Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[NinerDoug]

Without a doubt. His attempts are way back up again this year and his numbers are shit again. Of course his ballwashers will attribute his suckage to the line, wr's, Charles, coaching, the wind, the sun,, and KC Wolf's smelly asshole, but there seems to be a STRONG correlation between his attempts per game and his numbers.

There may also be a correlation between the amount of beer sold at the games and his numbers. Doesn't establish cause and effect.

[9er guy]

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( did you at least smile? ) :p

:shake:

[Hammock Parties]

Alex is doing better statically and in the win column.

Their numbers are about even, with the exception that Colin Kapernick has more rushing TDs and is 2nd in the NFL in yards per completion. Alex is 30th.

I'll take Kaepernick, especially since he hasn't reached his potential yet.

[jd1020]

Their numbers are about even, with the exception that Colin Kapernick has more rushing TDs and is 2nd in the NFL in yards per completion. Alex is 30th.

I'll take Kaepernick, especially since he hasn't reached his potential yet.

Give it 8 years and he'll be a Chief.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[NinerDoug]

Their numbers are about even, with the exception that Colin Kapernick has more rushing TDs and is 2nd in the NFL in yards per completion. Alex is 30th.

I'll take Kaepernick, especially since he hasn't reached his potential yet.

This is truth beyond question, IMHO. I don't think that anyone who sees it any other way is looking at it objectively.

[Mr. Plow]

Give it 8 years and he'll be a Chief.

Whoa, slow your roll. We still gotta get through Favre & the Manning brothers.

[NinerDoug]

Whoa, slow your roll. We still gotta get through Favre & the Manning brothers.

Don't be so hard on yourselves. I've never bought a new car in my life.

[Bowser]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up....

[stevieray]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up....

....don't make him ask a third time!!!!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The new coach and playbook thing sure hampered Cutler and Rivers.

LMAO

JTDC; talent is talent. If people choose to back a sub-par game-manager, I suppose that's their own, twisted business. I'm not having it. I will bet Eleventy Billion Dollars plus a lifetime CP ban that Alex Smith will NEVER win a SB in a Chiefs uniform, unless he is on the sideline.

[NinerDoug]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up,,,,

Ok, I just looked it up. It's true.

[Mr. Plow]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up....

[Jakemall]

Ok, I just looked it up. It's true.

Maybe true...but the 21-30 range has been horrible. Regardless of the reasons. Somehow over 31 starts looking decent again.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up....

LMAO

[Tribal Warfare]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up,,,,

does that include dump off check downs to Jamaal where he makes something out of nothing.

[Discuss Thrower]

Aaron Crow only has two pitches.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

does that include dump off check downs to Jamaal where he makes something out of nothing.

Yeah, I think we ALL know who the Savior of this offense is.

[NinerDoug]

does that include dump off check downs to Jamaal where he makes something out of nothing.

Of course, yards after catch would be included in all of their stats.

[NinerDoug]

. . .

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Without a doubt. His attempts are way back up again this year and his numbers are shit again. Of course his ballwashers will attribute his suckage to the line, wr's, Charles, coaching, the wind, the sun,, and KC Wolf's smelly asshole, but there seems to be a STRONG correlation between his attempts per game and his numbers.

ROFL

Oh shit...

[NinerDoug]

does that include dump off check downs to Jamaal where he makes something out of nothing.

Jerry Rice used to do some awesome shit after catching a short pass from Joe or Steve. All went into Joe's and Steve's stats as passing yards.

[Hammock Parties]

So I just got a text from a friend saying Alex Smith has thrown more passes of 20+yards than Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and Jay Cutler this season. On the surface that just feels incorrect by a wide margin. Anybody care to substantiate that, because I'm just way too lazy to look it up....

Nope.

http://i.imgur.com/6ipXpGV.jpg

[Hammock Parties]

Look at the percentage of attempts. Alex throws fewer passes 20+ yards than ANY OTHER QB IN FOOTBALL. Gods.

[Bowser]

Are those just passes of 20+ yards, gochiefs?

The rest of you - I hate you.

[Bowser]

I guess I need to know what that graph defines as "deep passing", as in what yard marker makes a pass deep....

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Look at the percentage of attempts. Alex throws fewer passes 20+ yards than ANY OTHER QB IN FOOTBALL. Gods.

And all those other QB's have real numbers in the LOSS column. :D

[Hammock Parties]

I guess I need to know what that graph defines as "deep passing", as in what yard marker makes a pass deep....

Anything 20 yards or over.

Measured from the line of scrimmage.

[Hammock Parties]

If you expand that chart it's really funny.

It goes from Alex Smith at 5.6% to 0% for a few backup QBs.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Nope.

http://i.imgur.com/6ipXpGV.jpg


Oooh Look, His accuracy on those deep passes is better than The giant Forehead's

[Bearcat]

What did I miss? I've been busy sending text messages.

[mattschiefs]

That list should show you just how much airing the ball out means to winning. Not much.

But who cares about winning right? It's all about who is throwing the ball 20 yards or more SMH

[Halfcan]

What did I miss? I've been busy sending text messages.

Same shit as the other 535 pages. Alex sucks, Chiefs suck, sky is falling...

[Bowser]

Bearcat just texted me and said he heard the stat of Alex's downfield passing from Pat Kirwan on Moving the Chains.

[Hammock Parties]

That list should show you just how much airing the ball out means to winning. Not much.

But who cares about winning right? It's all about who is throwing the ball 20 yards or more SMH

Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Dalton, Cutler, Wilson, Stafford, Rivers and Kaepernick are 9 of the top 11 on that list.

All have winning records.

Did you lick an AIDS tree?

[Tribal Warfare]

Jerry Rice used to do some awesome shit after catching a short pass from Joe or Steve. All went into Joe's and Steve's stats as passing yards.


Alex is a HOFer ????????????????

[Hammock Parties]

Bearcat just texted me and said he heard the stat of Alex's downfield passing from Pat Kirwan on Moving the Chains.

Pat Kirwan is probably looking at completions that went for 20 or more yards.

Giving Alex credit for Jamaal Charles taking a screen pass over 20 yards (has happened at least thrice this year) is the kind of thing homers love.

[Bowser]

Pat Kirwan is probably looking at completions that went for 20 or more yards.

Giving Alex credit for Jamaal Charles taking a screen pass over 20 yards (has happened at least thrice this year) is the kind of thing homers love.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Hell, Alex chewed up the Eagles on those quick crossing routes to Avery. Those have got to factor in to his statement.

[Bearcat]

That list should show you just how much airing the ball out means to winning. Not much.

But who cares about winning right? It's all about who is throwing the ball 20 yards or more SMH

wut LMAO

[NinerDoug]

Bearcat just texted me and said he heard the stat of Alex's downfield passing from Pat Kirwan on Moving the Chains.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING


Brady, 21

Romo, 22

Cutler, 20

Smith, 24

[NinerDoug]

Alex is a HOFer ????????????????

If you say so.

[Tribal Warfare]

If you say so.



Total deflection there by mentioning Young and Montana two of the great QBs who are true blue HOFers in the same breath as Alex Smith.


Alex shines their shoes, and he doesn't even compare.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Pat Kirwan is probably looking at completions that went for 20 or more yards.

Giving Alex credit for Jamaal Charles taking a screen pass over 20 yards (has happened at least thrice this year) is the kind of thing homers love.

Stop it Clay, you're just a meany troll.

[NinerDoug]

Total deflection there by mentioning Young and Montana two of the great QBs who are true blue HOFers in the same breath as Alex Smith.


Alex shines their shoes, and he doesn't even compare.

Total deflection there by intentionally missing the point and instead responding as if there was a comparison being made between Montana, Young, and Smith.

Point: the stats of all quarterbacks, great and not so great, include yards after catch in the passing yards stat. It doesn't make sense to erase those yards unless you erase everybody's yards after catch.

[Tribal Warfare]

Total deflection there by intentionally missing the point and instead responding as if there was a comparison being made between Montana, Young, and Smith.

Point: the stats of all quarterbacks, great and not so great, include yards after catch in the passing yards stat. It doesn't make sense to erase those yards unless you erase everybody's yards after catch.

No, the point is the fanboy BS trying to justify Smith's Bono-like production, to the stated HOFers who won SBs.

It cracks me up that Alex fans, would even mention him in the same breath as such QBs.

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING


Brady, 21

Romo, 22

Cutler, 20

Smith, 24

Misleading.

On passes that travel 20 yards or more in air, he has 6 completions.

[Bearcat]

Total deflection there by intentionally missing the point and instead responding as if there was a comparison being made between Montana, Young, and Smith.

Point: the stats of all quarterbacks, great and not so great, include yards after catch in the passing yards stat. It doesn't make sense to erase those yards unless you erase everybody's yards after catch.

Exhibit A


http://i.imgur.com/6ipXpGV.jpg

[Mr. Plow]

Are those just passes of 20+ yards, gochiefs?

The rest of you - I hate you.

I just got a text from my friend fuck you!



:)

[NinerDoug]

No, the point is the fanboy BS trying to justify Smith's Bono-like production, to the stated HOFers who won SBs.

It cracks me up that Alex fans, would even mention him in the same breath as such QBs.

Well, no, since the point was mine, I think I get to define it.

But if you insist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvBIFc7kS2s&feature=player_detailpage

[Tribal Warfare]

Well, no, since the point was mine, I think I get to define it.

But if you insist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvBIFc7kS2s&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvBIFc7kS2s&feature=player_detailpage

and GC, has the Texans gif to prove that Alex doesn't have the stones to pull that off.

[NinerDoug]

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i403/11_11-11/sports/TheCatch3.gif

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why won't he do that as a Chief? That pocket looks just as shitty as any that Fisher could create.

Oh well.

[SAUTO]

8 weeks, and we are 16th in efficiency. Is it that hard to believe we might just be 10th in 4 weeks? 7th in 8 weeks? Don't think top 10-12 is good enough to propel KC into a SB? :hmmm:

We?


LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOROFL
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[Tribal Warfare]

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i403/11_11-11/sports/TheCatch3.gif

And last week????????????

[NinerDoug]

and GC, has the Texans gif to prove that Alex doesn't have the stones to pull that off.

Pull what off? This?

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i403/11_11-11/sports/TheCatch3.gif

[Tribal Warfare]

Pull what off? This?

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i403/11_11-11/sports/TheCatch3.gif


missing Fasano,Stephenson( eligible), and McGrath.

He shit himself, your only as good as your last performance.

[NinerDoug]

And last week????????????

Oh, well, I thought were talking about reasons not to mention Alex Smith in the same breath as Joe and Steve.

That TD pass is now permanently enshrined in 49ers lore as the The Catch III, Number I and Number II being by Joe and Steve, or course.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Oh, well, I thought were talking about reasons not to mention Alex Smith in the same breath as Joe and Steve.

That TD pass is now permanently enshrined in 49ers lore as the The Catch III, Number I and Number II being by Joe and Steve, or course.

LMAO

I guess having multiple SB's makes you folks easy to please.

[Tribal Warfare]

Oh, well, I thought were talking about reasons not to mention Alex Smith in the same breath as Joe and Steve.

That TD pass is now permanently enshrined in 49ers lore as the The Catch III, the Number I and Number II being by Joe and Steve, or course.

Okay, boys Alex is a HOFer and nothing less we should expect greatness a player who can take this team on his back when everything falls to shit.

Game in and game out HOF worthy play is expected now. As you see from the quoted post.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Okay, boys Alex is a HOFer and nothing less we should expect greatness a player who can take this team on his back when everything falls to shit.

Game in and game out HOF worthy play is expected now. As you see from the quoted post.

He be makin'...da trow!

[NinerDoug]

missing Fasano,Stephenson( eligible), and McGrath.

He shit himself, your only as good as your last performance.

Well, then, I guess that makes Tom Brady kind of suck ass.

13 22 59.1 116 5.3 1 1 3 16 69.5

[NinerDoug]

Okay, boys Alex is a HOFer and nothing less we should expect greatness a player who can take this team on his back when everything falls to shit.

Game in and game out HOF worthy play is expected now. As you see from the quoted post.

Your words, not mine. But hey, if you have that kind of confidence, who am I to contradict you?

[Tribal Warfare]

Well, then, I guess that makes Tom Brady kind of suck ass.

13 22 59.1 116 5.3 1 1 3 16 69.5

Alex is a HOFer guys, mark it down. Expect excellence

[Tribal Warfare]

Your words, not mine. But hey, if you have that kind of confidence, who am I to contradict you?

You compared him to HOF QBs, since he is at that caliber. That's what I expect, and no ALEXCUSES!

[NinerDoug]

Why won't he do that as a Chief? That pocket looks just as shitty as any that Fisher could create.

Oh well.

Being the objective guy that I am, I will admit that there wasn't as much riding on that pass as in the cases of the Catch I and the Catch II. An incompletion would have resulted in a field goal and OT. Of course, a pick loses the game.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You compared him to HOF QBs, since he is at that caliber. That's what I expect, and no ALEXCUSES!

LMAO

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[NinerDoug]

You compared him to HOF QBs, since he is at that caliber. That's what I expect, and no ALEXCUSES!

Actually, I made a point about a certain stat that certain people think is misleading. You started the HOF discussion. I merely followed along and brought up a pass that tends to support your point. :)

[Tribal Warfare]

Actually, I made a point about a certain stat that certain people think is misleading. You started the HOF discussion. I merely followed along and brought up a pass that tends to support your point. :)
Point is if you truly believe a player shares qualities of a HOFer game in and game out and is truly great in your opinion you state it confidently. You don't pick and choose, or backtrack with making excuses.

[NinerDoug]

Point is if you truly believe a player shares qualities of a HOFer game in and game out and is truly great in your opinion you state it confidently. You don't pick and choose, or backtrack with making excuses.

My opinion is that Alex is a good QB who can get to the playoffs and maybe even win a superbowl, assuming certain conditions, such as having a killer D. With the Niners he also had the benefit of Vernon Davis, one of the best tight ends to play the game (my opinion, feel free to disagree, let's say he's fucking good.)

He is also capable of pulling you out of a hole if necessary.

Obviously, he is not Joe or Steve, and highly unlikely to ever be either. (Although he does at least now share a common moment.)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

My opinion is that Alex is a good QB who can get to the playoffs and maybe even win a superbowl, assuming certain conditions, such as having a killer D. With the Niners he also had the benefit of Vernon Davis, one of the best tight ends to play the game (my opinion, feel free to disagree, let's say he's fucking good.)

He is also capable of pulling you out of a hole if necessary.

Obviously, he is not Joe or Steve, and highly unlikely to ever be either. (Although he does at least now share a common moment.)

I want Joe or Steve.

[NinerDoug]

I want Joe or Steve.

Sorry, you can't have them. Few can.

[Hammock Parties]

Alex is a good QB who can get to the playoffs and maybe even win a superbowl, assuming certain conditions

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ericsavitz/files/2011/03/hell-freezes-over.jpg

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Sorry, you can't have them. Few can.

True. But can I at least try?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ericsavitz/files/2011/03/hell-freezes-over.jpg

LMAO

[NinerDoug]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/ericsavitz/files/2011/03/hell-freezes-over.jpg

Lol.

But seriously, but for Kyle Williams laying two big turds on the field at critical points in the game, he would have been in the Superbowl. Not quite sure the Hell freezing over reference is quite accurate.

[NinerDoug]

True. But can I at least try?

I think you should. Jim did, and it just might work out for him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think you should. Jim did, and it just might work out for him.

http://images.wikia.com/icarly/images/2/29/Dancing-leprechaun-animated-01.gif

[Hammock Parties]

Lol.

But seriously, but for Kyle Williams laying two big turds on the field at critical points in the game, he would have been in the Superbowl. Not quite sure the Hell freezing over reference is quite accurate.

Alex sucked in that game. He completed less than 50 percent of his passes and was 1 for 12 on third down.

[VONDIPSHIT]

2010 is really the only super bowl I remember that one of these firepower offenses with a mediocre to poor d won it all.

There are hundreds of teams over this history of the league that were like this years Chiefs. It takes great QB play to win the post season along with some good defense. I notice how all you guys claim Denver's D is putrid but always fail to explain how the KC D would be without their 4 top players on the field. You guys are going to be brought down to earth very soon. In fact there is an article out about how KC is one of the worst 8-0 teams in history.

[Cephalic Trauma]

There are hundreds of teams over this history of the league that were like this years Chiefs. It takes great QB play to win the post season along with some good defense. I notice how all you guys claim Denver's D is putrid but always fail to explain how the KC D would be without their 4 top players on the field. You guys are going to be brought down to earth very soon. In fact there is an article out about how KC is one of the worst 8-0 teams in history.

This is original and fucking profound.

[USArmyParatrooper]

Alex sucked in that game. He completed less than 50 percent of his passes and was 1 for 12 on third down.

That's the Smith BFF crowd for you. No matter what, it's "Smith won", even if he throws a terrible game and they win 13 - 6.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

That's the Smith BFF crowd for you. No matter what, it's "Smith won", even if he throws a terrible game and they win 13 - 6.

God Bless you, brave Paratrooper.

[BigMeatballDave]

There are hundreds of teams over this history of the league that were like this years Chiefs. It takes great QB play to win the post season along with some good defense. I notice how all you guys claim Denver's D is putrid but always fail to explain how the KC D would be without their 4 top players on the field. You guys are going to be brought down to earth very soon. In fact there is an article out about how KC is one of the worst 8-0 teams in history.

Who are the top 4 players on Denver's D that were out?

Miller, and?

[BigMeatballDave]

OH NOEZ! THERE IS AN ARTICLE!

May as well forfeit the season.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Alex sucked in that game. He completed less than 50 percent of his passes and was 1 for 12 on third down.

Eli sucked just as bad in that game. Plus it was raining all game.

[Hammock Parties]

Eli sucked just as bad in that game. Plus it was raining all game.

Eli had 300 yards. LMAO

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[Easy 6]

That's what I'm thinking as well. Hell, Alex chewed up the Eagles on those quick crossing routes to Avery. Those have got to factor in to his statement.

He didn't chew up jack, dude is pure suck on every single play, in every single way.

The record means nothing
Good drives and plays mean even less

[Hammock Parties]

Alex doesn't get credit for a 20+ yard gain when the throw is 5 fucking yards, be real.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Eli had 300 yards. LMAO

You really need to make up your dumbass mind you always cry YPP. Eli in that game was 5.4 YPP.

[Hammock Parties]

You really need to make up your dumbass mind you always cry YPP. Eli in that game had 5.4 YPP.

Don't care.

If Alex had put up 300 yards, likely the 49ers and he would have gone to the Super Bowl.

Of course Eli also threw 50+ times. If Alex had tried that you'd probably get a shit ton of sacks.

[JENKINSWINS]

Eli sucked just as bad in that game. Plus it was raining all game.

Alex threw 2 TDs to Vernon Davis and had Swain, Hastings to throw to, while Crabtree disappeared all game. Also the 9ers lost the turnover battle that game and both turnovers had nothing to do with the offense. Refs even blew a play dead right when they saw the Giants HB get stripped of the ball. That turnover would have had them in position to win the game.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Don't care.

If Alex had put up 300 yards, likely the 49ers and he would have gone to the Super Bowl.

Of course Eli also threw 50+ times. If Alex had tried that you'd probably get a shit ton of sacks.

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That game was on Kyle Williams.

[Hammock Parties]

Yes and the Chiefs 1995 playoff loss was on Lin Elliot, not Steve Bono.

[JENKINSWINS]

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[Messier]

Yes and the Chiefs 1995 playoff loss was on the kicker that shall go unnamed, not Steve Bono.

Didn't Bono throw three picks in that game?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Yes and the Chiefs 1995 playoff loss was on the kicker that shall go unnamed, not Steve Bono.

Klye Williams set up 10 of the Giants point did you even watch the game?

[JENKINSWINS]

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[Hammock Parties]

Klye Williams set up 10 of the Giants point did you even watch the game?

Is there a reason Alex couldn't put more points up?

I mean I can't think of any reasons why Alex couldn't put up more than 17...anyone?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Is there a reason Alex couldn't put more points up?

I mean I can't think of any reasons why Alex couldn't put up more than 17...anyone?

Any reason Eli couldn't put more then 17 he's elite in your eyes?

[O.city]

Why do you guys continue to respond to the village idiot. It really ruins damn near every thread on here.

Just ignore the guy.

[Hammock Parties]

It's amazing that Alexsexuals continue to defend a sub 50%, 1-12 on third down performance. LMAO

There is no rational debate with these guys.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why do you guys continue to respond to the village idiot. It really ruins damn near every thread on here.

Just ignore the guy.

What's the name of this thread again?

[JENKINSWINS]

It's amazing that Alexsexuals continue to defend a sub 50%, 1-12 on third down performance. LMAO

There is no rational debate with these guys.

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[ShowtimeSBMVP]

It's amazing that Alexsexuals continue to defend a sub 50%, 1-12 on third down performance. LMAO

There is no rational debate with these guys.

Eli was just as bad in that game.

[Messier]

It's amazing that Alexsexuals continue to defend a sub 50%, 1-12 on third down performance. LMAO

There is no rational debate with these guys.

These aren't debates. Your position is that Smith sucks. You seem to be sticking to that.

Alexsexuals is awesome by the way
:rolleyes:

[Hammock Parties]

These aren't debates. Your position is that Smith sucks. You seem to be sticking to that.

Alexsexuals is awesome by the way
:rolleyes:

They are debates. They are debates about how much he sucks. We're trying to determine where he falls on the Plummer-Cassel game manager scale.

So far he's about the same as 2005 Jake Plummer, who "led" a top defense to the AFC Championship game and was routinely sucked off by Broncos faithful. However, he has shown no indications he will match the glory of Cassel's 27/7.

Stay tuned.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

These aren't debates. Your position is that Smith sucks. You seem to be sticking to that.

Alexsexuals is awesome by the way
:rolleyes:

Now wait a minute. Let's see if this is a debate or not.

A position? Check.

Facts to back up position? Check.

Endless parade of opposition to the contrary? Check.

Yeah, you're right. It's more like the one dad on Maury who doesn't want to be the father of the little bastard, but gets saddled with him(Smith)anyway.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They are debates. They are debates about how much he sucks. We're trying to determine where he falls on the Plummer-Cassel game manager scale.

ROFL

[Messier]

Now wait a minute. Let's see if this is a debate or not.

A position? Check.

Facts to back up position? Check.

Endless parade of opposition to the contrary? Check.

Yeah, you're right. It's more like the one dad on Maury who doesn't want to be the father of the little bastard, but gets saddled with him(Smith)anyway.

It was a position taken up before the season by three or so posters, psst, you're one of them.

The whole world is against you. Stick to your guns. Don't cave. You'll make it through these dark times when it seems you don't have a friend in the world.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It was a position taken up before the season by three or so posters, psst, you're one of them.

The whole world is against you. Stick to your guns. Don't cave. You'll make it through these dark times when it seems you don't have a friend in the world.

:facepalm:

[Messier]

They are debates. They are debates about how much he sucks. We're trying to determine where he falls on the Plummer-Cassel game manager scale.

So far he's about the same as 2005 Jake Plummer, who "led" a top defense to the AFC Championship game and was routinely sucked off by Broncos faithful. However, he has shown no indications he will match the glory of Cassel's 27/7.

Stay tuned.

I don't think Smith is any better than Jake Plummer.

[Messier]

:facepalm:

:facepalm:

[Hammock Parties]

I don't think Smith is any better than Jake Plummer.

He's Jake Plummer without testes.

Jake had big balls and it got him in trouble, but also resulted in big plays sometimes.

[Messier]

He's Jake Plummer without testes.

Jake had big balls and it got him in trouble, but also resulted in big plays sometimes.

He's Plummer without the dick too.

[Sorter]

I don't think Smith is any better than Jake Plummer.

I do, by quite a significant gap.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Handball, bitches.

[VONDIPSHIT]

Who are the top 4 players on Denver's D that were out?

Miller, and?

Woodyard, Harris, Bailey. Throw in Ayers who has played well and Ihenacho has been banged up all year too who has been a surprise. I know you guys just look at stats and assume from there. Since you guys are claiming the Cardinals had a great D during their SB year post how many games they allowed over 40 pts and over 35 pts.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Woodyard, Harris, Bailey. Throw in Ayers who has played well and Ihenacho has been banged up all year too who has been a surprise. I know you guys just look at stats and assume from there. Since you guys are claiming the Cardinals had a great D during their SB year post how many games they allowed over 40 pts and over 35 pts.

Bailey and Nacho fucking suck.

[Hammock Parties]

I do, by quite a significant gap.

Plummer won playoff games, too.

I see their career paths being remarkably similar in the end.

It's not like Alex doesn't have a history of being a shitty QB.

[Brando]

Plummer won playoff games, too.

I see their career paths being remarkably similar in the end.

It's not like Alex doesn't have a history of being a shitty QB.

Pull down your skirt. Your agenda is showing.

[Hammock Parties]

Pull down your skirt. Your agenda is showing.

My only agenda is to force homers to accept the truth.

Alex Cassel is going to Plummer us right into disappointment before he rides off into the sunset, dragging the corpse of Jamaal Charles behind his mule.

[Sorter]

Plummer won playoff games, too.

I see their career paths being remarkably similar in the end.

It's not like Alex doesn't have a history of being a shitty QB.

I know this.

I think that Alex is much better at a multitude of skills than Plummer. Merely an opinion.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

My only agenda is to force homers to accept the truth.

Alex Cassel is going to Plummer us right into disappointment before he rides off into the sunset, dragging the corpse of Jamaal Charles behind his mule.

LMAO

Beautiful.

[Messier]

LMAO

Beautiful.

You wanna **** Clay, don't you?

[VONDIPSHIT]

Bailey and Nacho ****ing suck.

Ok 4 of our better players have been hurt. Last week was the first time all year Denver's D had all 3 starting LB's. How would KC survive those injuries? That is a good point too KC has been fairly healthy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You wanna **** Clay, don't you?

Occasionally.

[Brando]

My only agenda is to force homers to accept the truth.

Alex Cassel is going to Plummer us right into disappointment before he rides off into the sunset, dragging the corpse of Jamaal Charles behind his mule.

You are truly laughable. You're flashing your agenda like Brittany flashing her flabby vag.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Ok 4 of our better players have been hurt. Last week was the first time all year Denver's D had all 3 starting LB's. How would KC survive those injuries? That is a good point too KC has been fairly healthy.

We wouldn't survive that scenario. We would in-fact be quite fucked.

Still, Bailey and Nacho suck.

[Hammock Parties]

You are truly laughable. You're flashing your agenda like Brittany flashing her flabby vag.

And you are Brando.

[Brando]

And you are Brando.

Yes I am Claytex.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And you are Brando.

I bet he's buddies with Soren. Syracuse and all...

[Brando]

I bet he's buddies with Soren. Syracuse and all...

Soren is a gas giant on par with Claytex. You my friend are more of a bloody rag like Keitzfag.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Soren is a gas giant on par with Claytex. You my friend are more of a bloody rag like Keitzpillowbiter.

Admit it; you ARE Soren. It would explain so much.

[Brando]

Admit it; you ARE Soren. It would explain so much.

I am a third the size of that turd.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I am a third the size of that turd.

How is that even possible? Do you mean height or girth?

[Brando]

How is that even possible? Do you mean height or girth?

I know you are semi-retarded but figure it out.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I know you are semi-retarded but figure it out.

Length?

[O.city]

I know this.

I think that Alex is much better at a multitude of skills than Plummer. Merely an opinion.

You'll get no response from clay.

[Sorter]

You'll get no response from clay.

That's fine. It's an opinion and one that I expect could vary among a variety of people.

[O.city]

That's fine. It's an opinion and one that I expect could vary among a variety of people.

No, because it was legitimate football talk from a legitimate football poster.


He'd never take that on

[Sorter]

No, because it was illegitimate football talk from an illegitimate, arrogant football poster /splatbass



Fixed

[O.city]

Gotta watch splatbass sorter, he's a menace

[Hammock Parties]

You'll get no response from clay.

Nobody here spends as much time or effort researching facts and football history to support their arguments as I do.

I probably shouldn't be so kind to Alex though, Plummer has three times the 300-yard games to date and had a few 4 TD games to his credit. Alex? 0.

[Sorter]

Gotta watch splatbass sorter, he's a menace

I like the guy.


He despises me and his comments really hurt my feelings.

[O.city]

Nobody here spends as much time or effort researching facts and football history to support their arguments as I do.

I probably shouldn't be so kind to Alex though, Plummer has three times the 300-yard games to date and had a few 4 TD games to his credit. Alex? 0.

Ok, then debate sorter about it.

If you haven't figured out yet, stats alone don't give the whole picture.

[Hammock Parties]

Ok, then debate sorter about it.


Since when do you tell me what to do?

[Sorter]

Ok, then debate sorter about it.

If you haven't figured out yet, stats alone don't give the whole picture.

I don't think there's anything to debate. It's merely an opinion.

[Nightfyre]

You know Plummer is better at left-handed passes than Alex Smith. C'mon, Sorter. Acknowledge it!!!1111!!ELEVENTY11!ONE!!11

[JENKINSWINS]

For anyone who wants to bring up the NFCCG needs to watch these 2 videos for forever...

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[Mr. Plow]

Nobody wanted to comment on those videos the first 5 times you posted them. Stop fucking posting them.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Nobody here spends as much time or effort researching facts and football history to support their arguments as I do.

No offense, but it seems from a lot of what I have read, your "research" is citing PFF to back up your arguments. PFF is a group of guys overseas with no history in football or understanding of the game, who merely look at the NFL from a purely statistical standpoint. While numbers have their place in revealing certain trends, etc, they normally don't tell the whole story. I'm not sure their data qualifies them as "experts" on the National Football League.

[JENKINSWINS]

Nobody wanted to comment on those videos the first 5 times you posted them. Stop ****ing posting them.

Right, because the truth hurts.

[Mr. Plow]

Right, because the truth hurts.


LMAO

[JENKINSWINS]

TROOF!

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[NinerDoug]

Alex sucked in that game. He completed less than 50 percent of his passes and was 1 for 12 on third down.

Nevertheless, he was a Kyle Williams screw up away from the Super Bowl. Hell was down to 32.1 degrees.

[King_Chief_Fan]

My only agenda is to force homers to accept the truth.

Alex Cassel is going to Plummer us right into disappointment before he rides off into the sunset, dragging the corpse of Jamaal Charles behind his mule.

you better get someone else to do that

You are the biggest flip flopping welcher known on the board. Only an idiot would side with you

[ChiefsCountry]

Lin Eliot was the reason Steve Bono didn't win /AlexSmith slurppers

Tony Gonzalez push off call was the reason Grbac didn't win /AlexSmith slurppers

[BigCatDaddy]

<b>Lin Eliot</b> was the reason Steve Bono didn't win /AlexSmith slurppers

Tony Gonzalez push off call was the reason Grbac didn't win /AlexSmith slurppers

Reported

[Sorter]

you better get someone else to do that

You are the biggest flip flopping welcher known on the board. Only an idiot would side with you

How very Christian of you.

[New World Order]

Alex has shown the stones already as a chief to be extremely clutch though.

So, im not really sure that would be that big of a deal.



Huh? When?

[ViperVisor]

Look at the percentage of attempts. Alex throws fewer passes 20+ yards than ANY OTHER QB IN FOOTBALL. Gods.

THROWS OF 20-PLUS YARDS IN 2011 (includes playoff games)
(From Pro Football Focus)
AARON RODGERS, Packers (16 games): 129.1 QB rating
33 of 66, 1,264 yards, 14 TD, 1 INT
MATT SCHAUB, Texans (10 games): 125.3
14 of 37, 499 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT
TONY ROMO, Cowboys (16 games): 123.8
32 of 61, 1,166 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT
ALEX SMITH, 49ers (18 games): 111.4
21 of 51, 723 yards, 6 TD, 2 INT
MATTHEW STAFFORD, Lions (17 games): 107.8
34 of 83, 1,187, 12 TD, 4 INT
DREW BREES, Saints (18 games): 107.3
44 of 86, 1,187 yards, 20 TD, 6 INT
ELI MANNING, Giants (20 games): 103.2
49 of 123, 1,675 yards, 15 TD, 7 INT
CAM NEWTON, Panthers (16 games): 92.6
33 of 89, 1,149 yards, 7 TD, 4 INT
PHILIP RIVERS, Chargers (16 games): 91.4
28 of 75 935 yards, 12 TD, 6 INT
TOM BRADY, Patriots (19 games): 87.7
23 of 73, 746 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT
JOE FLACCO, Ravens (18 games): 81.8
25 of 88, 816 yards, 8 TD, 3 INT
BEN ROETHLISBERGER, Steelers (16 games): 77.5
24 of 75, 818 yards, 7 TD, 5 INT
MICHAEL VICK, Eagles (13 games): 77.2
24 of 58, 769 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT
JAY CUTLER, Bears (10 games): 77.0
14 of 37, 425 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
MATTRYAN, Falcons (17 games): 69.3
16 of 63, 518 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT

Alex Smith threw 513 passes that year. So 1 out of 10 was a down-field pass.

Stafford every 8.5

Brady every 11.3

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

THROWS OF 20-PLUS YARDS IN 2011 (includes playoff games)
(From Pro Football Focus)
AARON RODGERS, Packers (16 games): 129.1 QB rating
33 of 66, 1,264 yards, 14 TD, 1 INT
MATT SCHAUB, Texans (10 games): 125.3
14 of 37, 499 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT
TONY ROMO, Cowboys (16 games): 123.8
32 of 61, 1,166 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT
ALEX SMITH, 49ers (18 games): 111.4
21 of 51, 723 yards, 6 TD, 2 INT
MATTHEW STAFFORD, Lions (17 games): 107.8
34 of 83, 1,187, 12 TD, 4 INT
DREW BREES, Saints (18 games): 107.3
44 of 86, 1,187 yards, 20 TD, 6 INT
ELI MANNING, Giants (20 games): 103.2
49 of 123, 1,675 yards, 15 TD, 7 INT
CAM NEWTON, Panthers (16 games): 92.6
33 of 89, 1,149 yards, 7 TD, 4 INT
PHILIP RIVERS, Chargers (16 games): 91.4
28 of 75 935 yards, 12 TD, 6 INT
TOM BRADY, Patriots (19 games): 87.7
23 of 73, 746 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT
JOE FLACCO, Ravens (18 games): 81.8
25 of 88, 816 yards, 8 TD, 3 INT
BEN ROETHLISBERGER, Steelers (16 games): 77.5
24 of 75, 818 yards, 7 TD, 5 INT
MICHAEL VICK, Eagles (13 games): 77.2
24 of 58, 769 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT
JAY CUTLER, Bears (10 games): 77.0
14 of 37, 425 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
MATTRYAN, Falcons (17 games): 69.3
16 of 63, 518 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT

Alex Smith threw 513 passes that year. So 1 out of 10 was a down-field pass.

Stafford every 8.5

Brady every 11.3

He doesn't care about facts only what PFF tells him.

[Easy 6]

That's a damned interesting stat.

[BigCatDaddy]

THROWS OF 20-PLUS YARDS IN 2011 (includes playoff games)
(From Pro Football Focus)
AARON RODGERS, Packers (16 games): 129.1 QB rating
33 of 66, 1,264 yards, 14 TD, 1 INT
MATT SCHAUB, Texans (10 games): 125.3
14 of 37, 499 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT
TONY ROMO, Cowboys (16 games): 123.8
32 of 61, 1,166 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT
ALEX SMITH, 49ers (18 games): 111.4
21 of 51, 723 yards, 6 TD, 2 INT
MATTHEW STAFFORD, Lions (17 games): 107.8
34 of 83, 1,187, 12 TD, 4 INT
DREW BREES, Saints (18 games): 107.3
44 of 86, 1,187 yards, 20 TD, 6 INT
ELI MANNING, Giants (20 games): 103.2
49 of 123, 1,675 yards, 15 TD, 7 INT
CAM NEWTON, Panthers (16 games): 92.6
33 of 89, 1,149 yards, 7 TD, 4 INT
PHILIP RIVERS, Chargers (16 games): 91.4
28 of 75 935 yards, 12 TD, 6 INT
TOM BRADY, Patriots (19 games): 87.7
23 of 73, 746 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT
JOE FLACCO, Ravens (18 games): 81.8
25 of 88, 816 yards, 8 TD, 3 INT
BEN ROETHLISBERGER, Steelers (16 games): 77.5
24 of 75, 818 yards, 7 TD, 5 INT
MICHAEL VICK, Eagles (13 games): 77.2
24 of 58, 769 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT
JAY CUTLER, Bears (10 games): 77.0
14 of 37, 425 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
MATTRYAN, Falcons (17 games): 69.3
16 of 63, 518 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT

Alex Smith threw 513 passes that year. So 1 out of 10 was a down-field pass.

Stafford every 8.5

Brady every 11.3

Are those passes that traveled 20 yards in the air or passes that include YAC?

[Jakemall]

Are those passes that traveled 20 yards in the air or passes that include YAC?

That one must include yac.

Alex only threw 36 passes 20+ in 2011. His rating was similiar to what you saw there.

Tom Brady threw 47 (Interestingly Brady only had 1 completion over 31)

Stafford threw 63.

[Hammock Parties]

THROWS OF 20-PLUS YARDS IN 2011 (includes playoff games)

Alex Smith threw 513 passes that year. So 1 out of 10 was a down-field pass.


This is true. Alex's percentage of attempts that traveled 20+ yards in the air was 9.7 percent that year.

That ranked 28th in the league.

He also hit 17 of them. That's decent for Alex, since he's on pace for a whopping 12 this year.

Same shit, different year. Dude has no balls to make NFL throws.

http://i.imgur.com/Iv1harO.jpg

Of course this year he is even worse. Literally at the BOTTOM of the league.

Retrieve thy shinebox.

[ViperVisor]

Are those passes that traveled 20 yards in the air or passes that include YAC?

Air.

The issue isn't not enough. After the training wheels offense early in the season defenses are leaning forward to cut into that yardage. Smith has pulled the trigger on single coverage, problem is he has missed the kill-shots.
Connecting on about 1 out of 4. Need to get closer to 50%.

If you are begging for more you are insane as long as Fisher is the RT. Smith taking the a deep drop and waiting 3 seconds for the WR to do a double move is a recipe for disaster.

[Jakemall]

Air.

The issue isn't not enough. After the training wheels offense early in the season defenses are leaning forward to cut into that yardage. Smith has pulled the trigger on single coverage, problem is he has missed the kill-shots.
Connecting on about 1 out of 4. Need to get closer to 50%.

If you are begging for more you are insane as long as Fisher is the RT. Smith taking the a deep drop and waiting 3 seconds for the WR to do a double move is a recipe for disaster.

ESPN disagrees... 36 total attempts of 21+

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2011/alex-smith


Unless there were a whole shit load of exactly 20 yard passes...which I doubt.

Clay's has a different number too..but it says deep passes...don't know how that was defined.

[Saul Good]

This is true. Alex's percentage of attempts that traveled 20+ yards in the air was 9.7 percent that year.

That ranked 28th in the league.

He also hit 17 of them. That's decent for Alex, since he's on pace for a whopping 12 this year.

Same shit, different year. Dude has no balls to make NFL throws.

http://i.imgur.com/Iv1harO.jpg

Of course this year he is even worse. Literally at the BOTTOM of the league.

Retrieve thy shinebox.
Look at all those studs at the top of those rankings. Wow

Cassel, Ponder, Grossman, Tebow, Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, Tarvaris Jackson...a veritable who's who of QBs.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Nobody wanted to comment on those videos the first 5 times you posted them. Stop fucking posting them.

Sweet fuckin-a THIS.


Retrieve thy shinebox.

ROFL :LOL:

[Hammock Parties]

The issue isn't not enough.

Yes it is, even with the increase.

First 4 games: 5 attempts 20+

Last 4 games: 11 attempts 20+

2.75 attempts per game (11/4) is still not enough. Over a full season that works out to 44 attempts, which would have ranked 26th last year.

[ViperVisor]

This is true. Alex's percentage of attempts that traveled 20+ yards in the air was 9.7 percent that year.

That ranked 28th in the league.


The differnce between 8th and 28 was a whopping 4 percentage points.

OMG!

And OMG. Look at the gaggle of CRAPOLA QBs littering the top half of the CHUCK IT list.
You don't see how that CONTEXT makes you foolish?

[Hammock Parties]

Look at all those studs at the top of those rankings. Wow

Cassel, Ponder, Grossman, Tebow, Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, Tarvaris Jackson...a veritable who's who of QBs.

Flip the chart by deep completions and the list gets shinier.

The top 11 QBs on the list are all studs, apart from Freeman and Flacco, who won the fucking SB.

http://i.imgur.com/6ce12jC.jpg

Retrieve thy shinebox.

[Hammock Parties]

The differnce between 8th and 28 was a whopping 4 percentage points.

OMG!

And OMG. Look at the gaggle of CRAPOLA QBs littering the top half of the CHUCK IT list.
You don't see how that CONTEXT makes you foolish?

That's irrelevant.

You cannot be dead last in the NFL in deep attempts and expect to field a playoff offense.

[Hammock Parties]

it got quiet in here

http://studrunningback.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/crickets.gif?w=640

[GOB]

So... your first graph shows he attempts .1% less than Tom Brady and completes 5% more. They should trade that Tom Brady guy

[Hammock Parties]

So... your first graph shows he attempts .1% less than Tom Brady and completes 5% more. They should trade that Tom Brady guy

Brady was near the top of the NFL in deep completions last season, dumbass.

He's also having a shitty 2013, and is still better than Alex.

Please realize this.

[GOB]

Brady was near the top of the NFL in deep completions last season, dumbass.

He's also having a shitty 2013, and is still better than Alex.

Please realize this.

Nice, resorting to namecalling because you are embarassed to show stats that disprove your point. About what I expected from you.

[Hammock Parties]

Nice, resorting to namecalling because you are embarassed to show stats that disprove your point. About what I expected from you.

Nothing disproves my point.

Is Alex Smith near the bottom of the league in deep attempts and completions? Yes.

Was Tom Brady near the top last year? Yes.

He's also near the bottom this year, and is having a shitty year. He is not playing well.

But that's still better than Alex. LMAO

There is no defense for Alex and his fraidy cat ways.

[GOB]

Your point is, I quote: "Dude has no balls to make NFL throws. "

So Tom Brady has no balls?

And as to "no defense", there is clearly one from your graph. Deep passing attempts do not correlate to wins.

Try again.

[Hammock Parties]

And as to "no defense", there is clearly one from your graph. Deep passing attempts do not correlate to wins.


Never said they did.

However, completions...

[Hammock Parties]

Your point is, I quote: "Dude has no balls to make NFL throws. "

So Tom Brady has no balls?


He's having a poor year for sure.

Comparing Alex Smith to Shitty 2013 Tom Brady isn't doing him any favors, dude.

[GOB]

Nice, resorting to namecalling because you are embarassed to show stats that disprove your point. About what I expected from you.

He's having a poor year for sure.

Comparing Alex Smith to Shitty 2013 Tom Brady isn't doing him any favors, dude.

Check your own graph. That's 2011 Tom Brady.

[Hammock Parties]

Check your own graph. That's 2011 Tom Brady.

Yeah, another poor year throwing the ball down the field for him.

And still better than Alex. LMAO

Getting it yet?

[Tribal Warfare]

Yeah, another poor year throwing the ball down the field for him.

And still better than Alex. LMAO

Getting it yet?

Alex fanboys think Alex is a surefire HOFer

[O.city]

Never said they did.

However, completions...

Bullshit

[Hammock Parties]

Bullshit

Top 11 QBs in downfield completions this year:

Geno - 4-4
Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Cutler - 4-3
Roethlisberger - 2-5
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Stafford - 5-3
Rivers - 4-3
Kaepernick - 6-2

Basically, 6 of the best 8 teams in the league right now have guys near the top of the league in completing passes down the field. The exception is Brady and our dear, dear Alex.

Sorry. It is the absolute true.

[O.city]

Top 11 QBs in downfield completions this year:

Geno - 4-4
Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Cutler - 4-3
Roethlisberger - 2-5
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Stafford - 5-3
Rivers - 4-3
Kaepernick - 6-2

Basically, 6 of the best 8 teams in the league right now have guys near the top of the league in completing passes down the field. The exception is Brady and our dear, dear Alex.

Sorry. It is the absolute true.

If it's dire to importance, what's happening with the other teams who's qbs are making this plays?

[Kaepernick]

Don't change my posts, asshole. You're opinion is STUPID. And IGNORANT. And SIMPLISTIC. And CHILDISH. You're a moron, plain and simple.

http://cdn.theblemish.com/images/2013/01/harbaugh-tantrum.gif

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

If it's dire to importance, what's happening with the other teams who's qbs are making this plays?

Roethlisberger and Geno are clearly struggling, but that list right there is a pretty clear indicator. The rest of those teams are winning.

[Kaepernick]

ESPN disagrees... 36 total attempts of 21+

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/year/2011/alex-smith


Unless there were a whole shit load of exactly 20 yard passes...which I doubt.

Clay's has a different number too..but it says deep passes...don't know how that was defined.

NFL deep pass = 15+ yards.

Some organizations like to talk about passes over 20 yards, but the NFL definition of deep pass is 15+ yards. Just look at the play by play of any game.

[l4z4rd]

Top 11 QBs in downfield completions this year:

Geno - 4-4
Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Cutler - 4-3
Roethlisberger - 2-5
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Stafford - 5-3
Rivers - 4-3
Kaepernick - 6-2

Basically, 6 of the best 8 teams in the league right now have guys near the top of the league in completing passes down the field. The exception is Brady and our dear, dear Alex.

Sorry. It is the absolute true.

Dalton and his deep throws sure helped his team tonight.

[GOB]

Yeah, another poor year throwing the ball down the field for him.

And still better than Alex. LMAO

Getting it yet?

"In Week 1 of the 2011 NFL season, Brady threw for 517 yards and 4 touchdowns, with one interception, against the Miami Dolphins, the second time he had thrown for 400 or more yards in a single game.[88][89]

In the regular season finale against the Buffalo Bills, Brady became the fourth quarterback to throw for 5,000 yards in a single season, finishing with 5,235; it surpassed Dan Marino's longstanding record of 5,084 passing yards, but finished the season second behind Drew Brees' 5,476."


If you don't get the implication, you are more stupid than I thought. One of Brady's best passing seasons, a historic season really... and guess what he had one of the league's lowest long yard passing attempts. So long pass attempts, the ORIGINAL metric, you were using to try and crucify Alex clearly has nothing to do with passing success.

And I don't know what else you're smoking but Alex had a 5% better completion rating vs a 0.1% less attempt rating so he was clearly more successful than Brady that year on long yard passing.

This all makes sense if you're being objective, that is, and not trying to promote an agenda.

[Hammock Parties]

You really don't seem to get it.

Consistently, over the last three seasons, Alex is at the bottom of the league for deep attempts and completions.

There is no way to spin that. It is a bad thing.

[AussieChiefsFan]

You really don't seem to get it.

Consistently, over the last three seasons, Alex is at the bottom of the league for deep attempts and completions.

There is no way to spin that. It is a bad thing.Not trying to counter your point. But, he was a couple plays from the Super Bowl with those bad deep passing stats.

[GOB]

You really don't seem to get it.

Consistently, over the last three seasons, Alex is at the bottom of the league for deep attempts and completions.

There is no way to spin that. It is a bad thing.

You don't seem to get it. It is not a bad thing.

If we go by your original metric, Tim Tebow is the #1 quarterback in the league, Tarvaris Jackson is #6 and Tom Brady is #27.

[Hammock Parties]

You don't seem to get it. It is not a bad thing.

If we go by your original metric, Tim Tebow is the #1 quarterback in the league, Tarvaris Jackson is #6 and Tom Brady is #27.

I never said having a high number of attempts by itself was a good thing. You have to hit on a good percentage of them.

Having a low number of attempts, by itself, is a bad thing, though.

There was this bullshit post that was trying to say Alex attempting 10 percent of his passes down the field was good in some way. Haha, no. That's not enough.

[Hammock Parties]

Not trying to counter your point. But, he was a couple plays from the Super Bowl with those bad deep passing stats.

Thank you 49ers defense!

[GOB]

Top 11 QBs in downfield completions this year:

Geno - 4-4
Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Cutler - 4-3
Roethlisberger - 2-5
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Stafford - 5-3
Rivers - 4-3
Kaepernick - 6-2

Basically, 6 of the best 8 teams in the league right now have guys near the top of the league in completing passes down the field. The exception is Brady and our dear, dear Alex.

Sorry. It is the absolute true.

Which basically means your metric of a good QB is meaningless. Unless you think Brady, a guy surefire HOF and guy who is carrying a subpar team this year is a sucky QB.

I like how you change your metric from ATTEMPTS to COMPLETIONS. Put up the top # of long pass attempts this year and we'll see how much your theory holds water.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Thank you 49ers defense!And no thanks to Kyle Williams.

And our D ain't too shabby either.

[GOB]

I never said having a high number of attempts by itself was a good thing. You have to hit on a good percentage of them.

Having a low number of attempts, by itself, is a bad thing, though.

There was this bullshit post that was trying to say Alex attempting 10 percent of his passes down the field was good in some way. Haha, no. That's not enough.

"This is true. Alex's percentage of attempts that traveled 20+ yards in the air was 9.7 percent that year.

That ranked 28th in the league.

He also hit 17 of them. That's decent for Alex, since he's on pace for a whopping 12 this year.

Same shit, different year. Dude has no balls to make NFL throws. "

That's not you?

so what are you complaining about here? His accuracy on long yard attempts?

[Hammock Parties]

I'm complaining about the fact that he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I mean I could live with it if he was average or something. But doing it less than anyone else in the entire league...god damn, son.

[AussieChiefsFan]

I'm complaining about the fact that he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I mean I could live with it if he was average or something. But doing it less than anyone else in the entire league...god damn, son.To me, it's not so much that he does't throw deep very much. It's that (recently anyway) he's been missing horrible on many of the deep passing he has been attempting.

[GOB]

I'm complaining about the fact that he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I mean I could live with it if he was average or something. But doing it less than anyone else in the entire league...god damn, son.

And my answer to you is you are overrating the deep ball. If you complain about Smith not throwing it down the field, you should complain about BRADY NOT THROWING THE DEEP BALL DURING A HISTORIC 5000+ YARD PASSING SEASON.

I'm not saying Smith is the best QB in the world and you can dislike but dislike him for the right reasons instead of manufacturing ones that don't make sense. Like putting up a chart showing him as #28 on long pass attempts which also shows Tebow at #1.

C'mon.

[Hammock Parties]

In Brady's case, he gets a pass.

Because um...5,000 fucking yards.

Alex can't do that.

[Hammock Parties]

The Tebow thing is a bit deceptive, BTW. He passed so infrequently that of course his percentage of deep attempts was higher.

Other quarterbacks don't really matter, though. When you are Alex...and you don't throw TDs and you don't throw for a lot of yards and you suck on third down, too....not pushing the ball, and in fact pushing it down the field less than anyone fucking else...IS BAD.

[Mav]

8-0 and yet the same broken record eh Clay?

Not even to mention, well I guess I am mentioning that it took exactly 8 weeks for Alex Smith and his no deep ball throwing self to beat your weak prediction of 7 wins.

Here you go, just beating the drum.

And you claim I HIJACK threads. You are a broken fucking record for threads.

Copy paste, rinse repeat.

You would save yourself a shit load of time.

[JF08]

THROW IT DEEP, ALEX. 999

[GOB]

In Brady's case, he gets a pass.

Because um...5,000 ****ing yards.

Alex can't do that.

Only 4 the quarterbacks in the history of the league could.

1 of them attempted long passes with the same frequency as Alex Smith.

I know it's taking you a while but let that sink in so you can realize deep bomb attempts don't mean anything when it comes to wins.

So it's back to the drawing board for you for ways to criticize Smith.

[Hammock Parties]

deep bomb attempts don't mean anything when it comes to wins.
.

This year the leaders in deep completions are leading the best teams.

[GOB]

This year the leaders in deep completions are leading the best teams.

Ben Roethilsberger does not lead one of the NFL's best teams.
Geno Smith does not lead one of the NFL's best teams
Jay Cutler does not lead one of the NFL's best teams.
Philip Rivers does not lead one of the NFL's best teams.
Matthew Stafford does not lead one of the Nfl's best teams.

Basically 6/11 leaders with deep completions are on the best teams. 4/11 are on mediocre ones. 1/11 is one of the league's worst.

So, no, the leaders in deep completions are not leading the best teams.

[Hammock Parties]

6 of the top 8 teams have passers among the leaders in deep completions.

Keep spinning.

[Hammock Parties]

Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Kaepernick - 6-2

Those are the teams with the best records this year.

Coincidence that all those guys are among the leaders in deep passing?

Dumbass.

[Sandy Vagina]

8-0 and yet the same broken record eh Clay?


Copy paste, rinse repeat.

You would save yourself a shit load of time.

OMGzzz.. ****ing right! This is seriously like watching a mentally ill person pacing up and down the hallway and muttering gibberish to himself.

You have the signature space, Clay... just put "Alex sucks, can't throw deep" in there, and you will never need to post again.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/you-are-a-loser-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/emoticons.html)

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Just a note - while so many are bantering for this deep ball gunslinger QB, you saw Dalton last night, who was red hot this month (AFC OPotM) and he again proved that guys like him can win AND lose your team games. Say what you will but Alex has yet to lose us a game. He didn't in SF either. However, he did win one for them in January...

[BigCatDaddy]

Just a note - while so many are bantering for this deep ball gunslinger QB, you saw Dalton last night, who was red hot this month (AFC OPotM) and he again proved that guys like him can win AND lose your team games. Say what you will but Alex has yet to lose us a game. He didn't in SF either.<b> However, he did win one for them in January</b>...

Flacco won 4 last year. Next!

[ILChief]

6 of the top 8 teams have passers among the leaders in deep completions.

Keep spinning.

1 of the top 1 teams does not

[ILChief]

I bet clay loved Jeff george

[Mav]

This year the leaders in deep completions are leading the best teams.
REALLY? So alex smith who is leading the BEST team leads in deep completions? SWWWEEEEET
6 of the top 8 teams have passers among the leaders in deep completions.

Keep spinning.
Wait. hold up, you said that the LEADERS, now its 6 of 8? You are confusing me dude. make up which side you want to be on.

Just thought you might want me to help this out.

ALEX SMITH 8-0


Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2- incorrect. The idiot got sacked for a safety to lose the game last night. 6-3 bucko.
Rodgers - 5-2
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Kaepernick - 6-2

Those are the teams with the best records this year.

Coincidence that all those guys are among the leaders in deep passing?

Dumbass.
Well, not necessarily a coincidence. Usually the best qbs tend to have the best talent around them.

You know, Welker, Demariyus, Decker, Julius Thomas,

Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Boykin, Randall Cobb

Kenny stills, Marques Colston, Darren sproles, some dude named Jimmy Graham

Vernon Davis, Anquan Boldin, Kyle Williams.

Aj Green Eifert, Gresham, Sanu, Marvin Jones.

Then there is this group of FANTASTIC DEEP THREATS.

Anthony Fasano, Donnie Avery, Dwayne Bowe, Midget McCluster.

Are you starting to see the DIFFERENCE here?

Flacco won 4 last year. Next!

Yeah, and without Pitta, and Boldin, how is that going for them this year?

Joe Flacco is a franchise qb. His performance in the playoffs showed everyone. He is elite. Why are his numbers no where near what they were?

Boldin was worth getting rid of for a measly 6th round pick.

Pitta wasn't known as a super star tight end.

Why is Joe struggling?

Why is tom brady struggling. Tom Brady is the end all be all.

???? Great qbs, carry franchises.

[Mav]

I bet clay loved Jeff george

Not as much as he loves Choke Romo.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

How many days can you fight over the same crap?

[NinerDoug]

How many days can you fight over the same crap?

If it follows the same pattern as the Niners debate, if Alex does well in the playoffs, the fight will be reduced from boiling to a low simmer next season.

[BigCatDaddy]

If it follows the same pattern as the Niners debate, if Alex does well in the playoffs, the fight will be reduced from boiling to a low simmer next season.

What happens if Alice throws for 150yards 0td 0 int's and we lose?

[Rausch]

What happens if Alice throws for 150yards 0td 0 int's and we lose?

What are the odds he doesn't?...

[JF08]

What happens if Alice throws for 150yards 0td 0 int's and we lose?

How many drops did we have? Fumbles? Did the defense play well?

[ptlyon]

How many drops did we have? Fumbles? Did the defense play well?

More importantly, how many wings did Reid eat?

[ChiefsCountry]

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[BigCatDaddy]

What are the odds he doesn't?...

I have no idea. I'm just trying to get a feel of what to expect if he does one of those doesn't win or lose the game type of things. Is it a boil or simmer?

[BigCatDaddy]

How many drops did we have? Fumbles? Did the defense play well?

Avg drops. Let's say we lose 14-13 as Succup misses a 48 yard game winner.

[Rausch]

I have no idea. I'm just trying to get a feel of what to expect if he does one of those doesn't win or lose the game type of things. Is it a boil or simmer?

If 2003 was a 9 I'd say this should be a 4.

This isn't years into a rebuild: this is year one after our only 2-14 season...

[JF08]

I was just doing some analysis of the top teams, and I found out that there is a strong correlation between having a good record and the starting QB fumbling:

Manning (7-1) - 4 fumbles lost
Luck (5-2) - 1 fumble lost
Wilson (7-1) - 5 fumbles lost
Brees (6-1) - 0 fumbles lost
Kaepernick (6-2) - 4 fumbles lost
Dalton (6-3) - 2 fumbles lost
Stafford (5-3) - 2 fumbles lost


As you can see, 6 of the 7 top teams have QB's who lead the league in fumbles lost. Manning (4) has the 2nd most to Wilson (5), who are both top notch QB's on arguably the two best teams in the league. Where does Alex Smith rank, you might ask? He's DEAD LAST. ZERO fumbles lost.

How the f*ck are we supposed to win games if our QB isn't fumbling more?? OBVIOUSLY lost fumbles corresponds with winning football games! Come on Alex, just drop a ball or two a game and then the offense will really take off!

[NinerDoug]

What happens if Alice throws for 150yards 0td 0 int's and we lose?

Then I imagine that the pot will boil over. (But he has shown a fair amount of "clutchness" in the past. I don't really see much chance of that happening.)

[Marcellus]

I was just doing some analysis of the top teams, and I found out that there is a strong correlation between having a good record and the starting QB fumbling:

Manning (7-1) - 4 fumbles lost
Luck (5-2) - 1 fumble lost
Wilson (7-1) - 5 fumbles lost
Brees (6-1) - 0 fumbles lost
Kaepernick (6-2) - 4 fumbles lost
Dalton (6-3) - 2 fumbles lost
Stafford (5-3) - 2 fumbles lost


As you can see, 6 of the 7 top teams have QB's who lead the league in fumbles lost. Manning (4) has the 2nd most to Wilson (5), who are both top notch QB's on arguably the two best teams in the league. Where does Alex Smith rank, you might ask? He's DEAD LAST. ZERO fumbles lost.

How the **** are we supposed to win games if our QB isn't fumbling more?? OBVIOUSLY lost fumbles corresponds with winning football games! Come on Alex, just drop a ball or two a game and then the offense will really take off!

LMAO Not bad for a n00b.

[Sandy Vagina]

I was just doing some analysis of the top teams, and I found out that there is a strong correlation between having a good record and the starting QB fumbling:

Manning (7-1) - 4 fumbles lost
Luck (5-2) - 1 fumble lost
Wilson (7-1) - 5 fumbles lost
Brees (6-1) - 0 fumbles lost
Kaepernick (6-2) - 4 fumbles lost
Dalton (6-3) - 2 fumbles lost
Stafford (5-3) - 2 fumbles lost


As you can see, 6 of the 7 top teams have QB's who lead the league in fumbles lost. Manning (4) has the 2nd most to Wilson (5), who are both top notch QB's on arguably the two best teams in the league. Where does Alex Smith rank, you might ask? He's DEAD LAST. ZERO fumbles lost.

How the **** are we supposed to win games if our QB isn't fumbling more?? OBVIOUSLY lost fumbles corresponds with winning football games! Come on Alex, just drop a ball or two a game and then the offense will really take off!

Good looking out. I was wondering about QB fumble totals, as I watch some of these QBs fumbling quite a bit. Aside from the low INTs for Alex, the fumbles he hasn't given up are also very advantageous.

... and just throwing it out there, KC is still top 10 in most team drops... and still bottom 10 in OL pass protection... and still #1 in most offensive penalties.

[Nightfyre]

I was just doing some analysis of the top teams, and I found out that there is a strong correlation between having a good record and the starting QB fumbling:

Manning (7-1) - 4 fumbles lost
Luck (5-2) - 1 fumble lost
Wilson (7-1) - 5 fumbles lost
Brees (6-1) - 0 fumbles lost
Kaepernick (6-2) - 4 fumbles lost
Dalton (6-3) - 2 fumbles lost
Stafford (5-3) - 2 fumbles lost


As you can see, 6 of the 7 top teams have QB's who lead the league in fumbles lost. Manning (4) has the 2nd most to Wilson (5), who are both top notch QB's on arguably the two best teams in the league. Where does Alex Smith rank, you might ask? He's DEAD LAST. ZERO fumbles lost.

How the **** are we supposed to win games if our QB isn't fumbling more?? OBVIOUSLY lost fumbles corresponds with winning football games! Come on Alex, just drop a ball or two a game and then the offense will really take off!
I am not really seeing the "strong correlation" you are seeing here.

[ChiefsCountry]

I am not really seeing the "strong correlation" you are seeing here.

Its like when BlackBob tried telling everybody that a first round cornerback was needed for a Super Bowl.

[Bearcat]

I was just doing some analysis of the top teams, and I found out that there is a strong correlation between having a good record and the starting QB fumbling:

Manning (7-1) - 4 fumbles lost
Luck (5-2) - 1 fumble lost
Wilson (7-1) - 5 fumbles lost
Brees (6-1) - 0 fumbles lost
Kaepernick (6-2) - 4 fumbles lost
Dalton (6-3) - 2 fumbles lost
Stafford (5-3) - 2 fumbles lost


As you can see, 6 of the 7 top teams have QB's who lead the league in fumbles lost. Manning (4) has the 2nd most to Wilson (5), who are both top notch QB's on arguably the two best teams in the league. Where does Alex Smith rank, you might ask? He's DEAD LAST. ZERO fumbles lost.

How the **** are we supposed to win games if our QB isn't fumbling more?? OBVIOUSLY lost fumbles corresponds with winning football games! Come on Alex, just drop a ball or two a game and then the offense will really take off!

I guess the whole risk/reward thing is just completely lost on some.... part of the reason they're so good is they take risks, whether it's throwing the ball into coverage or taking deep chances, holding onto the ball until the last possible moment or just a second longer, etc.

So, in that sense, Smith is the perfect quarterback for this franchise.

[Marcellus]

LMAO some of you are hilariously clueless.

He wasn't trying to make an actual correlation between fumbling and winning he was showing how you can use stats to "attempt" to prove any point including a negative one like fumbling.

The point is statistics can be cherry picked and manipulated.

[Bearcat]

Well, yeah...

[Marcellus]

Well, yeah...

We all want Smith to throw down field more and with more accuracy. Its not like we are on different pages here.

That being said he doesn't need to be top 5 in the league in that category to win.

He has thrown the ball 80 more times than Russel and almost 100 more than Kap, and he is doing it in an offense that features the short passing game.

His YPC is never going to be great.

[Hammock Parties]

His YPC is never going to be great.

Neither will our offense...

[Marcellus]

Neither will our offense...

We don't need a great offense. We need a decent one.

Clay you want to move back to 2003 land don't ya?

[Hammock Parties]

We don't need a great offense. We need a decent one.


Wish in one hand and shit in the other...

[Nightfyre]

LMAO some of you are hilariously clueless.

He wasn't trying to make an actual correlation between fumbling and winning he was showing how you can use stats to "attempt" to prove any point including a negative one like fumbling.

The point is statistics can be cherry picked and manipulated.

I understand what point he was trying to make. I am just pointing out that it was a really shitty attempt.

[Bearcat]

We all want Smith to throw down field more and with more accuracy. Its not like we are on different pages here.

That being said he doesn't need to be top 5 in the league in that category to win.

He has thrown the ball 80 more times than Russel and almost 100 more than Kap, and he is doing it in an offense that features the short passing game.

His YPC is never going to be great.

The 2nd half of the Giants game had me thinking there was something to all of the "he needs time in a new system blah blah"... haven't watched much the past couple of weeks, but not sure why it hasn't continued to improve, outside of playing against the Titans' and Texans' top 10 pass defense. Unless the defense is spectacular (which I'm certainly not ruling out), we'll see what he can do when his only option is to be more aggressive.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We all want Smith to throw down field more and with more accuracy. Its not like we are on different pages here.



LMAO

Yeah, at this point I'll happily settle for "made a play", or "converted a third".

I know, I know; I ASK FOR TOO MUCH!

[MeatRock]

LMAO

Yeah, at this point I'll happily settle for "made a play", or "converted a third".

I know, I know; I ASK FOR TOO MUCH!

:rolleyes:

[Marcellus]

NFL Live on ESPN just put up this graphic.

Teams with the most pass attempts of 10 yards or less in order -

1. Lions 233
2.Broncos 229
3.Bengals 226
4.Browns 225
5.Chiefs 221

LMAO yea Clay you gots to chuck it to win in this league.

Another example of your cluelessness.