make it out that Alex is to blame when the defense shits the bed. I just don't understand that logic at all. When the defense is laying an egg and the offense is producing then you need to upgrade the defense not the QB spot like some suggest.

Defense needs upgrades at rush LB (need a viable third guy to provide depth and also keep Houston and Hali fresh) and CB.

But the rush LB is not a high dollar/high slot upgrade. You find a guy that fits what you do and draft the replacement. Or maybe pick up a guy who hasn't been schemed into that role yet but is a potential fit. It's a LUXURY upgrade.

The CB, looks like more of a need, though it appeared KC was set when the pass rush was dominating early in the year.

The offense has a lot more problems. QB, WR, OL, TE.

It's not Alex Smith's fault when the defense kicks rocks, not directly. Only thing you could even remotely say is that if they'd kept the second round pick and used it on a rush OLB or CB there, the defense would be better.

I wouldn't argue that.

Ultimately, as far as crying for a QB upgrade before defensive upgrades... QB is the single most important position and also the hardest to find a solution at. Therefore, more resources must be invested in finding an upgrade. The Chiefs other upgrade needs are much easier to locate.

[mschiefs1984]

Pretty damn stupid to take a TEAM stat like this and judge the QB off of it. It may be a TEAM stat that involves only the games this particular QB played in... but it still involved a TEAM to determine such a stat.


Alex got the same type of receiver play in SF that he got from KC in last Sunday's game. Add in the remarkably potato coaching prior to Harbaugh... and the true reasons for such a stat become more clear. Even with Harbaugh, our offense was just beginning to evolve.

And no.. it also involves some blame for the QB... but when your receivers are not built to come from behind... when your gameplans are never designed around quick-score shoot-outs... when you never really had a good pass pro OL.... yeah... great recipe for coming back in high score games.

Anther example of having it both ways. When the Chiefs win wins are a team stat. When they lose it's "Alex Smith's career record is this when the opponent scores over 24 points"

[Hammock Parties]

When they lose it's "Alex Smith's career record is this when the opponent scores over 24 points"

Out of all those games, and losses, there is only one common denominator over Alex's eight years.

Alex.

[duncan_idaho]

Pretty damn stupid to take a TEAM stat like this and judge the QB off of it. It may be a TEAM stat that involves only the games this particular QB played in... but it still involved a TEAM to determine such a stat.


Alex got the same type of receiver play in SF that he got from KC in last Sunday's game. Add in the remarkably potato coaching prior to Harbaugh... and the true reasons for such a stat become more clear. Even with Harbaugh, our offense was just beginning to evolve.

And no.. it also involves some blame for the QB... but when your receivers are not built to come from behind... when your gameplans are never designed around quick-score shoot-outs... when you never really had a good pass pro OL.... yeah... great recipe for coming back in high score games.

So wins are only a team stat now?

But... 29-6-1

[OnTheWarpath15]

We scored 21 offensive points.

Beat me to it.

14 independent points. The "egg laying defense" gave the offense a 22 yard field to work with for another 7 points.

[mschiefs1984]

Out of all those games, and losses, there is only one common denominator over Alex's eight years.

Alex.

And the defense sucking

And that doesn't change the fact that you want to have it both ways when they win it's a team stat when they lose it's a Alex stat

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Out of all those games, and losses, there is only one common denominator over Alex's eight years.

Alex.

IF only we had Geno.. That's right you jumped off that bandwagon. Alex was the best QB on the market this off season and the Chiefs got there man. It's that simple.

[Deberg_1990]

Love me sum Alex Smith! Hes really stepped up his game the past few weeks.

[Sandy Vagina]

So wins are only a team stat now?

But... 29-6-1

wins are ALWAYS a team stat... and I am supposed to be on your ignore list. Get back to that! :p

[duncan_idaho]

And the defense sucking

And that doesn't change the fact that you want to have it both ways when they win it's a team stat when they lose it's a Alex stat

General wins are a team stat. The most marginal NFL starting QB in the game can win with a great defense and special teams against bad and mediocre opponents, if he protects the football.

The 2-30-1 stat adds some context and predictors to what Alex Smith-piloted offenses do when the opposing team puts up even a slightly above-average offensive performance.

Even if you limit it to just the past 3 years - when Alex Smith has had good teams around him - he's merely 2-6-1 in those games, with the two wins coming against teams with bad defenses (2011 Rams and 2011 Saints).

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

General wins are a team stat. The most marginal NFL starting QB in the game can win with a great defense and special teams against bad and mediocre opponents, if he protects the football.

The 2-30-1 stat adds some context and predictors to what Alex Smith-piloted offenses do when the opposing team puts up even a slightly above-average offensive performance.

Even if you limit it to just the past 3 years - when Alex Smith has had good teams around him - he's merely 2-6-1 in those games, with the two wins coming against teams with bad defenses (2011 Rams and 2011 Saints).

Most of that came on bad 49ers teams with awful coaches.

[Brock]

Love me sum Alex Smith! Hes really stepped up his game the past few weeks.

Yep he's almost good enough to get it done!

[Deberg_1990]

Most of that came on bad 49ers teams with awful coaches.

exactly why this stat is full of bullshit

[Deberg_1990]

Yep he's almost good enough to get it done!



Hes played well enough to get it done. The rest of the team has not. Team sport.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

2-6-1 the past three years.

Now look up other QB i bet Alex will be right there with most of them.

[Pablo]

Yep he's almost good enough to get it done!Good enough for Chiefs fans!

That's all they'll ever ask for.

You might not be talented; and you might not be a winner...but if you try really hard this town will fucking love you.

[duncan_idaho]

exactly why this stat is full of bullshit

It would be full of bullshit if he was reversing the trend with better teams and great coaches around him.

He hasn't.

[jd1020]

Hes played well enough to get it done. The rest of the team has not. Team sport.

Alex Smith... grading out perfectly.

[Deberg_1990]

Good enough for Chiefs fans!

That's all they'll ever ask for.

You might not be talented; and you might not be a winner...but if you try really hard this town will ****ing love you.

Matt Cassel tried really hard. Nobody loved him.

[Hammock Parties]

Matt Cassel tried really hard. Nobody loved him.

Dude people made excuses for Cassel all the way up until 2012.

[duncan_idaho]

Now look up other QB i bet Alex will be right there with most of them.

I know this wasn't on Twitter, so I understand you might have missed it. But just a few pages ago...

Let's just compile that list from the other thread!

Alex Smith's career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-30-1

Brady: 34-31
Manning: 39-58
Romo: 15-30
Ryan: 12-24
Flacco: 12-14
Rivers: 14-32
Green: 15-43
Cassel: 8-26
Huard: 3-6
Bono: 2-11
Geno Smith: 2-3

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I know this wasn't on Twitter, so I understand you might have missed it. But just a few pages ago...

Talking last 3 years dumbass.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Eli Manning last 3 years when teams score 24 points

8-14 Man Eli really sucks.

[Pablo]

Matt Cassel tried really hard. Nobody loved him.They did up until the second half of last season.

This town and fan base are absolute suckers for the under performing "team" guys.

[Hammock Parties]

Talking last 3 years dumbass.

In the last three seasons, Joe Flacco, whom some here think Alex is equal to, is 6-7 against teams scoring 24+ points. That includes two playoff wins.

[Hammock Parties]

Eli Manning last 3 years when teams score 24 points

8-14 Man Eli really sucks.

I'd say 8 wins in that scenario is pretty impressive compared to 2.

[chiefzilla1501]

We scored 21 offensive points.

That is not going to be enough to beat Peyton. Even at home.

The defense is what it is. We won games this year when Alex played like total dog shit. Now the shoe is on the other foot, why can't he take advantage of two red zone opportunities?

Same as it ever was, though.

One drive killed when our only 2 passes were perfectly thrown and dropped
One drive killed with a bullshit grounding penalty forcing a 2nd and 20
One drive made more difficult by Dex backing us to the 3 on a horrible decision to field a punt
One drive hurt by a holding penalty forcing a 3rd and 18

I got on Alex's case for a shitty performance last game against Denver. It's really, really hard to pin this one on him. He made his share of mistakes, but his teammates made points a shitload harder than they needed to be.

[Hammock Parties]

The 49ers (and Chiefs) defenses really limited the amount of times Alex was in that kind of situation.

The fact he still only has two wins in three seasons says quite a bit about him.

[Brock]

Hes played well enough to get it done. The rest of the team has not. Team sport.

This is bullshit. He got three throws to tie the game. Found wanting.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Big Ben last 3 years when teams score 24 points or more

1-9 My god Ben must suck

[Hammock Parties]

I got on Alex's case for a shitty performance last game against Denver. It's really, really hard to pin this one on him. He made his share of mistakes, but his teammates made points a shitload harder than they needed to be.

I'm not pinning the loss on Alex.

He is always going to be incapable of winning a game where the defense falters, though.

Always. Or at least 9 times out of 10.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Eli 8-14
Ben 1-9


Just the first 2 QB i looked up should i do more?

[Hammock Parties]

Big Ben last 3 years when teams score 24 points or more

1-9 My god Ben must suck

So you basically want to compare the only good period of Alex's career against Ben's lean years.

That's bullshit, son.

At the very least you need to compare Alex's good seasons against Ben's entire career.

But even that is questionable.

Waaaaaaa Alex played on bad teams. Waaaaaaaa.

That still doesn't excuse ZERO wins in that situation.

[Hammock Parties]

Eli 8-14
Ben 1-9


Just the first 2 QB i looked up should i do more?

Flacco 6-7

heyoooooooooooooo

[Brock]

And obviously, his field generalship is in question, based on his panicky game management in the red zone.

[hometeam]

Eli Manning last 3 years when teams score 24 points

8-14 Man Eli really sucks.

Yes and that's still 4x as many as alex

[Deberg_1990]

This is bullshit. He got three throws to tie the game. Found wanting.

Nobody is saying hes Manning, Brady or Brees. But how many guys are??? If you dont have one of those guys, you can still win with decent QB play, but the rest of the team has to pull its weight as well.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm not pinning the loss on Alex.

He is always going to be incapable of winning a game where the defense falters, though.

Always. Or at least 9 times out of 10.

I think the last 2 games proved that he can carry a team even if the supporting cast is reasonably bad. He can't carry a team when they are unreasonably bad. Few QBs can. I thought Smith's performance the last 2 weeks is very acceptable.

I'm not yet sold he can pull this kind of performance off against a defense that isn't as terrible as San Diego's and isn't as beat up as Denver's.

[Brock]

Nobody is saying hes Manning, Brady or Brees. But how many guys are??? If you dont have one of those guys, you can still win with decent QB play, but the rest of the team has to pull its weight as well.

So you agree that he was almost good enough.

[duncan_idaho]

Talking last 3 years dumbass.

It's usually on the one who questions the stat to disprove it, but I'll help you out. I won't even look at elite guys. I'll just pick some guys whom many have disputed are better than Alex Smith:

Tony Romo is 7-15 over the past three years. Better.

Philip Rivers is 5-19. Better.

Joe Flacco is 6-8. Better.

Matt Ryan is 5-10. Better (and before this disaster of a season, was 3-2).

Matt Schaub is 5-9. Better.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Stafford is 8-14

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

It's usually on the one who questions the stat to disprove it, but I'll help you out. I won't even look at elite guys. I'll just pick some guys whom many have disputed are better than Alex Smith:

Tony Romo is 7-15 over the past three years. Better.

Philip Rivers is 5-19. Better.

Joe Flacco is 6-8. Better.

Matt Ryan is 5-10. Better (and before this disaster of a season, was 3-2).

Matt Schaub is 5-9. Better.

If Alex had this many chances he might be better then them. Why would you look up elite QB's? No one here is calling Alex Elite

[Hammock Parties]

If Alex had this many chances he might be better then them.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

[jd1020]

I'd like to thank Huard, Thigpen, Croyle, Palko, Cassel, and Quinn for this broken ass fanbase that wants to believe someone marginally better can win it all.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm not yet sold he can pull this kind of performance off against a defense that isn't as terrible as San Diego's and isn't as beat up as Denver's.

If Alex Smith is truly on the upswing, the Redskins are in for rape.

There should be 0 reason he doesn't ball the fuck out Sunday.

[Pablo]

better then them

better then them

better then them

[SAUTO]

Incorrect. It was actually Kerry Collins

LMAO really? Collins was signed on AUG 24. let that sink in.


and reggie wayne and other teammates were pissed because he didn't know the plays. they wanted painter to start.

[Pablo]

LMAO really? Collins was signed on AUG 24. let that sink in.


and reggie wayne and other teammates were pissed because he didn't know the plays. they wanted painter to start.Don't waste your time with that guy.

jd took care of him earlier.

[Sandy Vagina]

I'd like to thank Huard, Thigpen, Croyle, Palko, Cassel, and Quinn for turning we the fans into gaping vaginas that can do nothing but spread our doom and gloom menstruation here.

FYP

[duncan_idaho]

If Alex had this many chances he might be better then them.

All right, then. Let's adjust for chances.

In 22 chances, at his current rate, Alex Smith would have 4.88 wins. Round it up to 5, and that's still 2 games worse than Romo.

He'd have 3.11 in 14 chances, nearly 3 games worse than Flacco and nearly 2 games worse than Matt Schaub.

He'd have 3.33 wins in 15 chances, nearly 2 games worse than Ryan.

Rivers is the only one he beats when adjusting for opportunities.

[Hammock Parties]

I'd like to thank Huard, Thigpen, Croyle, Palko, Cassel, and Quinn for this broken ass fanbase that wants to believe someone marginally better can win it all.

Thigpen had this fanbase all aflutter in 2008.

If we ever draft a first rounder and he's even decent, like Flacco or Ryan, they are going to be so fucking in love. LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

All right, then. Let's adjust for chances.

In 22 chances, at his current rate, Alex Smith would have 4.88 wins. Round it up to 5, and that's still 2 games worse than Romo.

He'd have 3.11 in 14 chances, nearly 3 games worse than Flacco and nearly 2 games worse than Matt Schaub.

He'd have 3.33 wins in 15 chances, nearly 2 games worse than Ryan.

Rivers is the only one he beats when adjusting for opportunities.

We know that throwing the ball more has certainly helped Alex's completion percentage and yards per attempt.

I am sure throwing more against teams who are scoring more will be awesome for him!

[jd1020]

If Alex Smith is truly on the upswing, the Redskins are in for rape.

There should be 0 reason he doesn't ball the **** out Sunday.

The 2 juggernauts going at it. The 20 point scoring offense vs the 30 points given a game defense.

Classic scenario of the Unstoppable Force vs the Immovable Object.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

So you basically want to compare the only good period of Alex's career against Ben's lean years.

That's bullshit, son.

At the very least you need to compare Alex's good seasons against Ben's entire career.

But even that is questionable.

Waaaaaaa Alex played on bad teams. Waaaaaaaa.

That still doesn't excuse ZERO wins in that situation.

I guess Ben needs a elite D to win. Last 3 years Steelers D not the same and he's 1-9 when other teams score 24.

[jd1020]

I guess Ben needs a elite D to win. Last 3 years Steelers D not the same and he's 1-9 when other teams score 24.

Take away the 2 SB rings and he's Alex Smith LOLOLO!L!LOL!OL!

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

All right, then. Let's adjust for chances.

In 22 chances, at his current rate, Alex Smith would have 4.88 wins. Round it up to 5, and that's still 2 games worse than Romo.

He'd have 3.11 in 14 chances, nearly 3 games worse than Flacco and nearly 2 games worse than Matt Schaub.

He'd have 3.33 wins in 15 chances, nearly 2 games worse than Ryan.

Rivers is the only one he beats when adjusting for opportunities.

All those QB are making 100m they better damn well be better then a guy making 7.5m.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Take away the 2 SB rings and he's Alex Smith LOLOLO!L!LOL!OL!

Well his first ring you can thank the Steelers D for it.

[Hammock Parties]

I guess Ben needs a elite D to win. Last 3 years Steelers D not the same and he's 1-9 when other teams score 24.

Dude, listen to yourself.

Do you really think Alex Smith is comparable to Ben Roethlisberger?

Like, do you even think he's even close?

Come on man.

[SAUTO]

Don't waste your time with that guy.

jd took care of him earlier.

he googled something and acted like he knew the whole situation.

I remembered what had happened

[chiefzilla1501]

If Alex Smith is truly on the upswing, the Redskins are in for rape.

There should be 0 reason he doesn't ball the **** out Sunday.

Made a comment on another thread. The entire coaching staff needs to continue to push Smith to play the same aggressive kind of football. I don't care if we're leading big, tied, or losing by 14. I don't care if he throws 2 early picks. Enough with the bullshit "taking care of the football" bullshit. In some ways, I'm thankful the defense has struggled.

[duncan_idaho]

All those QB are making 100m they better damn well be better then a guy making 7.5m.

Yeah, it would suck to have a QB worth signing to a huge, long-term deal.

Someone who is actually a top 10-12 starter in the NFL. Just horrible.

[SAUTO]

FYP

this is one of those posts

[Deberg_1990]

So you agree that he was almost good enough.

No, i said he was good enough yesterday to win most games. If the defense played like it did the first half of the season. I fully admit hes not elite like Manning, Brady or Brees. But those guys are few and far between.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Dude, listen to yourself.

Do you really think Alex Smith is comparable to Ben Roethlisberger?

Like, do you even think he's even close?

Come on man.

Just using stat against him like you do with Smith.

[jd1020]

Well his first ring you can thank the Steelers D for it.

Who does Alex have to thank for his first ring? Oh wait...

I bet Roethlisberger could do better than 1-13 on 3rd down when handed the keys to a SB appearance.

[Hammock Parties]

Just using stat against him like you do with Smith.

It's silly, though. He's going to the HOF.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Yeah, it would suck to have a QB worth signing to a huge, long-term deal.

Someone who is actually a top 10-12 starter in the NFL. Just horrible.

Have you watched Flacco this year?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Who does Alex have to thank for his first ring? Oh wait...

I bet Roethlisberger could do better than 1-13 on 3rd down when handed the keys to a SB appearance.

I know right Ben first SB ring he was

9-21 123 yards 0TD and 2 INT

[jd1020]

I know right Ben first SB ring he was

9-21 123 yards 0TD and 2 INT

It's almost like it was his 2nd season and all.

But it's not like he completed 62% of his passes on a 8.6 YPA with 7 TDs for that entire post season or anything like that.

[Deberg_1990]

Realistically, how many NFL QBs are going to win a shootout game against Manning?

That list is pretty short......


Some of You guys act like elite QBs grow on trees.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

It's almost like it was his 2nd season and all.

Like i said he can thank his D for that ring.

[Brock]

No, i said he was good enough yesterday to win most games. If the defense played like it did the first half of the season. I fully admit hes not elite like Manning, Brady or Brees. But those guys are few and far between.

Oh. Good enough to win MOST games. Well, I'm talking about the actual game he played in, so that may be the reason for your confusion.

[jd1020]

Realistically, how many NFL QBs are going to win a shootout game against Manning?

That list is pretty short......


Some of You guys act like elite QBs grow on trees.

We should just forfeit til Manning retires.

Then Alex Smith can blossom.

[Brock]

Like i said he can thank his D for that ring.

So what? He outdueled Kurt Warner for the second one.

[duncan_idaho]

Realistically, how many NFL QBs are going to win a shootout game against Manning?

That list is pretty short......


Some of You guys act like elite QBs grow on trees.

That's not the problem.

The problem is Alex Smith's inability to win a shootout against practically anybody.

[duncan_idaho]

We should just forfeit til Manning retires.

Then Alex Smith can blossom.

No, no.

Then our shithead UDFA QB will take us to the promised land!

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

So what? He outdueled Kurt Warner for the second one.

Last 3 years when his D is getting older. He's 1-9 when teams score 24. He needs a elite D right? That's what you all say about Alex.

[Deberg_1990]

The problem is Alex Smith's inability to win a shootout against practically anybody.

And? So what? Is every NFL game a shoot out? Does it have to be?

[Sandy Vagina]

Last 3 years when his D is getting older. He's 1-9 when teams score 24. He needs a elite D right? That's what you all say about Alex.

You will be happier just taking a step back, and doing something better with your night. This place is on full potato... **** this.

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[Sorter]

So what? He outdueled Kurt Warner for the second one.

Warner is a one ring bum and a 2X SB choker.


:)

[duncan_idaho]

And? So what? Is every NFL game a shoot out? Does it have to be?

Pretty hard to host home playoff games if you can't. Pretty hard to win a playoff game if you can't. Pretty hard to make a Super Bowl run if you can't.

At some point, championship teams need to be able to score points in bunches, against good defenses and elite teams.

[SAUTO]

You will be happier just taking a step back, and doing something better with your night. This place is on full potato... **** this.

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peace.

and btw I don't get "potato"

[O.city]

That's not the problem.

The problem is Alex Smith's inability to win a shootout against practically anybody.

If after the last 2 weeks you're still on smiths case like this, you've had preconceived notion that no matter what he does, it isn't good enough.

[Hammock Parties]

Pretty hard to host home playoff games if you can't. Pretty hard to win a playoff game if you can't. Pretty hard to make a Super Bowl run if you can't.

At some point, championship teams need to be able to score points in bunches, against good defenses and elite teams.

That's how Flacco got there.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

That's how Flacco got there.

And a little luck from Denver DB

[Hammock Parties]

And a little luck from Denver DB

He also put up 34 points in the Super Bowl, 28 in the AFCCG.

[duncan_idaho]

If after the last 2 weeks you're still on smiths case like this, you've had preconceived notion that no matter what he does, it isn't good enough.

Yesterday, Alex Smith led an offense that engineered a grand total of 14 points on its own. He threw a crucial, bad interception, and he failed at the end of the game (on a drive in which his "awful" receivers bailed him out at least 3x with extra-effort catches).

I'm not going to heap praise on him for that. His offense was subpar against a defense that hasn't been that good and was again down several key defenders.

I wish he had played as well in every game as he did against San Diego. Wish we were seeing that consistency. We're not.

Which tracks with what the career stats and analysis of them tells us about Alex Smith as an NFL QB.

[Brock]

And a little luck from Denver DB

Baaaahahaha. Excuses.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

He also put up 34 points in the Super Bowl, 28 in the AFCCG.

Well in the AFCCG 7 points - off a short field after Turnover does that count?

Superbowl 7 points- from Kickoff return (So Flacco gets 7 and not Alex in your eyes)

[TheUte]

Yesterday, Alex Smith led an offense that engineered a grand total of 14 points on its own. He threw a crucial, bad interception, and he failed at the end of the game (on a drive in which his "awful" receivers bailed him out at least 3x with extra-effort catches).

I'm not going to heap praise on him for that. His offense was subpar against a defense that hasn't been that good and was again down several key defenders.

I wish he had played as well in every game as he did against San Diego. Wish we were seeing that consistency. We're not.

Which tracks with what the career stats and analysis of them tells us about Alex Smith as an NFL QB.

How do you figure 14 points?

[tk13]

I don't know if he can do it consistently... but the funny thing is Alex Smith's playoff win was a shootout against Drew Brees the year he set the passing record, and his offense scored 35 a game.

[Hammock Parties]

How do you figure 14 points?

Defense gave us a 22-yard field on the other TD.

[O.city]

Yesterday, Alex Smith led an offense that engineered a grand total of 14 points on its own. He threw a crucial, bad interception, and he failed at the end of the game (on a drive in which his "awful" receivers bailed him out at least 3x with extra-effort catches).

I'm not going to heap praise on him for that. His offense was subpar against a defense that hasn't been that good and was again down several key defenders.

I wish he had played as well in every game as he did against San Diego. Wish we were seeing that consistency. We're not.

Which tracks with what the career stats and analysis of them tells us about Alex Smith as an NFL QB.

A crucial int in the first 5 minutes of the game? Nah. It sucked, but it happens.

The guy threw the ball downfield yesterday, was accurate and made throws into tight windows. 2 for 4 int he redone was killer, but you absolutely can't put yesterday's offensive struggles on Alex smith.

Again, I realize you don't like the guy and likely never will, but he was absolutely good enough yesterday to win. He was every bit as good yesterday as he was agains San Diego. Those tough bail out catches were throws into tight windows were a wr makes a good play. Alex does it, great play by the wr. Manning does it, great throw in a tight window.

[Saccopoo]

Yesterday, Alex Smith led an offense that engineered a grand total of 14 points on its own. He threw a crucial, bad interception, and he failed at the end of the game (on a drive in which his "awful" receivers bailed him out at least 3x with extra-effort catches).

I'm not going to heap praise on him for that. His offense was subpar against a defense that hasn't been that good and was again down several key defenders.

I wish he had played as well in every game as he did against San Diego. Wish we were seeing that consistency. We're not.

Which tracks with what the career stats and analysis of them tells us about Alex Smith as an NFL QB.

Jesus...you are worse than Wendler with this bullshit. And it is bullshit.

If you are so fucking against Smith as our QB, tell me right now who we should have who is better. Right now.

Tell me who we are going to draft or pick up in free agency for the 2014 season who is better. Do it. Do it now.

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[Deberg_1990]

Yesterday, Alex Smith led an offense that engineered a grand total of 21 points on its own.

FYP..but whatever. I get your point.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Defense gave us a 22-yard field on the other TD.

So Flacco on a short field is cool and not Smith? What a clown

[chiefzilla1501]

Yesterday, Alex Smith led an offense that engineered a grand total of 14 points on its own. He threw a crucial, bad interception, and he failed at the end of the game (on a drive in which his "awful" receivers bailed him out at least 3x with extra-effort catches).

I'm not going to heap praise on him for that. His offense was subpar against a defense that hasn't been that good and was again down several key defenders.

I wish he had played as well in every game as he did against San Diego. Wish we were seeing that consistency. We're not.

Which tracks with what the career stats and analysis of them tells us about Alex Smith as an NFL QB.

Extra effort catches? They were catches on decent throws. Smith bailed his receivers out -- they dropped too many passes in the final 2 drives, and yet we managed to keep getting first downs. Your take is completely unreasonable.

Also, the offense scored 21 points. YOu can't just erase points because it was a shorter field.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Extra effort catches? They were catches on decent throws. Smith bailed his receivers out -- they dropped too many passes in the final 2 drives, and yet we managed to keep getting first downs. Your take is completely unreasonable.

Also, the offense scored 21 points. YOu can't just erase points because it was a shorter field.

Yup but some people will never get this. You can when it comes to Alex Smith not anyone else.

[TheUte]

Defense gave us a 22-yard field on the other TD.

I'm sorry I just don't get you guys.

AS should and I think can play better, but he is not the problem with this team right now.

Not even close.

[Hammock Parties]

No one is erasing TD. But Alex doesn't get credit for a TD on a 20-yard drive. The defense gifted the offense that field position.

[SAUTO]

Extra effort catches? They were catches on decent throws. Smith bailed his receivers out -- they dropped too many passes in the final 2 drives, and yet we managed to keep getting first downs. Your take is completely unreasonable.

Also, the offense scored 21 points. YOu can't just erase points because it was a shorter field.

im pretty sure most drops happened before the last two drives...

[Deberg_1990]

No one is erasing TD. But Alex doesn't get credit for a TD on a 20-yard drive. The defense gifted the offense that field position.

:facepalm:

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

im pretty sure most drops happened before the last two drives...

Avery dropped 2 passes on the Charles TD drive.

[duncan_idaho]

Jesus...you are worse than Wendler with this bullshit. And it is bullshit.

If you are so ****ing against Smith as our QB, tell me right now who we should have who is better. Right now.

Tell me who we are going to draft or pick up in free agency for the 2014 season who is better. Do it. Do it now.

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We've all been there, done that. But I'll go there again. Give me a Jason Campbell type plus whatever player the Chiefs could have taken in the 2nd round this year, plus whatever player they could draft in the 2nd round next year (or whatever player they could move up for in round 1/etc).

Give me Jay Cutler in FA if the Bears cut him loose.

But I know what's going to happen. We can already see it happening. The Chiefs are going to spend big (Money/Picks) to improve the OL, WR and TE spots.

And then a lot of Chiefs fans are going to be surprised again when it still isn't enough for Alex Smith to get it done.

[SAUTO]

Avery dropped 2 passes on the Charles TD drive.

and still yet most of the drops happened prior to those drives.


I would be more worried about the passes dropped on drives we DONT score on. they matter more.

I would guarantee most sane people would agree that the Jenkins/fasano drop drive was a worse time for them to happen.

they actually killed the drive.

[Deberg_1990]

Heh, Jason Campbell and jay Cutler. Clearly elite QBs.

[TheUte]

No one is erasing TD. But Alex doesn't get credit for a TD on a 20-yard drive. The defense gifted the offense that field position.

No you are incorrect, Dude.

He absolutely gets credit, just maybe not in your little world of make believe.

[chiefzilla1501]

im pretty sure most drops happened before the last two drives...

Avery dropped two in the final two drives. One forced a 3rd and 14 bailed out an excellent throw and catch to Jenkins. The other was on the goal line where Avery dropped another pass and was bailed out by McCluster reaching for 5 yards and getting a facemask penalty.

[SAUTO]

No you are incorrect, Dude.

He absolutely gets credit, just maybe not in your little world of make believe.

the offense still has to get in the endzone. gotta get some credit for that

[chiefzilla1501]

and still yet most of the drops happened prior to those drives.


I would be more worried about the passes dropped on drives we DONT score on. they matter more.

I would guarantee most sane people would agree that the Jenkins/fasano drop drive was a worse time for them to happen.

they actually killed the drive.

I am just talking about duncan's claim that receivers were bailing Smith out. That is a pretty ridiculous claim.

[SAUTO]

Avery dropped two in the final two drives. One forced a 3rd and 14 bailed out an excellent throw and catch to Jenkins. The other was on the goal line where Avery dropped another pass and was bailed out by McCluster reaching for 5 yards and getting a facemask penalty.

I didn't dispute that. and it still doesn't make me wrong.

more, and more impactful drops happened prior to those drives

[duncan_idaho]

Extra effort catches? They were catches on decent throws. Smith bailed his receivers out -- they dropped too many passes in the final 2 drives, and yet we managed to keep getting first downs. Your take is completely unreasonable.

Also, the offense scored 21 points. YOu can't just erase points because it was a shorter field.

I'm not erasing points. I just look at a touchdown scored when starting from the opponents' 20 after a turnover a little differently than a touchdown scored when starting from your own 20.

Glad they converted it into 7.

I'm talking about McCluster making a diving catch, Bowe a nice leaping catch, etc. Think Jenkins also had a pretty tough catch on that drive, in addition to the one off of his shoelaces on third down.

[O.city]

We've all been there, done that. But I'll go there again. Give me a Jason Campbell type plus whatever player the Chiefs could have taken in the 2nd round this year, plus whatever player they could draft in the 2nd round next year (or whatever player they could move up for in round 1/etc).

Give me Jay Cutler in FA if the Bears cut him loose.

But I know what's going to happen. We can already see it happening. The Chiefs are going to spend big (Money/Picks) to improve the OL, WR and TE spots.

And then a lot of Chiefs fans are going to be surprised again when it still isn't enough for Alex Smith to get it done.

Sorry, but if the last 2 games are any indicator of future play that's what they absolutely should do.

[TheUte]

the offense still has to get in the endzone. gotta get some credit for that

Nah, scoring is easy. Everyone knows that.

[SAUTO]

I am just talking about duncan's claim that receivers were bailing Smith out. That is a pretty ridiculous claim.

would say that there were maybe two times that happened, BUT that happens with every qb.


EDIT: I was wrong, Duncan listed 4 balls that weren't exactly accurate. he's right

[O.city]

All season people wanted Alex to give wrs chances down the field to make plays. Now what?

[Hammock Parties]

All season people wanted Alex to give wrs chances down the field to make plays. Now what?

It'd be nice if he followed those plays with TDs.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Heh, Jason Campbell and jay Cutler. Clearly elite QBs.

Yes let's rush to give Cutler 100m some fans are crazy.

[duncan_idaho]

I'm sorry I just don't get you guys.

AS should and I think can play better, but he is not the problem with this team right now.

Not even close.

I don't think Alex Smith is the only problem with this team.

But he's part of the problem on offense.

Mediocre offensive line (though it is playing better now that our "Safe" No. 1 overall pick has been replaced in the starting lineup)

Mediocre receiving group, at best.

Mediocre QB.

All adds up to a shit sandwich. Thank Almighty Roger for Jamaal Charles.

[SAUTO]

All season people wanted Alex to give wrs chances down the field to make plays. Now what?

I, for one, am giving him props for that.


smith didn't have 350 yards yesterday through no fault of his own.

and im even taking into account the drives where multiple drops occurred that the yardage would have been impossible to have happened.

Jenkins/fasano drop drive. both of them catch those and they are saving someone's life in the parking lot.

and I know play wasn't going towards lot a at that point

[duncan_idaho]

Heh, Jason Campbell and jay Cutler. Clearly elite QBs.

Not elite, but Jason Campbell has played at the level we're getting out of Alex Smith and would have been free in terms of draft pick cost AND cost much less in salary (he's currently on a two-year, $3.75 million deal).

I wouldn't give Cutler $100 million, but $75 million/7 or something like that? Sure.

Resigning Alex Smith is going to take you at least into that territory in AAV. They're the same age, Cutler is a better QB, and Cutler's skill set is going to age better than Alex Smith's (since Cutler doesn't rely on his legs at all).

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't think Alex Smith is the only problem with this team.

But he's part of the problem on offense.

Mediocre offensive line (though it is playing better now that our "Safe" No. 1 overall pick has been replaced in the starting lineup)

Mediocre receiving group, at best.

Mediocre QB.

All adds up to a shit sandwich. Thank Almighty Roger for Jamaal Charles.

Alex Smith's play the last two weeks is perfectly acceptable by playoff standards. He wasn't elite and he never will be. I don't think it's fair to say he was mediocre the last 2 weeks. He's had to meet a really high bar because things were unreasonably imperfect around him.

[GOB]

We've all been there, done that.

Like the Geno Smith campaign? :)

I don't know about Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell. See that as a downgrade.

Basically, to get the QB people want on this board, we are going to have to tank for a couple years and see if can land the next Andrew Luck.

I, for one, am not willing to do that. I think we're close and have a lot of pieces and can hope to get better not just by trades but through natural growth. Reid's in-game management is suspect but I think hes really great at player development.

[TheUte]

Not elite, but Jason Campbell has played at the level we're getting out of Alex Smith and would have been free in terms of draft pick cost AND cost much less in salary (he's currently on a two-year, $3.75 million deal).

I wouldn't give Cutler $100 million, but $75 million/7 or something like that? Sure.

Resigning Alex Smith is going to take you at least into that territory in AAV. They're the same age, Cutler is a better QB, and Cutler's skill set is going to age better than Alex Smith's (since Cutler doesn't rely on his legs at all).

Sorry, I can't get with that. JC has proven he capable of being ok when everything is prefect, but with this O-line he would have played 1 or 2 games tops. He doesn't rely on his legs because he doesn't have them.
There are QB's better AS, sure but I don't see any as real options for KC right now.

[Sorter]

Sorry, I can't get with that. JC has proven he capable of being ok when everything is prefect, but with this O-line he would have played 1 or 2 games tops. He doesn't rely on his legs because he doesn't have them.
There are QB's better AS, sure but I don't see any as real options for KC right now.

Jay is surprisingly mobile/athletic.

[duncan_idaho]

Like the Geno Smith campaign? :)

I don't know about Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell. See that as a downgrade.

Basically, to get the QB people want on this board, we are going to have to tank for a couple years and see if can land the next Andrew Luck.

I, for one, am not willing to do that. I think we're close and have a lot of pieces and can hope to get better not just by trades but through natural growth. Reid's in-game management is suspect but I think hes really great at player development.

I don't know how a noob who joined in September knows anything about the Great Geno Debate of 2013... but I was in the camp that thought he needed to sit for a year or two. Physical tools are all there. Work to do.

Campbell=Alex Smith over the course of their careers and this season as well (both in fresh offenses that are not very good).

Cutler has consistently been a top 15 QB in this league basically from his first season as an NFL starter on. He's an upgrade. Not a big one, but a decent one.

[TheUte]

Jay is surprisingly mobile/athletic.

Do you believe he would be an upgrade?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Jay is surprisingly mobile/athletic.

You don't give 100m to QB that seems to be hurt all the time. Would you give Jay 100m? Cause that's what he's gonna get on the open market.

[ChiefsCountry]

Cutler hurt all the time? WTF

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Cutler hurt all the time? WTF

2011- Missed 6 games
2012- Missed 2 games
2013- Missed 5 so far


What do you call that?

[Sorter]

Do you believe he would be an upgrade?


I don't know at this point. I'd probably watch all of Jay's snaps from Denver + this year and compare with Alex the past 3, if I'm going to try and make the closest comparison possible.

You don't give 100m to QB that seems to be hurt all the time. Would you give Jay 100m? Cause that's what he's gonna get on the open market.

I'm not giving Jay 100M. What's more important IMO, is how that money is dispersed over the years of his contract.

[duncan_idaho]

You don't give 100m to QB that seems to be hurt all the time. Would you give Jay 100m? Cause that's what he's gonna get o open market.

I wouldn't give him $100 million, no.

But if I can get Cutler at $10-12 million/year instead of Alex Smith at $9-10 million/year? Sign me up.

[Discuss Thrower]

Sorry, but if the last 2 games are any indicator of future play that's what they absolutely should do.

Because free agent offensive linemen and rookie receivers win Superbowls, let alone playoff games.

[Deberg_1990]

I wouldn't give him $100 million, no.

But if I can get Cutler at $10-12 million/year instead of Alex Smith at $9-10 million/year? Sign me up.

Cutler has a stronger arm obviously, but overall, he's not winning your team any more games than Alex Smith does. Plus, he's injury prone.

[Pablo]

Cutler has a stronger arm obviously, but overall, he's not winning your team any more games than Alex Smith does. Plus, he's injury prone.Has Smith ever actually finished a full season?

Just curious because it seems to me Alex is injury prone in his own right.

[mschiefs1984]

Has Smith ever actually finished a full season?

Just curious because it seems to me Alex is injury prone in his own right.

yes 2011

[Pablo]

yes 2011So, one for eight.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Has Smith ever actually finished a full season?

Just curious because it seems to me Alex is injury prone in his own right.

LMAO

[mschiefs1984]

So, one for eight.

Yep going for 2/9 this year so far so good

[ChiefsCountry]

Jay Cutler has played in more games than Alex Smith has. Yet he is the injury prone one?

[Deberg_1990]

So, one for eight.

Like I said before, he's not really an upgrade over Smith. Go look at his stats and win totals. Unless wins don't count for a QB? Or is that only for Smith?

[Ragged Robin]

People are still complaining about Smith after yesterday? Jesus. It's become quite apparent that we have MUCH bigger holes to fill than QB. Cutler has a bad case of being Romo-esque. We need a big time receiver on the outside with reliable hands, a playmaker at FS, some pass rushing specialists, a veteran RG, etc etc.

[Pablo]

Like I said before, he's not really an upgrade over Smith. Go look at his stats and win totals. Unless wins don't count for a QB? Or is that only for Smith?I don't care to, really.

The Chiefs will extend Smith because it's a classic Chiefs move. I assure you Clark and the vast majority of morons in the stands are ecstatic with going .500 and partying in the parking lot.

Just trying to figure out how an Alex Smith backer gets off calling anybody injury prone.

[mschiefs1984]

Jay Cutler has played in more games than Alex Smith has. Yet he is the injury prone one?

Well Cutler is. You can say the same thing about Smith though. That's one thing I will agree with about Alex he has been injury prone as well.

[Pablo]

Yep going for 2/9 this year so far so good2 for 9 is a lot better than 2-30-1.

I'll take it.