Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[ChiefsCountry]

5 of the 7 years in the league, Cutler has played in 15 or more games in a season. That's not an injury prone quarterback.

[mschiefs1984]

2 for 9 is a lot better than 2-30-1.

I'll take it.

Ummmm Do you even know what I was talking about in that post. It had nothing to do with any win loss record

[duncan_idaho]

Like I said before, he's not really an upgrade over Smith. Go look at his stats and win totals. Unless wins don't count for a QB? Or is that only for Smith?

It's not a big upgrade, but it is a small upgrade and one that I'd gladly make if the difference in AAV is $2 million or so.

Especially if you want to throw the ball 30+ times a game.

[Pablo]

Ummmm Do you even know what I was talking about in that post. It had nothing to do with any win loss recordLMAO

Are you from Mississippi?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

5 of the 7 years in the league, Cutler has played in 15 or more games in a season. That's not an injury prone quarterback.

2011- Missed 6 games
2012- Missed 2 games
2013- Missed 5 so far


4 of 7.

[Deberg_1990]

I don't care to, really.

The Chiefs will extend Smith because it's a classic Chiefs move. I assure you Clark and the vast majority of morons in the stands are ecstatic with going .500 and partying in the parking lot.

Just trying to figure out how an Alex Smith backer gets off calling anybody injury prone.

I'm just saying that Cutler has a nice arm yes. Talented yes......but overall his career has been pretty meh.......overall, he's not an upgrade over Smith.

[ChiefsCountry]

2011- Missed 6 games
2012- Missed 2 games
2013- Missed 5 so far


4 of 7.

2012 he started and played in 15 games.

2011 and this year, only years he has missed multiple games.

[Pablo]

I'm just saying that Cutler has a nice arm yes. Talented yes......but overall his career has been pretty meh.......overall, he's not an upgrade over Smith.Well, he at least has the potential to make any throw he likes which is definitely an upgrade over Alex. I know some people don't value a QB that can make all of the throws because it isn't important or something.

And if he comes at a reasonable enough price he's far and away and better selection moving forward for the Chiefs.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm just saying that Cutler has a nice arm yes. Talented yes......but overall his career has been pretty meh.......overall, he's not an upgrade over Smith.

He led a #1 offense in Denver.

He's pretty much the exact opposite of Alex Smith, and if you gave him a top defense he'd win a shit ton of games, too.

Cutler lifetime against 24+: 12-26

[mschiefs1984]

People are still complaining about Smith after yesterday? Jesus. It's become quite apparent that we have MUCH bigger holes to fill than QB. Cutler has a bad case of being Romo-esque. We need a big time receiver on the outside with reliable hands, a playmaker at FS, some pass rushing specialists, a veteran RG, etc etc.

YEP

Here's the irony of this whole topic. When the Chiefs were winning the Alex haters whined about down field throws ECT ECT

Smith has started doing more and more what they wanted in while they were winning has put up points and the d blows it and they still blame Alex. :facepalm:

[Hammock Parties]

YEP

Here's the irony of this whole topic. When the Chiefs were winning the Alex haters whined about down field throws ECT ECT

Smith has started doing more and more what they wanted in while they were winning has put up points and the d blows it and they still blame Alex. :facepalm:

21 whole points.

Thanks, Alice.

[Pablo]

Alex has played pretty damn well the last couple of games, save a few bad mistakes. That just isn't enough evidence to make me suddenly support the guy and think he's the answer.

I suppose if two game sample sizes are good enough for everybody, then Marcus Cooper is obviously our long term answer at CB.

[chiefzilla1501]

He led a #1 offense in Denver.

He's pretty much the exact opposite of Alex Smith, and if you gave him a top defense he'd win a shit ton of games, too.

Cutler lifetime against 24+: 12-26

He's a gunslinger, and is going to gamble way more than you like. He's going to have a lot of what the fuck moments. And I'm just not a big fan of him as a leader. He's completely emotionless out there. He's bar none a more talented QB out there. I think it's a reach that people are trying to act like he's going to play any better than Smith did the last 2 games.

Don't trade in a retread for a retread. Keep Smith, draft a QB early, and get the next guy ready to take over when Smith is undoubtedly going to get hurt again.

[Sorter]

He's a gunslinger, and is going to gamble way more than you like. He's going to have a lot of what the fuck moments. And I'm just not a big fan of him as a leader. He's completely emotionless out there. He's bar none a more talented QB out there. I think it's a reach that people are trying to act like he's going to play any better than Smith did the last 2 games.

Don't trade in a retread for a retread. Keep Smith, draft a QB early, and get the next guy ready to take over when Smith is undoubtedly going to get hurt again.

I really think that's impossible to know without being there every day.

[Pablo]

He's a gunslinger, and is going to gamble way more than you like. He's going to have a lot of what the fuck moments. And I'm just not a big fan of him as a leader. He's completely emotionless out there. He's bar none a more talented QB out there. I think it's a reach that people are trying to act like he's going to play any better than Smith did the last 2 games.

Don't trade in a retread for a retread. Keep Smith, draft a QB early, and get the next guy ready to take over when Smith is undoubtedly going to get hurt again.LOLOLOLOLOL.

Do you realize what franchise we're talking about?

[GordonGekko]

He's a gunslinger, and is going to gamble way more than you like. He's going to have a lot of what the **** moments. And I'm just not a big fan of him as a leader. He's completely emotionless out there. He's bar none a more talented QB out there. I think it's a reach that people are trying to act like he's going to play any better than Smith did the last 2 games.

Don't trade in a retread for a retread. Keep Smith, draft a QB early, and get the next guy ready to take over when Smith is undoubtedly going to get hurt again.

I'm A ok with this part...

Problem is, that with Smith here, the Chiefs are not going to draft an early round QB. This I believe, is the main reason why most of us do not want AS around. That and well, he is not a winner to begin with.

[duncan_idaho]

He's a gunslinger, and is going to gamble way more than you like. He's going to have a lot of what the **** moments. And I'm just not a big fan of him as a leader. He's completely emotionless out there. He's bar none a more talented QB out there. I think it's a reach that people are trying to act like he's going to play any better than Smith did the last 2 games.

Don't trade in a retread for a retread. Keep Smith, draft a QB early, and get the next guy ready to take over when Smith is undoubtedly going to get hurt again.

Cutler was entirely hypothetical in response to Sacc's question about what the Chiefs could do other than stand by their man.

He's an OK upgrade from Smith (12-15 QB in the league rather than 16-20ish) but not a major one. If you could do it for $2 million more a year or so, it would be worth it.

Of course, since Cutler is a 2014 FA and Smith is under contract for another year, it's all just discussion.

[chiefzilla1501]

I really think that's impossible to know without being there every day.

This one I actually know. I know someone who played on the line with him. Said he gets a bad rep for being a dick but he didn't agree with that (don't know if he was just being political here). He's actually really quiet. He's actually kind of quiet and pretty emotionless.

But there's some red flags based on the stories and I doubt the guy I know would actually call him out on it. He hasn't done a good job hiding his temper against teammates and coaches. Including a public feud with Tice. And there's plenty of smoke including public comments from teammates that lead you to believe he's not really that well liked in the locker room.

[Sorter]

This one I actually know. I know someone who played on the line with him. Said he gets a bad rep for being a dick but he didn't agree with that (don't know if he was just being political here). He's actually really quiet. He's actually kind of quiet and pretty emotionless.

But there's some red flags based on the stories and I doubt the guy I know would actually call him out on it. He hasn't done a good job hiding his temper against teammates and coaches. Including a public feud with Tice. And there's plenty of smoke including public comments from teammates that lead you to believe he's not really that well liked in the locker room.

I feel exactly the same with what I bolded. I also agree with the "quiet" comments but not every leader is exceptionally vocal nor needs to be. Different strokes for different folks.


Additionally, I wouldn't hold the comments about Tice against him. I suspect that's just a bad personality mesh + Jay being bitter about Martz.

[Jakemall]

Yep going for 2/9 this year so far so good

His first year he finished, but he was given the job when the starter wasn't winning. He finished his 2nd year out.

so going for 3/9.

07 and 08 are lost to the same injury..it was pretty major.

09 he was coming back from injury and took his job back halfway into the season.

10 he had an injury and Troy Smith took the job for a couple of games until defenses figured him out and they went back to Alex.

11 the concussion injury would not have kept him out except for the rule change...otherwise he probably would have finished that year out...and maybe Kaep would be playing for KC and no one would have followed because we wouldn't know what Kaep could do.

But yes, he does seem to get injured often.

[Jakemall]

21 whole points.

Thanks, Alice.

He made the throws...

You should be complaining about TDs to the people dropping them.

[BossChief]

2012 he started and played in 15 games.

2011 and this year, only years he has missed multiple games.

We aren't talking about Tony Moeaki... :p

[Jakemall]

5 of the 7 years in the league, Cutler has played in 15 or more games in a season. That's not an injury prone quarterback.

Every time Alex was injured his coaches replaced him...he had to fight to get his job back.

[Hammock Parties]

He made the throws...

You should be complaining about TDs to the people dropping them.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and throws ducks, it's probably Alex Smith.

The dude is known for tapping out at 21-22 PPG his whole career. So, not surprised we only scored 21 against Denver. Or in any game.

[Tribal Warfare]

He made the throws...

You should be complaining about TDs to the people dropping them.

or the endzone INT and failing on the deciding series near the goalline at the end of the game.

[GloryDayz]

If the Chiefs D has come out from under the covers, they could learn a lot from this game.

[BossChief]

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and throws ducks, it's probably Alex Smith.

The dude is known for tapping out at 21-22 PPG his whole career. So, not surprised we only scored 21 against Denver. Or in any game.

At least 2 other scores were left on the field when Alex put up money throws and the receivers let us down.

We should have scored in the 40s against Denver and SD.

[O.city]

Cutler was entirely hypothetical in response to Sacc's question about what the Chiefs could do other than stand by their man.

He's an OK upgrade from Smith (12-15 QB in the league rather than 16-20ish) but not a major one. If you could do it for $2 million more a year or so, it would be worth it.

Of course, since Cutler is a 2014 FA and Smith is under contract for another year, it's all just discussion.

That's kind of splitting hairs though. I don't think the difference in a 12-15ish qb and a 16-20 ish qb is necessarily one that determines a sb etc.

No one is kidding themselves here in thinking Alex is ever going to be one to shoulder an elite offense by himself like a Manning or Brady will. I know that, you know that.

But (and this gets skewed because the same argument was made for Matt cassel, when it's just not the same in this instance) if you put elite or near elite players around smith, who's to say he isn't a top 12-15 ish qb? If you believe he can, that 2 million could make a difference in who you can bring in.

Obviously you'd love to have Aaron Rodgers who you can pay top dollar and take the hit of surrounding talent cause he's that good. But those guys aren't growing on trees (I know I know gotta try etc) and I don't know if you read the articles that the nflphilosophy guy wrote, but unless you have a guy who's gonna carry you're team, I dunno that I'd invest heavily in said qb.

Alex smith included for that matter.

[Hammock Parties]

At least 2 other scores were left on the field when Alex put up money throws and the receivers let us down.

We should have scored in the 40s against Denver and SD.

Peyton's receivers dropped passes too. You think drops don't happen to elite QBs?

Only on CP does Alex Smith get a pass because his receivers drop them.

[O.city]

Peyton's receivers dropped passes too. You think drops don't happen to elite QBs?

Only on CP does Alex Smith get a pass because his receivers drop them.

They did? Did smith go into a shell when our guys dropped balls? No, he kept throwing it. It was encouraging

[Hammock Parties]

The Broncos WRs have dropped 22 balls this year.

Chiefs WRs? 17.

Sheeeit.

[BossChief]

Peyton's receivers dropped passes too. You think drops don't happen to elite QBs?

Only on CP does Alex Smith get a pass because his receivers drop them.

Get a pass?

Dude, he threw for 293 yards and ran for another 46.

He could have had 450 yards of total offense if is receivers would have helped him out.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Avery is replaced by Hemmingway in the starting lineup going forward after the last couple games. I can't see how Alex can still have any trust in Avery.

[Hammock Parties]

Avery had 91 yards and a TD against the Chargers. I don't think he's in danger of being replaced anytime soon.

[BossChief]

The Broncos WRs have dropped 22 balls this year.

Chiefs WRs? 17.

Sheeeit.

Depends on where you look.

On 610 after the game, they were rattling off stats that we were 4th in the NFL in drops going into the game with 23 and that we were credited with 5 more drops in the Denver game.

[BossChief]

Avery had 91 yards and a TD against the Chargers. I don't think he's in danger of being replaced anytime soon.
They also referenced that Andy Reid wasnt happy about the drops after the game and how he said that he values a receivers ability to make the catch above all else.

I'm betting that Avery is on thin ice.

[Rausch]

Avery had 91 yards and a TD against the Chargers. I don't think he's in danger of being replaced anytime soon.

Should be.

Every QB needs at least one dependable target. We don't have one guy we can depend on with great hands...

[chiefzilla1501]

The Broncos WRs have dropped 22 balls this year.

Chiefs WRs? 17.

Sheeeit.

We aren't talking about the entire season. We all know Alex Smith has been shit most of the season. We're talking about a strong performance against Denver. AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped passes that I think were 20+ yards. Donnie Avery dropped a pass that I think was around 30 yards (second time he's done that in 3 weeks). One 3 and out was the result of 2 drops.

We're not talking about receivers dropping screen passes or muffed passes. We're talking about drops on perfectly thrown balls, and many of them for big yardage. Who would have guessed that one of our most reliable hands guy for intermediate throws would be McCluster.

[Rausch]

We aren't talking about the entire season. We all know Alex Smith has been shit most of the season. We're talking about a strong performance against Denver. AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped passes that I think were 20+ yards. Donnie Avery dropped a pass that I think was around 30 yards (second time he's done that in 3 weeks). One 3 and out was the result of 2 drops.

We're not talking about receivers dropping screen passes or muffed passes. We're talking about drops on perfectly thrown balls, and many of them for big yardage. Who would have guessed that one of our most reliable hands guy for intermediate throws would be McCluster.

Smith finally ups his game and the entire rest of the team $#its the bed...

[chiefzilla1501]

Smith finally ups his game and the entire rest of the team $#its the bed...

I'm not giving up hope. Cooper is a young guy and is going to grow with experience, as long as he doesn't lose his confidence. I am hoping that the loss takes pressure off us to win out at all costs, which hopefully gives us opportunities to rest our defense and Jamaal Charles.

If Smith continues to play at this rate, our defense is rested up, and we can continue to see improvements from Cooper and our young guys, maybe we can steal a game or two in the playoffs. And fully understand that while I'm pleased with Smith's growth, he has to close drives late in games too.

[ayleswbj]

Has Smith ever actually finished a full season?

Just curious because it seems to me Alex is injury prone in his own right.

Also in 2006, he is one of only 3 or 4 Qbs in history of NFL to not only start and play all 16 games, but actually play every single snap start to finish. His shoulder injury was a fluke hit by the Seattle nose tackle and then the moron Mike Nolan threw him under the bus when he wasnt healthy, ran him back out there and his shoulder was injured again. He is a tough QB and playin some pretty good ball right now.

[UK_Chief]

The Broncos WRs have dropped 22 balls this year.

Chiefs WRs? 17.

Sheeeit.

Percentage?

[ratchet]

Peyton's receivers dropped passes too. You think drops don't happen to elite QBs?

Only on CP does Alex Smith get a pass because his receivers drop them.

Everytime i see your posts, I get this image of a child. You're telling me peyton's receivers dropped deep passes that were crucial in the game? i only remember a couple of drops. there were 5 in 3rd quarter/beginning of 4th alone. our wrs dropped game changing deep passes that would've at least given us field goals.

Please. It sickens me when you talk like a child. All you're trying to do is save face from all the smith bashing you've done prior and that's why you say dumb stuff like that. You don't have to be a fan of him but don't say stupid stuff when smith has been the bright spot of our team recently. Child, please.

[ChiefsCountry]

Doing some digging into the drive charts, the drop passes by Avery occurred on a drive that the Chiefs scored on.

The only legit dropped pass gripes were the one drive when AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped balls.

[mschiefs1984]

Peyton's receivers dropped passes too. You think drops don't happen to elite QBs?

Only on CP does Alex Smith get a pass because his receivers drop them.

It's NOT giving Smith a pass to talk about the Wrs drops. It's just not ignoring them to hate Alex Smith like you do

[NinerDoug]

I'm not giving up hope. Cooper is a young guy and is going to grow with experience, as long as he doesn't lose his confidence. I am hoping that the loss takes pressure off us to win out at all costs, which hopefully gives us opportunities to rest our defense and Jamaal Charles.

If Smith continues to play at this rate, our defense is rested up, and we can continue to see improvements from Cooper and our young guys, maybe we can steal a game or two in the playoffs. And fully understand that while I'm pleased with Smith's growth, he has to close drives late in games too.

That has actually been one of his strengths in the past. But of course, it's not going to happen every time. Over all, he played a pretty damn good game I thought. And while every QB has to deal with drops, the number of drops he had to deal with on Sunday was just ridiculous.

[SAUTO]

Doing some digging into the drive charts, the drop passes by Avery occurred on a drive that the Chiefs scored on.

The only legit dropped pass gripes were the one drive when AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped balls.

you Q'd me, but it might have been in another thread

[Kaepernick]

Smith finally ups his game and the entire rest of the team $#its the bed...

Good summary.

[chiefzilla1501]

Doing some digging into the drive charts, the drop passes by Avery occurred on a drive that the Chiefs scored on.

The only legit dropped pass gripes were the one drive when AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped balls.

Avery dropped a pass that led to a long 3rd and 14, which was bailed out by a good pitch and catch by Smith to Jenkins. Avery dropped a pass on the 6 yard line which was bailed out by a good catch and run by McCluster (gained 5 yards and would have scored a TD if not for a facemasking penalty).

I don't remember where else there were drops. I could swear that Avery also dropped a back shoulder pass too.

[New World Order]

Also in 2006, he is one of only 3 or 4 Qbs in history of NFL to not only start and play all 16 games, but actually play every single snap start to finish. His shoulder injury was a fluke hit by the Seattle nose tackle and then the moron Mike Nolan threw him under the bus when he wasnt healthy, ran him back out there and his shoulder was injured again. He is a tough QB and playin some pretty good ball right now.



Wow, what an unbelievable accomplishment! They must have been behind quite a bit that year.

[Mav]

Wow, what an unbelievable accomplishment! They must have been behind quite a bit that year.

Yup. Sure were.

[The Iron Chief]

The dropped passes matter whether the Chiefs went on to score or not.
That argument is moot imo.
They are game changers energy builders momentum builders confidence creators.
Even watching on TV you could hear/sense the crowd throw up in their laps on a couple of the dropped balls that were key.
It seems apparent that Reid decided going into the Hard part of our schedule it was time to let the offense play and see what they were capable of.
By offense I of course mean Alex throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage.
I doubt Reid expected our Defense to fall off the charts this bad.
And if it did not we wouldn't of lost to the Bolts and could've split with the donks.
That said back to the dropped passes.
As many of you have said there is no one rock solid player who the Chiefs can be sure 9 out of 10 times will come down with the ball.
On just about every other team you can name the go to guy.
I hate to bring this up but Tony G was that guy for soooo many yrs.
3rd and 11 incoming play to Tony.
Last yr it seemed Bowe might be the guy ..the beginning of this yr it seemed Avery might be...sprinkle in the Beard...
But no nobody has become the go to guy that Alex/Reid need.
So yes all these drops matter whether we went on to score or not they've hurt the confidence they've hurt the way play calls might've gone.
I think Reid needs to see what Hemmingway can really do and I suspect hes going to do just that.. its 90% that we will be the 5th seed so its time to see whos going to step up...
..interviews take place on the field of battle.

I was 50/50 on Alex from signing right thru the bye week.
And like many no matter how odd it may be I feel Way better about the Alex I've seen thru the 3 game losing skid.

[Mav]

The dropped passes matter whether the Chiefs went on to score or not.
That argument is moot imo.
They are game changers energy builders momentum builders confidence creators.
Even watching on TV you could hear/sense the crowd throw up in their laps on a couple of the dropped balls that were key.
It seems apparent that Reid decided going into the Hard part of our schedule it was time to let the offense play and see what they were capable of.
By offense I of course mean Alex throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage.
I doubt Reid expected our Defense to fall off the charts this bad.
And if it did not we wouldn't of lost to the Bolts and could've split with the donks.
That said back to the dropped passes.
As many of you have said there is no one rock solid player who the Chiefs can be sure 9 out of 10 times will come down with the ball.
On just about every other team you can name the go to guy.
I hate to bring this up but Tony G was that guy for soooo many yrs.
3rd and 11 incoming play to Tony.
Last yr it seemed Bowe might be the guy ..the beginning of this yr it seemed Avery might be...sprinkle in the Beard...
But no nobody has become the go to guy that Alex/Reid need.
So yes all these drops matter whether we went on to score or not they've hurt the confidence they've hurt the way play calls might've gone.
I think Reid needs to see what Hemmingway can really do and I suspect hes going to do just that.. its 90% that we will be the 5th seed so its time to see whos going to step up...
..interviews take place on the field of battle.

I was 50/50 on Alex from signing right thru the bye week.
And like many no matter how odd it may be I feel Way better about the Alex I've seen thru the 3 game losing skid.

As Solid as your post is, every time I try to explain that the Chiefs have probably the weakest set of skill position players in the league, I get shouted down.

Its all Alex Smiths fault that we don't see the potential of these great play makers. A team so studly at the wide receiver positions that last years number three receiver for the Colts, wasn't kept, and instead replaced with another first round bust in Darius Heyward-Bey, and you know how impressive your wideouts are when Dexter McCluster, all 5'7 of him, is your slot receiver.

And not to mention the AMAZING set of tight ends.

Fasano, the journeyman, who is a fine second or third tight end. McGrath, who has seen his star fade a bit, Kelce who could of been good but looks to be a carbon copy of Tony Brokiaki.

The Chiefs in the worst way, need to upgrade. I think that Charles, Knile has real potential. But the wideouts have to be upgraded, and Alex Smiths Binky has always been the Tight end. They must address that as well. And they will.

[BossChief]

The weakest set of skill position players in the league?

Nah.

Bottom half of the league? Sure.

Just having Bowe and Charles puts them in the middle of the pack.

[Mr. Plow]

As Solid as your post is, every time I try to explain that the Chiefs have probably the weakest set of skill position players in the league, I get shouted down.

Because you are wrong. Like Boss said, Charles & Bowe puts us middle of the pack.

[Mav]

The weakest set of skill position players in the league?

Nah.

Bottom half of the league? Sure.

Just having Bowe and Charles puts them in the middle of the pack.

Nope, not talking about charles. Name the teams that are worse at just wr/te than the chiefs.

[BossChief]

Charles isn't a skill position player?

WHAT

THE

FUCK

???

[Mav]

Charles isn't a skill position player?

WHAT

THE

FUCK

???

I'm strictly talking about receivers and tight ends.

[Mav]

Everyone knows how great Charles is.

[jd1020]

Charles isn't a skill position player?

WHAT

THE

****

???

Not taking into account all the good players, Alex Smith has nothing to work with. /Smithfans

[Mav]

Not taking into account all the good players, Alex Smith has nothing to work with. /Smithfans

Awww. Like i said. Tell me the teams in the league that are worse than the chiefs at wr/te. Good luck!

[jd1020]

Awww. Like i said. Tell me the teams in the league that are worse than the chiefs at wr/te. Good luck!

Couldn't name a single WR on the Patriots and Gronkowski has only played in half the games.

Who the **** is Matt Ryan throwing to besides a not what he used to be Gonzalez?

Charles is Smiths #1 target. I'll take Charles over 5 starts from Gronkowski and a 37 yr old Gonzalez. Oh and Dwayne Bowe... he's not a scrub like some of you dumb fucking Smith ballwashers want to believe.

[mschiefs1984]

The Chiefs are pretty good at the top in weapons. But sadly after Bowe and Charles the drop off is pretty big. Hemingway has some promise to help that out if they give him more playing time. But outside Bowe and Charles I can't say I like any of the weapons. And Smith is a QB that needs a very good set of weapons to be good. If Hemingway can keep improving and they can get a good TE then I think the weapons around Smith will be pretty good.

[Mav]

Amendola, Edelman? I'd take Edelman as a slot over mccluster everyday oh the week.

[jd1020]

Amendola, Edelman? I'd take Edelman as a slot over mccluster everyday oh the week.

Ya, I'd definitely taking Amendola and Edelman over Charles and Bowe, but hey... at least one of them MIGHT be better than McCluster. Alex Smith needs more tools to work with!

The one constant in all of the 49ers years of shit talent, through all of their coaching changes, was Alex Smith. When the 49ers started playing better and were looked at as a legitimate anual SB contender, they canned his ass.

[mschiefs1984]

Amendola, Edelman? I'd take Edelman as a slot over mccluster everyday oh the week.

I think anyone would

[Ragged Robin]

Couldn't name a single WR on the Patriots and Gronkowski has only played in half the games.

Who the **** is Matt Ryan throwing to besides a not what he used to be Gonzalez?

Charles is Smiths #1 target. I'll take Charles over 5 starts from Gronkowski and a 37 yr old Gonzalez. Oh and Dwayne Bowe... he's not a scrub like some of you dumb ****ing Smith ballwashers want to believe.

Ryan has had two legitimate #1 receivers for the last few years. Take both them away and all of a sudden Ryan isn't doing too well now is he? What a shocker! I don't know if it's the contract or what but Bowe just simply isn't the same player out there as before. Before he would give as many great plays as boneheaded ones and now it's more boneheaded than anything else.

[burt]

You can ink me in as a fan of Smith......but I figured that was evident.....

In case I wasn't clear in SEPTEMBER!!!!

[LVNiner80]

Couldn't name a single WR on the Patriots and Gronkowski has only played in half the games.

Who the **** is Matt Ryan throwing to besides a not what he used to be Gonzalez?

Charles is Smiths #1 target. I'll take Charles over 5 starts from Gronkowski and a 37 yr old Gonzalez. Oh and Dwayne Bowe... he's not a scrub like some of you dumb ****ing Smith ballwashers want to believe.

Amendola, Edelman, Boykin?

Roddy White, Harry Douglas?

[Jakemall]

Awww. Like i said. Tell me the teams in the league that are worse than the chiefs at wr/te. Good luck!

They are correct. You must account for Charles. Since we are talking about the passing game he represents about 16% of the passing game. Which is more than it should be because of the lack of receiving talent outside of Bowe.

[BossChief]

Amendola, Edelman, Boykin?

Roddy White, Harry Douglas?

Roddy White has been hurt all year, but has tried to play through them.

Harry Douglas and 37 year old Gonzalez are all that's left in Atlanta.

Even with that, this year he has:

Averages 290 yards per game
Has a 90qb rating
Completing 66% of his throws
Has just under 3500 yards passing and 19tds with 4 games remaining.

HE IS ON PACE FOR 4,600 YARDS AND 26 TOUCHDOWNS.

Yeah, the guy is obviously trash.

CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT PREMIER TALENT AROUND HIM...

:facepalm:

[BossChief]

Awww. Like i said. Tell me the teams in the league that are worse than the chiefs at wr/te. Good luck!

That's NOT what you said.

You said "I keep telling people that KC has the worst skill position players in the league."

[Hammock Parties]

Averages 290 yards per game


Damn.

That's like a really good game for Alex.

And Matt Ryan averages that?

Damn.

[BossChief]

Damn.

That's like a really good game for Alex.

And Matt Ryan averages that?

Damn.

On pace for 4600 and 26tds

HE ISN'T A GUY THAT RAISES THE LEVEL OF PLAY OF HOSE AROUND HIM.

Just wait till next year when he gets back a fuckton of good players and adds a strong draft class to the mix.

Sam Baker
Sean Weatherspoon
Kroy Bierman
Roddy White
Julio Jones

With their record, they might draft someone like Clowney to add to that defense, too.

[GoChargers]

Alice slurpers love small sample sizes. Two good games against bad defenses (both losses) and they're thumping their chests.

Also love how the Alice slurpers pretend that Alice is the only QB in history whose WR's have ever dropped a pass.

[Mr. Plow]

Roddy White has been hurt all year, but has tried to play through them.

Harry Douglas and 37 year old Gonzalez are all that's left in Atlanta.

Even with that, this year he has:

Averages 290 yards per game
Has a 90qb rating
Completing 66% of his throws
Has just under 3500 yards passing and 19tds with 4 games remaining.

HE IS ON PACE FOR 4,600 YARDS AND 26 TOUCHDOWNS.

Yeah, the guy is obviously trash.

CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT PREMIER TALENT AROUND HIM...

:facepalm:


Clearly he MUST have an all pro line and several all pro WR to be any good. Poor Matt Ryan.

[NinerDoug]

Damn.

That's like a really good game for Alex.

And Matt Ryan averages that?

Damn.

Over the last three games, Alex has averaged about 272 I believe. Of course, you can't just wipe out earlier games in the season from the analysis.

Still, if the last three games evidence a shift in coaching / offensive philosophy, Alex just may have moved into the top 10. If it goes back to the conservative mode, well............

[BossChief]

Why then is Atlanta losing games, you might ask.

How about the defense allowing 28+ points per game (4th WORST) and 385 yards (7th worst) in the league?

Maybe because they have THE LEAGUES WORST THIRD DOWN DEFENSE?

Opponents convert 47% of their third downs on Atlanta.

[TheUte]

Clearly he MUST have an all pro line and several all pro WR to be any good. Poor Matt Ryan.

What's his team's record again?

[BossChief]

Atlantas defense is also 8th in penalties and is second to last in red zone defense.

To note: I love it how when Alex Smith was playing well below average football, but was winning games, the common response to his level of play was always 8-0 woohoo...but Matt Ryan gets dragged through the mud for win loss record even though he is on pace for a career year and the defense is one of the worst in all of football in nearly every relevant category.

[BossChief]

What's his team's record again?

59-31 since he became the teams starter.

23 of those wins coming on game winning drives.

[TheUte]

Atlantas defense is also 8th in penalties and is second to last in red zone defense.

To note: I love it how when Alex Smith was playing well below average football, but was winning games, the common response to his level of play was always 8-0 woohoo...but Matt Ryan gets dragged through the mud for win loss record even though he is on pace for a career year and the defense is one of the worst in all of football in nearly every relevant category.

That is kinda the point, QB's get far too much credit for wins and for too much blame for loses.

[tonyetony]

Roddy White has been hurt all year, but has tried to play through them.

Harry Douglas and 37 year old Gonzalez are all that's left in Atlanta.

Even with that, this year he has:

Averages 290 yards per game
Has a 90qb rating
Completing 66% of his throws
Has just under 3500 yards passing and 19tds with 4 games remaining.

HE IS ON PACE FOR 4,600 YARDS AND 26 TOUCHDOWNS.

Yeah, the guy is obviously trash.

CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT PREMIER TALENT AROUND HIM...

:facepalm:

Let's not forget that he's also on pace to throw 16 picks, that Atlanta is tied for 30th in rushing offense and they might win 5 games this year. Atlanta had 4 games this year where they couldn't put up more than 13 points. The Chiefs lowest point total has been 17.

[BossChief]

Let's not forget that he's also on pace to throw 16 picks, that Atlanta is tied for 30th in rushing offense and they might win 5 games this year. Atlanta had 4 games this year where they couldn't put up more than 13 points. The Chiefs lowest point total has been 17.

It's not like 16 picks is a crazy number, though.

Especially given that his passing game is LITERALLY the only thing that team has.

Their running game and defense are dumpster fires.

When your defense is constantly giving up 30+ points, OF COURSE you are going to throw some picks. You are throwing the ball a lot trying to keep up.

That's hard to do when the defense doesn't respect your running game or receivers.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1948593/Teamcatchrate.png

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/12/4/5170416/time-to-bench-avery-catching-fire-for-drops

[BossChief]

How is catch rate figured?

Overall completion percentage?

[Pablo]

Poor Geno has even worse WR's than Alex.

Just not fair for the guy.

[mschiefs1984]

Poor Geno has even worse WR's than Alex.

Just not fair for the guy.

Geno has done a great job hitting weapons. Those weapons just play for the other team o:-)

[tonyetony]

It's not like 16 picks is a crazy number, though.

Especially given that his passing game is LITERALLY the only thing that team has.

Their running game and defense are dumpster fires.

When your defense is constantly giving up 30+ points, OF COURSE you are going to throw some picks. You are throwing the ball a lot trying to keep up.

That's hard to do when the defense doesn't respect your running game or receivers.

The Chiefs Offense is top 10 in points scored per game. Atlanta not even top 20.

Smith is on pace to throw for 20 td's with 8 picks, I'll take that combined with our top 10 in rushing points per game.

[Sandy Vagina]

Amazing how many excuses are fair game for every OTHER team's QB but your very own. :harumph:

[mschiefs1984]

Amazing how many excuses are fair game for every OTHER team's QB but your very own. :harumph:

The same excuses they get mad about for people using with Alex :facepalm:

[BossChief]

Amazing how many excuses are fair game for every OTHER team's QB but your very own. :harumph:

Such as?

[Hammock Parties]

The Chiefs Offense is top 10 in points scored per game. Atlanta not even top 20.


Hahahaha.

We are 21st in offensive points per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/offensive-points-per-game

Atlanta is 18th.

Stop lying.

[Hammock Parties]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1948593/Teamcatchrate.png

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/12/4/5170416/time-to-bench-avery-catching-fire-for-drops

Notice how Detroit and Indy still produce on offense despite it.

Why not the Chiefs?

[mschiefs1984]

Notice how Detroit and Indy still produce on offense despite it.

Why not the Chiefs?

Detroit is easy his name is Calvin the Chiefs don't have anyone near that good

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Notice how Detroit and Indy still produce on offense despite it.

Why not the Chiefs?

LOL Have you watch Indy O without Wayne?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Detroit is easy his name is Calvin the Chiefs don't have anyone near that good

He's a dumbass. All you have to do is throw it up to Calvin.

[Sandy Vagina]

Such as?

you popped out three of them on the prior page... :rolleyes:

(hint: defense, run game, receivers)

If people attribute any of KC's quarterback struggles to these aspects... they are dismissed as excuses. Yet you and others have so easily used the very same to defend other quarterbacks.

So just be honest. If you actually LIKE a quarterback? excuses become legit reasons... if you do not like the quarterback? legit reasons transform into excuses.

You ready to own that, or will you side-step and misdirect in an effort to evade that horrible truth?

[Hammock Parties]

LOL Have you watch Indy O without Wayne?

Without Wayne the Colts are averaging 19.6 offensive points per game.

The Chiefs average 20.2 with everyone, including Alex.

What does that tell you?

[Hammock Parties]

Detroit is easy his name is Calvin the Chiefs don't have anyone near that good

I'm sure Calvin could get 1,000 yards with Alex.

[tonyetony]

Hahahaha.



We are 21st in offensive points per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/offensive-points-per-game

Atlanta is 18th.

Stop lying.


Sorry Claynus read them and weep.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame


RK PTS/G
1 Denver 38.7
2 Seattle 28.3
3 Dallas 27.4
4 Detroit 27.2
5 Chicago 26.9
6 New England 26.8
7 New Orleans 26.0
8 Philadelphia 25.0
9 Kansas City 24.8
10 San Francisco 24.8
11 Green Bay 24.5
12 Cincinnati 24.3
13 Minnesota 24.1
14 Indianapolis 23.8
Carolina 23.8
16 St. Louis 23.3
San Diego 23.3
18 Arizona 22.9
19 Washington 22.4
20 Buffalo 22.3
21 Tennessee 22.0
22 Pittsburgh 21.9
23 Atlanta 21.8

[Hammock Parties]

Those are the statistics for total points, which includes defensive and special teams score.

Offensively speaking, the Falcons score more than the Chiefs.

[tonyetony]

Hahahaha.

We are 21st in offensive points per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/offensive-points-per-game

Atlanta is 18th.

Stop lying.

Notice the title of the link you provided?

NFL Team Offensive Points per Game (Estimated)

Mine are actuals from espn.

[Hammock Parties]

Notice the title of the link you provided?

NFL Team Offensive Points per Game (Estimated)

Mine are actuals from espn.

No. Yours include defensive and special teams scores.

My numbers reflect the actual points scored by the offense.

It's also not estimated, even though it says so. Those numbers are 100 percent fact. You can calculate them yourself be going through box scores and removing the defensive and special teams scores.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

[tonyetony]

Those are the statistics for total points, which includes defensive and special teams score.

Offensively speaking, the Falcons score more than the Chiefs.

Wrong again you cherry picking fuck nut. Mine are offensive actuals. Straight up lie much?

[Mr. Plow]

Wrong again you cherry picking fuck nut. Mine are offensive actuals. Straight up lie much?


You included defensive & special teams scores. Take those out to get actual offensive points scored.

[Hammock Parties]

Wrong again you cherry picking fuck nut. Mine are offensive actuals. Straight up lie much?

No. Yours include defensive and special teams scores. ESPN does not track purely offensive points.

[BossChief]

you popped out three of them on the prior page... :rolleyes:

(hint: defense, run game, receivers)

If people attribute any of KC's quarterback struggles to these aspects... they are dismissed as excuses. Yet you and others have so easily used the very same to defend other quarterbacks.

So just be honest. If you actually LIKE a quarterback? excuses become legit reasons... if you do not like the quarterback? legit reasons transform into excuses.

You ready to own that, or will you side-step and misdirect in an effort to evade that horrible truth?

Not sure who you are talking about, specifically.

As a whole, I think almost everyone here thinks WR is a major area of concern.

Our run game isn't a problem and the defense has been able to handle (if not outright shut down) most offenses. Elite offenses can't be shut down, they can only be slowed down.

[duncan_idaho]

Notice the title of the link you provided?

NFL Team Offensive Points per Game (Estimated)

Mine are actuals from espn.

The Chiefs have scored 6 defensive touchdowns and two on ST. This is the most in the NFL.

Take those away, and the Chiefs are averaging just a shade over 20 PPG (generated by the offense).

[BossChief]

Wrong again you cherry picking **** nut. Mine are offensive actuals. Straight up lie much?

Put the pipe down and listen to what people are telling you.

You are making a spectacle of yourself.

[Pablo]

You included defensive & special teams scores. Take those out to get actual offensive points scored.LMAO

tony almost got it right.

So close!

[Hammock Parties]

We scored 21 against Denver, though.

Nice to see the improvement.

[BigCatDaddy]

Wrong again you cherry picking **** nut. Mine are offensive actuals. Straight up lie much?

You have the accuracy of Ace Gunner.

[Sandy Vagina]

Not sure who you are talking about, specifically.


Then perhaps, you are not the hater that others are. There are some here that will make excuses for every QB except their own though.

[Mr. Plow]

Here, I'll do it for you.

NFL.com Scoring Stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2013&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go)


KC Chiefs
Total Points Scored: 298
Rushing TD's: 10 = 60 points
Receiving TD's: 16 = 96 points
XP Made: 34 = 34 points
FG Made: 20 = 60 points
PReturn: 1 = 6 Points
KReturn: 1 = 6 points
INT: 4 = 24 points
FUM: 2 = 12 points

Total OFFENSIVE points = 250
OFFENSIVE points per game = 20.8

[ChiefsCountry]

You have the accuracy of Ace Gunner.

ROFL

[htismaqe]

This board is still talking about Matt Ryan. ROFL

[Mr. Plow]

I don't know where 20.8 offensive points per game puts us rankings-wise verse the rest of the NFL, but I'd guess we are probably in the 20-25ish range in terms of offensive points scored.

[tonyetony]

No. Yours include defensive and special teams scores. ESPN does not track purely offensive points.

I just looked and you are right. PUBLIC APOLOGY ISSUED.

I just went to team offensive points sorted at team stats here

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/points-per-game

And it matches but you are correct divide 298 by 12 and you get 24.83.

I still think by the end of the season our offense will put up enough points to win if our D can hold teams under 24.

[Hammock Parties]

I just looked and you are right. PUBLIC APOLOGY ISSUED.
.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3673753/BOOT_medium.gif

[BossChief]

Then perhaps, you are not the hater that others are. There are some here that will make excuses for every QB except their own though.

I am giving Alex enough rope to either hang himself with or to use to hang a championship banner with. (I know we don't hang banners in football, but I couldn't think of anything else)

I wasnt happy that we gave as much as we did for Alex and desperately want this team quarterbacked by someone it drafts...but Alex is exceeding my expectations and I'm at the point of "cautiously optimistic" right now.

They said on the radio after the game that Reid had a long talk with Alex during the bye week about how starting NFL quarterbacks have to be able to throw deep to stay starters and ever since ten, he has grown in that area by leaps and bounds.

If Alex plays the way he played against Denver (aside from the pick on the first drive), I have little issue with him sticking around awhile.

I genuinely hope that's the case because I'd love to have an offseason leading up to the draft where I don't have to pin my hopes on us drafting the right quarterback.

[tonyetony]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3673753/BOOT_medium.gif

LOL... I've seen that on Yardbarker. The old dude was in the student section in Sun Devil Stadium. That gif makes it look like he really connected with the face kick but he didn't. To his credit the old guy comes right back with some haymakers a little later.

[BigCatDaddy]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3673753/BOOT_medium.gif

It appears the dudes buddy could give some helpful tips in the dating mega thread.

[Mav]

Without Wayne the Colts are averaging 19.6 offensive points per game.

The Chiefs average 20.2 with everyone, including Alex.

What does that tell you?

That the chiefs wide receivers/tight ends are trash?

[GloryDayz]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3673753/BOOT_medium.gif

Like!

[Jimmya]

Meanwhile espn just showed Cassel as 3-1 with the vikings. I thinking "am I in the bizzaro world?" :(

[Discuss Thrower]

Meanwhile espn just showed Cassel as 3-1 with the vikings. I thinking "am I in the bizzaro world?" :(

2008.. 2010...

[mschiefs1984]

Meanwhile espn just showed Cassel as 3-1 with the vikings. I thinking "am I in the bizzaro world?" :(

Cassel is good short term bad long term. He's one that's a good backup bad starter. He can get the job done for a few weeks but other then that he's just bad

[Jimmya]

Agreed mschiefs!

[BigCatDaddy]

Meanwhile espn just showed Cassel as 3-1 with the vikings. I thinking "am I in the bizzaro world?" :(

Same winning percentage as Alice this year.

[jd1020]

Same winning percentage as Alice this year.

Meh.

He's actually 2-1.

He's getting credit for the Redskins game where Ponder went out after diving for the pylon but the ball was knocked out at the half yard line. Cassel went in and handed the ball off to Peterson for a 1 yard run and the game winning TD.

[BigCatDaddy]

Meh.

He's actually 2-1.

He's getting credit for the Redskins game where Ponder went out after diving for the pylon but the ball was knocked out at the half yard line. Cassel went in and handed the ball off to Peterson for a 1 yard run and the game winning TD.

He's handoff skills are severely underrated.

[Imon Yourside]

He's handoff skills are severely underrated.

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[LiveSteam]

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lol

[RunKC]

Clay that avatar/sig bet we made is looking pretty good right now.

Alex might win the bet today. Only 2 more to go.

[RobBlake]

Clay that avatar/sig bet we made is looking pretty good right now.

Alex might win the bet today. Only 2 more to go.

He won't honor it. He likes being hated lol.

[Mav]

He won't honor it. He likes being hated lol.

Hey Rob.

How goes it.

[Jakemall]

He won't honor it. He likes being hated lol.

Welches aren't worth being hated.

[Eleazar]

lulz

[Hammock Parties]

fuck you guys

[O.city]

Well, bye.

[laughsatyou907]

Please leave now.

[Sandy Vagina]

**** you guys

will be missed! or not!http://yoursmiles.org/csmile/goodbye/c0209.gif

[Rams Fan]

**** you guys

Update your sig before you leave.

[Hammock Parties]

3-30-1

good job good effort

[Namor40]

**** you guys


Don't leave mad, just leave. You ran your mouth for months and months, guess what, you don't know jack about quarterbacks or football in general. Go sit down on some thumbtacks.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I think the best part was the pick 6 by Geno right after the TD catch by Charles.

Fucking classic.

[GOB]

What was the bet

[Saccopoo]

The noobs are doing a massive dog piling!

[RunKC]

Clay made a bet to leave CP? I didn't see this one?

oh and hey Clay, maybe Reid runs a conservative offense the last 2 games and/or plays backups most of the time.

ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

What was the bet

Alex has to throw 2 more TDs.

If he does, RunKC has control of my signature and username for one year.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=9780214&postcount=985

[Hammock Parties]

Clay made a bet to leave CP? I didn't see this one?


Negative.

[O.city]

If Alex ever throws 4 tds in a game I'll leave for a year.

[Namor40]

Clay made a bet to leave CP? I didn't see this one?

oh and hey Clay, maybe Reid runs a conservative offense the last 2 games and/or plays backups most of the time.

ROFL

ROFLROFLROFL

[SAUTO]

If Alex ever throws 4 tds in a game I'll leave for a year.

he even brought it up multiple times and said he would stick to it...



sorry clay but you did it.

[SAUTO]

If Alex ever throws 4 tds in a game I'll leave for a year.

oh and he's furiously editing those posts right now

[O.city]

oh and he's furiously editing those posts right now

I'm sure

[Hammock Parties]

If Alex ever throws 4 tds in a game I'll leave for a year.

I never said this.

[aturnis]

Funny seeing all ask these trolls come out tonight. Where were you during all of Alex's mediocrity.

[SAUTO]

I never said this.

you are full of shit dude. totally full of shit on this one.


you even said it again and said you would totally stick with it if it happened a couple weeks ago.

[RunKC]

Clay, I think you should stick to your bet. You have said over and over again that you have never welched on a bet on CP.

[Hammock Parties]

you are full of shit dude. totally full of shit on this one.


you even said it again and said you would totally stick with it if it happened a couple weeks ago.

I know for a fact that I did not.

I did however point out my 25 TDs bet and I will honor that, of course.

And of course the Marcellus/GoChiefs bet.

[SAUTO]

Clay, I think you should stick to your bet. You have said over and over again that you have never welched on a bet on CP.

I don't remember a bet, just a statement. BUT he said he would stick to it recently.


sucks clay but its the fucking truth

[SAUTO]

I know for a fact that I did not.

I did however point out my 25 TDs bet and I will honor that, of course.

And of course the Marcellus/GoChiefs bet.

bullshit clay.


everyone saw it. someone SURELY quoted it...

[Hammock Parties]

bullshit clay.


everyone saw it. someone SURELY quoted it...

You're thinking of this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=279129&page=2

[O.city]

bullshit clay.


everyone saw it. someone SURELY quoted it...

Iirc it was before the browns game.

[Deberg_1990]

Clay will leave, but just come back with one of his Mults. This is pointless.

[SAUTO]

You're thinking of this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=279129&page=2

and you would be wrong.


I know what im talking about here dude

[FringeNC]

What's Smith's updated QB rating?

[SAUTO]

Clay will leave, but just come back with one of his Mults. This is pointless.

there is a point to it.

[Strongside]

http://i.imgur.com/BCDYv.gif

[Hammock Parties]

and you would be wrong.


I know what im talking about here dude

You are mistaken.

[Mav]

Funny seeing all ask these trolls come out tonight. Where were you during all of Alex's mediocrity.

negative. I have been here every week, every day.

[O.city]

and you would be wrong.


I know what im talking about here dude

He was just kidding anyway

[SAUTO]

You are mistaken.

bullshit.

I know exactly what im talking about, and you do too, sad you will say im wrong while its you totally lying.


I would respect you more if you would just admit it and say you aren't leaving

[AustinChief]

I have no clue on what people have bet but I will weigh in on one thing that has bugged me for awhile. The "leave for x amount of time" bets are dumb.

New policy:

They will NEVER be enforced by me or the other mods. On the other hand, I have no problem enforcing sig bets and all other manner of punishments for people running their mouth and being wrong.

[eDave]

Funny seeing all ask these trolls come out tonight. Where were you during all of Alex's mediocrity.

When was he mediocre? He did what he had to do to win every game won. He did what he had to do when the defense was part of the team. He is doing what he has to do without them. Why so much hate? These QB comparisons are stupid.

[SAUTO]

I have no clue on what people have bet but I will weigh in on one thing that has bugged me for awhile. The "leave for x amount of time" bets are dumb.

New policy:

They will NEVER be enforced by me or the other mods. On the other hand, I have no problem enforcing sig bets and all other manner of punishments for people running their mouth and being wrong.

again it wasn't a bet.

just something he threw out there to tell people how sure he was he was right.

he brought it up quite a few times and was so sure of himself he should at least say he was wrong.

I don't even want him gone

[crazycoffey]

I have no clue on what people have bet but I will weigh in on one thing that has bugged me for awhile. The "leave for x amount of time" bets are dumb.

New policy:

They will NEVER be enforced by me or the other mods. On the other hand, I have no problem enforcing sig bets and all other manner of punishments for people running their mouth and being wrong.

What idiot put you in charge?

[mschiefs1984]

When was he mediocre? He did what he had to do to win every game won. He did what he had to do when the defense was part of the team. He is doing what he has to do without them. Why so much hate? These QB comparisons are stupid.

If you listen to some of them he wasn't that good today because of the screens. Bottom line is he threw 5td passes. The screen plays were what was called. What do you want him to do say screw you coach i need to throw it downfield?

[Pitt Gorilla]

You are mistaken.You still think Geno is/will be better than Cam?

[AustinChief]

again it wasn't a bet.

just something he threw out there to tell people how sure he was he was right.

he brought it up quite a few times and was so sure of himself he should at least say he was wrong.

I don't even want him gone

I have no clue what idiot statements our resident blowhard made but if someone finds said statement it certainly might inspire some creative "mod abuse." ;)

[AustinChief]

What idiot put you in charge?

I know! right?

[Anyong Bluth]

I have no clue on what people have bet but I will weigh in on one thing that has bugged me for awhile. The "leave for x amount of time" bets are dumb.

New policy:

They will NEVER be enforced by me or the other mods. On the other hand, I have no problem enforcing sig bets and all other manner of punishments for people running their mouth and being wrong.

Seems smart - a lot better than a bunch of mults popping up while people are on " hiatus "

Besides, that person should stick around to eat crow- its not like you're banning a troll that's a fan for an opposing team.

[Saccopoo]

I have no clue what idiot statements our resident blowhard made but if someone finds said statement it certainly might inspire some creative "mod abuse." ;)

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1331568/thumbs/o-PAM-OLIVER-facebook.jpg

[Hammock Parties]

I will leave if Alex does this, though. I am a man of my word.

THIS is amazing. Holy fuck, if Alex ever does this, I will leave the Planet.

http://i.imgur.com/zgyLlI0.gif

[Chieftain58]

I thought when we signed him he was average but he is better than a lot of the QB's in the league.. And he got us to the Playoffs so yes he needs a 5 year contract.. probably 10 million first year against the cap, 20 million for the remainder with 39 million guaranteed.. payable in the first 3 years.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I will leave if Alex does this, though. I am a man of my word.


Why would anyone wish for our QB to reduce his level of play to that of Geno? We already endured 4 years of Cassel. I don't want to relive that...

[FringeNC]

I made a thread about it at the beginning of the year, arguing Andy Reid may turn Smith into Rich Gannon, and he seems to have succeeded. Like Gannon, Smith IS a game manager but is so smart (and pretty athletic) that he's a game manager who not only doesn't lose games but wins them.

[BigMeatballDave]

I will leave if Alex does this, though. I am a man of my word.

Typical

[AustinChief]

Seems smart - a lot better than a bunch of mults popping up while people are on " hiatus "

Besides, that person should stick around to eat crow- its not like you're banning a troll that's a fan for an opposing team.

My thoughts exactly!

[SAUTO]

I have no clue what idiot statements our resident blowhard made but if someone finds said statement it certainly might inspire some creative "mod abuse." ;)

its quoted in post 35 and 36 in the bowns thread on the front page

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I am a man of my word.

For some reason I just don't believe this.

[crazycoffey]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=277955&highlight=Smith&page=2

LMAO

I'd bet my life savings this doesn't happen this Sunday or any Sunday.

Alex has never had 4 td passes.

If it does, will you leave cp forever?

SDH would be devastated.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=10124840&postcount=35


It's deleted between some other posts about it but he was quoted too

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Why would anyone wish for our QB to reduce his level of play to that of Geno? We already endured 4 years of Cassel. I don't want to relive that...

Some people love Pick 6's i guess.

[Namor40]

Some people love Pick 6's i guess.


http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/10/pick62.gif

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Alex Smith&#39;s 5 TD passes traveled a combined 13 yards downfield</p>&mdash; Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/statuses/412395920492216320">December 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Eleazar]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=277955&highlight=Smith&page=2







http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=10124840&postcount=35


It's deleted between some other posts about it but he was quoted too

You can dig up anything you like, he's never been wrong about anything.

[Anyong Bluth]

I will leave if Alex does this, though. I am a man of my word.

You realize that statistically speaking that it's almost bound to happen, right?

[AustinChief]

its quoted in post 35 and 36 in the bowns thread on the front page

Sure is... looks like you guys should come up with a creative mod abuse punishment... :evil: No promise that I'll be around to enforce (got a busy next few days) it but I'm sure any number of mods will be happy to help out!

[GloryDayz]

For some reason I just don't believe this.

LOL, noob! ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

i'm pretty sure RunKC is going to have control of my username and signature for an entire year, that's punishment enough.

[ChiefsCountry]

The butt hurt that Clay leaves people has always been amazing to me.

[ClevelandBronco]

I am a man of my word.

Wrong on both counts.

[Mav]

The butt hurt that Clay leaves people has always been amazing to me.

Well, when anyone else, myself included wrote checks that our asses couldn't cash, we got demolished.

Why should Clay be given special treatment, other than the fact that you actually support his point of view?

If I had been wrong, on everything I had said, and I had made numerous bets that I kept losing, you would NEVER let me hear the end of it.

Why should people let Clay slide?

[Earthling]

Wrong on both counts.

ROFLROFLROFL

[bishop_74]

An example has to be made here, but I damn sure don't want Clay to be banned. I have made tons of money betting the opposite of his predictions. Thousands over the years! Do NOT take that away from me please.

[LoneWolf]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Alex Smith's 5 TD passes traveled a combined 13 yards downfield</p>&mdash; Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/statuses/412395920492216320">December 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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You know that's bullshit, right? The last pass to Jamaal traveled 20 yards plus the one to Duck Dynasty.

[Hammock Parties]

You know that's bullshit, right? The last pass to Jamaal traveled 20 yards plus the one to Duck Dynasty.

screen passes = negative yards

[ChiefsCountry]

You know that's bullshit, right? The last pass to Jamaal traveled 20 yards plus the one to Duck Dynasty.

Screen passes happened behind the line of scrimmage, thus negative yardage in the air.

[GordonGekko]

You know that's bullshit, right? The last pass to Jamaal traveled 20 yards plus the one to Duck Dynasty.

I lol'd

[LoneWolf]

screen passes = negative yards

Do the math ****face instead of being a dick less troll in every god damn thread.

[mschiefs1984]

You know that's bullshit, right? The last pass to Jamaal traveled 20 yards plus the one to Duck Dynasty.

Don't let facts get in the way of their bullshit hate on Alex. The guy throws 5td passes in a win to clinch a playoff birth and it's still not good enough

[Hammock Parties]

We beat the Raiders, let's not get too excited.

It looks like Alex has progressed from being a liability against the Raiders to being an asset, though, in two short months.

[SAUTO]

Well, when anyone else, myself included wrote checks that our asses couldn't cash, we got demolished.

Why should Clay be given special treatment, other than the fact that you actually support his point of view?

If I had been wrong, on everything I had said, and I had made numerous bets that I kept losing, you would NEVER let me hear the end of it.

Why should people let Clay slide?

you should get to come up with the mod abuse.


you let him out of his bet with you.

better pick something great, not good.

post it and let us vote or something

[tk13]

I always joked that this place would complain if we won the Super Bowl... the QB threw 5 TD passes today and we're sitting here arguing over the distance they were thrown. This might literally be one of the top 10 dumbest football discussions ever.

[crazycoffey]

Sure is... looks like you guys should come up with a creative mod abuse punishment... :evil: No promise that I'll be around to enforce (got a busy next few days) it but I'm sure any number of mods will be happy to help out!

Name change to Clay Swindler

[SAUTO]

The butt hurt that Clay leaves people has always been amazing to me.

it wouldn't be so bad if he didn't shit up every thread saying crazy shit.


say what you want and go on. people will remember if it means anything.


how many remember his no 4 td game proclamation should prove that point

[GordonGekko]

Don't let facts get in the way of their bullshit hate on Alex. The guy throws 5td passes in a win to clinch a playoff birth and it's still not good enough

I think what would really silence the critics would be to do this against Indy or even San Diego. Two teams actually worth a damn. 5 td's is 5 td's, but I want to see that type of production against higher tier opponents. Again, I'm not AS hating here, he had a great game.

[LoneWolf]

Name change to clay swindler

Geno's Claynus.

[Down4Chiefs]

Alex looks to be on pace to start of where he left off at last time he played a full season.SUperbowl bound,shame this thread hasn't been deleted.

[MeatRock]

I always joked that this place would complain if we won the Super Bowl... the QB threw 5 TD passes today and we're sitting here arguing over the distance they were thrown. This might literally be one of the top 10 dumbest football discussions ever.

It's Clay, what did you expect? He's been wrong about everything this year. He has to hang his hat on something, so it's going to be how far Smith's passes travel. :rolleyes:

[mschiefs1984]

I think what would really silence the critics would be to do this against Indy or even San Diego. Two teams actually worth a damn. 5 td's is 5 td's, but I want to see that type of production against higher tier opponents. Again, I'm not AS hating here, he had a great game.

I have no problem saying that. I even said in the extension thread during the game I still want to see what he does in the playoffs. But to whine about the passes being screen passes is just pointless. What do we get 8 points instead of 7 if the ball goes down field?

I just want Smith to do what he did the first time against the Chargers just need one once of Defense and the Chiefs can win against just about everyone. But he has to do it more then once

[FloridaMan88]

Let's wait and see what Alex Smith does in the playoffs.

Has he been an upgrade over the Chiefs QB situation last year? Obviously yes, that isn't hard to do.

Has he exceed expectations? Yes

But it is going to take more than two good games against terrible teams to determine if he is the answer at QB to advance the Chiefs in the playoffs.

[Red Dawg]

I always joked that this place would complain if we won the Super Bowl... the QB threw 5 TD passes today and we're sitting here arguing over the distance they were thrown. This might literally be one of the top 10 dumbest football discussions ever.

I agree. Only a truly devoted hater like Pam o could be a pisser on Alex today.

[Hammock Parties]

It's not like Alex Smith was out there making a bunch of hard NFL throws.

I saw one, maybe two of those today.

It was nice Jamaal padded Alex's stats, though.

That is what happened, and let's not get it twisted.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

It's not like Alex Smith was out there making a bunch of hard NFL throws.

I saw one, maybe two of those today.

It was nice Jamaal padded Alex's stats, though.

That is what happened, and let's not get it twisted.

So YAC counts for all QB but Smith you better tell ESPN PFF And all.

[Hammock Parties]

So YAC counts for all QB but Smith you better tell ESPN PFF And all.

On a screen pass, you give 99 percent of the credit to the RB, even if Joseph Fucking Clifford Montana is throwing the ball.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

On a screen pass, you give 99 percent of the credit to the RB, even if Joseph ****ing Clifford Montana is throwing the ball.

Funny you sucked Geno off on screen passes this year.

[GordonGekko]

It's not like Alex Smith was out there making a bunch of hard NFL throws.

I saw one, maybe two of those today.

It was nice Jamaal padded Alex's stats, though.

That is what happened, and let's not get it twisted.

I gotta ask, if AS has similar stats against Indy or SD and they are both W's, and we are 13-3, how will this alter your opinion?

[Kaepernick]

Page 666. Hmmm...

Could it be.......

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[Messier]

It's not like Alex Smith was out there making a bunch of hard NFL throws.

I saw one, maybe two of those today.

It was nice Jamaal padded Alex's stats, though.

That is what happened, and let's not get it twisted.

This is true, but also stupid. It's how days like this happen. short passes that become big plays is how this offense works. Many of Mannings throws are WR screens. I know Smith is no Manning, but I'm not gonna start saying some of his TDs don't count because the WR did most of the work.

[Strongside]

I mean, something like 75% of Peyton Manning's yardage has come after the catch this season.

[MeatRock]

It's not like Alex Smith was out there making a bunch of hard NFL throws.

I saw one, maybe two of those today.

It was nice Jamaal padded Alex's stats, though.

That is what happened, and let's not get it twisted.

Who gives a shit. A touchdown pass is a touchdown pass. They all score the same amount of points whether they are hard throws or easy throws.

[laughsatyou907]

Another awesome game by Alex Smith that clay turns into another attention whoring session about himself.

[BigMeatballDave]

Screen passes happened behind the line of scrimmage, thus negative yardage in the air.

What did Clay have for lunch today?

I mean, you're so far up his ass, I figured you'd know.

Auditioning for SDH 's position?

:D

[Sandy Vagina]

I remember that when Oakland started storming back with all of the momentum, and we needed our offense to take that momentum back?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CoiXdOz3Vwo/Uq47LGpW9LI/AAAAAAAAE0Q/mdKgPlfQG8Q/s400/charless.gif

now I don't know about yall, but that pass didn't look like a behind the LOS or minimal screen pass to me....

[Hammock Parties]

I mean, something like 75% of Peyton Manning's yardage has come after the catch this season.

Did you miss the atom bombs he dropped on our secondary last time out?

There is no comparison.

[Mosbonian]

On a screen pass, you give 99 percent of the credit to the RB, even if Joseph ****ing Clifford Montana is throwing the ball.

You can't be this disillusioned?

[GordonGekko]

Who gives a shit. A touchdown pass is a touchdown pass. They all score the same amount of points whether they are hard throws or easy throws.

This is definitely not true.

[Hammock Parties]

Funny you sucked Geno off on screen passes this year.

Absolutely not true.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Absolutely not true.

Falcons game.

[mschiefs1984]

Funny you sucked Geno off on screen passes this year.

Wasn't one of Geno's "good games" he had 4 yards threw the air? Maybe I'm wrong here

[plbrdude]

I mean, something like 75% of Peyton Manning's yardage has come after the catch this season.

But Peyton is special. To some people anyway.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Wasn't one of Geno's "good games" he had 4 yards threw the air? Maybe I'm wrong here

Yup but Clay forgets that.

[Namor40]

I remember that when Oakland started storming back with all of the momentum, and we needed our offense to take that momentum back?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CoiXdOz3Vwo/Uq47LGpW9LI/AAAAAAAAE0Q/mdKgPlfQG8Q/s400/charless.gif

now I don't know about yall, but that pass didn't look like a behind the LOS or minimal screen pass to me....



Yeah, but did he do a flying somersault after throwing that pass? I think no, he's obviously useless.

:D

[tk13]

Actually a lot of the time the offensive line deserves a lot of credit too on screen plays... if they don't get out in space and pick up defenders the screen gets blown up. Anybody who has actually watched Chiefs football in the last 10 years should understand that.

[Mosbonian]

I think what would really silence the critics would be to do this against Indy or even San Diego. Two teams actually worth a damn. 5 td's is 5 td's, but I want to see that type of production against higher tier opponents. Again, I'm not AS hating here, he had a great game.

The problem is that ALL QB's pad their stats against bad defenses...even the good ones like Manning, Rodgers, and Brady.

Face it....Manning has padded his stats against the Chiefs 2 times , and our defense has been pathetic recently.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

@StevePalazzolo: Geno Smith finished with four air yards on his eight completions. 111 of his 115 yards came after the catch Vs Saints

[BigMeatballDave]

Clay trollin like a typical teenager.

[Mosbonian]

On a screen pass, you give 99 percent of the credit to the RB, even if Joseph ****ing Clifford Montana is throwing the ball.

Thinking about this.....so in reality the credit goes to the RB and all his blockers, because without them he goes nowhere.

So you need to adjust your % of credit otherwise you are looking bad here.